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iTMS Europe: 800,000 Tracks In A Week

no_demons writes "In a press release, Apple has announced that the "European" iTunes Music Store has sold 0.8 million tracks in a week, with around 450,000 being sold in the UK alone. According to Steve Jobs other services were shifting only 50,000 tracks a week in Europe before the launch."

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  1. In other news by azmatsci · · Score: 5, Funny

    The RIAA still doesn't understand why singles are selling so well, so sues 428 more people.

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    1. Re:In other news by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something I genuinely heard on the UK BBC evening news a few weeks back (I don't remember exactly, but this is the idea):

      "iTunes, which allows people to legally purchase music online and put it onto CDs or the iPod, has been welcomed by many artists. Some, however, are reluctant to make single tracks available since they fear it will hurt album sales"

      WTF???!?!?!?11
      It would appear that whoever these artists are they just admitted that their albums aren't good enough to buy as a whole and they are just carried by one or two songs. They don't want people to buy these single songs because then they wouldn't pay for the filler. That's their best argument against legal downloads?
      Disclaimer: I do realise there are legitimate reasons not to put music in the ITMS, but I'd think that whoever issued that as a statement probably doesn't really get the idea of letting the consumer decide...

    2. Re:In other news by trentblase · · Score: 3, Insightful
      he/she views the album of one coherent work of art

      This is a valid argument as long as they force radio stations to play the entire album instead of a single track.

      The easy way (in a boneheaded twist) would be to just publish the album as a single track. It's already random access, after all.

    3. Re:In other news by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It would appear that whoever these artists are they just admitted that their albums aren't good enough to buy as a whole and they are just carried by one or two songs.

      I don't think that's necessarily what they're saying.

      Let's say we're talking about popular music, music that gets radio play. Maybe two or three songs on an album do well on the radio. Now, does that necessarily mean the other songs on the album are bad? No, it just means they're not radio material. Maybe they're too long, or too quiet, or whatever.

      When music is available a la carte, people can go out and buy just the track they heard on the radio. But in doing so, they might miss out on some other really good music.

      This has happened to me many time. I've bought an album because I wanted this track or that one, and in the end some of the other tracks became my favorites.

      (Of course, some albums just aren't that great. But I don't think that's universally true. For every album you can name that's got one hit song on it, somebody else can name one that's solid all the way through.)

      iTunes gets around this by giving you nice, long, high-quality previews of every available track. So when I saw the Garden State trailer and I wanted to get the song used in it, I listened to 30-second slices of the other songs from the album and discovered that they were all pretty darned good. So I bought the whole album.

      See? It works both ways.

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    4. Re:In other news by cens0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is a valid argument as long as they force radio stations to play the entire album instead of a single track.

      There are two problems with this thinking. The first is that radio is really just a commercial for the album. I think of it as analagous to a movie trailer. They're both lower quality previews of what you can expect to get when you purchase the full product. No one expects to pay $1 to get the best scene from a movie though.

      The second problem is that the kind of album that is one coherent piece of art, is unlikely to garner a lot of radio play, kind of making this a moot arguement.

      I think it is also illegal to broadcast an entire album from a band non stop, at least in the US anyway.

      The easy way (in a boneheaded twist) would be to just publish the album as a single track. It's already random access, after all.

      I actually have an album that is like this, and I find it quite annoying (I split it up manually when I ripped it). However, I don't think the end user should be forced to listen to the whole album at one sitting. You're allowed to pause movies, watch a certain scene only, or again, read one chapter of the book, etc. In all those cases you're given the whole piece of art, and told to do with it what you wish. That is how I look at albums. And that's the reason I see why an artist might want you to have the whole thing and not just a song or two.

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  2. I'd be interested to see the Windows/Mac breakdown by byolinux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A lot of people on here were doubting that the UK has much of a Macintosh userbase.

    Of the people I know who've used iTMS AND BOUGHT SOMETHING, about half are Mac users and half aren't.

    I know a lot more Windows users who've installed it though.

  3. Computer Revolution Ignited? by VinceWuzHere · · Score: 3, Funny
    quote "Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II"

    Harumph. At least if I don't own an iPod I am still a part of this Personal Computer Revolution with an old Apple //c sitting on my shelf...

    1. Re:Computer Revolution Ignited? by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm writing this ON an Apple //c you insensitve clod!

