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RF-Blocking Wallpaper

spitefulcrow writes "Silicon.com is reporting on a new application for RF-absorbing materials: Wallpaper that blocks Wi-Fi. BAE, the British defense contractor, has announced that the same material used to foil radar by stealth bombers can be used to selectively block certain frequencies and prevent wireless networking signals from entering or exiting a building. Is this the next take on lining the walls with lead?"

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  1. Wallpaper hats! by liamo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tinfoil is just so passee these days.

  2. I'm really busy by isoprophlex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I will be wonderful when the adhear this technology in movie cinemas so that the wankers sitting behind me who answer there phones during the films, can't take their "important calls".

    1. Re:I'm really busy by Barbarian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So place a red phone in every theatre with a low-level lit sign to show everyone where it is in an emergency.

    2. Re:I'm really busy by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Many people need to be contactable as part of their job. Do you want to exclude these people from the cinema completely?

      If being contactable means they have to spoil everyone else's enjoyment of the film, then...

      Yes. Absolutely. I want to exclude these people from the cinema completely.

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    3. Re:I'm really busy by aflat362 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I agree that cell phones are abused way too often. (Jerks taking useless calls in a theater is a prime example)

      However, we should never block cell phone reception anywhere.

      What if a doctor were to go watch a movie and one of his patients started dying and he needed to be contacted? What if a loved one were in an accident and people were trying to get ahold of you so you could possibly see them before they died?

      There are many scenarios where having cell reception is important.

      Just try to use the vibrate or silent mode. I can deal with people forgetting to turn their phones off in a movie (though I myself have the courtesy to turn mine off), as long as they don't yack on them in the theater.

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    4. Re:I'm really busy by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Serriosely if you job requires your assistance even when your in a cinema... and you can't escape for a measly 2 hours, get a new job.

      I'm a parent.

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    5. Re:I'm really busy by nacturation · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What if a doctor were to go watch a movie and one of his patients started dying and he needed to be contacted? What if a loved one were in an accident and people were trying to get ahold of you so you could possibly see them before they died?

      There are many scenarios where having cell reception is important.


      Man, what *did* people do before cell phones? Give out the public number to the theatre/opera/amusement park/restaurant/stadium's land line and have an employee come and get them if they got a call?

      Actually, an interesting note is that some classy restaurants offer this as a service. They ask you to forward your cell phone to a special number, let them know your name and where you're sitting, and the restaurant staff picks up the call and comes and gets you. "Excuse me, Mr. Smith, but you have a call. This way please..."

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  3. Why Not Just Encrypt? by afriguru · · Score: 5, Interesting
    UK defence contractor BAE Systems has developed a stealth wallpaper to beat electronic eavesdropping on company Wi-Fi and wired LANs.
    Instead of qoing through the hassle of covering a building with this wallpaper, why can't system admins just get into the habit of implementing encryption all the way (particularly for Wi-Fi networks?)
    1. Re:Why Not Just Encrypt? by Cska+Sofia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why take the risk of an outsider breaking your encryption if you can prevent their access to the signal in the first place?

    2. Re:Why Not Just Encrypt? by afriguru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The attacker may well be inside the building; business offices are generally not run as military zones! And what about the windows of the building; will they be covered too? Breaking high encryption is probably not as easy as bribing a staff member to for access.

    3. Re:Why Not Just Encrypt? by Richard_L_James · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The answer to your question is right at the start of the text you quoted:

      UK **defence** contractor

      For some applications encryption isn't enough. Note also that WEP is a commercial encryption system this means it is NOT secure enough for very serious military applications which is where technologies like this play a role by preventing leakage or blocking interference.

    4. Re:Why Not Just Encrypt? by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Why not just encrypt?"

      Uh, when's the last time you had the electrons from your monitor's gun encrypted on the way to the screen? Right, never. That's what i thought...there are many, many forms of RF that can give away what it is that you are doing on a computer...encryption is only the beginning of the game.

  4. Re:Tinfoil hat brigade? by CdBee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh Noes!

    Three people made the same joke in the same minute. This sucks. I am no longer original. Ahh sod it, I'm going streaking. Nobody else can have thought of that....

