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Wireless Music/Media Player Roundup?
robmueller asks: "Like most of you here on Slashdot, I've got my entire music collection on my PC, and would like to share it around the house to at least my lounge room stereo. While the AirPort Express is still a month away (mid July), and the lack of a remote control seems like a problem for a stereo away from the computer, there's a number of other devices out there already; D-Link DSM-320, Squeeze Box, Actiontec, Virtuoso MC-500 (uh... looks like the Actiontec), and a standard 'we hooked it up for 5 minutes' review of several more devices here. However, I want to hear from people who have actually used one, and what they liked, didn't like, ease of use, audio only, is audio & video useful? etc. So who's using one of these things?"
With a streaming setup, you need a much more expensive computer device to receive anything. FM radios are a dime a dozen. You are unlikely to listen to more than one stream at once.
What you want is something like this . Plug it into the sound-out of a cabled media computer (or, heck, a Wireless Music/Media Player, if you feel the need to comply with the latest buzzwords). Put the computer wherever you have the space (closet, basement, attic) and keep your stereo clutter-free. Tune the FM transmitter to a free space low on the dial (89.3 or so), and listen to your streams on any stereo in/around/outside the house. So long as you aren't stepping on any other nearby frequencies, and the reception drops off significantly enough before you get more than a few houses away, you shouldn't have much worry about complaints.
Or you can drag your Wireless Music/Media Player out into the backyard the next time you want to host a barbecue. Of course, "wireless" doesn't usually apply to power cables and wall warts.
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Songs bought from iTMS can only be played on your stereo using Airport Express.
So I'm happy to wait the three weeks until it arrives, as iTMS + Airport Express + Bluetooth Phone + Sailing Clicker + Powerbook is just ubercool.
Or in other words: "It really whips the llama's ass"
Funtage Factor: Purple
Bought an HP Digital Media Receiver from Buy.com on their special sale for $100. Wireless connectivity, composite audio, S-Video, what more can one want?
Well, turns out, a lot. For one, the data was not exactly streamed through the unit, which I properly connected to my stereo system and TV. The local MP3 files and local JPEG pictures was the only thing that HP Receiver played, so if you wanted to broadcast a Shoutcast stream or Real Video stream, you were out of luck.
None of the DRMed files worked either, so two WMAs that I have purchased from Napster would have to be ripped to CDs, re-ripped into MP3s and then loaded onto a local PC with wireless connection for that HP Media Receiver to pick up.
I returned the item for a refund after a few days. Waste of money. Until full-blown audio streaming and any kind of video playback is supported together with multiple formats (OGG including), there's little incentive in getting a Media Receiver when a WiFi-enabled laptop plugged into stereo and TV will do the job even better.
I looked at all those options as well, and decided that with the way the market is going, there will be a more kick-arse version of anything I buy within 6 months. (I'm not just talking standard technology advances better, I'm talking everyone getting into the field better)
I know that you specified wireless, (which I considered, as I already have an 802.11g AP plugged into my network) but for now I have ended up getting a Hauppage MediaMVP and putting in a run of cat5 to it.
The MediaMVP is basically just a small remote-control driven, network-connected set-top box which plays content from a server on a win2000/xp machine. Linux drivers have been made though, and the built in mpeg decoder makes it a good combo for the standard Hauppage PVR cards.
On the positive side, the sound quality is good, and the price is hard to beat ($99 retail, can be found for less).
Unfortunately the interface is shit. Very basic mp3 browsing - can move through the directories and playlists on your shared computer and select songs/playlists/directories. Unfortunately, there is no real skipping while playing several songs - the default setup if you choose a song is to play that one song and then stop. You can choose to play all songs in a directory, (shuffled if you wish), but it deosn't let you skip songs - if you choose another song, it just plays that one. The "skip" button just moves to the next page on the directory listing - an even worse interface on this first generation device than on my other first generation devices from preceding years.
The gui should however get better with firmware releases - already the latest firmware lets you add streaming radio stations (although not realaudio) and play divx files (although these have to be transcoded by your server). The MVP internals run on linux as well, so there are good possibility of future improvements.
