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norburym writes "This is not an intro Linux book for your mom. Well, actually it's an intro Linux book for the author's mom! Linux for Non-Geeks came about by virtue of Rickford Grant's desire to create an easy to follow guidebook to installing, configuring and using Linux for his mom who, at 72, was on a fixed income. Her erstwhile son suggested giving her an old box of his with Linux installed. Willing to go along, she asked for book suggestions to learn about Linux. Stumped by the meager offerings, Grant decided to write up a set of instructions on his own. Egged on by relatives and friends to subsequently publish his manuscript, Penguinistas the world over can now rejoice! A far cry from dumbed down editions of how-to comic book style manuals from other publishers, No Starch Press has adopted a smart series of books for the capable, no nonsense audience; those folks who are not afraid to try new things and who want a clear and (more importantly) practical approach to enhancing their skill set. This book is a stand out in that series." Read on for the rest of norburym's review. Linux For Non-Geeks, A Hands-On, Project-Based, Take-It-Slow Guidebook author Rickford Grant pages 336 publisher No Starch Press rating 8 reviewer Mary Norbury-Glaser ISBN 1593270348 summary A Hands-On, Project-Based, Take-It-Slow Guidebook

The title explains exactly how Grant's book is laid out. It's for Windows users, Mac users, and new or inexperienced Linux users who are non-geeks (or wannabe-geeks) and who are itching to take the plunge into Linux without having to wade through a multitude of books aimed at power users, online HOWTOs, weblogs and IRC channels. This is one volume with enough worthy information to credit the cost of the $34.95 investment.

The content is based on Redhat's Fedora Core and includes CDs for installation. As such, the author has chosen to go with the default Fedora desktop, GNOME. Choices have to be made: Fedora Core vs. Mandrake vs. SUSE vs. Xandros etc., and GNOME vs. KDE vs. Enlightenment, etc. Grant has chosen stability and ease of use, and he has chosen well. Fedora would have been Redhat 10, had Redhat gone that route. They didn't and we can all lament the changes the company has launched toward focusing on corporate gains or we can move on. Moving on, we can see immediately that Fedora Core is excellent and if Red Hat's idea in Fedora's community focus is to go the Debian route and have lots of experienced eyes taking care of this project, then it will continue to be excellent. Once you get into this book and get your fancy tickled by Fedora and GNOME, go wild. 'Nuff said.

The first two chapters of the book cover the 'penguinista' mindset (why you're even looking at a book on Linux), hardware compatibility and the install process. Easy enough, and Grant does a great job of leading the reader through this process. It's the scary part, after all! Once the deed is done, the reader is introduced to Chapter 3, 'A New Place to Call Home'. Gnome is the desktop of choice and the author goes into detail, easing the reader through a wealth of GUI options. Lots of screenshots and photos give the reader a clear sense of what to expect when they are navigating through the choices. Lots of time is spent on customizing and some may find this trivial but there is nothing more frustrating to the beginner than being told to "click click click" when they aren't comfortable finding the correct windows, buttons and choices. After spending some time on this chapter, the reader will be able to progress through the book with confidence.

Connecting to the Internet is the next chapter, with information presented on hardware, connection options, using the browser, email and IM. The Internet is a must-have so this chapter is well placed. Get 'em going and they'll keep plugging along!

Once the reader is up and running, a side road is taken for those who want to get more familiar with the GUI and who like to tweak everything to look as individual (and tacky) and they can.

After getting on the Web, printing is probably next on the list in importance. Grant dedicates Chapter 6 to explaining how the reader can achieve good printing karma with printer support, printing to PDF, changing settings and handling queues.

Part one of external media is covered next, with an introduction in to floppies (whaaaa?), data and music CD reading/playing/burning, and ISOs (an absolutely necessary part of life for Linux users, especially since we all tend to experiment with different distros when they become available!).

