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Apple Releases iTunes 4.6

sinclair44 writes "Apple has released iTunes 4.6. The new version 'includes support for playing your music wirelessly using AirPort Express with AirTunes. It also includes a number of other minor enhancements.' The update is also available in Mac OS X's Software Update."

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  1. Disables Hymn-ed songs? by bubba451 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    These iTunes versions lately seem to be sneaking in unadvertised anti-piracy "features."

    One poster in the macrumors forums claims that songs de-DRMed through Hymn no longer play.

    Can anyone verify?

    1. Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? by platypussrex · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have not used Hymn so can't verify, but another poster on the same thread claims to be playing de-DRMed songs just fine in 4.6

    2. Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? by boysimple · · Score: 5, Informative

      My hymn-ed songs do not play. They say :

      This computer is not authorized to play "I Woke Up Screaming"
      This song was originally purchased using the account "myaccountname@mac.com"

      So they do seem to be checking something. And calling out those who share hymn-ed files. Not sure how the macrumors fellow is getting his to play....
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    3. Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? by austad · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are probably checking for the non-standard id3 tag info which lists the account it was purchased under. The old version of Hymn didn't put that in, but the new one does.

      The people still able to play are probably playing files de-drm'd with the older version. If you grab the new version of Hymn, just try ripping out the portion of code that inserts that tag in the new file and I bet it will work just fine.

      I've purchased much more music since Hymn came out because now I can play it on my linux box at work without having to burn cd's or do a lossy->lossy conversion.

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    4. Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? by iansquared · · Score: 3, Informative

      Verified on Windows XP.

    5. Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? by Abjifyicious · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I can confirm this. I have some songs where I stripped the DRM with an older version of Hymn, and they work fine. Songs that I stripped with the newer version of Hymn however, don't work.

      I'm not quite sure why Apple did this. The reason the new version of Hymn leaves all the tags in is to discourage piracy, but I imagine the next version will probably revert to stripping all tags out. It seems like Apple is not only going to be pissing off a lot of people by doing this, but they're also going to be making piracy easier in the long term.

    6. Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? by platypussrex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not quite sure why Apple did this.

      My guess is that in order to keep the RIAA happy, Apple has to "fix" FairPlay anytime a drm-breaking scheme comes up. No matter that what you said makes perfect sense, you have to remember we are talking RIAA here, and making sense doesn't seem to be in their playbook.

  2. Another Change? by platypussrex · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are also reporting over on the Apple Discussions that the problems with sharing large (somewhere over 50 gig) libraries has been fixed.

    1. Re:Another Change? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

      The mark was under 50 GB; I'm not sure where it was, but it was related to the number of tracks, not the size of the library. When iTunes 4.5 came out, my library on my home machine was 42 GB and 11,000+ tracks. I had the problem.

      And yeah, I can confirm that 4.6 has fixed it.

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    2. Re:Another Change? by seedman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can confirm that iTunes does in fact fix the 6000+ track bug with sharing. Also, it appears that only the machine hosting the library has to be updated to fix the bug.

      In my own testing, I found that connecting to a iTunes 4.6 shared song library of 13000+ tracks over my 100mb LAN from a machine running iTunes 4.5 or 4.6 takes about 10 seconds. Connecting to the same shared library over standard (11mb) Airport takes about 13 seconds.

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  3. Re:Other minor enhancements? by iguanarama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd place good money on there being changes that support the upcoming UK/European version of iTMS rumoured to be announced next week.

  4. AirTunes by wedding · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm curious to see how AirTunes works with multiple speaker sets. If I can pump the same playlist to the stereo in my front room, my bedroom, my living room and the one outside, then Apple has just sold 4 Airport Express boxes. The cost of four will be much less than the cost (dollars+personal time) of running all that wiring and getting the speaker sets to all work well.

    Can't wait to get my hands on this tonight!

    1. Re:AirTunes by platypussrex · · Score: 2, Informative

      From what I've read you'll be able to stream to each of them, but not at the same time. If what I've read is correct then the audio output will only be sent one place at a time... which includes the host computer, so if you stream to a stereo, you won't have speakers working on the computer at that time.

    2. Re:AirTunes by phatsharpie · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, AirPort Express only allows you to broadcast on one set of speakers (one AirPort Express station). AirPort Express can broadcast any audio out from iTunes. It works by compressing whatever audio is coming from iTunes using the Apple Lossless Codec and sends it to the station where the "stream" is decompressed, thus no audio degradation is incurred.

