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Mozilla 1.7 Released
kashif-khan writes "Right at the verge of Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7 being released comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7. Updates include smaller size, increased speed and faster start up times. Be sure to read the release notes for the complete list of features and download it from mozilla.org."
No wonder Mozirra's #1!?
There is a REASON I dropped Netscape completely a couple years ago.
With Netscape, each version was much larger, a hell of a lot slower, and it crashed more often.
Mozilla actually GETS BETTER as it evolves.
It's like some dumb bird vs. the roadrunner.
Thank you Open Source: this wouldn't have happened with you, and the dedicated OSS community (Slashdot, ThinkGeek, SourceForge, Kuro5hin, Fark, etc.)
Background: 28/M/Bi-Sexual; Owner of a Linux company; MBA Harvard 2003; B.S. Comp Sci MIT 2000
Why are they still developing Mozilla instead of just developing Firefox, Thunderbird, and the core? Firefox, Thunderbird are still pet projects. That is why their development is so slow. Firefox has been in development for a lot of time.
Look at the advanced option of Firefox (.9). There is an option (selected on by default) that allows things to be installed from your browser. .xpi files used for the Firefox extensions can also be used to install other less desired software.
The interesting thing is that DOM inspector and Venkman (the JS debugger in Moz) are not only excellent tools for web development *in Mozilla* but also for developing for IE, Opera, Safari and so-forth. Many common CSS mixups and accidents can easily be found by simply using the DOM inspector to check what the calculated CSS is for any given element in a rendered document -- setting aside browser quirks this is a useful to have as a web designer period, even if you are a diehard IE holdout. The same goes for the JS debugger and even Mozilla's Javascript Console -- no vague-looking error windows stealing focus away from your main browser window or any of that nonsense, either. IE simply cannot compare, and these tools only get better and better.
-- Maciek
Speaking of Slashdot/gecko bugs, any of you Macintosh users users have to turn off "willing to moderate" because it locks up whenever you have mod-points?
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
This will sound like trolling, but it's not my intention.
I slipstreamed XP SP2 RC2 last night, installed it, and the improvements to IE were so nice, that I have seriously reconsiddered continuing to use mozilla, as now all of the things i liked about mozilla are in IE.
Well, that and the fact that every other mozilla build seems to forget how to keep a dropdown history in the URL bar. I mean seriously, in this day and age, how is this evern remotely acceptable?
What's ironic is my mom doesn't like IE nither now. She was looking for a crack for one of her games she plays (Just her little flash/java games). She comes upto me and goes "Why does IE keep downloading all this spyware".
... use this browser
:)
Im like here
I installed Mozilla Firefox with a nice pretty theme and now she won't go back. She likes tabbed browsing and the point it just works.
Kinda nifty how OSS software is getting into the hands of "average joe".
Solosoft.org - Your Online Resource to Nothing
"Sunbird" just doesn't cut it.
See my other comments expressing my frustration at the lack of a decent calendar solution from the Mozilla group.
People don't understand how seriously upper management types take their calendar apps and how much the Outlook calendar holds them to Outlook, even without Exchange!
As far as I know, they don't add that much more to it to make it crash more or be a hell of a lot slower. Mainly just some advertising and branding.
I seem to remember this *might* have been fixed, but I could swear it was causing me problems the other day. That's just an insane bug which even after all these years I can't understand any rationalization for. If I want to VIEW SOURCE, I want to view the source of what's being rendered, NOT the source of another POST action.
creation science book
Have to agree with you on XFT's bad karma. I use Mozilla and (once upon a time) Firefox 0.8 with the font.FreeType2.enable option, which yields muchmuchmuch nicer-looking fonts. As of Firefox 0.9, however, the direct-FreeType support seems to have been dropped in favor of XFT alone :-(
I've been trying to compile Firefox from source with --enable-freetype and --disable-xft, but ye gods is it a pain to sort through the build problems that come up....
iSKUNK!
I have the last two more problems with mozilla/firefox before I can call it a perfect browser.
1. when click a link that opens a new window on a slow site that takes forever to load, mozilla thinks it is a popup becoz it is still loading, and it blocks the new window!!!
2. when I enter a banking SSL site that pops up a window for login, the security icon overwrites the popup blocking icon, there is no way for me to unblock the site unless I do it manually.
Any known solutions to fix these?
Mozilla Mail - I haven't forgotten you. An excellent client that integrates nicely with the browser.
Kudos to the Mozilla team. Don't worry, marketshare will follow.