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  5. Interior decorating? by MachDelta · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude! Couple this with some lead-painted shingles, and a couple of those dentists X-ray aprons for curtains, and my house will finally be impenetrable to their prying eyes (and ears).

    At last! A sanctuary!

  6. Re:Great for paranoid nuts, useless for real peopl by rich_r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds good if you're doing a makeover of, say, a secure military area.
    Obviously you can still pipe stuff through wires. (you know, those plastic/rubber coated strings of metal? remember them?)

  7. Is it just me or ... by orin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you were concerned enough about Wi-Fi security to buy this stuff, wouldn't you consider Wi-Fi enough of a security problem to ban it from your network environment? And what if this stuff doesn't come in the right color? Also - does anyone use IPSec on Wi-Fi networks? (given that WEP can be cracked with a large enough data capture)

    1. Re:Is it just me or ... by Homology · · Score: 4, Informative
      Also - does anyone use IPSec on Wi-Fi networks? (given that WEP can be cracked with a large enough data capture)

      OpenBSD has built-in support for IPSec, so it was quite easy to setup for WiFi. The OpenBSD firewall at home is functioning as an access point, and only IPSec related/authenticated traffic is allowed. So when I boot up the older laptop - that is also running OpenBSD - I'm up and running securely. And fast, since no encryption is done on the WiFi chipset, and thus freeing the chipset for handling packets only.

      OpenBSD really makes it straightforward to setup a secure, functional and stable home gateway.

  8. It'll never take off. by dj245 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have you any idea how much harder it is to make hats out of wallpaper than it is out of tinfoil?

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  9. We do not like the term paranoid nuts by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Funny

    we prefer the term reality-challenged.

    Hey, I had to make a joke about something. 3 other people took my tin-foil hat joke :(

  10. RTFA by cperciva · · Score: 5, Informative

    This means that you can not use WLAN, cellphones and terrestrial TV/Radio. Is this really what you want?

    Quoth the article:
    The company has produced panels using the technology to produce a screen that will prevent outsiders from listening in on companies' Wi-Fi traffic but let other radio and mobile phone traffic get through.

  11. Interesting by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For sometime i've wanted to have my main workstation off the network, grid and inside a faraday cage. But think about how ridiculous that would be/look? The other machines in the house would be okay to leave alone, but i'd want at least one that i knew was safe (data transfers would be on extreme need only, i.e. data sets into and encrypted messeges written inside).

    But i'm getting away from my original point: this is sweetness. No, it's not exactly what i'm looking for, but it's a stop in the correct direction. Think you've never had a neighbor whom owns a 900MHz scanner? Anyway, i think this is great. You and i both know that information, its protection, secure dissemenation, and reliability of said information are the weapons of the upcoming century. You need to have your data safe whether you think so or not, so the more things like this the better.

  12. Re:Great for paranoid nuts, useless for real peopl by arivanov · · Score: 5, Informative

    Quite usefull for setting test environments as well. In fact, extremely useful if you are working on cellular infrastructure or any other radio equipment that operates in a licensed band.

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  13. Okay, nice idea but... by KitFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about the windows and doors? RF goes through them too. I could just see somebody wallpapering their ceiling also. (It's such a lovely print though!)

    It really strikes me as a product for the "Security-Concerned-But-Uninformed", because I really wonder how many companies that want to use this will block other means of RF egress. And those that don't will simply have a false sense of security and a big hole in their "defenses".

    Believe me, I'm literally right across the hall from a "RF-Secure" room at times, and that has EVERYTHING covered in every direction, windows, doors, floor and ceiling.

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  14. forget walls. by ross.w · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want to put this stuff on my car.

    No more radar speed traps!