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    2. Re:Computer Revolution Ignited? by zulux · · Score: 5, Funny

      WELL I'M WRITING THIS ON A CO
      CO TRS-80 YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!
      AT LEAST YOU HAVE LOWER-CASE!!

      OK?

      OK?

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  4. The Hidden Data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    what they don't tell you is that 74% of those downloads were made by Sporty Spice. She d/l'ed thousands of copies of "tell me what you want, what you really, really want" in the hopes of reclaiming some of her former "glory". It's shameful for all Europeans.

    1. Re:The Hidden Data... by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have just dragged a song out of my memory that I thought I had ordered deleted and banished years ago. I hate you and I hope you die.

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    2. Re:The Hidden Data... by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 5, Funny



      You think that's bad? I * still like* the Spice Girls! I own their album and *still* listen to it! And lest you think I have a shred of dignity left, *I DROVE THREE HOURS TO SEE THEM LIVE*!

      Whew. Thank god for anonymous posting.

      I did check that box before submitting, didn...

    3. Re:The Hidden Data... by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely you mean... Hanson?

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  5. Great in comparison to others, but ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not yet up to the 2.5 million a week from the US. Of course, this is the first week and demand ramps up as people sign up and get the tech down pat.

    1. Re:Great in comparison to others, but ... by Sukh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uhm... I'm not sure how likely it is that the UK, France and Germany will reach that figure until the actual Euro-wide launch has taken place. There are considerbly less people in the UK, France and Germany than there are in the US. Without doing any calculations, per capita I would say 800,000 seems about right - maybe a bit under.

    2. Re:Great in comparison to others, but ... by TrueBuckeye · · Score: 5, Informative

      If anyone really cares, this is how it breaks down:

      Population of Germany, France and UK: 203,119,530
      Population of US: 293,027,571

      Which gives us
      3.94 downloads per 1000 people for Europe
      8.53 downloads per 1000 people for the US

      This assumes 800,000 downloads for Gr, Fr, and UK compared to 2.5 mil for the US.

      Populations are the 2004 Estimates from The CIA World Factbook

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  6. Someone wanna lend me $300? by RabidChicken · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is good news for Apple (obviously) but what will be more interesting is how this affects iPod sales. We all know the iTunes Music store is a pimp for the iPod, so now that we have a controlled environment that we can monitor closely, I guess we can prove if Apple's music model really works the way they planned.

    1. Re:Someone wanna lend me $300? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Funny

      We all know the iTunes Music store is a pimp for the iPod

      Sound like this? :)

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  7. A Small, Nimble Adversary by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So while inertia-bound Microsofattempts to shift itself toward its many stated directional goals and moribund music industry giants try to pedal their own wares, puny Apple Computer, with a less than perfect portfolio continues to run rings around these beasts. I'm not exactly a fan of Apple, and find it quite odd that they have branched into music distribution, but I do love these results. Apple is establishing itself well and by the time the competition sorts out its own problems iTunes will be ubiquitous.

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    1. Re:A Small, Nimble Adversary by mveloso · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's funny, but Apple is getting into the consumer electronics business at a much deeper level than, say, Dell or Gateway.

      When Dell or Gateway say "we're in the consumer electronics business," what they mean is "we sell consumer electronics." They compete against Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. That's a hard business to be in.

      When Microsoft says "we're in the consumer electronics business," what they mean is "we make the software that allows someone else to make consumer electronic devices, and take a cut." Nobody likes this because nobody wants to pay someone else for their IP - and nobody wants to fund a competitor, either (ie: Microsoft).

      When Apple says "we're in the consumer electronics business," they actually design, build, and sell products that are end-user targeted. They're like Panasonic, Pioneer, or Sony, in that they actually create and sell products. Except that the manufacturers don't have their own stores, but whatever.

      What Apple's done is taken control of personal music distribution. What that means is they're an end-to-end solution provider of music to the individual. Buy music from iTMS, play music on your machine with iTMS, play music on your stereo with Airport Express, and bring your music with you with the iPod. Now with the BMW thing, you integrate your iPod with your car (at a minimal level).

      Likely the next iPod will be an Airport Express-enabled, so you can wirelessly stream music from your iPod to your stereo. Then there are even more gadgets and doodads that extend the music "ecosystem," to use a somewhat abused word.

      It'll be an interesting to see what's coming up...those guys are full of surprises, which is what invention (and innovation) is all about.

    2. Re:A Small, Nimble Adversary by gravygraphics · · Score: 3, Funny

      Please be aware that a BMW is no longer classified as an "automobile." It is now an "iPod accessory." Belkin is going to have a tough time competing with BMW's marketing budget.

