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Remembering Pioneer 10

Daniel Goldman writes "Twenty one years ago today, Pioneer 10 became the first spacecraft to leave our solar system, by crossing the orbit of Neptune (which was then the farthest planet from the Sun). Pioneer 10 was the first spacecraft to enter the asteroid belt, the ring of giant rocks beyond Mars. It survived and zoomed on to Jupiter in late 1973, where it became the first spacecraft to take close-up photographs of the storms on the giant planet's surface. After Jupiter, it kept going, collecting data on the particles and radiation it encountered. More info about Pioneer 10 at Wikipedia."

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  1. Leaving the solar system by Jardine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Twenty one years ago today, Pioneer 10 became the first spacecraft to leave our solar system, by crossing the orbit of Neptune (which was then the farthest planet from the Sun).

    I guess that depends on where you define the edge of the solar system. What about the Oort Cloud? What about that tenth planet we can never seem to pin down?

    1. Re:Leaving the solar system by bobhagopian · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a very academic question, and although I could launch a debate about what counts as a planet and whether the Oort Cloud is properly part of the Solar System, it all comes down to the very non-scientific and uninteresting issue of definition. The point is this: Pioneer is really, really, really far. Even farther than Canada.

    2. Re:Leaving the solar system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oort cloud is just a theory and unfortunatly has become gospel in the laymen's world.

      AFA, the end of the solar system, the heliopause is a better "backyard fence" as it is the boundry between the solar wind and interstellar space.

    3. Re:Leaving the solar system by KI0PX · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to the article, they define the edge of the solar system as the heliopause.

    4. Re:Leaving the solar system by humblecoder · · Score: 4, Informative


      Regardless of how you define it, the farthest planet from the sun has not changed in the last 21 years.


      Putting aside the debate over the 10th planet, the farthest planet does in fact change over time. There are times when Neptune is the farthest planet from the Sun, and there are other times when Pluto is the farthest planet from the Sun. So in fact the farthest planet from the Sun HAS CHANGED in the last 21 years.

      Why this is the case is left as an excercise for the reader...

    5. Re:Leaving the solar system by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, though I haven't checked this specifically, I'd call it a good bet that the orbit of Pluto was the last one the probe crossed. Pluto's orbit passes inside Neptune's rather briefly, and most of it lies well outside.

      Of course, "briefly" is a bit relative: Pluto has traveled only a bit over a quarter of the way round its orbit since we first saw it.

      rj

    6. Re:Leaving the solar system by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 4, Funny

      So in fact the farthest planet from the Sun HAS CHANGED in the last 21 years.

      Why this is the case is left as an excercise for the reader...


      OOOOHH! Oh! I know this one.

      For those who didn't pay attention in school, it's all related to pollution. See, all this global warming is making our atmosphere less dense (since hot gases expand, and believe me I know all about hot gases.) Since it's less dense, the amount of "gravity waves" released from out planed are less dense, too. The lower gravity affect Pluto, letting it slip further away from Earth than Neptune. So Pluto became the furthest planet back in '99 or so.

      You may be asking why Pluto went farther away, but Neptune did not. That has to do with global temperature, too. Pluto is colder, so it's more dense, and relies more on the extra gravity from Earth than Neptune.

      Now you know, and you're ready to pass that junior high science final you've been putting off all this time.

      Go get 'em, Tiger!

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  2. Well, it isn't exactly a dupe by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because the last time we did this story it was 20 years ago today.

    Happy New Pioneer 10 Year everybody. Whoooooooooo!

    KFG

  3. We'll get another chance to remember it... by datastalker · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when it returns as V'Ger. ;)

    1. Re:We'll get another chance to remember it... by magefile · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't you mean P'neer?

  4. Long Live Pioneer 10 by NETHED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Long Live Pioneer 10. It is amazing to think that a human creation has traveled so far and survived so long.

    Built back when things were made to last, Pioneer 10 (according to WiKi) was still used as a training platform just a few years back.

    And the two Mars rovers are a reminder that smart people still are working for NASA, as they have out lasted anyone's prediction.