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  15. Re:I know it's not tin foil, but.... by Fishstick · · Score: 5, Funny
    Not nearly as effective or attractive as aluminum. ;-P

    Aluminum is the perfect medium for constructing an AFDB
    1. Get a five foot sheet of aluminum foil (standard one foot wide Reynolds Wrap brand will do nicely.)
    2. Fold the sheet four times into five equal segments so that you end up with a 1x1 foot square, making sure that you fold over the dull side of the foil leaving the square shiny* on both sides.
    3. Use scissors to cut from one corner of the square to the center, making a straight line.
    4. Bend the foil from one side of the cut under the other, making a slight cone. Again, make sure that the outside of the cone has a shiny side of the foil; this is VERY important.
    5. Place the cone on your head and squash the top and sides to make it fit snugly.
    6. Apply Scotch tape liberally making sure to secure the cut in the foil and any form-fitting creases made in step 5.
    7. Use more tape to secure AFDB to your cranium.

    *A Note About The Shiny Side:
    It can't be stressed enough how important it is to have the shiny side pointing out. This is needed because the shiny side is most reflective to psychotronic radiation, while the dull side can actually, in certain environmental conditions, absorb it. However, as is illustrated in the instructions above, it is also wise to complement this with a layer of foil pointing shiny side in. This will keep your brain waves, which are also reflected by the shiny side, from being picked up by mind-reading equipment. There is a small number of aluminum foil researchers who believe that this may cause an alpha-wave harmonic to build up in the skull resulting in memory loss or pseudo-religious visions, but their findings have never been replicated by the aluminum foil research community at large. Even if their findings are validated, the risk involved is small compared to the potential of mind-intrusion.
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  16. Re:Nice and all, but who's going to use it? by Richard_L_James · · Score: 4, Informative
    I mean, if you have such sensitive data that you need to install this, why not simply use copper cables

    Copper cables are far too easy to detect and physically tap. For really sensitive applications fibre-optic cables are used. A classic text book example being the use of fibre optics to link up scud missiles launchers in Iraq.

  17. Re:I know it's not tin foil, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    For Linux users, MindGuard, free software that turns your computer into an effective mind control ray jammer!

    MindGuard is a program for Amiga and Linux computers that protects your mind by actively jamming and/or scrambling psychotronic mind-control signals and removing harmful engrammic pollutants from your brain. It also has the ability to scan for and decipher into English specific signals so you can see exactly Who wants to control you and what They are trying to make you think.

    MindGuard works by leveraging your computer's aluminum-based innards to both detect and emit psychotronic energy using advanced quasi-quantum techniques. Once a mind-control signal is identified and analyzed, MindGuard can generate a specially tuned anti-signal that will jam the incomming signal. If MindGuard is unable to properly identify the signal, it will generate psychotronic white noise to ensure the signal's harmful message is scrambled.

  18. Alright...! by igrp · · Score: 4, Funny
    BAE, the British defense contractor, has announced that the same material used to foil radar by stealth bombers can be used to selectively block certain frequencies and prevent wireless networking signals from entering or exiting a building.
    So... what they're saying is that all I need now is a whole bunch of their wallpaper and a cessna and I could have my very own stealth plane?

    Cool... Be the first kid on your block to own your own flower wall paper stealth plane.

  19. Shielding is Hard by Detritus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Assuming that you cover the walls with this stuff, you still have to worry about the floor, ceiling, windows, doors, ventilation ducts, plumbing and electrical wiring, plus any holes or gaps in the shielding. Then there is telephone, LAN and video wiring to worry about.

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  20. Radar detection by hashwolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the British defense contractor, has announced that the same material used to foil radar by stealth bombers can be used to selectively block certain frequencies and prevent wireless networking signals from entering or exiting a building.

    In a related article:
    Wallpaper coated cessna evades radar detection.

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  21. Perfect for theaters and airplanes by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stuff like this will restore the peace and quiet to theaters and restaurants. And the passive nature of the material means it should not run afoul of U.S. FCC regs on "interference" (I don't know about other countries' rules).

    Assuming the material is actually absorptive (not reflective) at cell-phone frequencies, it would also reduce the passage of cellphone signals into and out of airplanes and reduce any chance of passenger's cell phone transmissions from interfering with the airplane's electronics or the ground-based cells they are flying over.