  8. Re:iTMS is marketed well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What this proves is that Apple is becoming less a computer vendor and more a consumer electronics company. Sure, they still sell computers (I have a 12" PB), but their new focus is becoming clear. The surging price of AAPL only reinforces this new direction.

  9. This may be a "bad thing" by sdo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lack of competition is not necessarily a good thing. I'm glad that the model of physical-medialess music is taking off, but I'm concerned about how much power Apple/iTunes may end up having in the future if they absolutely dominate the market. Will it be any better than the record industry now? (and don't kid yourself, there may be several "major" labels, but through the RIAA they act as one).

    Look at a correlary in the "real world". What if the only place to get music was at your local Best Buy and that just about every other outlet sold orders of magnitude less.

    Let's just be careful what we wish for...

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    1. Re:This may be a "bad thing" by jkabbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if all the other stores go out of business Apple will still have competition: file sharing networks.

      Jobs seemed to be the first major player in the field to understand that you need to offer a competitive alternative to get people to use a store instead of Kazaa. I doubt that view will change anytime soon.

    2. Re:This may be a "bad thing" by eSims · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What you ar leaving out is the balance brought in by P2P sharing. While illegal, were it not for P2P (Napster, then Kazaa, Gnutella, etc) iTunes would not have 99c songs...

      Though iTunes is the dominant factor in legal music downloads, the sharing aspect will always keep a bit of balance to the system.

      That said, I am glad to see someone prove that this is a viable business as it lends credence to the statement "Give me a legal alternative" that many P2Pers have made.

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    3. Re:This may be a "bad thing" by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Informative

      I assume you've seen Steve Jobs give his iTunes pitch. He's done it several times now at various events.

      It basically goes like this:

      People want to get their music one track at a time off the Internet. We know this because people are doing it like crazy, using these various underground services.

      We want to give people what they want. But just giving them music-over-the-Internet isn't enough. Subscription services suck, too-restrictive licensing sucks, et cetera, et cetera.

      Here's why illegal downloading is cool: (At this point he lists five or six key things. It's free, it's convenient, whatever.) But here's why illegal downloading sucks: (No art, bad encoding, hard to find stuff, and it's also stealing.)

      Then he proceeds to explain how iTunes addresses those points, one by one. iTunes isn't free, but it's cheap. On the other hand, it's way easier to find things, the quality is much better, you get art with your tracks, and it's "good karma."

      He actually builds the business case for iTunes from scratch, right there in front of you. It's a really cool presentation.

      Whether you're an Apple fan or not, whether you're an iTunes fan or not, you have to admire Steve Jobs' ability to give shareholders, investors, partners, and end-users a well-thought-out, persuasive presentation.

      All those dumbasses who think PowerPoint is the second coming could learn a lot from him. :-)

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    4. Re:This may be a "bad thing" by dasmegabyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the iTMS' trick is compete with free downloads through file sharing as well as traditional CD sales.

      They're doing so by offering a huge catalog with instant, reliable avaialability at (moderately) high quality for a "pretty fair" price. I don't bother with the hassles (legal and logistic) of file sharing any more. I still "borrow" CDs to add to my library, but for my pick and choose singles downloads, I'll look to Apple.

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  10. AOL & iTunes by Celt · · Score: 3, Informative

    AOL UK and Apple have a deal to promote to DSL customers throuhg Keyword: itunes, where customers can download itunes :-)

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    1. Re:AOL & iTunes by Celt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      yes, but its just called AOL UK, you'll never hear the words America On-Line UK

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  11. Re:Canada ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's online already. In Canada it's called iKazaa.

  12. iTunes for some... by spoonani · · Score: 3, Interesting

    miniature American flags for others! If anything, the early success of the iTMS in selected european countries indicates a trend that global internet business models can work in selected markets. Yet the internet in its most basic sense is about bringing information (or data, in this case) to all. Rather than simply transplanting the store to countries with similar capitalstic structures, the true "revolution" will be marked by the universal ability to experience the global art of music. Apple has not forged a new beachead. yet.

  13. The winner by phalse+phace · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And Apple also beat it's closest competitor OD2 (On Demand Distribution), getting 16 times as many downloads.

    Guess it didn't really matter that Napster beat Apple to launch there.

    I wonder if the RIAA's listening?

