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Where Have All the Venture Capitalists Gone?

artlu asks: "I have a great idea for a dotcom company, and I just started to execute the initial stages of my business plan. I developed the initial website, gained a user base, and am about to incorporate in Florida. Now I need to find a venture capitalist! However, every capitalist I approach is fearful of dotcoms. I ask the Slashdot community: How do I find a post-bubble dotcom investor?"

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  1. Maybe it is you? by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are still plenty of VC's around - and they have plenty of cash as well! Maybe it is you? Maybe they think your idea sucks? giving away more things for free? they know that that is an exceptionally difficult business model to pull off, and will only work when you have some exceptionally good services to give away.

    In your case, there is little that is unique, and you don't seem to have any USP's (unique selling points), anything that I can't already get elsewhere, as part of a larger service, and most importantly, readily visible revenue stream.

    I'm sorry to be blunt and harsh mate, but the VC's are still there, they are just talking to people with a better plan......

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    1. Re:Maybe it is you? by gazbo · · Score: 5, Informative
      Agreed. As a specific example, what exactly does your site offer that The Motley Fool (with a large user base and very high brand recognition) doesn't?

      What sort of capital are we talking? If it's around $30k or under, you should have no problem funding it yorself (I can easily raise that sort of capital myself through personal savings and personal loans; as a business one can easily receive more from the banks, not counting any business development grants available to you).

      If we're talking more, how are you going to pay them back? What are your revenue streams - looks like just ad-driven to me. So as a VC hoping to have made significant profit on my investment in 5 years, what is your forecast? How much do you expect to get from advertising per user? How many users are you going to attract? How many years will it take for this revenue stream to generate $200k profit, to make it worth their while.

      As with the parent, my intent is not to be negative, but as someone who is very much involved in the issues of keeping a business afloat, I think you need to come up with viable answers to these questions in the form of a solid business plan before you go asking for VC. And you have to truly belive that the business plan is feasible, else even if you did get VC you'd be opening yourself up for a miserable time.

      A more direct answer to your question, though, would be to attend events in the ICT sector. You'll find there are many agencies, all in a close-knit community, with the goal to support ICT companies. They will host events which are of no interest, but you can network, network, network. Once that's done, finding VCs will be no problem whatsoever, as everyone in the community will know everyone else.

      Oh, by the way - many people will be displeased that their information is being shared with a tracking company. At the least it looks very unprofessional. You're hosting PHP pages, bite the bullet and write the tracking code yourself.

    2. Re:Maybe it is you? by nocomment · · Score: 2, Funny

      There are still plenty of VC's around

      No kidding! You even tried Baystar? They will apparently invest in anything.

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  2. Try doing the following experiment by 0x54524F4C4C · · Score: 3, Funny


    While standing in the front of your venture capitalist, turn 180 degrees so that he can see your back. So, put your pants (and underpants down) and try to touch your feet with the tips of your fingers. You can slightly open your legs to make it easy for your to touch your feet. Now wait for your new "venture" to start and enjoy. Good luck.

  3. just wait ... by straybullets · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Future of Internet Investing is Coming.

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  4. See your own business plan by geirt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since you are creating a web site for day traders, I think your business plan should include some info on how you can attract venture capitalists. If not, update your business plan.

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  5. Privacy Statement by Gary+Destruction · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You need a privacy statement. It's very important, especially for what you're doing.

  6. The vultures have flown... by Drakin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously though. They both exist, and have heaps of money because there's been nothing to invest in to speak of.

    However, the stupider ones are out of business, and the smarter ones are being a lot more careful in their dealings now.

  7. If I were a venture capitalist... by afay · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... I wouldn't give you money. Would you trust someone who advocated day trading to manage your investment well? I find it interesting that you quote Warren Buffet in your theory section when essentially you are going against everything that he stood for (regarding investments).

    Realize that in order to succeed you will lose - a lot. I lost $11,000 when I started out, but I think of that money as an education. Also, do not even attempt to day trade with less then $40,000 as you will need Day Trading Buying power. PAPER TRADE.