With Chapter 8, we get into the core of every OS user's skill set, no matter how newbie the newbie is, one thing everyone wants to know how to do on their platform of choice: how to install applications (did I say "games"?). Grant gives the reader a very well written chapter on package management, walking the reader gently through four examples, including Skoosh and -- woo-hoo!! -- Frozen Bubble (well, we all need Frozen Bubble!). He even gives the reader a taste of "dependency hell" (don't panic! It's a controlled environment!). There will be a few folks who complain that RPM is Redhat-centric thinking and they'd be right. We are working with Fedora Core after all. Remember the "'Nuff said" above'?. Grant later presents chapters on APT and Synaptic and also on compiling a program from source so the reader has ample chance to get geeky.

A (too short) chapter on the terminal and the command line is wedged in between with practice projects on pyWings and pyChing that brings it all home. Part two of data management comes next, covering USB storage devices and the Windows partition, if there is one. Chapters 13 and 14 deal in depth with music (audio formats, mp3 support, apps like Grip, Rhythmbox and XMMS) and 'getting arty with the GIMP' (including how to scan and use your digital camera).

Then, it's back to business, with several chapters dedicated to workplace productivity and what options are available to Linux users in a 'dark side' dominated world. Grant looks at several office suites including OpenOffice.org (the clear winner) as well as KOffice and some stand-alone apps like AbiWord, Dia, Gcalctool and GPdf. There is also quite a bit of excellent coverage on fonts (a must read!) and finally, language support within Linux.

Now, if everything is working well so far and you can connect to the Internet, print, get your work done and play games. So what's left? Doing it all from your living room, bedroom, even bathroom! In short, going wireless. Grant succinctly explains what it means, what you need and how to do it.

The last few chapters of the book deal with bits and pieces of necessary information that are essential to the reader for further Linux exploration: system settings and system updates, KDE, 'odds and ends' and the requisite troubleshooting section for "uh oh, now what do I do now?" moments. Lots of help and resources round out the book.

A few things could have been expanded on or included: a bit more on firewalls and internet security (we are not entirely immune, after all), handling email attachments is missing (the author promises an update to this on his web site), something on yum and device installation; the slim description of installing a CD-RW drive in the book merely refers the reader to his web site where one can download PDF instructions ...hmmm, that seems a bit skimpy. Installing drives and cards (especially sound cards) would have been a nice chapter on its own, especially since this would most likely require re-compiling the kernel. The reference to this on Grant's web site results in a 'broken' pdf link and no obvious way to alert the author to the damaged file.

At this writing, there are only a few errata but it would be wise to take a peek at Grant's site before delving too deeply into the book.

Overall, I like how Grant chose to lay out his chapters; he's anticipated the needs and expectations of the level of reader he's targeting and placed well-constructed topics in a logical series of chapters. Nicely balanced information for a new Linux user, an on again/off again Linux user or for the switcher (is that trademarked?!). Other distros will be a short leap after reading this one volume. So yes, I lied: Linux for Non-Geeks is for your mom -- and for you, too, come to think of it. (And are those references to Vonnegut scattered about? Erudite crowd, Linux folk, yes?)

You can purchase Linux For Non-Geeks, A Hands-On, Project-Based, Take-It-Slow Guidebook from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, carefully read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  1. "Erstwhile"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...desire to create an easy to follow guidebook to installing, configuring and using Linux for his mom who, at 72, was on a fixed income. Her erstwhile son suggested giving her an old box of his with Linux installed....


    I do not think it means what you think it means.

    See here.
    1. Re:"Erstwhile"? by HelbaSluice · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simple. She got so confused trying to install and run Linux using his book that she disowned him.

  2. Dude, she's a MILF!!! by weeboo0104 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mom Installing Linux Fervently

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  3. But why would non-geeks want to run Linux? by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can think of one major reason. Security. Actually, given how bad windows security has been lately, I'd recommend that most users not use windows unless their geeks and know how to keep it clean, and free of Spyware. I already install mozilla whenever I come across a Spyware infected machine. There is some Spyware that infects mozilla on win32. (The user gets a warning about installing XPI, but it's not even as menacing as IE ActiveX warnings. On the other hand, many Spyware programs install themselves via security holes in IE)

    Running as non-root on a Linux machine is much safer for the naiveté surfer then running windows.

