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Dvorak On The Future Of The Xbox

Thanks to PC Magazine for its John Dvorak-authored editorial discussing his view of the present and future for Microsoft's Xbox game console. Dvorak rages: "Microsoft has over $56 billion in the bank and should be dominating the console market. Unfortunately, the company's overall strategies have failed and may continue to fail, leaving the Xbox in the dustbin with the last great American hope for a super game machine, the 3DO box from circa 1993", before continuing: "I think it can be argued that high-expectation syndrome was partially responsible for the deaths of both the 3DO machine and Sega. It definitely plays into the Xbox story... Compare this rollout to the original Sony PlayStation 1's debut... it just kind of appeared and worked its way to the top by attrition." He ends by musing: "Keeping the Xbox alive is important to Microsoft. Its pride and prestige are at stake... We will see an Xbox II. Whether it fulfills Microsoft's dream or becomes a collector's item remains to be seen."

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  1. Xbox isn't dying by Moderator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What color is the sky in Dvorak's world? The Xbox is outselling the Playstation 2. Xbox parties have quickly replaced LAN parties, and the fact that you can mod the hell out of it has almost turned soldering into a fad. The only place I can see the Xbox as hurting Microsoft is that PC gaming may suffer as a result. But what does Microsoft care if they already control most of the PC world through Windows anyway? If anything, the Xbox is increasing Microsoft's stronghold in the home.

    This written from a Gamecube fan.

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    1. Re:Xbox isn't dying by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 5, Informative

      First up, the article stated PS2 risked being outsold in the US market. Not that it was being outsold. Sales figures for consoles are notoriously difficult to get, and for every Analyst quoting one set of figures that they "predicted" another analyst will predict something wildly different.

      Secondly, irrespective of Microsofts domestic market advantage, the xbox sells poorly in Europe and Japan compared to the PS2. Hell it probably sells poorly compared to the GC in Japan.

    2. Re:Xbox isn't dying by Claire-plus-plus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      XBOX sells so badly in Australia that they have continuing to drop the price even though Sony seem to have refused to play the price-war game this time.

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    3. Re:Xbox isn't dying by atlasheavy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, if memory serves, XBox is currently being outsold by the Bandai Wonderswan and the PS1 in Japan currently. MS Game Studios in Japan is doing a lot of work to create games for that market. Hopefully, we'll see the numbers pick up in Japan before too long. I doubt XBox will outsell the GCN in Japan at any point, but it should at least be the 3rd most popular console. Also, as far as the ENU market is concerned, the fall/holiday game lineup for XBox is strong enough that Sony really should have some concerns. Fable, Halo 2, Sudeki, EA games for XBL, blah blah blah. You get the idea.

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    4. Re:Xbox isn't dying by xx404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd like to see your figures backing this up. The last issue of OXM claimed that Xbox outsold PS2 last month. I also remember early on after it's launch that Microsoft said that Australia had the highest Xbox ownership per capita in the world. Both consoles sell for around the same price and Xboxen seem to be selling better than PS2 in cashies - people are trading their PS2 in to get an Xbox. GameCube is unfortunately not very popular here, but then I haven't bought one yet either...

    5. Re:Xbox isn't dying by king-manic · · Score: 2, Informative

      What color is the sky in Dvorak's world? The Xbox is outselling the Playstation 2. Xbox parties have quickly replaced LAN parties, and the fact that you can mod the hell out of it has almost turned soldering into a fad. The only place I can see the Xbox as hurting Microsoft is that PC gaming may suffer as a result. But what does Microsoft care if they already control most of the PC world through Windows anyway? If anything, the Xbox is increasing Microsoft's stronghold in the home.

      This is a fairly recent developement, it's happening in only one market, and it's not representative of XBOX success but instead of Playstations market saturation. GC is #2 world wide. #3 in America. Xbox is #2 in America #4 or #5 in many other places. MArket penetration wise, Xbox is about as far in as GC in America. their totals aren't too far off. As for games sold, xbox does have some tantalizing exclusives but they sell less games then sony.

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  2. Come on, this is Dvorak. by tm2b · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Dvorak?

    As a self-proclaimed Apple expert, he:
    • Predicted the death of Apple for years and years,
    • Predicted that the stratospherically successful iBook would be a disaster,
    • Most recently, he predicted in March of 2003 that Apple would move the Mac to Intel in the next 12-18 months. Apple's got 3 months left to do it... what do you think the odds are?
    The guy should change his name to "Anonymous Coward" for the amount of trolling he does. So now he's an Xbox "expert," eh?

    Dvorak?
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    1. Re:Come on, this is Dvorak. by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 4, Funny

      yeah, and what's with his whacky keyboard?