    Makes me proud /Rant

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    1. Re:Long Live Pioneer 10 by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those looking for a more in depth study of the pioneer missions to the outer planets, this book published in the late 70's (now fully online) is truly a hidden gem from NASA's site. It details every last design aspect of the spacecraft in extremely high detail. We've certianly come a long way in ~30 years from grainy washed out Pioneer photopolarimeter images to super high resolution ultrasharp CCD images from Cassini.

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    2. Re:Long Live Pioneer 10 by Drakin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From everything NASa has said, the minimum duration for the Mars rovers to be considered a "sucess" was 90 days.

      It's clear, that like all good engineers, NASA folks designed it to exceed that length of time (who designs to just fit minimum requirements anyway?) if at all possible.

      Will they last 30+ years? Probably not. Given that they do have human input, someone's going to tell a rover to do something stupid, and the rover will do it, dispite it's obstical avoidance software.

      However, hats off to the NASA engineers of old, who have made things to last in an enviromnt where we still don't know a heck of a lot about.

    3. Re:Long Live Pioneer 10 by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Funny

      >>We've certianly come a long way in ~30 years from grainy washed out Pioneer photopolarimeter images to super high resolution ultrasharp CCD images from Cassini.

      Hey, there's no stars in those pictures. They must have been taken in a studio out in the Nevada desert. It's a government coverup, I tell ya...

      wbs.

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    4. Re:Long Live Pioneer 10 by BTWR · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ...it was only a matter of time...

      ...before some Slashdot reader chalks up the sucess of firing a rocket, sending it millions of miles across space, separating in a dozen stages, landing (which requires maneuvers to be calculated and carried out to the second), setting itself up, finding earth, (refinding earth by itself after losing contact), landing directly bulls-eye within a target picked from hundreds of millions of miles away, finding near PROOF for the first time of the theory of Mars having been water-filled...

      into a "fluffed up" assessment of what success is.

  5. Engineering at its finest by bobhagopian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's truly amazing about Pioneer and all the other satellites of the era is that they have lasted so far beyond their expected lifetimes. If I remember correctly, Pioneer was supposed to die after reaching the outer planets, but it died in late 2003. The work they do at NASA and especially JPL (where most of the unmanned devices are designed and built) is truly impressive, and even more so considering there usually aren't any second chances available (with the noteworthy exception of Hubble).

    1. Re:Engineering at its finest by DeepBlueDiver · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pioneer was supposed to die after reaching the outer planets, but it died in late 2003.

      Pioneer 10 is not really dead, it is just so far away we can no longer hear it.

    2. Re:Engineering at its finest by BillyBlaze · · Score: 5, Informative
      Quoting from the article...
      Pioneer 10's final signal (after two previous failures) was received on January 22, 2003. As of February 25, 2003, NASA came to the conclusion that the craft's radioisotope power source was no longer functioning well enough for further contact with Earth.
    3. Re:Engineering at its finest by Penguinshit · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Which merely means, given a literal translation, that it was no longer producing enough power to make a strong enough signal to be detected by Earth. The signals were already so weak as to be useless for telemetry purposes. The satellite is probably still taking telemetry and trying to transmit. We just can't hear it anymore.

      I feel kind of sad and also kind of proud to think about it.

    4. Re:Engineering at its finest by Flavius+Stilicho · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pioneer 10 is not really dead, it is just so far away we can no longer hear it.

      And so... old probes don't die. They just fade away.

  6. It's a blast by after · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny I was just reading about Pioneer a day ago. The Pioneer Plaque is very interesting to think about... just imagine an extraterrestrial life finally reading this plaque. I can't ever imagine what a super-intelligent race could do with it.

    Just think about it. We think of aliens as being these super intelligent creatures capable of time travel and the ability to travel at the speed of light. We are probably wrong. There are probably races that are millions of times more advanced then or there are races that are millions of times dumber. Then there is that change that the human race is the only one in existence, but then you can start thinking about Multiverse.

    It's absolutely mind-boggling about some of the ideas out there. The scary thing is that the reality might be exactly what sci-fi authors are telling us.

    1. Re:It's a blast by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't ever imagine what a super-intelligent race could do with it.

      I think it would make a dandy TV tray.

      KFG

    2. Re:It's a blast by Robber+Baron · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... just imagine an extraterrestrial life finally reading this plaque. I can't ever imagine what a super-intelligent race could do with it.

      I can. They'd finally be able to figure out where the source of all that free porn spam is located!

