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SUSE 9.1 FTP Version Available
twener writes "The SUSE 9.1 FTP version is now available on SUSE's ftp mirrors for free installation via FTP/HTTP (installation instruction). It's almost identical to SUSE 9.1 Professional except some few packages which are missing due to licence reasons. Also don't miss "SUSE 9.1: The Complete Review" recently published by DesktopOS.com."
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Karma: Terrible - and proud of it!
Why don't you install Gentoo instead?
*sigh* I want my ISOs
Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!
Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?
With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!
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for my bumhole
FTP or not, it's still the worst of all distros.
While they might give the appearance of software freedom, in actuality, their lack of ISO's makes the system completely unusable for anyone who is unwilling to pay for their proprietary installation (Yast2, I believe).
The tying of proprietary software to free software is a bastardization of the concept of a free software ecosystem. The two types of software simply cannot co-exist.
Even though Suse floats with the cream of the crop when it comes to Linux distributions, it is clearly the scum from the bottom of the bucket that somehow rose up along with that cream (RedHat).
Ye Olde
so is it Suse, silent 'e'? Or SusEE or SusAY? or what??
And now slashdot goes and makes it a frontpage-article....
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
11 comments so far and desktopos.com is /.ed...
bueller
bueller
bueller...?
Anyone knows of some good public rsync mirrors allready offering SuSE-9.1?
.. I just laugh so hard that it hurts.
That would explain why last week i downloaded their FTP install boot disk and was unable to get it to work.
In the meantime I've installed Slackware instead...and much more atisfied with that then I was with SuSE 8.2.
My experience so far has been that RPM-based distros like SuSE and Red Hat that attempt to simplify dependency problems with propreitary upgrade tools inevitably just end up causing me much more frustration. SuSE had NO provision for getting software other than what was in the version I'd installed(8.2) and wouldn't even install apt4rpm due to dependency hell. I've found installing and upgrading new software in Slackware a 1000x simpler than any RPM.
I will attest to Yast being a nice tool, that was easy to use, and did a pretty good job of detecting my hardware. But the complications in upgrading individual packages in a registered copy of their distro proved too frustrating to justify sticking with it.
I would only reccomend SuSE to a newbie who has no desire for messing around with things once its installed, and just wants it to work reasonably well from the beginning.
once you go slack, you never go back
kode, not free (as in speech), at any price? yet another kode bullowned, alert?
from a post meant to be titled:
unprecedented evile nearly disempowered, forever?
(score: mynuts won:-) previously PostBlocked(tm) material reposted)
by a disorganized rag-tag team of a few billion near nobodys, using what was available to them, which was almost nothing?
& just who are some of unprecedented evile's local representative(s)?:
The contract was awarded to Accenture, formerly Andersen Consulting, over two competing contractors, Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences (a veritas (cess)pool of evile stock markp FraUDsters). Several industry executives and analysts said that the award surprised them and that Accenture had widely been considered the outside candidate.
The award also brought controversy. Accenture is incorporated in Bermuda, and some critics attacked the idea of awarding a contract so valuable and important to national security to a company with its headquarters outside the United States.
After Accenture was named, Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat, suggested the company took advantage of an uneven playing field to win the contract over Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences.
"If companies truly want to contribute to our nation's security, they can pay their fair share of taxes. If they want a slice of the American pie, they had better help bake it," he said in a statement.
A spokesman for Accenture said that the company paid United States taxes.
Representative Richard E. Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat and a senior member of the House Ways and Means Committee, also questioned the award.
"This decision is outrageous," he said, in a statement. "The Bush administration has awarded the largest homeland security contract in history to a company that has given up its U.S. citizenship and moved to Bermuda. The inconsistency is breathtaking."
the stock markup FraUD/softwar gangster payper liesense hostage grab 'business plan' is looking a little hapless now?
fauxking billyonerrors. sheesh.
lookout bullow. tell 'em robbIE?
all is not lost.
consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... the returns are immeasurable/infinite.
see you there?
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you go suse. we use/like your stuff. thank you.
This also applies to version 9.1.
Here is a Google mirror cache
41 comments and desktopos.com is no longer existent. Not even a 404 page... domain not found.
did anyone even check the links?