As I said - there's quite a few similar devices coming out at the moment (eg this buffalo one ), and in six or seven months there will undoubtedly be something much better - but if I really want one of those I can buy it then, and I consider $99 a good price for 6-7 months of music.
Would be something that not only streams music, but can also stream karaoke! Think about it, it would be so awesome if you could go to the iTunes music store from your laptop, d/l a song(normal version, plus karoake file with lyrics and timing, and even music video if appropriate, or you could do like the karaoke bars do in Japan and just put generic videos of people on the screen), then send it up on your bigscreen tv(and nice speakers) using an airport express kind of device. The sales of songs to drunk people on the iTunes music store would go through the roof! I mean, if you really want a song, what are you going to do, go to a p2p network to try to find a legit karaoke version or just go to the iTMS(since you will probably already have iTunes open) and buy the song.
Come on Steve, lead the pack!
hold...your "lounge room"? is this where you lie around in your zoot suit, by any chance?
The Airport Express is nice because I can control it from the computer. I usually sit on the couch with the stereo going.
However, my solution was a modded Xbox, which makes an excellent media center. It takes some soldering, but then the Xbox becomes a game/media center.
i'm in the same boat. i have a huge collection of digital music (ripped all my CD's) that i want to play in different rooms. bonus points for my backyard patio for BBQ's.
:)
here is what i'm going to use:
1) cheap laptops
2) cheap wifi cards
3) XMMS
4) netjuke (for the main 'streaming' app)
5) LIRC (linux infrared remote control)
6) XMMS-LIRC plugin
this way, i'll have a remote to control xmms from, i have access to all my tunes in one place (not in a separate database for each remote device) AND the laptops can act as photo frames when i'm not listening to tunes (screensaver w/ photos, etc).
i've looked into every single one of those devices that we keep seeing and they all have either limiting features, or a high cost. also, many required a custom streaming app to be used on the main server application.
i like netjuke, but if i don't like it, i can use some other web-based tool. i like xmms, but if i don't like it, i could use something else. control man... control
I recently picked up one of these from the local CompUSA; it works beautifully and the [RF not IR!] lcd remote is just awesome. :)
Creative Sound Blaster Wireless Music
It's fairly pricey - running $200 - but [in my opinion] worth it. It works with your [existing?] WiFi network, which is convenient as well.
Just my $0.02.
As I've mentioned before, I purchased one of these recently and I can't recommend it more highly. It plays every music format I can think of, using the server computer to resample obscure ones into a format it understands, on the fly. It can read and save Winamp playlist files, for convenience, and it can play streamed content off of the Internet. There are even plugins written that allow you to browse the Shoutcast.com streams and Internet Music Archive, and play those streams, all from the player's interface. And yes, the server software can interface with iTunes, and I imagine can play iTunes-purchased songs.
My only gripe is that the software seems less stable than it could be under all circumstances, but I run the nightly builds, so I can't really complain. =)
I think the thing that sets the Squeezebox apart from many of the other devices out there is its interface. Although a computer is required for the backend, you need never actually deal with the SlimServer program if you don't want to; almost every bit of configuration and management can be done from the player, with the remote. This is a big selling point for me, as it completely eliminates the need for me to have any electronics around aside from the Squeezebox itself and the stereo.
I should also mention that the software supports synchronization between different players, and that there's a GUI Java player (SoftSqueeze) that can run on any computer so that you can synchronize that computer with any number of hardware players. I know this is functional because I did it myself, just this week while I was doing chores around the house.
Anyway, that's my reasoning. I love the thing, and would gladly buy it again in a heartbeat. There are going to be many networked media players, but for me, the interface and the server software definitely tip the scales in favor of the Squeezebox.
...unless you're doing it via a wifi laptop, which is overkill. the slimp3 devices et al add the option of hifi-like controls, something that's glaringly absent in apple's new offering. i don't want to have to leave my laptop on or at home when i'm out so the missus can stream audio - i want a small device with a "PLAY" button on it and an LED display of track names.
I have the SliMP3, the wired precursor to the Squeezebox and reviewed it on mywebsite.