    We'll have to see how XP SP2 fares as far as protecting users from all the people who want to rape them.

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    1. Re:But why would non-geeks want to run Linux? by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Strange argument, the ones that cant keep windows secure, not an immensly difficult task these days with the tools available, are the ones least likely to be able to run linux, or are you suggesting they install something friendly like linspire or whatever its called today which runs as root by default I believe?

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    2. Re:But why would non-geeks want to run Linux? by sqlrob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless one of those tools is a hardware firewall/router, it is an impossible task, especially for the non-geek.

      My father is set up with Linux, and doesn't know squat about computers. He has no problems with it whatsoever (well, over and above the same PEBKAC ones that existed with Windows as well). Of course, he doesn't *maintain* that system, I do. He doesn't know what root is or even that it exists.

      A HW firewall would have been a more expensive and difficult proposition in his case - dialup. How common are dialup routers (no, I don't mean "do they exist", I mean walk into Best Buy or Comp-USA and get one).

      The average time between connection to the ISP and a Blaster hit was 8 seconds. Nimda was 2 and a half minutes. (Times are from a little less than a year ago) How is a non-geek going to protect a Windows system from that?

    3. Re:But why would non-geeks want to run Linux? by jazman_777 · · Score: 5, Funny

      reason #4: babe magnet.

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  4. In other words... by lboxman · · Score: 5, Funny

    This IS TFM

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    1. Re:In other words... by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other words...

      This IS TFM


      I thought that was the Kama Sutra.

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    2. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Considering that the story involves a 72 year old woman, that's not the sort of image I like to get while I'm eating.

  5. Normal People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be nice if it actually got more normal people to start using Linux?

  6. More! More! More! by Metteyya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linux community definitely needs more books like that and users like that. Only increase of Linux desktop boxes can push software developers/companies to writing their for-now-Windows-only software for penguin system.
    Additionaly, this is the only way to surpass the chicken-egg problem, as software companies aren't willing to (as we can see today) port their software to non-Windows.
    So, kudos to author!

    1. Re:More! More! More! by penguinland · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, this is wonderful. As a person who considers themself a geek, but does not know very much about Linux, I think this book could be marvelous for me. I've been wanting to switch for a while now (sadly, I'm still on XP Home). The thing that's kept me back is that I don't know how to use Linux well, and don't know what questions to ask to get better at it. I have a box running RedHat 7-or-so, but I screwed it up by changing something I apparently shouldn't have (I can't find my programs as root anymore :-P). This lack of Linux know-how has been my main reason for sticking to windows, and now hopefully, I'll be able to change that. If more people could write books like this, the world would be a pretty great place.

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    2. Re:More! More! More! by eille-la · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looking at computers users now, in western coutries, I wonder if the people not using desktop computers (ms windows) will ever do. These ones are probaly relatively old compared to the younger who have been raised in a much more computer supported society.

      Brand new average young users have no problem at all to explore enough the desktop computer and software in order to do what he wants. I think the culture now make this easy.

      Young users can already figure out how to get things done if you present them an installed and ready to use KDE screen. But there is some lacks (which would be a long offtopic post) that show, compared to windows, that usability isnt good enough yet.

      There is a market for the light-geeks who buy the "for dummies" books about everything (how to burn CDs, etc). But to get the majority on a diferant (free) OS you have to make it usable as easily as windows is now. After you can think selling these useless books to everyone who will want to buy them.

      And for the ones who will cry about "linux should not try to copy windows!":
      Windows is a model of usability that the world currently know and use everyday.
      You must integrate many similar aspect of usability if you want people to switch to free os one day.
      And of course there is many good things in windows, thats not all bad. But being a closed source os simply make it as evolutive as a very little and simple blue painted plastic piece lost in a desert (a big desert).