I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to purchase the full media. For ~$90, The documentation alone is worth that. It's a bargain in itself, plus the satisfaction of supporting the community.
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
Tip! Get the IP address of the ftp server before attempting the install! DNS isn't picked up on the SuSE boot/install CD.
Omnis amans amens
"I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to..."
That sounds like an intention to plan to act.
In a free country you can certainly do that, but why mention it here?
Why not just act?
I tried to install SUSE when 9.0 came out and gave up when it wasn't done installing after 4 hours. I might have liked it who knows? I'll stick with slackware thanks.
GETPKG - Package Management for Slackware
display still wont work my my compaq m700 laptop...
mandrake does....
ThiS mistake or
First off, let me say that I quite simply love SuSE, it's my favorite distribution. Furthermore, I use the packaged version, not the FTP version.
/home on its own partition, so a fresh reinstall are a piece of cake without touching my actual data.
/boot/grub/menu.lst and added acpi=off - then I edited /etc/powersave.conf and enabled user-suspend or whatever it was called. Worked like a charm.
However, my first experience with 9.1 was not impressive. I tried to update my laptop, instead of reinstalling. The result was far from good.
- The touchpad stopped working
- Sound stopped working
- Outdated daemons still started, and prevented other daemons from starting afterwards (acpid started instead of powersaved, among other things).
- And loads of general badness.
In short, it quite simply sucked.
I suspected this was do to flaky update mechanisms, which also turned out the be correct. As a good user, I have
The reinstall worked flawlessly. Most things was installed the right way, and worked as it should at once. With one exception.
That xception was that acpi was loaded instead of apm - and acpi is buggy on my laptop. I edited
In other words, I think the 'update' routine sucks, while 'install' works like a charm.
"Rune Kristian Viken" - http://www.nwo.no - arca
... you Anonymous Logic-Impaired moron.
... and no, MSDN & Office "updates" don't count ...
... That is no bloat.
All those other CD's are extra CD's containing tons of free software that you can use on your newly installed Linux system.
When was the last time you got 9gigs worth of free software with your operating system? No, don't answer that, I don't want to know
I've got a Linux setup that is only 1.4 megs worth of Linux, kernel, apps and libs. Everything beyond that is add-ons
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
I read this as them having a new ftp client, available on their ftp server. That would be ironic.
/^([Ss]ame [Bb]at (time, |channel.)){2}$/
I work for the Fulton school of engineering at Arizona State University. There are several hundred Linux systems here, and I support almost all of them in one way or another. I've had people try to tell me that we should be using Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, and even FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Sometimes this advice is based upon some genuine technical reason but all too often it is based upon ideology, especially where Debian is concerned. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to use a distro just because it follows the FSF/GNU flavor of political correctness. The day the unix world chooses ideology over technology is the day we are doomed.
The distributions we encourage our customers to use are Redhat/Fedora because this distro family is easy to support. Those other distros may or may not have real (technical) advantages over Redhat, but none of them scale as well as Redhat does. SuSE may scale equally well but due to Redhat's popularity we simply haven't had much call to try and work on SuSE systems. If Fedora proves to be unstable we may switch to SuSE, especially if it becomes more popular than Fedora.
The reason why we push Redhat/Fedora and not some other distro is because we don't want to have to install packages by hand or compile stuff from source all the time. Hand installs and compiles are great when you've got one system to support, but that just doesn't work when you're trying to support several hundred systems.
We have to look at what is the best solution for ALL of the systems at the same time, not just what solution would work best for one particular system.
Lee
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
Disgusting gay porn link!
SOO-suh
As pictured here and detailed here.Using apt4rpm I just completed a dist-upgrade. I have had a few major problems:
My overall impression of the distro so far is that it's suse 9.0, but slightly better.
This is your sig. There are thousands more, but this one is yours.
Bah, all I want is the installer kernel to be able to grok my SATA RAID set, without having to resort to custom boot disks, or God forbid, using Debian or Gentoo. When will a mainstream, it-just-works distro support these disk controllers?
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I like.
Boot time is a little bit slower than 8.2, but that's probably because I haven't gone through at disabled all the unneeded services yet.