In summary, I think it's great. My main complaint when I got it was the price, but the Squeezebox now costs less than the SliMP3.
The problem that I've found with most of the remote streaming devices is that they need to have a television nearby to control them. As a person who finds television mindnumbing and don't even own one, is there a good streaming product that doesn't need a TV at all? Perhaps one with it's own graphics display to show cover art when browsing?
I have several of the predecessor device to the squeezebox, the SliMP3. It's great. Even has a high WAF -- my wife asked me to put one in her office too.
Oh yea, it can read your iTunes DB so it knows your songlists and shoutcast radio stations and the like. The server software is all GPLed so you can tweak it (the guys at slimdevices integrate lots of user-contributed changes). It can't play your iTMS songs though unless you know how to use google. For that, your only alternative is the Apple device.
They're easy to use, quite reliable, and plug straight into the stereo. What more is there to say about it?
All in all, a real winner.
I have been using a laptop around the house with a wi-fi (802.11b) connection to a PC upstairs.As the PC was located in the backroom I could get a great signal down to the bottom of my garden (about 25 meters). All my tunes available, great. Then, broadband became available in my area (north west UK) so the two PC set-up evolved into a wf-fi network complete with access-point and ADSL modem. The downside is that the phoneline comes into the front of the house so that's where the modem and access point live. The signal has now degraded such that I'm considering another access point upstairs to serve the back garden (it's still great around the house). I'm also thinkinig of getting one of those USB FM-transmitters, not unlike those used with the iPod. The plan is to have a cheap radios around the house (esp. the bathroom) that can tune into the signal and I can ditch the laptop except as a juke-box front-end. Has anyone else used such a transmitter with any success? My wi-fi based music collection has been a hit when friends come around as the playlist allows everyone to queue tunes instead of being subjected to my Hawkind collection :-)
I use the prismiq and like it a lot. Unfortunately, you have to have a television hooked up to it, and the media interface isn't the best in the world. However, they run linux on it, it is wired or wireless (your wireless card), they publish the source, it can play internet radio, rhapsody, mp3, slideshows, divx, vobs, and other .avi, you can program your own plugins for decoding, and is, in general, pretty cool. And surf the web. From what I understand, the PC does most of the transcoding then sends it to the media player. Bunch of good reviews from various magazine sources.
Check out www.prismiq.com and www. prismiq.org.
And, no, I don't work for the company.
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And just tune your stereo to a quiet FM slot... (you do have an integrated receiver, don't you? :) )
You have the iPod in your hand or by your sofa, and can do much more with it than with most remotes (set up playlists, choose the next album, see what song's currently playing, etc). You don't need the TV on to listen to music, which is a plus.
You can even leave the iPod in a dock charging, or pass it around people at a party to 'add a few songs to the playlist' - much neater than most solutions.
Otherwise - If you want to see what you're doing, you need a very smart remote (Sony Multi_CD changers upload the CD list to the remote so you can pick a CD from a list, I don't know of any 'music streamers' that do this) or a link into your TV to show the track info.
If you're happy with 'next track' and nothing else, you can manage with something like this.
Mark
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My remote media player of choice is an xbox running Xbox Media Centre.
Get a cheap 2nd hand xbox & DVD remote and away you go. Stream music & videos from your server elsewhere (yes, it even supports ogg!). Also supports streaming media for the occasional radio station. Very impressive indeed - I can't praise it enough.
Dlink appears to have several products that may be of interest here, has anyone used these?
y .asp?cid=7#c id_70 ...as well as a product that looks like the bee's knees - the "Wireless Media Player" supporting wired & wireless, and video formats including xvid! And, it looks like it's only $200.
Specifically, they have two "wireless audio adapters":
http://www.dlink.com/products/categor
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=318
My desktop is in my bedroom, and houses my entire media collection. But I wanted music throughout the house.
So down in the family room, I set up an old computer, with a set of good speakers and a PCI TV-out card (thank you Froogle!). I then slapped a 802.11b card into the old box and viola-- I can play music streamed off my computer and watch videos on my TV (occasional lag on large videos-- I should upgrade to 802.11g).