      Here are some explanation:

      http://homepage.mac.com/craigamiller/iblog/C6726 60 861/E1786577583/

      -B

    3. Re:AirTunes by wedding · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's the way I read it as well, but I was (am) hoping to see an option for multiple sets. The ability to pump to multiple room sets would make it considerably more valuable to me.

      As it is now, I probably won't buy one. I've got an iPod with a dock wired to the MD input on my stereo. Not much improvement to have to walk back to the iMac just to switch playlists. No, I haven't forgotten the wireless components, it's just not quite what I need.

    4. Re:AirTunes by illogic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The easiest way to accomplish this is analog: just hook up a wireless speaker system to your computer, then put receivers in each room. Last time I checked 900MHz was a popular frequency, but there might be 2.4GHz models available by now. Google found this...

  5. Re:Other minor enhancements? by jadriaen · · Score: 4, Informative
    Plus, it was a previous 'minor enhancement' that changed the licensing terms of already-purchased music via the iTMS (to the significant apprehension of many people).

    It might be interesting to note that the changes in the licensing terms are only for the newly bought songs in 4.5, i.e. for the songs you already purchased before upgrading to 4.5, the old terms still apply.

    That aside, nothing changes in the licensing terms from iTunes 4.5 to 4.6.

  6. Airport Express availability? by stu_coates · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh great, iTunes 4.6 is out, but now Apple are having problems fulfilling orders for the Airport Express units that make use of the new features. I ordered 2 on Monday (from the UK Apple Store) with an estimated ship time of 3 days. Received an email this morning telling me that it's going to be mid-July before they will be available.

    Anyone know a reason why? Too many orders? Problems with the unit? Announced too early?

    1. Re:Airport Express availability? by TTop · · Score: 4, Informative

      All the press stuff I saw on the release day said it would be mid-July. And when I made my order, it said expected delivery was July.

    2. Re:Airport Express availability? by stu_coates · · Score: 3, Informative

      That wasn't on the page on Monday, and 3 days was the availability. Here's a copy of the email received this morning notifying me of the change in availability:

      Dear Apple Store Customer,

      Thank you for shopping at the Apple Store.

      We received your order for an AirPort Express Base Station.
      Unfortunately we cannot meet the previously estimated ship date for this product
      and we now expect to ship your order in mid-July.

      Your business is very important to us, and we apologise for any inconvenience
      that this change may cause.

      If for any reason you would like to discuss your order, please contact us at
      Freephone 0800 39 10 10 or uk.consumer@euro.apple.com.

      Answers to many post-sales questions can be found at the Apple Store
      Customer Service website: http://promo.euro.apple.com/promo/help/uk/consumer

      Kind regards,
      The Apple Store
    3. Re:Airport Express availability? by falcon5768 · · Score: 2, Informative

      ummmm it doesnt ship till July.... guess you missed that part

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  7. Re:Has anyone discovered... by happyloman · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is supposed to have fixed the crashing on radio stations and sharing of large libraries problems

  8. Reverse engineering the broadcast protocol by nickovs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I look forward to having an AirPort Express to try this with, not so much to play music directly as to have a chance to reverse engineer the broadcast protocol. Apple don't seem to have published much about the protocol to be used to send music from a Mac to the Express but I can imagine that lots of people are looking forward to buying a number of the AirPort Express hardware units for distributing audio and there is almost certainly another set of people who want to know how to use iTunes 4.6 to stream audio to other computers.

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    1. Re:Reverse engineering the broadcast protocol by crazney · · Score: 2, Informative

      It will likely just be DAAP with the abillity to push music up. For DAAP see my iTunes website

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  9. iTunes sharing / DAAP / TunesBrowser / GetTunes. by crazney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So I've just checked iTunes 4.6 and it appears to NOT break iTunes sharing, unlike last time.

    I've updated my iTunes webpage to mention this.

    Anyhow, one really cool feature that it seems to add for that AirTunes stuff is the ability to 'push' music upwards, rather than just pull down. This will allow one to control remote devices (what music is playing). Now I just can't wait to get my hands on an (Australian) AirPort Express device to reverse it. I can already think of a tonne of applications for this.