There was an extremely minor irritation with X not recognizing my monitor geometry, so that I got an annoying popup every time KDE started up. Still looked fine. Anyway, I set the physical dimensions in SaX, and now I'm cruising. I didn't bother to figure out whether it's a Suse problem or a KDE problem.
The only MAJOR annoyance is the way GNOME apps look in KDE. Suse has made Liquid the default theme across both desktops, and I hate the way Liquid looks. I much prefer the old GTK default style. Certain widgets still have that oversized, OSX-y 3D look that I find extremely annoying.
Anybody know how to get Gnome apps to use the correct theme when running in KDE?
hang brain.
sorry, but...
1. the word for 'sweet' is 'süß', female form 'süße', which is probably the form you're talking about. You pronounce it z-ü-s-e, and the umlaut ü is somewhere in between u and e. In SuSE, however, you have an 'u', so this pronounced like ooh. Very different indeed.
2. The letter ß translates to an unvoiced S, which is different from the two voiced S in the pronounciation of SuSE.
I would pronounce SuSE like this:
z-ooh-z-a
(with stress on first syllable and the a at the end being a very short "schwa".)
Ordered my copy on Cd's a month ago, and still have received nothing. Apparently packaging that much software is more than their organization can handle on a physical medium. Anyone else po'd that it's taking so long to receive their orders????
Brian Seppanen
Minister of Information and Propaganda
Area 54 The Secret Government Disco Labs Provo
I switched to SuSE 9.0 when RedHat anounced the end of their desktop products as we'd all come to know them, and it instantly became my favorite distribution. YaST is awesome and performance was good.
So I was excited to try 9.1. I borrowed the full 9.1 Pro CD set from someone at work to try. I installed it on a couple of Pentium 4 machines with Nvidia cards. While installtion was flawless on both, the performance was terrible. X takes forever to start, KDE takes a long time to initialize, and forget starting YaST - I can go for coffe while it loads. Even installing and running Unreal Tournament 2004 was painful because of some changes SuSE made to the way they mount removable media. Starting UT2004 is slow too. Since I dual boot, slow startup times are an issue.
Before anyone says the obvious, yes - DMA is enabled and one of the systems is using fast U160 SCSI drives so there's just no excuse for the poor performance.
Since Mandrake 10.0 is available for download, I tried installing it. I was hesitant, but it installed flawlessly on my system with the SCSI drives. I'm spoiled and used to the bazillion applications that SuSE installs, but no biggie.
Mandrake 10 performance is what I expect from a P4 system : fast, responsive, snappy.
No offense to the SuSE team intended, but they need to get their act together a little better. There's just no excuse for the poor performance of SuSE in my opinion - and yes, I have just as many services running in Mandrake as SuSE.
I'll keep using Mandrake for now and try SuSE again when 9.2 comes out.
I'm sure glad I didn't pay for 9.1, I would have been really p*ssed.
I've been trying to nab the goods from the FTP mirror sites since yesterday. They all disconnect me after getting from 100-200MB worth of files. I wonder if all the mirror sites are imposing some kind of per-session quota. For me the Oregon State mirror is the fastest, averaging about 1.6Mbps, but I keep having to restart my FTP client after figuring out what was the last file partially downloaded before the session got killed, and restarting the d/l list from that file onwards.
Anyone have a torrent for this?
(for the few who don't know, the more people downloading something via bittorrent, the faster everyone's download occurs, as it's distributed downloading, unlike ftp... which hammers the servers)
- Preferences: Solaris 10 (servers), Ubuntu (desktops), Solaris 11 (personal servers) -
I've been using various Linux distros since 1995 and I've never encountered such a buggy release!
Most of it could be blamed on KDE 3.2.1 but that IS the most common Suse window manager. Between not being able to log out without locking up the X-Server (and no, cntl+alt BS doesn't recover a console so you have to reset or log in remotely) and the DHCP client refusing to allow KDE to load I think I've effectively demonstrated why we wouldn't want to use Linux at my company. I've been trying to get management to give it a try for years and now, this one experience, will effectively negate my efforts.
I know that not using KDE or installing a later, less buggy, release is simple. But the suites don't and the fact that an install that should take 1/2 day took 3 days is all they see. What the hell happened at Suse? I've never had this kind of trouble with an install.