    Finally, they could use the stuff to help separate WiFi networks in office and apartment buildings. A layer of the stuff under the carpet or in the ceiling would keep wifi signals confined to a single tenant's floor or section of the building so that different tenant's wireless nets don't collide.

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  22. Re:I know it's not tin foil, but.... by Fishstick · · Score: 5, Informative
    RTFWS:

    * FOOTNOTE: The American spelling** of aluminum is used here. If you are searching for more information on aluminum, be aware that the British spell it "aluminium" (and pronounce it accordingly).

    ** HISTORICAL FOOTNOTE: Aluminum was originally named "alumium" by Sir Humphry Davy, who later changed it to "aluminum" (perhaps in an attempt to make it more Latinized since alumen is Latin for alum, the aluminum compound that the name is derived from). The British (and allied English speakers) shortly thereafter changed the name once more, this time to "aluminium" so that it would again match the pattern of most other elements (helium, sodium, etc.), while the North Americans eventually decided to keep the second, slightly more traditional name. I predict that North Americans will adopt the more regular "-ium" spelling by the year 2050, prompting the British to start calling it "alumininium". At that point debate can begin on changing "platinum" to "platinium"

    ;-)

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  23. lead walls? by ylikone · · Score: 4, Funny

    After all the effort everyone has gone through to get rid of lead-based paint on the walls?

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  24. Yes, hospitals too. by teidou · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most people don't understand why hospitals would use this: every hospital I have worked in would be interested.

    Cell phones, even by being on can affect drug infusion pumps: it is not good to have the infusion rate spontaneously jump from 1 mL/min to 100mL/min. What's worse is that some people don't know the difference between "standby" and "off" - they think just not using it will turn off the transceiver. (Yeah, yeah, Snopes says it's not a big problem. They're FOS on this one: it really does happen).

    Some visitors argue it is a problem with the medical equipment and they should get to keep their phone on: 1) possibly a valid point, but the fact is that patient health is threatened by the phone, and 2) the historic FCC position is that RF shall not interfere with other equipment. (Incidenally, new medical equipment is better shielded (hinted at on the FDA website).

    Finally, to the genius who wants to point out that many hospitals are using wireless for notebook computing and wireless monitoring: 1) those in use are on different frequencies than cell phones, and 2) they are very carefully tested before implementation, (Also, I'm not sure on this point, but I believe they are probably less powerful than cell phones; this is why repeaters are in every hallway rather than just one on the roof. If the wallpaper is just on the exterior of the building, I doubt it would not interfere with current use).

    Teidou

    1. Re:Yes, hospitals too. by Myself · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While you're right that it's the transmitter's responsibility not to cause interference, I still think it's dangerously irresponsible to keep old machines in service that've proven themselves unreliable in the face of common interference.

      You make an excellent point that the WLANs used in hospitals are very low power. Yes, they put APs every few yards down the hallways, so that the portable devices never have to step up their transmit power to reach one.

      The solution to the cell phone problem in hospitals is to put base station equipment IN the hospital and run Radiax down the hallways. Alternately, just put cell sites as close to the building as possible. When the phones can reach a tower easily, they'll limit their output power accordingly.

      This is also the counterintuitive solution to the weenies who protest when a cellphone company wants to put a tower near the high school. (This frequently happens when an athletic field is getting new lights.) Compare a cordless phone to a moonbounce transmission, which requires more power?

      The first mobile phones weren't cellular, there was a single base station in the center of town. The powers used were on the order of 50 watts, so it's a good thing the vehicle-mounted antenna was several feet from the handset. When cellular was developed, it meant you were always within a mile or two of a tower, so the power levels decreased drastically. Phones reduce their output power in response to requests from the tower, because it's easier for the tower to "hear" the faint phones if the near phones aren't screaming.

      Shielding the place into an RF hole is counterproductive. In the event that someone forgets to turn their phone off, it'll sit there chirping out its maximum transmit power every once in a while, searching for a tower it can't find. Worse yet, it'll maintain contact with a tower it can just barely hear, only if it really blasts out the RF. This helps nobody.