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    3. Re:It's a blast by pomakis · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, we are very, very close to the point where we'll be able to send AI-guided probes out into the galaxy at near-light speeds. Logically, if any race even just a bit more advanced than us were living nearby, we'd already be encoutering their probes flying around our system.

      So you're saying that we're "very, very close" to having the technology to send a probe to each of the several billion star systems in our galaxy? Let me tell ya, bub, we're nowhere near that, by a long shot! Sure, I'm willing to believe that within the next hundred years or so we'll probably have the technology be able to whip a probe off somewhere at near light speed. But a few billion? Just where do you think we're going to get the raw materials for this project? And the energy? And the political willpower?

      Also, you're assuming that any civilization that happens to evolve to that level of intelligence and skill will necessarily want to make contact via physical probes (which further assumes that they're interested in making contact at all, which is another matter entirely). It seems more likely to me that in the interests of practicality, sending messages via electromagnetic waves or some other form of ether would be the more common way to reach out to the rest of the galaxy. And as far as we know, there may be several of these messages hitting our humble little planet as we speak. SETI has thus far barely touched the surface in its attempt to scan the heavens at the various likely frequencies looking for such messages.

      (As an aside, lets assume for the moment that we may actually be the only intelligent civilization in the galaxy at the moment. There are still billions of other galaxies out there that may also contain intelligent life. Unfortunately, the distances we're talking about here are so incredibly vast (way vaster than the already-mindboglingly vast distances between the stars in our own galaxy), that the chances of ever knowing whether intelligent life exists (or had ever existed) in another galaxy is pretty much zero. Pretty depressing, really.)

    4. Re:It's a blast by Temporal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh... No, we are not going to produce a billion of them. We will produce a handful and send them to the nearest stars. They will then replicate themselves using raw materials available at those stars and move on. Remember, each of these things will be loaded with an AI much more intelligent than any human. And, frankly, with the exponential rate of advancement we are experiencing, we will have such AI within a half-century... probably 25 years. See Ray Kurzweil's book, The Age of Spiratual Machines for some pretty convincing math to back up these predictions.

      But, even if you don't believe that... Do you think we'll have such technology within 10,000 years? Because even 10,000 years is a lot less that 80,000 years, and could still be considered "very, very close" when compared with the five billion years we've spent evolving.

      And, yes, I am assuming that any civilization with the ability to do so will want to explore the galaxy physically, not just sit back and watch it. I don't think that's such a stretch.

  7. Re:eh by beeplet · · Score: 5, Informative
    which was then the farthest planet from the Sun
    Yeah, I hate the way they keep adding new planets. Oh, you meant farthest known...


    No, they meant that Pluto has an eccentric orbit, which crosses the orbit of Neptune. Between 1979 and 1999, Pluto was the 8th planet from the sun, and Neptune the 9th.
  8. Dont you watch star trek? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone knows that pioneer 10 was destroyed by Klingons in some harmless target practice!

    1. Re:Dont you watch star trek? by Keebler71 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry, I hear Voyager gets through and makes contact with an intelligent race of machines...

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  9. Uh, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The edge of the solar system is the heliopause. Pioneer 10 has not gotten close to that. The honor of the first man-made object to leave the solar system belongs to Voyager 1, launched over 25 years ago.

    1. Re:Uh, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, there's not much evidence that Voyager 1 ever passed the heliopause. About half-a-year ago, there were reports that Voyager 1 detected a sudden drop in the velocity of the solar wind, but it was extremely short lived and could have been due to problems with the recorder/computer. One group claimed this was evidence Voyager 1 passed the heliopause, but two other scientific groups said that it had not. At any rate, all groups agreed that after that drop (if it even had occured) Voyager 1 was definitely now within the heliopause. (Keep in mind the distance to the heliopause can vary greatly over time, depending on how active the Sun is.)

      Voyager 1 is at about 91 AU right now from the Sun (that's 91 times the distance from the Sun to the Earth--one AU is 93 million miles). Pioneer 10 is nowhere near that far. The heliopause is thought to average 120 AU from the Sun. So, Voyager 1 probably has about 10-15 years of travel left to go to definitely leave our solar system and reach interstellar space--defined as where the electromagnetic forces of the galaxy as a whole (the interstellar winds) have more influence than the electromagnetic forces of our Sun (solar wind).