I'm currently a SuSE user and am looking at upgrading. I could get the upgrade version for 9.1 but there is a convenience factor for reinstalls for the full version. Anyone know if I can use the full version for upgrades? (SusE web site isn't clear on the matter)
I have an onboard intel 810 AC97 sound card. Installed SuSE 9.1 via ISO. I started with a basic install, and everything worked fine with sound. Then I went to install the rest of the packages on the 5 CD's. After this... Sound was gone. The funny thing is that the sound card is still detected and it's module is loaded. Also, the mixer works, because I can turn up the microphone and get feedback. But NO SOUND other than that.
I spent hours trying to probe sound modules, reconfigure ALSA, reload my sound card drivers, etc. to no avail.
Like a confused windows user, my last resort was to re-install the opperating system. I did so, and it worked fine, until I installed the rest of the available packages. Then: Silence.
I'm about to shit-can SuSE because of this. It's unfortunate that this OS isn't ready for your average Joe Blow computer user because of critical problems like these.
-Henry
To blog is sublime
I have SuSE 9.1. Yes, many packages are out there on the distro disks that I use but I have upgraded many just by using YaST to remove the SuSE package and then installed the updated package. No big deal. It is just as easy as doing an uninstall/install package in Whinedo$e. The process is just as easy as you want to make it. I can think of worse things that this...fixing a messed-up registry.
Where the hell's the GUI for changing your wireless settings? Even Fedora has that. I changed it the old fashioned way through conf files and iwconfig but after all of this hype and paying my money for it, I'm a little surprised about this lacking tool.
This guy is way out there
The sound failure is due to the kdemultimedia mixer app. So when you install "all KDE" you break the sound.
Suse have posted a fix on their support page ( search under sound). I'd say its a bit of a poor show, but otherwise it seems OK.
Its poor form that they havent fixed this yet in the updates!
Setanta
"I see lots of Pengins, is that good?" "Thats good Dad, click yes."
I was looking around the SUSE site and they still give a lot of updates for prior versions. Has SUSE resisted the rapid "End-of-Life" schema that RedHat took on with the public distrobutions of RedHat?
You can set up local repositories, install from packages (emerge --usepkg), etc.
FreeBSD is similar..binary updates available.
The reason WE stick with Red Hat is because of a few Red Hat fanboys that are just scared shitless of doing anything the non-Red Hat way, and because of vendor support (although that is seriously lacking these days too...damn you Dell)
We're better off going with Apple or Sun.
Why?
Red Hat happily passed the buck to Dell, who promply passed it back to Red Hat. The issue? Dual Xeon PowerEdge 2650s randomly locking up under heavy load, and/or only seeing one processor. Both Red Hat & Dell have been bouncing it back & forth between each other, and have not provided us with a solution.
This particular issue doesn't occur under Gentoo on the same hardware.
Having someone to call might make management happy, but the end result has still been the same.
We may choose SuSE now that Novell is standing behind them. Novell and IBM, actually. That says quite a lot, and we've had excellent support from IBM.
Why, when I performed an online update, did the progress bar stop at 98% when the "update complete" message appeared?
Why does it permit a two-letter root password, but insist user passwords be at least five characters?
Why does SuSE want to include Nokia phone interface software as part of a basic installation? Why does it refuse to install KDE unless I agree to have modem diallers (I have no modem), CUPS (I have no printer), and DOS file system drivers (um, hello?)?!
This is the future? Let me off, I'm going back to Slackware...
It seems 9.1 needs to go back in the oven for a few more minutes. It's basically 9.0 with problems. This is revealed upon further inspecting the 9.1 box and finding the product slogan : "It may be buggy as Hell, but DAMN if we don't support the 2% of the Linux user-base who use AMD64_x86"
As always, YMMV.
"You and your third dimension."
just installed it.
xfs system makes it hang when SuSE tries to mount it for install.
After switching to reiserfs, I had to compile the kernel myself because the installer failed to install it for me.
I'm not impressed.
Bah, all I want is the installer kernel to be able to grok my SATA RAID set, without having to resort to custom boot disks, or God forbid, using Debian or Gentoo. When will a mainstream, it-just-works distro support these disk controllers?
Linux block device support depends on which particular SATA chipset you have -- you didn't identify yours -- and on what version of installation kernel the Linux distribution uses.