    How much did you end up making? If you did/are doing well, why are you changing professions (trader to dotcomer)? If not, why would I trust my money with you? (especially since you're losing your money in such a foolish manner--day trading)

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    1. Re:If I were a venture capitalist... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      Day trading?! Day trading?!!!

      This isn't the eighties you know. The banks have computers as well now. Day trading was a fancy get rich quick scheme that reduced the real value of a lot of shares. If you want to make money patent online day trading or something. You can do it regardless of any prior art here

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  8. wow, this is too easy by mike_sucks · · Score: 4, Funny

    1 - Ask Slashdot
    2 - ...
    3 - Profit!

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  9. yep, revenue model by foniksonik · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where's the money... seems like you're missing the basic idea, they want to make money. Unfortunately it's a big waste of my time to explain this to you, so.. good luck.

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  10. Me too! by Fizzl · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds like someone got carried away with the 24HDC...

    And he actually managed to get a plug on Slashdot. This is just slightly pathetic.

  11. Maybe there's a reason why they're scared. by rjh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Like, for instance, you're talking about a financial-securities website. If I were Joe Venture Capitalist and you came to me with a financial-securities idea, here are the questions I'd ask you before I'd even look at your business plan. Don't have good answers? Bye. Want your business plan back?
    • Who's representing you? Don't have legal counsel lined up? You're opening a securities firm and you don't have a securities lawyer hired? Buhbye.
    • Who among your executives is an SEC-licensed broker or agent? Nobody? Buhbye.
    • From where did you receive your MBA? Wait, you're trying to run a securities firm and you don't have an MBA in an executive position? Oh, right, right, you have "extensive trading experience". Right. Just like every other daytrader who lost his shirt. No MBA, no investment. Buhbye.
    • What services are you offering which nobody else offers? You aren't offering unique services? Buhbye.
    Those questions aren't nice, but those are questions which will be asked straightoff, and if you don't have good answers for them you won't even get your foot in the door.
    1. Re:Maybe there's a reason why they're scared. by zero_offset · · Score: 2, Funny

      Foot in the door? It sounds like this guy hasn't even found the door yet...

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  12. Stop calling it that. by DjReagan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First thing you should do is stop calling it a "dotcom business". Many VCs got burnt by them 5 years ago, and now have an irrational phobia about the term.

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    1. Re:Stop calling it that. by Scorchio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Couldn't agree more. I did the rounds with various VCs a couple of years ago in an attempt to fund development of software that primarily communicated over the internet. Just mentioning "internet" made these folks turn pale...

      Calling your business a dotcom will likely have them burning you at the stake before you can use the word "leverage".

  13. Beware, this guy has an IQ Over 160 by pjay_dml · · Score: 2

    Take a look, at the selfdescription of the poster! About Him

    1. Re:Beware, this guy has an IQ Over 160 by amillband · · Score: 2, Informative
      Ditch all my college learning and become a Stock Market Daytrader on WallStreet after I have Sufficient money to do so! (Check - minus tried twice and failed)

      (Emphasis mine)

      Perhaps this is why the VC's are running scared?
    2. Re:Beware, this guy has an IQ Over 160 by Quarters · · Score: 2, Funny

      And that gives us the answer to why no VC will give him money. VC's don't like owners of "Pimped out 2000 Oldsmobile Aleros". They prefer people with much more car and far less sticker-fast quotient.

  14. Hahaha. by Gannoc · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I made a website, where's my fucking money???"

  15. Ask Slashdot: Where can I get free exposure? by truffle · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've just started [link]a company[/link] and I'd like some free exposure from a heavily trafficked Web site. What question should I asked on Ask Slashdot to generate this exposure?

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  16. Where have all the VCs gone? by sakusha · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where have all the VCs gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the VCs gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the VCs gone?
    Dotcoms fleeced them every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    1. Re:Where have all the VCs gone? by tcopeland · · Score: 2, Funny

      sakusha, I salute thee! When I saw the headline, that's the first thing I thought of...