As for a remote control? Froogle and eBay came to the rescue. I now have an old AST/Logitech Computer IR remote control. There's quite a few freee IR remote control programs floating around, so it was no worry I couldn't get any software with it.
It's a great setup, and it cost me only ~$120. (I already had the old computer and speakers, so I needed a TV-out card, a wireless adapter, and the remote control).
This statement is solely an opinion. Kindly take it as such in all cases.
On my IPAQ, it's just a matter of creating a shortcut to the shared folder behind the firewall on my 802.11b setup. The IPAQ has a headphone out, and I use Windows Media Player to manage the playlists and serve the content to whatever stereo I want.
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Ok...I love my IPOD....in the car and at the gym! What I don't love is my IPOD at home. I too have all my music on my PC and can play it just fine when I am on my pc. But I want it everywhere in my house. Having it stream off my computer is ok with me, having to GO TO MY PC to change the music is not ok.
The airport express seems like a steping stone to something greater. I always do a ton of research before I buy any technology. I waited a year for the IPOD, and it has proven to be the best! Those other products mentioned just seem to fall short. I want something where I can control my music easily anywhere in the house.
The only thing I have found so far is something called a zone player and controller from Sonos www.sonos.com. However, is it real, or is it just a fancy website with great photoshoped images? Why hasn't apple done something like this, or is that what they are planning? I have a hard time even considering a product from a company I haven't heard of. Does anyone else know anything about Sonos? Are they legit? Are there any other companies doing something like what they claim to have?
Fortunately I'd already picked up a Powerbook 3400 on eBay ($65) and an Oronoco Wavelan card from a garage sale ($5) as a Debian/PPC plaything.
On the MacOS 9 boot partition, I added iTunes 1.1, IE 5, the Macast mp3 player, and "iHam on iRye". If I could run iTunes 4.5 on the Powerbook as well as the iMac in the upstairs office, my job would be done, but I was left with trying out a number of streaming servers. Many of the servers on OSX use iTunes as a backend (nicecast, for instance), which sucks up added CPU cycles on my 400MHz iMac, and with the three I tried, I couldn't quite figure out the correct URL to connect to from the Powerbook. I looked at gnump3d, which doesn't use iTunes, but haven't tried it yet. I had played with the Squeezebox' server, the slimserver, a year ago, so gave the update another try. The instructions provided a URL format even I could grok, and the resulting stream played on both iTunes 1.1 and Macast on the Powerbook. Using IE (or whatever browser), I can surf to the Slimserver's web interface to select playlists, and after plugging the Powerbook's line out into my stereo, the result wasn't too bad.
What makes a really slick remote control is iHam on iRye, an iTunes 4.x remote control that works on MacOS 9.x and X. Not Windows, for better or worse. It provides an iTunes-like interface, and it seems I can even select webcasts. Provided that the Airport Express' stereo line out provides a signal of at least the same quality as the PB 3400, I may have found my ultimate solution.
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I've been looking at the Roku HD1000 and the Play@TV NMP-4000.
:-).
:-) Doesn't look like it's got a lot of umph, however (see the referenced about creating a swap file on a CF card - yuk).
Basically, I'm looking at archiving my 1,800+ cd on to hard drive and storing them in a box (well, lots of boxes) some where and not having to go fetch the one I want to play. Pictures on the TV would be nice, but I want the TV to display the artist/album list. Playing video would be nice, but not necessary.
I'm also not interested in wireless, just wired (I ran cat5e to every room in the house
The HD1000 actually supports HiDef TV at 720p and 1080i. Supposed to be quite nice for showing off your tv. Not so sure how it works with Audio stuff. Linux kernel, developer SDK, looks cool
The Play@TV NMP-4000, while having a crappy name, looks like it supports the audio stuff better. It's highest resolution is S-Video out, but that's OK.
Both support digital audio out, which is cool.
I certianly would like a comparison site on these, but haven't found any.
Or if either company wants some free advertising, send me a demo unit and I'll write something up!
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Onkyo amplifiers have the ability to plug directly into your computer network. You then have full control And full Audiophile sound from your system. It is awesome and thats from experience, not hearsay. All the way from South Africa