  7. Speaking of red hats... by jejones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ever hear of the Red Hat Society? It's a society inspired by that "When I am old I shall wear purple..." poem. I think Red Hat is missing a neat tie-in by not giving Red Hat Society members Fedora Core discs, or maybe this book. Hordes of older women using Linux would pretty well put a stake in the heart of the "Linux is too hard to use" BS.

  8. Re:At least it's not a "For Dummies" book by TheAdventurer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I buy them if I need to learn about something they cover. I am confident enough in my intelligence not to be put off by a silly book name. ;)

  9. Hello Granma. by xenostar · · Score: 5, Funny

    - Oh, Hello Grandma, what'd you get me for Christmas this year? - Well, me and grandpa thought about it and decided to give you... our .bash_profiles. Hope you like them.

  10. Business Plan by DaveKAO · · Score: 5, Funny

    1.) Have sad story about good'ol Mom.
    2.) Write Geekish book and get free PR on slashdot.
    3.) ???
    4.) Profit!!!

  11. Re:At least it's not a "For Dummies" book by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Funny

    I won't buy those on principle even if they may contain pertinent information on a subject I'd like to learn about.

    Agreed. I won't buy any Dummies books, for the same reasons I wouldn't buy the popular Calculus for Fuckwit Retards or Programming for Crackhead Asshats.

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  12. Non-Geek Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely the first chapters must be devoted to the great Linux jihads!

    Chap 1: Gentoo is t3h 1 4 u
    Chap 2: KDE was here first
    Chap 3: Becoming a man of vi
    Chap 4: What of Redmond? (Onward Linux Soldiers)

    Hell if they're going to be linux users, the least we can do is teach them the basics, eh?

    Then the appendices --

    Appendix A: How Are You Gentlemen? (Blending in)
    Appendix B: Attacking Your Leaders (They're blowhards, hackers, they're blowhards!)
    Appendix C: Forums of Attack (Slashdot, Installfests, LUG meetings, etc.)

  13. non-geeks ? by Tsiangkun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I only have very limited experience with non-geeks using linux, but my experience has shown that they don't read, and don't think they should have to read to use linux. My non-geeks don't even pretend to solve or diagnose the problems, they just call for help immediately. I think the non-geeks this book would help most, are those already solving their problems using google.

  14. Mothers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Somewhat sick and tired of sorting out my mother's PC from virii, trojans, spyware ad infinitum. I wiped her box and installed RH (should have used Debian in retrospect).

    Interestingly, once she knew which icons were for email, word processing and browsing, she was off. Her only problem was when her ISP changed dial-up telephone numbers, and the moron on support only had windows experience (or script). He claimed that the service she'd been using fine over the last year didn't actually work with Linux. A quick ssh and change of telephone numbers had her online again(*).

    She even found out how to add a new printer on her own, something she never managed to do with windows.

    (*): The telephone number changed meant that the previous low rate number became a standard cost per minute, and massively increased her cost of being online. The ISP didn't bother to notify her, and it wasn't until she got a phone bill that was 5x higher than normal that we knew something was afoot.

  15. Seems like a good book to support by grunt107 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am setting up a Linux (JDS) system for my grandparents, who keep saying they'll never learn. To this end I have been creating a screen-captured document of the common tasks (login, read email, reply to email, delete email, fwd email, create/open documents in OOo, play CD). This book may shortcut some of this. The easier something is to understand the more often it gets used.

  16. Rickford Grant's Mom comments on the article by iMaple · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am a geek, You insensitive clod !!!
    Rickford Grant's Mom

  17. My statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, I have come to a conclusion. I have silently read Slashdot for several years and have seen COUNTLESS references to this on-going project of having "mom use Linux".

    Today, I came to a realization. Each and every poster on Slashdot has a mom-fetish. That is the ONLY explanation. Every mention of mom is either posted or moderated up. Mom mom mom.