      Where have all the VCs gone?
      No more funding
      Where have all the VCs gone?
      Funding all gone
      Where have all the VCs gone?
      No more lovely Aeron chairs
      It seems that they have learned
      It seems that they have learned

  17. This is a joke, right? by DorianGre · · Score: 5, Funny

    No real plan. No unique concept. No market differentiation. No pressing need being met. No users clamoring for you to open. No revenue streams. No team to make it happen. No real business background. No exit strategy.

    If I were a VC I would bill you for wasting my time. There are plenty of VCs out there dying to invest their money as it has a shelf life that is coming due, but no one is stepping up with a good idea. And yours is not a good idea. A good idea had a $5-20 Billion market. A good idea can capture at least 5% of that market. A good idea fills a void in the market. A good idea has high switching costs for the end user, is hard to duplicate, is expensive to get into, has large margins, has the ability to block competitors through things like patents, leverages an already installed base, and makes you wet your pants it is so good. If you don't believe in your idea to invest your own money, money you may not have, put together a team, do the research, etc. - then why would a VC invest?

    I, for one, can't believe this got posted. Oh, wait, yes I can. Perhaps my next submission will be an Ask Slashdot: "How much will you pay for this turd."

  18. Forget the MBA.... by hughk · · Score: 4, Informative
    MBAs can scare off VCs these days - you want relevant qualifications - this means trading or analysis. This actually goes with the SEC ticket point which I agree with. MBA expertise tends to be organised more around larger companies rather than startups. MBAs are too expensive for what they bring to have on the staff, however they may be fine to use on an advisory basis. I have heard a lot about business plans, 100 pages of BS is outdone by a few pages of relevant information, so you don't even need the MBA for that.

    As for the something different, I'm hundred per cent behind you on that one. If you don't have a product differentiator, you are dead - there is only so much market and somebody bigger always has economies of scale.

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  19. You need angels, not VCs by JohnQPublic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The VCs are out there, but you're not in their market anymore. Before the bubble, VCs didn't invest "seed capital", which is what you're looking for. After the bubble, VCs again don't do seed money, they're looking for companies that need "mezzanine financing" - companies with paying customers, good cash flow, and preferably a profitable quarter or two behind them. Companies that need money to grow instead of money to get started.

    Before the VCs squeezed them out of the market, there were "angel investors" - individuals who knew their specific industries very well, had made their own money previously and were willing to take a flyer on a new company in their industry. Angels typically require much less documentation etc. to invest.

  20. This is not professional enough. by aWalrus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your site, although competent, seems thrown together in a rush. The color scheme is drab and the text is nigh-unreadable for your target audience (these are not designers you're catering to). That just won't cut it. And that's just your site (all you have to show for the time being).

    As for the copywriting: It's just unprofessional. You have neither a "corporate" reassuring voice (something desirable in this context) nor a friendly, personal one. It's just a mix and match of faux seriousness and half hearted attempts at humor. Needs tightening.

    From what I see, I wouldn't bet much on the business plan. Then, there's what everybody else here is saying: You don't have a unique product. No market differentiator, no apparent viable business model, no real professional experience (no, "tried and failed" doesn't cut it when requesting capital for a business providing services for the area in which you failed).

    I'm sorry, but I think the problem with your proposal is that it's not good enough. Good luck improving it.

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  21. A Few Rebuts if I May by artlu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First, the website that currently exists is not the business idea. It is the first step in my business plan. VCs have not been exposed to any of the true idea yet. The non-disclosure form was just finished by my attorney yesterday. I agree, the website is poorly designed, but I am just working on getting it running before developing it farther.
    Second, my about page on artlu.net. A) yes, it is stupid and childish. B) I have not updated it in nearly 4 years. C) If you are judging me by that page, I have nothing to say. I took it offline, but im sure you can google or internet history it.
    Third, I am working on the privacy policy as well - I don't remember which post mentioned that, so thank you.

    Finally, I appreciate all of the constructive comments and the emails I have received of interest. They are definitely leading me to change a few things in the Business plan.

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  22. Not bad. by Joseph+Vigneau · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like his free ad on Slashdot is doing pretty well