  25. This scream "health issue" by shpoffo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does this sound to anyone else as causing similar problems as reported by a study from the UK (reported here on /.) about cel phone usage in trains raising the ambient radiation levels about those deemed safe by regulatory committees? When the waves are 'blocked' I get the sense that they're reflected back into the space. Probalby makes for a stronger signal, but you'll also get radiation build-up, and perhaps focusing effects - where you'll get small spaces where there will be a literal 'hot spot.' Everyone could go and set their food on the left corner of the third filing cabinet from the end of Dave's cubicle for a few minutes to heat it up before lunch......

    yuck

    .
    -shpoffo

  26. RF-Blocking Wallpaper by Alexis+de+Torquemada · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds good, where can I download it?

  27. My parents were doing this when I was a kid by macemoneta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My mom always loved the foil/felt (flock) wallpapers in our dining room, when I was growing up (about 40 years ago). The foil was always grounded, because it went under the (metal) outlet and switch covers, which in turn grounded to the (metal) box. I know the foil was conductive, because we once had a two-wire appliance short to it's metal case (before the days of 'double insulated' design), and I got a shock touching the wall and appliance.

    Maybe companies selling this kind of wallpaper should rebrand it as inexpensive high-tech (but low cost) Faraday shielding. And maybe the defense agency could save a few billion dollars by using an off-the-shelf solution. Nah.

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  28. I know a man who had this in the Eighties... by qtp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The computer room (floor, walls, and ceiling) was lined with akluminized wallpaper, the window had an aluminum screen. His own home-built faraday cage.

    As he did not have wi-fi, I beleive that he was more concerned with preventing eavesdropping of his CRTs rf feild. There were other CS guys (from the uni) who did the same thing.

    As he my first real programming teacher, I always assumed that the tech to "tempest" a CRT was available then. Tapping WiFi is undoubtably a magnitude simpler.

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  29. National Security by Moblaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    I keep telling my mom that my room is classified and off-limits. Now with my Stealth-fighter wallpaper, I'll be able to call the Feds any time she breaches the perimeter.

  30. so-- the obvious solution by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Insightful

    wrap the drug infusion pumps...
    I bet it would cost a lot less than wallpapering the entire hospital...

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  31. Relaxation by beforewisdom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now the truly paranoid can come home from work and relax by taking their foil hats off - unless - the material used to make the wall paper is fault.

    Heh, this whole story is probably fictitious. A plot from the government to get citizens who are on to them to let down their good.

    Phew, almost got suckered in.

  32. Re:I know it's not tin foil, but.... by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Informative
    match the pattern of most other elements (helium, sodium, etc.)

    The pattern of most other metals, not most other elements. Every element ending in -ium is a metal except helium. The latter was first observed on the sun, via spectrometry, and was believed to be a metal, so it was named "sun metal" in Latin. By the time it was found on earth, it was too late to change the name.

    rj

  33. then put the damn phone on VIBRATE and call back by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm a parent.

    That's nice. Put your phone on vibrate. When it rings and says "Home" (or worse, the sitter's cell phone #) get up, go into the hallway, and answer it. If you're not fast enough, witness the wonder of using the "missed calls" list. This is also why god invented text messaging, which we Americans just haven't seemed to figure out quite yet. "Nick is screaming for his ba-wa-na, what/where is that?" "Joey ran into the wall, at e-room, hes ok but need med insurance info". Etc.

    Incidentally, for well over half a decade people went to the cinema, dinner, etc and left their kids behind with a sitter...with no cell phone. Don't give me this "I'm a parent, I simply must be within seconds contact of my children at all times" bullshit.

  34. lining the walls with lead? by dougmc · · Score: 4, Informative
    Is this the next take on lining the walls with lead?
    No, it's not. To block a RF signal all you need is a faraday cage -- which can even have lots of holes in it (like a wire cage) as long as the holes are a good deal smaller than the wavelength of the signal you're trying to keep out.

    Wrapping the whole places in tinfoil would work nicely as well, as long as you don't leave any holes. No need to go to anything as heavy as lead, unless you're trying to block things like X-rays or gamma rays.