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  10. A nice feature to have by foidulus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    would be the ability to press a button in any app and have the track change(well, kind of how the volume up/volume down/brightness up/down works on the iBook), provided the app currently being used doesn't use the button. I know you can re-map keys, and you can script iTunes rather easily via applescript, but is there a way to associate a key with an applescript? Could save a lot of time flipping through windows.

    1. Re:A nice feature to have by tonydiesel · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should easily be able to do this. You can map some (maybe all) of the function keys to do anything you want. So, you could conceivably write an AppleScript to do what you wanted and then map the function key to it.

    2. Re:A nice feature to have by quasipunk+guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I recommend Synergy.

      It works very well and is cool looking to boot

    3. Re:A nice feature to have by Gkeeper80 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Get your hands on a bluetooth enabled cellphone like the Sony Ericsson line and you can use Salling Clicker to change the iTunes album, song, volume, and most other things too. It will pause iTunes when you receive or make a call and can be set up to pause when the bluetooth device is out of proximity (ie when you leave). Comes with plenty of default scripts and is extensible with AppleScript. Seems like the prefect combination of devices

  11. Just strip the tags to play the de-DRM'd files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Simply run the HYMN de-DRM'd files through a tag remover such as tgutf, and "poof!"... you're good to go. Of course, you'll have to add whatever tags you use back into the file, but at least iTunes will now play them.

  12. Re:Compliations... by evilskull · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just turn it off in preferences. It's called "Group compilations while browsing".

  13. Re:Good news by platypussrex · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just read a post on the Apple Support forums from an Apple Employee who says that it will be possible to send different streams to different AE boxes under Panther by starting multiple instances of iTunes under fast user switching and letting each one stream to a seperate box (assuming your bandwidth can take it). Sounds pretty cool to me.

  14. Yes, it does.. here's how to fix: by Otto · · Score: 4, Informative

    Temporary fix:
    Open the Hymn'ed song in a hex editor.. Look for "geID" or something with "ID" as the last two characters there. I'm not sure if it's always the same or not. Anyway, change this to "xxID" and save it. Then try the file in iTunes again.

    Or wait for a new Hymn to remove the ID entirely.

    Or just don't install 4.6. It doesn't add a whole heck of a lot of functionality except for compatibility with that new wireless access point/stereo output thing they've got coming out.

    Frankly, this was an *extremely* stupid move by Apple. What's the point? Look, people can crack the DRM, okay. But the programs tried to be nice by leaving the ID in there. The point was to enable fair use, not to enable file sharing. By leaving the ID in there, it makes it extremely easy to figure out who illegally shared their purchased music. People using it for fair use purposes wouldn't be sharing the music, and so they have no worries about the ID being there or not.

    This "fix" by Apple just makes it HARDER for them to actually catch anybody sharing music. Because now a new version will be created to remove the ID as well, and thus make files that are indistinguishable from normally ripped and encoded ones. Now somebody shares music, and there's no way to track them down. How STUPID can Apple be? Seriously? This is just freakin' preposterous.

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    1. Re:Yes, it does.. here's how to fix: by MoneyT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Frankly, this was an *extremely* stupid move by Apple. What's the point?

      Good relations with the RIAA. iTMS dies without the RIAA. Period, end of story. If Apple doesn't at least play by a basic set of rules, the RIAA will roll up and move to another service even more restrictive and iTMS dies.

      So which would you rather? Having to remove a tag, or having no iTMS to begin with?

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    2. Re:Yes, it does.. here's how to fix: by Otto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So which would you rather? Having to remove a tag, or having no iTMS to begin with?

      Frankly, I don't give a shit whether the iTMS is there or not. If they don't want to sell music to me online, then I'll simply get it from P2P systems like I did before.

      Here's the deal. The RIAA has no leverage power. Yes, they have the music, but I, the customer, have the cash. If they don't want to sell to me, fuck 'em. I'll obtain my music some other way. If they try to make a more restrictive service, fuck 'em, I'll either bypass their restrictions when they get in my way, or I'll go back to the P2P systems and they won't get a dime out of me.

      You act as if they have the power in this situation. They don't. If the DRM gets too annoying, people will go back to not paying for music. It's real simple. If they want my money, they have to not piss me off too much for me to hand it over. Easy as that.

