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Remembering Pioneer 10

Daniel Goldman writes "Twenty one years ago today, Pioneer 10 became the first spacecraft to leave our solar system, by crossing the orbit of Neptune (which was then the farthest planet from the Sun). Pioneer 10 was the first spacecraft to enter the asteroid belt, the ring of giant rocks beyond Mars. It survived and zoomed on to Jupiter in late 1973, where it became the first spacecraft to take close-up photographs of the storms on the giant planet's surface. After Jupiter, it kept going, collecting data on the particles and radiation it encountered. More info about Pioneer 10 at Wikipedia."

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  1. Leaving the solar system by Jardine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Twenty one years ago today, Pioneer 10 became the first spacecraft to leave our solar system, by crossing the orbit of Neptune (which was then the farthest planet from the Sun).

    I guess that depends on where you define the edge of the solar system. What about the Oort Cloud? What about that tenth planet we can never seem to pin down?

    1. Re:Leaving the solar system by bobhagopian · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a very academic question, and although I could launch a debate about what counts as a planet and whether the Oort Cloud is properly part of the Solar System, it all comes down to the very non-scientific and uninteresting issue of definition. The point is this: Pioneer is really, really, really far. Even farther than Canada.

  2. We'll get another chance to remember it... by datastalker · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when it returns as V'Ger. ;)

  3. Long Live Pioneer 10 by NETHED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Long Live Pioneer 10. It is amazing to think that a human creation has traveled so far and survived so long.

    Built back when things were made to last, Pioneer 10 (according to WiKi) was still used as a training platform just a few years back.

    And the two Mars rovers are a reminder that smart people still are working for NASA, as they have out lasted anyone's prediction.

    Makes me proud /Rant

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    1. Re:Long Live Pioneer 10 by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those looking for a more in depth study of the pioneer missions to the outer planets, this book published in the late 70's (now fully online) is truly a hidden gem from NASA's site. It details every last design aspect of the spacecraft in extremely high detail. We've certianly come a long way in ~30 years from grainy washed out Pioneer photopolarimeter images to super high resolution ultrasharp CCD images from Cassini.

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  4. Engineering at its finest by bobhagopian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's truly amazing about Pioneer and all the other satellites of the era is that they have lasted so far beyond their expected lifetimes. If I remember correctly, Pioneer was supposed to die after reaching the outer planets, but it died in late 2003. The work they do at NASA and especially JPL (where most of the unmanned devices are designed and built) is truly impressive, and even more so considering there usually aren't any second chances available (with the noteworthy exception of Hubble).

    1. Re:Engineering at its finest by DeepBlueDiver · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pioneer was supposed to die after reaching the outer planets, but it died in late 2003.

      Pioneer 10 is not really dead, it is just so far away we can no longer hear it.

    2. Re:Engineering at its finest by BillyBlaze · · Score: 5, Informative
      Quoting from the article...
      Pioneer 10's final signal (after two previous failures) was received on January 22, 2003. As of February 25, 2003, NASA came to the conclusion that the craft's radioisotope power source was no longer functioning well enough for further contact with Earth.
    3. Re:Engineering at its finest by Flavius+Stilicho · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pioneer 10 is not really dead, it is just so far away we can no longer hear it.

      And so... old probes don't die. They just fade away.

  5. It's a blast by after · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny I was just reading about Pioneer a day ago. The Pioneer Plaque is very interesting to think about... just imagine an extraterrestrial life finally reading this plaque. I can't ever imagine what a super-intelligent race could do with it.

    Just think about it. We think of aliens as being these super intelligent creatures capable of time travel and the ability to travel at the speed of light. We are probably wrong. There are probably races that are millions of times more advanced then or there are races that are millions of times dumber. Then there is that change that the human race is the only one in existence, but then you can start thinking about Multiverse.

    It's absolutely mind-boggling about some of the ideas out there. The scary thing is that the reality might be exactly what sci-fi authors are telling us.

    1. Re:It's a blast by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't ever imagine what a super-intelligent race could do with it.

      I think it would make a dandy TV tray.

      KFG

  6. Re:eh by beeplet · · Score: 5, Informative
    which was then the farthest planet from the Sun
    Yeah, I hate the way they keep adding new planets. Oh, you meant farthest known...


    No, they meant that Pluto has an eccentric orbit, which crosses the orbit of Neptune. Between 1979 and 1999, Pluto was the 8th planet from the sun, and Neptune the 9th.
  7. Dont you watch star trek? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone knows that pioneer 10 was destroyed by Klingons in some harmless target practice!

  8. Uh, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The edge of the solar system is the heliopause. Pioneer 10 has not gotten close to that. The honor of the first man-made object to leave the solar system belongs to Voyager 1, launched over 25 years ago.

    1. Re:Uh, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, there's not much evidence that Voyager 1 ever passed the heliopause. About half-a-year ago, there were reports that Voyager 1 detected a sudden drop in the velocity of the solar wind, but it was extremely short lived and could have been due to problems with the recorder/computer. One group claimed this was evidence Voyager 1 passed the heliopause, but two other scientific groups said that it had not. At any rate, all groups agreed that after that drop (if it even had occured) Voyager 1 was definitely now within the heliopause. (Keep in mind the distance to the heliopause can vary greatly over time, depending on how active the Sun is.)