    Christ, quit with this horrid maternal obsession, please.

  18. Linux for Non-Geeks? by Alexis+de+Torquemada · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blasphemy! Burn the heretic and his unholy scribblings at the stake! Oh, ye cursed, ye fool! You'll have worse things to worry about than dependency hell. May Saint Ignucius have mercy on yer wicked soul.

    Alexis de Torquemada

    Chief Inquisitor

  19. A trend? by mratitude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One can only hope. When I first admitted that I was interested in C programming (remember Power C's $20 compiler and libs?) I was scrounging for books that would definitively explain C programming from the point of view of a novice, NOT a programmer!. In the early 90's, that nearly didn't exist. The technical priesthood still held sway and they did demand their tithe.

    The early Linux efforts at documentation carried through with the priesthood mentality - Every person writing the documentation just assumed you already knew what he or she knew and what they wrote offered only what he or she thought you needed to know. Not all mind you, but most.

    Which is the worst assumption any writer can ever make, IMHO.

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  20. Good timing by bludstone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just installed my first linux (mandrake 10) this weekend.

    Of course, im a geek. Not a linux geek, mind you, but still a geek.

    Im having fun discovering a whole NEW slew of prolems to deal with. Of course, these are slight more managable then the ones i used to deal with :-)

    google, slashdot, and random linux gurus online have been wonderful. thanks folks! :D

    I should pick this up.

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  21. Some more good reasons. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Security is nice but the big deal for me is all the beautiful, first class software that comes with any Linux distribution. This essentially boils down to KDE/Gnome, but the list goes on and on.
    1. Uptime. Nothing sucks so much as having to open everything I WAS working on every other day or so.
    2. Window managers with multiple desktops. One is not enough to organize work and play.
    3. Modern Browsers, Konqueror, Mozilla, even Galleon. Where would I be without tabs, pop-up blocking, and everything else modern browsers offer?
    4. Modern mail clients. Kontact, Kmail, Evolution, Balsa even. Kontact rocks for syncs to my handheld computer. What do you get with Windoze, a mail client that lacks a spell checker?
    5. GIMP and friends.
    6. K3B and Eroaster for burning CDs.
    7. No DRM to mess with my music. It is very nice to know that ogg won't go away and neither will any of my legitimately gotten music.
    8. APT, for getting all of the above without much trouble.
    9. The ease of install. Mepis goes on in 30 minutes or less and gives you everything the average user could want. One CD that runs live so you know it all works.

    That's a short list. I could think of more.

    Free software is more than stable and hard to break, it's excellent in every way these days. Fedora is very good too and addressing all of the reasons I moved to Debian based distributions two years ago but doing it with the same Red Hat ease of use I sometimes miss. The new interfaces are beautiful and functional.

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  22. FYI About Mozilla Spyware by Anthracks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't believe that vulnerability exists anymore in Firefox 0.9 / Mozilla 1.7. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238684 if you're interested in the details, but basically that patch made unrequested attempts to install an XPI illegal, sort of like how the pop-up blocker works. You have to click a link or something along those lines for the request to be valid.

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  23. Re:At least it's not a "For Dummies" book by kfg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sympathetic magic is the belief that like effects like. Stick a pin in the likeness of someone and he'll feel pain, break a stick to protect against snakes, etc.

    Ultimately this was applied to words as well. The practice of "spelling" comes out of the belief that a word for something "is" that something, in the same manner that a voodoo doll "is" the person it represents. There is an innate "sympathy" between the noun and the thing it represents. A modern psuedo scientist might call them an "entangle pair" on his website trying to sell you secret mystical books of power (a grammar).

    So the idea that I'm trying to convey is that I am not influenced by the book being assigned to "dummies" or that it has the spelling "dummies" on its cover. It has no hold on or power over me. I may purchase it, borrow it from the library, read it, absorb its contents, but that does not in any way make me, or imply that I am, a "dummy" because that is just an arbitrary sound/collection of letters arbitrarily assigned by some marketing geek (in the pejoritive sense of the word) who believes in sympathetic magic.