  14. Re:yeah.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Must be because iTMS has no effective DRM.
    DVD Jon on VLC and Apple's iTunes singles
    Jon "DVD Jon" Johansen writes, in reference to VLC's support for iTunes's M4P DRM format:

    In case you didn't know, I'm a VideoLAN developer. I reverse engineered FairPlay and wrote VLC's FairPlay support. It's been available in VideoLAN CVS since January, but the first release to include FairPlay support is VLC 0.7.1 (released March 2.).

    Just wanted to let you know that once you have generated the user key file(s), you can copy them to as many computers you want and play your M4P files there using VLC.
  15. iTunes DRM: Necessary? Good or evil? by MacGoldstein · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A bit off topic, but it will come up anyways, so mod me however you wish:

    I've used iTunes since its inception (on OS 9), and have bought around 30-40 songs since the release of iTMS US (and have also downloaded the countless weekly free tracks). The DRM, while not particularly inconvenient to me (I have a 20GB iPod) seems to be a great sticking point to others. I have never had the need to use my music on more than 3 computers simultaneously, and have never needed to burn a playlist so many times as to exceed the iTunes limit (and even then you can change the playlist and burn again)

    That said, the steps necessary to convert my favorite fragging tracks to .ogg for use in UT2004 seemed unnecessarily complex (burn to cd, rip to wav, encode to ogg), and as such I am wondering if a DRM is really necessary. I haven't pirated music in over a year now, and indeed have no such music on my laptop (or iPod) currently: I am now more prone to buy music from iTMS.

    I am proud of Apple's successes and hope they go far in the future, but DRM is a dangerous and narrow path, and I only hope that Steve Jobs doesn't take his penchant for control too far with this one. Until that time, the current implementation is sufficient for me, and with new technologies such as Airtunes connectivity and convergence are becoming more mainstream: the need for DRM-less files is becoming less.

    However... Apple needs to open their format to other companies. I dont give a damn, Steve, if iPod comprises 50%, 75% or even 100% of the market, if another company wants to use your insanely great AAC Protected format, they should be able to. The fact that consumers cannot use other digital devices to play the product Apple is selling is a major sticking point with many, and the tools necessary to allow this are being intentionally broken with each successive iTunes release.

    Yes, I'm a fervent Mac Evangelist, but while this works perfectly for me, getting a friend with another mp3 player to start using a Mac and/or the iTMS is going to be pretty hard if I have to explain to him that he has to break the user agreement to play the files by breaking the DRM.

    The format needs to be opened, and it needs to happen soon.

    1. Re:iTunes DRM: Necessary? Good or evil? by AcornWeb · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have never had the need to use my music on more than 3 computers simultaneously

      You do know/remember that with iTunes 4.6 it is now 5 computers, right?

      Other than that, right on and ditto.

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  16. Re:Sales and Profitability by selderrr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would not be so sure about that... I personally know a few PC peeps who have iTunes installed and absoluting raving about it to a degree that they admit theyr next purchase to be a Mac. In a year or so, when their current PC is outdated.

    the iPods receive short term market share gain from th iTMS, but i think the other Apple hardware will benefit in a year or so.

    I'll eat my hat if, over the next 2 years, Apple market share doesn't rise to 150% of what they have now.

  17. The exclusive Pixies track by kerincosford · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Probably has something to do with it. Bam Thwok is exclusive to iTMS, and got a mention in nearly all of the iTunes launch coverage. Considering that the Pixies are currently touring Europe, I'm sure that drove plenty of sales. I for one bought Bam Thwok on iTMS launch day.

  18. A question to our European readers by chia_monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those are some pretty impressive numbers indeed. In one week iTMS is supposedly the most popular music service in Europe now. Here's my question: since there were already other services up and running in Europe, were the European users waiting for iTMS to arrive and then just went nuts when it opened? Or did everyone switch from the other services? Why the huge numbers, which are blowing the other services out of the water, when others were available?

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    1. Re:A question to our European readers by fpillet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe just because iTMS matches users needs? It's not just because it's Apple, otherwise the world would be 80% Mac.

      iTMS is (as are all Apple products) extremely well designed and they managed to produce exactly what people were waiting for. The complete chain (iTMS iTunes iPod) is perfectly integrated and even my mother can use it.