Why? Because some some chipsets (3Ware 8xxx, Adaptec AAR 24x0, LSI Logic MegaRAID SATA 150-4/150-6) work just fine using drivers developed for their PATA predecessor chipsets, some chipsets require either a 2.6.x kernel or a very recent 2.4.x one, a few chipsets (such as HP SA5xxx) require some vintage of 2.6.x kernel, and some very new ones (e.g., Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SX6081, 88SX6041, and 88SX5080) don't yet have drivers.
And then there's the matter of your "RAID set": You might be referring to some SATA RAID card manufacturer's proprietary software RAID, e.g., Promise, Highpoint, VIA), which is going to (1) be basically terrible, and (2) require some god-awful proprietary, binary-only driver, which I doubt you're going to find without resorting to the "custom boot disks" you speak of. Much smarter (unless you're tied to such hideous fakeraid solutions by a need to dual-boot MS-Windows) would be blow away the array and use Linux's "md" software RAID support, which is faster, is more robust, and won't require you to buy the same host adapter a second time if the first one dies, or lose all your data.
If your "SATA RAID set" happens to be on a Silicon Image 311x host adapter, then you're (potentially) in luck, because Thomas Horsten figured out the "Medley" software RAID format and wrote a "medley" subdriver for the ataraid mid-level driver, which is available in kernel 2.4.26 and later.
I cover all of these matters on a Web page where I try to track Linux SATA support as it develops. See "Serial ATA" in my knowledgebase's hardware category.
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
Hi, I recently bought an AMD64 processor and am looking around for a distribution to use. So far, I've actually installed FC2 x86-64 and am looking at Mandrake 10.0 (we use 9.2 i586 at work and I use 9.2 at home already). FC2 is reasonably stable but I've had a few lockup issues, I think I have them solved but I will switch to Mandrake 10.0 if possible (assuming that it is reasonably like 9.2). I haven't heard anything from the SUSE folks about AMD64 support so what's it like?
RedHat anounced the end of their desktop products as we'd all come to know them
Red Hat never did that. They've always had a desktop product - after Red Hat 9, there was EL3 Workstation (if you paid for support before, you can continue now) and Fedora Core 1 (if you prefer to support things yourself, that's fine too).
I just installed it, and it is the buggiest Linux release I have used in a long, long time. I love the features, like automatic spell-checking as I type this in Konqueror, cool eye-candy stuff in KDE, Linux 2.6.4, etc, etc, but it is truly full of bugs. YaST doesn't start up the user admin module. I created a user using adduser, and that user can't log in because of some IPC bug. During installation, I installed it in just the plain old way and it gave error messages. This is truly beta-test software; it should never have made it through the release processes. I would have rather waited a couple more months for something that isn't full of bugs. I think I'm going to have to re-install it now just to figure out how to get basic stuff like adding users to work. It's a mess.
So, then, is "software" auf Deutsch pronounced "zoft-var-eh"?
"Provided by the management for your protection."
The issue with installing UT2004 on SuSE 9.1 has to do with their use of "submount". Do a Google Groups search and you'll find the workaround.
n t& ; hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=42ab0e9d.0405070620.2ee966 01%40posting.google.com&rnum=2
/etc/fstab and when the system rebooted I copied the installer to my home directory and ran it from there and it had no problems getting the files from the UT-2004 DVD.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ut2004+submou
What I did was change the way my DVD-ROM drive was listed in
But I've since decided to switch to Mandrake. In Mandrake I just double-clicked the installer icon in Konqueror, entered my CD key and drank a cup of coffee. I'll miss YaST, but so far Mandrake 10 is doing everything I want, a lot faster than SuSE.
Thanks for your advice!
:(
After much searching on suse's support site... I found: NOTHING! But as you recommended I removed the kdemultimedia mixer. Then deleted my sond device, added it again, rebooted, then sound worked! hip hip, horay!
Unfortunately, this sucks major donkey balls. What an absolutely horrible ordeal I went through to get this problem fixed. And to think: I had to ASK SLASHDOT to find the real solution.
No, Linux is not ready for average users yet. At least not SuSE linux. It's got a LONG way to go.
To blog is sublime