    2. Re:Come on, this is Dvorak. by illuminata · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear that Dvorak uses QWERTY. The fucking hypocrite.

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    3. Re:Come on, this is Dvorak. by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      Zatrhas not too bright. Zathras like it when nice commander explain joke. Zathras get a good laugh. Not laugh much these days. Too much work for poor Zathras.

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    4. Re:Come on, this is Dvorak. by Moofie · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might be thinking about the Quadra AV systems, with a DSP that ran the video and audio codecs. I don't really think that counts as a "dual processor" machine. After all...my modem has a processor on it.

      You might also be thinking about the DOS compatibility card, which was basically a teeny 486 computer on a PDS card. That, however, was almost totally separate from the Mac architecture (although it shared the network card, and you could share the clipboard between the Mac and PC, which was extremely nifty).

      Anyhow, there you have it.

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    5. Re:Come on, this is Dvorak. by iocat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, the PS2 has, essentially, a PS1 onboard, which handles PS1 games and controller input. For game systems with five year discrete lifespans, it's maybe cheaper to just include the old hardware, which costs pennies by that point, than to write and support a software emu.

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    6. Re:Come on, this is Dvorak. by Ron+Atkinson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And if anyone remembers back I believe sometime around the mid 90's Dvorak wrote an article in Infoworld about his trip to Comdex in Japan and all the great products he saw there. The problem is that Comdex show never existed since it was cancelled at the last minute.

      Many people in the computer industry distrust John Dvorak ever since this incident. He had also been caught writing product reviews on products that he has never used. The articles were based only what he read from other articles, manuals and press releases.

      This guy lost credibility years ago and is nothing buy a bullshit artist...

  3. The sky is falling! by schild · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dvorak is slowly becoming the Nostrodamus of the high-tech industry. I think it's about time he started writing apocalyptic theories in book form and sold them through thinkgeek. Meh, he certainly doesn't deserve space on any part of slashdot.

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    1. Re:The sky is falling! by BigDork1001 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Dvorak is slowly becoming the Nostrodamus of the high-tech industry.

      Nope, can't be Nostrodamus. There are people out there who actually put stock in what Nostrodamus predicted. I don't think anyone believes what Dvorak says. I think the better thing to say would be, "Dvorak is slowly becoming the mad, raving, lunatic of the high-tech industry."

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  4. Dvorak Lacks Credability by ericrolph · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This from a guy who claimed Apple should stop making computers and software and that blogs offer the world nothing new when it comes to original reporting.

  5. A point by point rebuttal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the company has not been able to get worldwide sales, especially Japanese sales [..] but it still has not been popular enough to become a profit center for Microsoft.

    I never remember Microsoft stating that they intended to make a profit on the first Xbox. It was their introduction to the market - and for a debut product they've done remarkably well. They've done better than Sega and (arguably) better than Nintendo.

    The product itself is rather good for a first effort (controller slip-ups excepted). It's definitely the platform with the most longitivity due to the superior hardware specifications.

    All this has recently been compounded by Microsoft's decision to cancel or delay the release of its online game True Fantasy Live Online.

    A game company cancelling a game is not a big deal in the industry. Heck, I've worked in the games industry for 6 years - and been working on 2 titles when they were killed in various stages of development. Cancelling a title isn't a death-blow to a company as large as Microsoft.

    Microsoft has over $56 billion in the bank and should be dominating the console market. Unfortunately, the company's overall strategies have failed and may continue to fail

    They're doing very, very well. Their main competitor is Sony. Sony is not going to take competition sitting down and has been fighting just as dirty as Microsoft, especially on their home turf in Japan. Microsoft has made impressive headway - done well in the US and Europe, but absolutely slaughtered the competition in some markets like Australia.

    It's not like Sony hasn't made some mistakes - the PSX (Playstation 2 media center) pre-emptive strike against a possible Xbox 2 based "Media Center" was a disaster for Sony. There's no reason at all to doubt Microsoft's future in the console market.

    The 3DO machine was the first 32-bit console; there were great games for it and it had powerful underpinnings. Its $700 price tag was probably the main thing that killed it, but it also suffered from the same problem that the Microsoft Xbox has suffered from: high-expectation syndrome.

    Huh? 3DO comparisons aren't valid. 3DO was DOA because it wasn't marketed towards kids (who couldn't afford it), adult gamers weren't interested because there were no games (and Sony hadn't yet created the adult gaming market) - AND the 3DO didn't live up to the hype. But by all accounts from a consumer and developer perspective, the Xbox hit all expectations placed on it. I certainly have no regrets about my purchase, or about developing for it. I've played some great games, have some great games, had 2 titles published - and there are a number of games that I'm looking forward to.