  19. Phrase that another way by Zastrossi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And the headline reads: All of Europe buys equivalent of 65,000 CDs this week. Europe buys roughly 3 billion recorded music units (PDF) (almost all of which are CDs) a year. Even if iTunes maintained that sales rate (which is extremely unlikely), they'd sell the rough equivalent of 3.4 million CDs a year, or roughly 0.1 % of the total CDs sold. Sure, that'll make a dent in this whole piracy thing.

    1. Re:Phrase that another way by Zastrossi · · Score: 3, Informative

      D'oh, my math was off by a bit because I mis-read the PDF I referenced. Here are more accurate numbers:

      If they sell an average of 800,000 songs for the year (unlikely, I think), then that's the equivalent of 3.5 million CDs a year. That sounds impressive, until you consider that Germany, France and the UK bought about 725 million CDs (PDF) in 2001. With those numbers, the iTunes sales would represent a world-changing 0.4% of music sales in those three countries.

  20. Re:What has changed? by gerardrj · · Score: 3, Informative

    The billing address on your credit card.

    As I understand, for a time at least, you could purchase gift certificates with a US credit card and sell/send those to people around the world who could then use them.

    I don't now if Apple ever squashed that.

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  21. Re:Apple's slice? by gerardrj · · Score: 3, Informative

    this has been thoroughly covered by Apple. the iTMS US was making a slight profit as of a few months ago. It's all a matter of volume.
    Apple's share of revenue from each $.99 song sale is on the order of a dime as I recall.

    While no longer a loss leader for the iPod, iTMS will not be a major source of income for Apple until/unless they get a larger cut of the sale.

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  22. I just tried it - you can't. by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Informative

    I decided to try this myself, you can't buy from the foreign stores. It gives you a message stating that your account is only authorized for purchase in the US.

    So, in case anyone else was wondering, there is your answer.

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  23. dept. jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "from the but-are-those-metric-tracks dept."

    yes, complete with iambic pentametres [sic]...

  24. Don't hold your breath by bubba451 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Steve Jobs has repeatedly said that the iTMS exists to sell iPods. He, in fact, has recently admitted that when they decided to write iTunes for Windows, they gave up on using the iPod to convert people to Macs.

    So why exactly would they want to open this up, and help other companies sell devices?

    Folks have often argued that they should at least open it up in areas where Apple doesn't yet have a market. They key word people are forgetting when they make this argument is yet.

    Again, how is it in Apple's interest to let other companies piggyback onto Apple's extremely difficult (legally, technically), barely-profitable venture that is the iTunes Music Store?

  25. Anecdotes are not statistics by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I take your point, but I wish people would stop citing 'of all the people I know' as if that were a representative sample. If you work in desktop publishing, then it's a good bet that most of the 'people you know' will be Mac users. If you work as an accountant, then most of the 'people you know' will be PC users. If you're a TCAD software developer then most of the 'people you know' will be UNIX users.

    It's like the people who bitch about authorities going to the expense of building bicycle lanes because "I never see a bike using that lane when I drive past every morning."

    Anecdotes do not trump statistics.

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  26. Two people... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I know two people that saw the amazing usability and ease-of-use of iTunes, asked me what the "good thing was that is different about iTunes" and over lunch I explained that there is a thing called a GUI and a science about "Usability". Things clicked. They went to the apple store on their own and two Powerbooks were sold. Their dell boxes are on ebay.

  27. Re:iTunes "Europe" by Erwos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're making no sense. You're trying to posit something along the lines of "Apple stores "haven't come to the US" unless they're in all 50 states". The moment Apple opens a store in Florida, they're in the US. It's really that simple.

    France, UK, and Germany are all in Europe. Ergo, iTunes has come to Europe. Perhaps not _all_ of Europe, but they didn't say that, either.

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  28. Re:128 Kbps ONLY!!! by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Face facts. People who buy *can't* meaningfully tell that it is 128kbps, or don't care.

    If they did, it wouldn't sell. It does sell; therefore the price and convenience outweight the quality and sound.

  29. Re:Are the iTMS Europe servers located in Europe ? by mdonkin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple use Akamai to host the iTunes store and their other web-sites. Akamai have server farms all over the world. So when you use the store you're actually talking to a fairly local server.

  30. Re:128 Kbps ONLY!!! by aristotle-dude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok. Here is the thing. The 128Kbps ACC files on iTMS are not the same as 128Kbps AAC files ripped from a CD let alone crappy 128Kbps MP3. The songs on the iTMS are encoded with a professional quality encoder from the Studio masters. Encoding from a CD would mean you were encoding twice. Once to PCM and again to ACC or MP3.

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