    Plus I have this magic crystal that some gypsy women sold me to protect me from "dummies" books.

    I don't suffer the editions that treat me like a dummy gladly, however. Some of their authors apparently don't have a magic crystal.

    KFG

  24. Set yourself Linux tasks by Brandon+Glass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only way to really learn Linux is to get something into your head that you want to do, and then start taking a step by step approach to accomplishing it. For example, set yourself the goal of setting up a mail server, for example, and then start researching what steps need to be taken. Break the task down into sub-sections: Installing the operating system, securing the distribution of your choice, installing the neccessary packages, etc.

    I think that learning Linux seems a huge task to you at the moment not because it's beyond you, but because you have no direction in terms of what you want to do with Linux. I believe that almost everyone has the capability of running Linux successfully, but I don't think that it's suitable for all purposes, yet.

    I agree that books like this will help bring some people to Linux, but unless they actually have something in mind that they want to use Linux for, they won't get past the "installed Linux and messed around with KDE/Gnome a bit" stage.

  25. Re:A polished turd still smells by sktea · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An Anonymous Coward wrote:
    I don't think you can make a complex-often-broken-thing fit into the mainstream by writing a book about the complex-often-broken-thing targeted to the mainstream.... I am the most tech savy person that I know.

    The word is "savvy." ("Damn that spell-checker! Why didn't it do its job?!")

    Out of curiosity, coward, what distros of Linux did you use? All of my dual-boot experiences with Windows (XP, 2K, ME) and Linux (Mandrake, Redhat, Fedora -- core 1 not core 2) have been good thus far.

    You seem to imply that Linux is more complex than Windows; I would not say so. Different, more involved, sure. Windows is complex too, only Microsoft made it look simple... flash and ease of use sell, or Windows wouldn't rule the commercial PC market. But sometimes too simple, IMHO. I call it the law of conservation of intelligence: broadly, the more intelligence you build into the tool, the less intelligence the tool user is willing to expend to figure out how to make it work.

    Regarding polished turds... I have a bias toward function, myself: I care comparatively little about the design or form if the underlying function is sufficient. Case in point: I maintain a few Linux servers whose interface consists of a command line. I have done little or nothing to make the administrative interface(s) user-friendly, which is of little matter if they work. In a pinch, I can direct a technician simply to reboot a server if it fouls up, but none have, since frankly they're too simple for much to go wrong. Polished, no. But it works.

    Then you've got Windows, which looks great, but occasionally -- okay, frequently -- has problems. I tend to focus on security, as that's my field, and Windows is not terribly secure. Polished, yes.

    Now which one, of Windows or Linux, would I call a polished turd?

    Of course there's a big difference between servers and workstations, although Microsoft successfully blurred that distinction years ago... sure, I run Windows XP, though I've hacked it a bit so not EVERY process runs in the system context, and installed so many third party add-on security products (antivirus, antispyware, antietc.) that it's noticeably slower than the hour of the initial install.

    I also run KDE, Gnome and Fluxbox. FWIW I tend to prefer Fluxbox; in fact I downloaded Blackbox for Windows and plan to give it a try.

    Anyway, what do you want out of your PC? If you want simple setup and operation, or compatibility with specific third-party apps, go with Windows. (But backup your data often.) If you want something generally more reliable, less demanding on your hardware and easier to control, give Linux or BSD a try. And maybe buy a book like this next time.

    (Last minute relevancy to topic -- yes!)

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  26. if it's new... by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .. then the vendor should do it as a courtesy before it leaves the store. In fact, they should be updating those machines as they sit around waiting to be sold.

    Patches should be treated like a "recall", in fact, IMO, people would take them more seriously if they WERE recalls. People understand a "recall".

    Of course, ignore all that, most people won't do quat until after it's hosed... what was I thinking...