    I had experts come on my radio show and tell me flat-out that the Xbox would become the number-one gaming console, with Sony number two and Sega and Nintendo probably dropping out. [..] The relative lack of hot games reinforced the negative attitude, as did the promises that many of the hot games on the Sony platform would be "ported"--and when they were ported, they'd somehow be better. Some were marginally better, but not enough to change anything.

    So somebody in marketing exaggerated a product's claims to a member of the mainstream media. Yawn. Really, were you born yesterday? Calling yourself a "journalist" would be some sort of exaggeration, but I don't blame you for trying.

    However, you seem to forget that there weren't many good games when the Playstation 1 launched either. Sure, there was "Wipeout", but the PC version (or "port" as you seem to think that's a dirty word) looked much better. The killer Playstation 1 game, "Metal Gear Solid" began development when the machine was being designed. According to lore, they had a prototype running when the hardware was only at 30% of it's final speed. It was *several years* after the launch of the PS1 until that game eventually came out.

    And it's the same situation on the Xbox - only last year and this

    1. Re:A point by point rebuttal. by Bustbang · · Score: 3, Informative

      3DO has these great games... Need for speed Road rash wing commander 3 Star control 2 Gex Slam n Jam Space Hulk Return Fire Twisted Battle Sport Sword n sorcery etc.. A number of titles sold hundreds of thousands each far from DOA. How much was the the PSX when it first came out? 3DO problem was a it's fragmented structure a reliance on 3rd party support. By the time the 3DO company started shipping games it was 2 years after the debut.

    2. Re:A point by point rebuttal. by unclethursday · · Score: 3, Informative
      I never remember Microsoft stating that they intended to make a profit on the first Xbox.

      This is correct... However, MS told shareholders that they would lose only around $900 million by the end of the first 5 years. Not even three years into the lifecycle of the console, and the Xbox has been the main cause of the Home and Entertainment Division losing over $2.3 billion since the launch of the Xbox. The Xbox is the reason that that division is now losing over $200 million per quarter, with no end to the losses in sight.

      Every price drop, game bundle, or Live bundle they put out accross the world loses them more money per console... and the game sales haven't really been there to make up for the loss on the hardware, like what was expected. In fact, MS hasn't had, to the best of my knowledge, a million plus selling game worldwide since the original Splinter Cell, which was only the 4th title on the machine to break the million unit sales.

    3. Re:A point by point rebuttal. by king-manic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's definitely the platform with the most longitivity due to the superior hardware specifications.

      Umm.. look up the definition of longevity. Their technical spechs are pretty independant of longevity. The gameboy has longevity. It has some pretty poor specs. The PS1 had longevity the hardware was pretty baseline, the Dreamcast had technological supuriority and no longevity.

      the fact remains, they haven't done nearly as well as they hoped. Have failed everywhere except America.

      Nowm I'm not a fanboy. I have all 3. And a gameboy SP and a PC that can run all modern games. Thats just the facts. Xbox is nice technically, but did rather poorly in comparison to it's expectations.

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    4. Re:A point by point rebuttal. by jmauro · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just be cause you don't believe it to be true, doesn't meant that the loss is false.

      Here's a story talking about MSFT's December Quarter of 2003. It talks about how they lost $394 million in that quarter. Here's another story discussing how they lost $273 million the quarter before that. Both of these stories were easy to find and based on MSFT's reports to the SEC.

      I always thought it was common knowledge that the XBox department was burning money like it was going out of style. Guess I was wrong.

  6. I'm Just Curious by Slyght · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not trying to flamebait anyone on, but I've noticed people (not just on this newspost) like to say that the Xbox is ruining the PC market because of cross-platform development. Besides Deus Ex: Invisible War and Thief: Deadly Shadows, both of which were developed by Ion Storm mind you, can anybody name another game that was hurt as the result of this? I think people are mistaking Ion Storm's poor choices in development as some sort of nasty plot by Microsoft to cripple the PC market, because they certainly wouldn't want people to go out and buy PC's that run their operating system, heh.
    I don't believe that the Xbox is failing. Just look at E3 this year, and you can see that Xbox exclusives like Halo 2, Burnout 3, Jade Empire, Fable, etc were walking away with a lot of awards, not to mention Xbox Live's success. I'm not trying to say that Xbox is the best system, because I think each of the big three systems has their own strengths, and I own them all. I think it's outrageous to compare the Xbox to the 3DO, though, as to this day I couldn't name you a single game for the 3DO, whereas the average gamer is probably aware of Xbox's lineup.