Does anyone know if it has e-mail palm sync support or just address book palm sync support?
Also:
I've found that Firefox (at least up to and including the last release, haven't tried the new one yet) has a very stripped-down version of the user preferences. Mozilla has a lot more options, and a few of them are ones I prefer not to be without, including some relating to the handling of browser tabs.
Please guys will you just implement the full set of MOzilla options!
THE MAGIC WORDS ARE SQUEAMISH OSSIFRAGE
I actually had this problem in Windows, I had turned on ipv6 a long time ago and forgotten about it. I couldn't figure out why some sites would take AGES to load, but then I realized it was only sites with AAAA records causing the delay.
I would expect such blatant racism on Fark, but on Slashdot? Mods please ban this asshole.
On the rare occasions that I'm in Windows, I like to use a Blackbox for Windows skin without a taskbar. In those occasions, tabbed browsing is a godsend, as it is in Linux in Blackbox (but tabbed browsing is pretty much a standard feature on Linux).
You can mod your friends, you can mod your nose, but you can't mod your friend's nose.
I also can't see the one grand feature that would make me completly switch from IE. I know allot of people will bring up a ton of good reasons, but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch? no sneaky spyware and annoying popups as you browse those sites with... um... merry ladies...
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
I have contacted this bank, which will remain unnamed
Why leave the bank unnamed? Go ahead and name it. Maybe it will shame them into supporting standard browsers.
At the time my bank got eaten by Washington Mutual, their web site didn't support anything but IE. I complained. I don't know if anyone else did. But I do know that six months later, I can use Mozilla or Safari, or virtually any other browser I want at wamu.com.
World's tallest building rises in the desert
Took all the precautions like removing profile, uninstall moz 1.6 etc - but couldn't stop 1.7 crashing.
So I am back to 1.6 - though I don't find any features in 1.7 that warrant it to be "must have" - I am quiet happy with 1.6.
No Sig for you.!
"A new option to prevent sites from using JavaScript to block the browser's context menu."
Hallelujah! Maybe eventually idiots will stop using this trick once they realise it isn't stopping anything. It would make my life so much easier.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
A lot of people on bit torrent. It took maybe 8 seconds to download.
Under 1.7, for the first time ever slashdot.org _just appeared_. No waiting for everything to decide how big it is and where it wants to be. Nothing. Site just appeared. I tried a batch of them and almost everything rendered instantly with a second or two from return to in my face. Very cool. Since this is the OS X build, I'm dieing to see how fast the linux build is.
Muhahaha! Take that creaky IE!
the clock on the wall says 4 til 7
I'll chime in and say that National City and Fleet Boston both work fine with Mozilla.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Am I missing something here or is the only integration in Mozilla is the inclusion of 4 buttons in the bottom left corner of the window? Other than that I see absolutely no difference in using TB + FFox with the ChatZilla plugin to get the same functionality.
Hey all,
Been using 1.6 for a long time on Windows and I must say 1.7 is quite a bit faster in rendering pages. Have dual booted into SUSE 9.1 and installed 1.7 yet, but I'm hoping for the best. Kudos to the Mozilla team, and kudos again!
-m
http://www.invisik.com
I wanted an answer to a simple question, that I figured should be a FAQ. However, the FAQ link from the main page goes to the FAQs for...Mozilla 1.5!
Does anyone EVER update this documentation? It's been Mozilla's biggest (and aside from the naming problems, only) problem.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
Microsoft actually has a script debugger it's not bad.
:( -- although, I'd settle for a JavaScript console.
"Microsoft Script Debugger" on http://msdn.microsoft.com/scripting
There's IEDocMon
http://www.cheztabor.com/IEDocMon/
Which seems to be a prettier DOM Inspector.
I was pretty sure Safari had a dom inspection tool in it, but my mac's at home and I haven't looked for that feature.
Now, what I kinda want is a dom inspector for Camino
Can they please make the icon of the fox look towards the user? I thought it was a fire blob engulfing the world.
[rant off]
MFirefox under Windows 98 is far faster than Mozilla.
Tested with 64Mb ram.
Does anyone know how many Windows 95/98/Me installs are connected to the net?
FireFox is a good marriage for those lazy asses.
Now if they can do the same to the email client then drop Mozilla.