      Interestingly enough, Voyager 1 has about 14-16 years left of electricity (from its nuclear generator) to run its scientific instruments and communications. If the heliopause is more than 120 AU out there, Voyager 1 will pass into interstellar space eventually, but Voyager might be a dead hunk o' metal and we may not get any info about the event.

    2. Re:Uh, no... by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 5, Informative

      The more you understand the observations the more compelling the evidence is and there was certainly no problem with any of the relevent systems. In addition the time period you refer to was certainly not short lived. The duration was on the order of months. The solar wind instrument on V1 failed a long time ago so there is no direct observations of the solar wind available. However, energetic particles also sense the solar wind and these particles are measured. The solar wind velocity can be determined from the particle anisotropies because of the compton-getting effect, to within around 20%. And it's the observations and analysis of these particles that is at the source of the reports. There is certainly no agrement on this issue yet but it is an extremely active area of research.

      What is sad about this whole issue is that after a very long mission and the first real interesting observations in a very long time both V1 and V2 are in jeprody of being shut off by NASA. The presedential proposal to go to mars is not being funded at all at this point and therefore to fund the beginning phases of this effort the necessary funding to these (and many more) missions may be cut. But I guess thats typical government waste... Send the damn things out to 90 AU and then turn them off for political reasons, just when things are getting interesting.

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  10. Re:Forget V'Ger... by Bombcar · · Score: 4, Funny

    So that's it! The RIAA is trying to protect Earth from the Mighty Force of P'Eer 2 P'Eer!

  11. Re:oh well. by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Um... hello? Have you not heard of Cassini? Sure, there may have been some fly-bys of Saturn and its moons in the past, but certainly none that are going to be spending a few years in the area. If the latest group of pictures from Phoebe are any indication...

    Troll.

  12. Asteroids! Watch out!! by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... first spacecraft to enter the asteroid belt, the ring of giant rocks beyond Mars. It survived ...

    Contrary to nearly every science fiction chase scene, the asteroid belt in orbit around our star is hardly what anyone would call dense. It "survived"? Heck, it'd have to try pretty hard to hit a rock out there!

    1. Re:Asteroids! Watch out!! by finkployd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lies! The odds of successfully navigating an astroid field are 3720 to 1!

      Finkployd

    2. Re:Asteroids! Watch out!! by foidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Contrary to nearly every science fiction chase scene, the asteroid belt in orbit around our star is hardly what anyone would call dense. It "survived"? Heck, it'd have to try pretty hard to hit a rock out there!
      Man, that makes me think how "Space C.O.P.S" is going to be such an awesome show in 50 years. Some hick gets drunk and wrecks his cruiser after he runs into an asteroid:
      I....I shweaa ofisher, dat f*cking asteroid comes from nowheers and plaws int....into ma spashe truck.
      Have you been drinking rocket fuel today son?
      Jusht a few spache beers, nutin' I cant....
      *Space pukes
      Ok, this is the most pointless post ever, I'm going to watch the Jetsons.

  13. Pioneer Anomaly by coast99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course, the most important contribution of Pioneer 10 to fundamental physics may be the Pioneer Anomaly : http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9808081

    1. Re:Pioneer Anomaly by heptapod · · Score: 3, Funny

      Haven't you read any Vernor Vinge? Pioneer was simply reaching the edge of the slow zone and will soon achieve sentiency.

  14. Re:oh well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess attempting to fly through a comet's tail and return samples to earth isn't very impressive. Nor is landing a probe on a comet. Or on a moon of Saturn. Or taking samples of a near-earth asteroid and returning them to earth.

    There is plenty going on. Not as much as I would like, but still a lot more than most people think.

  15. Re:details about cameras by buckminsterinsd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually it didn't have a digital camera.

    Pioneer 10/11 were spin-stabilizied spacecrafts. With each revolution there was a light sensitive aperture assembly that generated a scanline. The scanlines were reassembled dirtside to create the image. When Pioneer 11 reached Saturn it moving so fast that the raw planet image was shaped like a football. These raw images were sent to the Univ. of Arizona in real-time for correction. Now, we'd just use Photoshop or whatever but in 1979 that sorta image enhancement was really state of the art.