  7. Re:Whats all the fuss about??? by fr0dicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bollocks. Most of the games aren't even similar in style. No mouse or keyboard makes sure of that. Many more games are cross developed over consoles only than consoles and PCs. Consider this, if there was no Xbox then those games probably wouldn't even have had a PC release, the market is becoming too small to bother with, full as it is of stale FPS's and point and click RTS. This is in the same way that the Gamecube is starting to find itself without ports of certain games. Stop whining and be thankful. Don't blame the Xbox for the PC's demise, blame all consoles for being something that most people would prefer to play games on.

  8. Re:Of this you can be 100% sure! by fr0dicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, and I bet you're still on your Voodoo 2 aren't you. Idiot. I suppose all your games from back then work too.

  9. You know you're wrong when by Morgahastu · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know you're wrong when even Slashdot doesn't agree with your anti-ms bashing.

  10. Here's a different way to look at it... by LordPixie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And considering how much money Microsoft is losing now, I don't think Microsoft will wait 12 years and will almost certainly give up before then.

    I'd like to draw your attention to this Cringely article. It's a (long) opinion piece on MS' business model. Two points are made about the way MS works: 1) MS has incentives to increase losses. Yeah, you read that correctly. Without losses to balance off their massive growth in the Office/Windows department, they'd plateau and go nowhere. 2) Microsoft has basically saturated the PC market, and sucked as much profit as humanly possible from computer sales. Thus, they have to move into new markets.

    Keeping the top two points in mind, the X-Box seems to be doing a perfect job of what MS wants. Now, I certainly don't expect you to whole-heartedly agree with the above article, but do at least read it...


    --LordPixie

  11. Re:Whats all the fuss about??? by king-manic · · Score: 2, Informative

    5 letter mmorpg. It's been Sony's PC cash cow of ra while and as of yet PC mmorpg never get to the same level. It's a niche market but MMORPG is a very very profitabel niche.

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  12. Re:I respect Dvorak, but what's he on this week? by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 2
    I don't see how insightfull and brilliant should be used in the same sentence with Dvorak. In an article about spyware, the man admitted that running AdAware found (IIRC) OVER 100 PROCESSES!

    Anyone that manages to get themselves that badly infested AND NOT NOTICE IT untill running a malware removal app is clearly not someone that the computer world should take seriously.

    The man simply doesn't know what he's talking about.

  13. XBox Endangered But Not Dying by blueZhift · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I turned my XBox on last night and it works just fine. Admittedly, it has been neglected of late as I've spent a lot of time on my PS2 playing FFXI. That aside, the XBox is not dying yet. Instead, the real threat comes from within Microsoft itself where the company has shown a history of cut and run on anything outside of Windows and Office. It's hard to argue the numbers though, since right now at least PC gaming may make more money for MS than XBox gaming since PC gaming must be driving some PC sales which of course means Windows and Office sales.

    But, if they can come up with the games to drive sales in Europe and Japan, then things could turn around dramatically. I think (with no evidence whatsoever) that internal politics may be keeping them from doing what must be done in the way of aquiring local development talent for the overseas markets and of course marketing effectively there. There's no secret to what Sony did to become the dominant player in the console market. Microsoft just has to decide that this is a game they want to win. I think the future of the company depends on this more than they would like to admit given the rise of Linux and OSS solutions on the desktop.

  14. Re:Amazing.. by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The work you do must be amazingly little if you don't know who he is or what company's platform he tends to support...

    I'll give you a hint: they're located in Redmond, WA and it isn't Nintendo of America.

  15. Re:what? by Pluvius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't you think it's a little stupid to draw lines in general? It's natural to favor one flavor of things over another, but it's the lowest form of human behavior to start arguments and wars over it.

    Yeah, God forbid we actually try to understand through argument why others have the opinions and beliefs that they do. Far better to assume that everyone is exactly the same, holding hands and singing songs under a bright rainbow.

    To sum it up: who the fuck cares?

    Who the fuck cares about anything on the Internet? Why are you even posting to Slashdot?

    It seems the only way to escape such an immature stereotype is to either own all three current systems, or none at all.

    Actually, the way to not be a fanboy is to realize that your game developers of choice are not the end-all and be-all of gaming, that not everything that they touch turns into gold, and that their competitors are not complete trash. It's really not that hard.

    You should be siding with consumers in general, and not You should be siding with consumers in general, and not voluntarily giving more power to an already overwhelming and controlling entity.

    Funny; I thought that being a fanboy was "voluntarily giving more power to an already overwhelming and controlling entity."

    Rob