Heh, that's funny. But all joking aside, I think
Mozilla really is starting to get the market share back. Here are some numbers from the site in my signature:
Different browsers listed 9
Unknown 59552 (48.4%)
Explorer 30143 (24.5%)
Mozilla 24622 (20.0%)
Safari 4330 (3.5%)
GoogleBot 2941 (2.4%)
Opera 1351 (1.1%)
The 'Unknown' number corresponds to web crawlers, and especially the crazy MSN bot. Admitedly, the site whose stats these are is for power Internet users, so it doesn't represent an average web site well, but I think that is where trend setting comes from...
Simpy
Can someone point this out to me - perhaps I'm not looking hard enough. In Mozilla you can enable URL autocomplete so that while you type the url in the location bar it completes it as you go along. In Firefox it appears to work like IE - you type but it drops down a list of similar URLs and from there you have to hit TAB to choose the right one. Is there a way to make Firefox autocomplete like Mozilla does?
Maybe they should nick the "Closed Windows" history from Opera.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
you are right for NOW.
>It does sound funny using it like that
Those "funny usages" are the corner stones for a dictionary to evolve and exist.
If all people followed dictionary strictly(impossible, because it is life and we lives on change) then a millennium back dictionary still holds good today.
Not good enough.
How many times have you watched users click "OK" to install Comet Cursor or Bonzai Buddy or Weather Bug or whatever else.
Malicious XPIs already exist. So do "stupid" users. If Firefox continues to gain marketshare, the combination will be just as annoying as the IE mess is now.
Isn't it ridiculously obvious that you can't trust the user to make an informed decision about button to click by now?
Sorry, I haven't a clue. Not even sure what a MUD is; I'm not much of a gamer (I like pool, pinball and poker- the analog versions only- and occasionally old-school video games). I am currently using a fedora core1 box, basic workstation, and it has over 30 games, not sure what many actually are. I have not used windows in several months, and I seriously am considering moving my father (an incredibly technophobic writer,editor,publisher -writes several thousand words daily) to Linux. I have gotten him to use Firefox, OpenOffice, ABIword. I only need to switch him from Eudora, then he's getting Linux- I don't think he will even notice the difference; he doesn't even know what an OS is.
The light at the end of the tunnel is a train.
> but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch?
Why don't you find out for yourself.
There are some decisions in life that are important, and weighty, and have significant consequences...for those decisions, you should make sure you find out verything you know first before making them.
Choice of browser is not one of those decisions. It's a 5 meg download, then it's a case of clicking the globe with a red fox on it instead of the e with the halo. It's really not that hard, and you're not commited. You can always click the E again next time if it didn't work out clicking the fox.
Since you say you already use it, I'm a bit confused as to why you're asking. If you can't think of a reason, after having used it then just don't switch, keep uisng IE if it suits you ok, there's no shame in it.
Advanced users are users too!
I've been having a problem lately where I get an error message saying something like "/. not found" when I try to go back to Slashdot. Not really related, I just found it funny - I often times can't go back to Slashdot by hitting the back button.
Does it support mouse gestures, like Opera?
Opera has tabbed browsing and pop-ups blockers to, and it's fast. But been able to navigate just by pressing down the right button and moving the mouse is so addictive that I can't use any browser without this.
Why do the Mozilla team have a love of using Xprint as their printing engine?
OK, in theory it's a nice idea but all the implementations I've come across are really dire.
The Xprt servers are generally single threaded with performance which sucks rocks through straws, they often crash and in the end produce output which is hardly readable.
Trying to use Xprt in a distributed, multi-user environment is, to put it mildly, challenging. Because of the single threaded nature of the X Consortium's implementation of the Xprt server it will only allow one client to connect and print at any one time, so whenever anyone prints they act as a denial of service attack for everyone else. Not only this, but even with the 3rd party package installed which makes the Solaris Xprt server actually work the output to printers is not exactly good, with letters running into each other and in random colours.
Why can't Mozilla use one of the other, well debugged and functional print engines rather than the half-hearted and poorly implemented Xprint which has never worked properly since it was first implemented in X11R6?
Sometimes it feels like the Mozilla developers are so focused on the idea that the only users of their product will be single-user, single desktop machines. Oh, yes, I forgot, that's what most of them are developing on.
Agrajag: "Oh no, not again!"
Indeed, the developer tools for Mozilla rock. The best dev toolbar I've seen has to be the Web Developer Extension by Chris Spederick. It's AMAZING. I've been using the PNHToolbar for ages, but this one blows it away. The "View Style Information" targeting, where you then hover the mouse over any element and it displays the CSS heirarcy in the statusbar, makes it invaluable just for that feature alone.
(Props to glwtta for plugging it in the Firebird v0.9 story.)It appears that mozilla.org also supports opacity
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