      Lawsuits don't scare me. They've "sued" less than 2000 people. There's 50 million file sharers. Seems like good odds, in my book. They can't sue everybody.

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  15. MP3s still work fine by Vandil+X · · Score: 2, Informative

    I still say the best way to de-DRM iTunes purchases is to burn then to an Audio CD-RW, then rip back as MP3s. Grab the album art from WalMart.com and you're all set.

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    1. Re:MP3s still work fine by harkabeeparolyn · · Score: 3, Informative
      Audio degradation is insignificant if you rip back at a high bit rate.

      Hardly any time is wasted. CD-RW's can be burned and ripped while you're doing something else.

      No plastic is wasted, CD-RW's are reusable, supposedly thousands of times.

      The metadata (song title, album title, genre, etc.) isn't lost in the burn/re-rip cycle. iTunes stores the data on the CD somehow.

  16. Re:So, I'm still wondering... by Yaztromo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Probably never. Why would they make a competing unix platform more apple-like? They have a ton of unix geeks buying macs now.

    Yup, and I'm one of them ;).

    However, the original poster wasn't asking Apple to write a Window Manager or anything -- they just want iTunes for Linux.

    Why would Apple want to do this? Probably because the iPod and iTunes Music Store are two of their biggest money makers, and extending their reach would only serve to increase those profits.

    Unfortunately, I can't see them actually doing this. But hey, as someone who has both Linux machines and a PowerBook G4, one can hope :).

    Brad BARCLAY

  17. Re:AirTunes coming to your home theatre soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In case you haven't noticed it, the new iTunes has support for trailers, an although this is just a small departure from their current feature set, I bet they are just fine tuning the backend technology to support a full video on-demand service. In a few months, you'll be using iTunes to buy a movie for $9.99 and stream it to your Airport Express II to watch it in your own home theatre. I can't wait.
    Originally posted here.

  18. Re:iTunes sharing / DAAP / TunesBrowser / GetTunes by rufo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A friend of mine is an Apple Sales Consultant - he's downloaded the presentation from Apple's consultant website and provided the two following tidbits of info:

    First, the iTunes program is re-encoding everything into Apple Lossless, then sending that wirelessly to the Airport Express station. So if you want to get a head start, start reverse-engineering that.

    Even when that's done, there's still one other small problem; apparently Apple is encrypting the music streams sent to said Airport Express stations.

    He said the presentation he downloaded wasn't particularly clear on either of these two points so I could be wrong here, but it sounds very plausible to me.

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  19. Control the multiple streams by rdarden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may be able to control all of those streams using this hint: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040 60806111322

    Basically set up a playlist, play it as your multiple users, and control it with one final user (adding/deleting tracks).

  20. Actually, this is a good thing by Devil's+Avocado · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was quite relieved to see this move on Apple's part. It's not in *their* best interests but it's certainly in the best interests of hymn users because it will force them to remove the ID tag. The notion of leaving the ID in the hymn'ed file was foolish and reckless -- a horrible disservice. If you had a hymn'ed file in your library and had enabled iTunes sharing then somebody could use something like Leechster to copy that file without your consent. If that person then shared the file to Kazaa or whatever and Apple got hold of it then you would take the fall.

    And no, enabling iTunes sharing is *not* consenting to have other people copy your songs, it's consenting to have other people *listen* to them. If they abuse that privelege it's not your fault. It's an Apple-approved feature and there's no sensible reason why I should be able to use it for songs I've ripped from CDs but not those I've purchased from iTMS.

  21. Has something changed? by o-hayo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Last time I tried to fast-user-switch iTunes wouldn't run, claiming "Another user is running iTunes, please ask them to close it" or something similar to that. Is that still true or did some update sneak in multi-user iTunes support without me noticing =(

    1. Re:Has something changed? by harkabeeparolyn · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've got three accounts logged in, all playing different songs under iTunes. Terrible racket, but I can verify that it works. iTunes 4.5.

  22. Re:iTunes sharing / DAAP / TunesBrowser / GetTunes by crazney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yep, I already read those two things on some website.

    It looks from the binary that the encryption is aes. It shouldn't be too hard to break their aes key.

    I'm surprised there isn't already someone doing the apple lossless codec.

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  23. Only on the local subnet though... by Otto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People would only be able to copy your songs on the local subnet though. I can see how this is some kind of problem in a dorm or something, but for most people it's not a huge issue.

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