    Yeah, Pioneer was primitive compared to Voyager but it did more basic science. Voyager was mostly just an expensive ass camera platform. Good for PR mostly.

    Looking back on my 30 years as a geek, working on Pioneer was the most fun job I ever had.

    buck

  16. Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by Johnno74 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess there are a few professional rocket scientists hanging out here (and plenty of amateurs...), so now is a good time to ask a question that has bugged me for a long time:

    Has any consensus been reached over what has caused the unexpected change in velocity of the Pioneer 10 and 11, Ulysses and Galileo probes? Remember this?

    Since this was announced I've done some regular googling to see if this has ever been adequately explained. There are plenty of pages out there with plenty of theories, but most of the sites discussing this also have theories about things like zero-point energy generators, perpetual motion machines, that sort of stuff... Hardly the sort of thing that smells of proper scientific method.

    Other theories include drag from dust, Changing velocity of light and "tired light redshift" (what the HELL is THAT???)

    I have found this paper, which looks very interesting, and much more authoritive, but its is unfortunately waaay over my head!

    There is still a lot of discussion on this topic, can any astrophysics lurking here comment? Are we looking at a modification of gravity? Does this tie in with dark matter/energy?

    Ta :)

    1. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by Johnno74 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If this was the case, couldn't we measure the redshift of light from objects in the outer solar system, like neptune etc?

      Infact, wouldn't the redshift of light reflected off neptune (I was going to say uranus... but you read that out aloud and keep a straight face...) be even more evident than the redshift of the signals from pioneer, since the light has gone from the sun, to uran...^G^G^G^G NEPTUNE and then back to earth...?

    2. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by coast99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      There was recently a conference about the
      Pioneer Anomaly and the conference webpage
      has links to various attempts of explanation.
      [http://www.zarm.uni-bremen.de/Pione er/]

      As far as I know, there is no consensus if the
      anomaly has a trivial explanation
      (gas leaking from satellite, dust in the
      solar system etc.) or if something non-trivial is happening, such as a quantum garvity effect,
      dark matter etc.

    3. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by BillyBlaze · · Score: 4, Informative
      The redshift of light is the further light travels, the longer the wavelength gets, so light "shifts" to the red part of the spectrum

      No, red shift is only indirectly related to distance from source. What matters is the velocity of the source when the light left relative to our velocity now. Red shift occurs when the source was moving away from us. It's similar to the zeeeouuuu sound cars make when they drive past you - when they are going away, they sound lower pitched.

      Given this, and the observation that more distant objects tend to be more red-shifted (to which you refer), we conclude that "the universe is expanding."

    4. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by achurch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, the physicists will never guess that it's really the gravitational effects of huge surveying ships taking measurements for a hyperspatial express route . . .

    5. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 3, Interesting
      red shift is only indirectly related to distance from source. What matters is the velocity of the source when the light left relative to our velocity now.
      Actually, the expansion of the universe itself will impart some additional redshifting to the light.
      To illustrate this, imagine a wavelength of light travelling across the surface of a balloon.
      As the ballon expands, the two ends of the wave get further apart, thus increasing its wavelength.
      Similarly, as the universe expands, the wavelength of light traveling through it increases.
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    6. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by achurch · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is modded insightfull and informative??? Thats waaay more funny than the original joke. The moderators really are on drugs today...

      Or perhaps they know something we don't . . . do you know where your towel is?

  17. Where's the slit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't mean to sound dirty in such a respectable forum, but I couldn't help but notice that the Pioneer plaque has much more attention given to the male genitalia than the female genitalia?

    Probably would've been a bush considering the period. Maybe none of the NASA plaque designers were good at curly hair.

    1. Re:Where's the slit? by Yunzil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From "The Cosmic Connection" by Carl Sagan:

      "The principle feminine criticism is that the woman is drawn incomplete -- that is, without any hint of external genitalia. The decision to omit a very short line in this diagram was made partly because conventional representation in Greek statuary omits it. But there was another reason: Our desire to see the message successfully launches on Pioneer 10. In retrospect, we may have judged NASA's scientific-political hierarchy as more puritanical than it is."

      He then goes on to cite cases of newspapers who, uh, removed the man's naughty bits when they published the picture.