      Voyager 1 is at about 91 AU right now from the Sun (that's 91 times the distance from the Sun to the Earth--one AU is 93 million miles). Pioneer 10 is nowhere near that far. The heliopause is thought to average 120 AU from the Sun. So, Voyager 1 probably has about 10-15 years of travel left to go to definitely leave our solar system and reach interstellar space--defined as where the electromagnetic forces of the galaxy as a whole (the interstellar winds) have more influence than the electromagnetic forces of our Sun (solar wind).

      Interestingly enough, Voyager 1 has about 14-16 years left of electricity (from its nuclear generator) to run its scientific instruments and communications. If the heliopause is more than 120 AU out there, Voyager 1 will pass into interstellar space eventually, but Voyager might be a dead hunk o' metal and we may not get any info about the event.

    2. Re:Uh, no... by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 5, Informative

      The more you understand the observations the more compelling the evidence is and there was certainly no problem with any of the relevent systems. In addition the time period you refer to was certainly not short lived. The duration was on the order of months. The solar wind instrument on V1 failed a long time ago so there is no direct observations of the solar wind available. However, energetic particles also sense the solar wind and these particles are measured. The solar wind velocity can be determined from the particle anisotropies because of the compton-getting effect, to within around 20%. And it's the observations and analysis of these particles that is at the source of the reports. There is certainly no agrement on this issue yet but it is an extremely active area of research.

      What is sad about this whole issue is that after a very long mission and the first real interesting observations in a very long time both V1 and V2 are in jeprody of being shut off by NASA. The presedential proposal to go to mars is not being funded at all at this point and therefore to fund the beginning phases of this effort the necessary funding to these (and many more) missions may be cut. But I guess thats typical government waste... Send the damn things out to 90 AU and then turn them off for political reasons, just when things are getting interesting.

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  9. Pioneer Anomaly by coast99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course, the most important contribution of Pioneer 10 to fundamental physics may be the Pioneer Anomaly : http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9808081

  10. Re:Asteroids! Watch out!! by finkployd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lies! The odds of successfully navigating an astroid field are 3720 to 1!

    Finkployd

  11. Re:oh well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess attempting to fly through a comet's tail and return samples to earth isn't very impressive. Nor is landing a probe on a comet. Or on a moon of Saturn. Or taking samples of a near-earth asteroid and returning them to earth.

    There is plenty going on. Not as much as I would like, but still a lot more than most people think.

  12. Re:details about cameras by buckminsterinsd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually it didn't have a digital camera.

    Pioneer 10/11 were spin-stabilizied spacecrafts. With each revolution there was a light sensitive aperture assembly that generated a scanline. The scanlines were reassembled dirtside to create the image. When Pioneer 11 reached Saturn it moving so fast that the raw planet image was shaped like a football. These raw images were sent to the Univ. of Arizona in real-time for correction. Now, we'd just use Photoshop or whatever but in 1979 that sorta image enhancement was really state of the art.

    Yeah, Pioneer was primitive compared to Voyager but it did more basic science. Voyager was mostly just an expensive ass camera platform. Good for PR mostly.

    Looking back on my 30 years as a geek, working on Pioneer was the most fun job I ever had.

    buck

  13. Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by Johnno74 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess there are a few professional rocket scientists hanging out here (and plenty of amateurs...), so now is a good time to ask a question that has bugged me for a long time:

    Has any consensus been reached over what has caused the unexpected change in velocity of the Pioneer 10 and 11, Ulysses and Galileo probes? Remember this?

    Since this was announced I've done some regular googling to see if this has ever been adequately explained. There are plenty of pages out there with plenty of theories, but most of the sites discussing this also have theories about things like zero-point energy generators, perpetual motion machines, that sort of stuff... Hardly the sort of thing that smells of proper scientific method.

    Other theories include drag from dust, Changing velocity of light and "tired light redshift" (what the HELL is THAT???)

    I have found this paper, which looks very interesting, and much more authoritive, but its is unfortunately waaay over my head!

    There is still a lot of discussion on this topic, can any astrophysics lurking here comment? Are we looking at a modification of gravity? Does this tie in with dark matter/energy?

    Ta :)

    1. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by coast99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      There was recently a conference about the
      Pioneer Anomaly and the conference webpage
      has links to various attempts of explanation.
      [http://www.zarm.uni-bremen.de/Pione er/]

      As far as I know, there is no consensus if the
      anomaly has a trivial explanation
      (gas leaking from satellite, dust in the
      solar system etc.) or if something non-trivial is happening, such as a quantum garvity effect,
      dark matter etc.

    2. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by achurch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, the physicists will never guess that it's really the gravitational effects of huge surveying ships taking measurements for a hyperspatial express route . . .

  14. Where's the slit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't mean to sound dirty in such a respectable forum, but I couldn't help but notice that the Pioneer plaque has much more attention given to the male genitalia than the female genitalia?

    Probably would've been a bush considering the period. Maybe none of the NASA plaque designers were good at curly hair.

  15. 12 light-hours away.... by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And in 50 years from now, some space-tourists will play catch-up with it, just because they're curious what became of it

  16. My first 1-900 Number by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember this date, because NASA set up a 900 number celebrating the event where you would call and listen to a little talk about how far Pioneer 10 had travled and then you could hear the "beep beep noises" coming from beyond the orbit of Neptune.

    My grandmother dialed the number for me (on a rotary dial phone!) and got mad since I listened to it twice, fearing it would charge her twice as much.

    This comment is so far down, I'd be surprised if noticed by anyone.

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