      So, in short, the reason the "slit", as you so poetically called it, is missing is that we Americans are hung up about sex.

      Now you know.

  18. 12 light-hours away.... by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And in 50 years from now, some space-tourists will play catch-up with it, just because they're curious what became of it

  19. Re:details about cameras by mikejz84 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seeing that it looks like you know quite a bit about pioneer and I can not find much about the sub systems online I have a question: What is going on with the Pioneer 10/11. I know that RTG wattage is to low to power the transmitter, but is there any part of it that is still 'on'? Also, I am under the impression that in all odds its did not fly with an onboard computer so some sort of logic based control system was used. Mind telling me a little about how the system opperated and how data was stored and sent to earth?

  20. Using "space network"? by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hi - why can't NASA try to use some nearer spacecratt (Cassini, Mars Express etc.) to communicate with Pioneer 10?

    1. Re:Using "space network"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Hi - why can't NASA try to use some nearer spacecratt
      > (Cassini, Mars Express etc.) to communicate with Pioneer 10?

      Because they really aren't that much closer, nor do they have sifficiently good antennas or receivers for the frequencies used for Pioneer 10 downlink.

      I would have to do some research, but I think the previous post referring to inadequate D/L signal strength as the cause of loss of communications is incorrect. I believe the prevailing theory is that the Radioisotope Thermal Generator (RTG ) used as a power supply can no longer provide enough power to trun on the transmitter. Once they miss a few passes, the pointing drifts off, then you are shafted.

    2. Re:Using "space network"? by mikejz84 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you go to the Pioneer site, it talks about uplinking commands to Pioneer via 200Kw transmitter....I think most space probes don't have that kind of reserve. Of course in addition there are issues with the antenna gain of them, as well as communicating with the same standard, etc. Its really just a lot easier to put low powered transmitters and smaller antenna on the bird, and just make up for it with on the earth side.

  21. Re:oh well. by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Your absolutely correct. It gets down to the basic problem in space science and that is how to market information to the public. What gets me is that I can turn on the discovery channel and watch hour after hour of Palio this and Volcano that (all very important areas of research, I'm not dogging them). Why arn't there more programs made that describe the current NASA missions, design and development phases, the mission it self. Some of the great science that comes from it etc.. I guess it comes down to the fact that the Fe/O ratio is just not as cool as a Raptor claw.

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  22. Re:Thats a map? by CaptBubba · · Score: 3, Informative
    The upper right hand two-ball thing represents the spin-flip transition of hydrogen. Basically the electron can either be in a spin-up or spin down configuration, and there is a certain probablity/time and wavelength of the photon produced when the electron "flips". Notice there is a little "1" there, this is used as a unit of measure for the rest of the engraving.

    The spin-flip transition has a wavelength of 21cm. Next to the people is the binary number 8, 8x21=168cm, the approximate height of a human. Also this can be used to make sure the scale is correct, because Pioneer is show to scale behind the humans.

    The period of the spin-flip transition is around 1420(Mhz)^-1. The off burst pattern is actually a map of the Sol system's location in relation to 14 pulsars, whose periods are compaired to that of molecular hydrogen's transition by way of binary. By knowing this the recieving society is supposed to look in the sky and find some of the pulsars with those frequencies and be able to locate us.

    Pretty nifty use of math and science I think, but perhaps including an example of binary counting would have been a good idea. I forget what the binary near the planets signifies, either distance or mass, I can't recall which. Probably distance, because that diagram is not to scale.

  23. My first 1-900 Number by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember this date, because NASA set up a 900 number celebrating the event where you would call and listen to a little talk about how far Pioneer 10 had travled and then you could hear the "beep beep noises" coming from beyond the orbit of Neptune.

    My grandmother dialed the number for me (on a rotary dial phone!) and got mad since I listened to it twice, fearing it would charge her twice as much.

    This comment is so far down, I'd be surprised if noticed by anyone.

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  24. the woman of the plaque does not have genitals !!! by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 4, Funny

    The woman of the Pioneer 10 plaque (check the Wikipedia link) has no genitals.

    Alien biologists will have a hard time figuring out how human reproduction works.

    Then when the aliens eventually realize that the genitals were omited for the woman (but not for the man) alien sociogists and psychologists will have even harder time explaining why we did this.