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MS Plans To Cooperate With Chinese TV Maker

zhangyong writes "Microsoft has signed a strategic cooperation pact with China's top television maker Sichuan Changhong Electric Appliances (which claims to be the world's number-two maker of colour TVs, OEM for APEX, etc.), the official Shanghai Securities News (in Chinese) (in English) said on Monday. 'Changhong would receive advanced IT technology and software from Microsoft to develop digital TV sets and other high-technology products.' What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?"

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  1. ...In a PERFECT world... by VinceWuzHere · · Score: 2, Funny
    "What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?" Um, HELLO, quality will drop, bugs in software will increase exponentially as a result and Micro$fot will finally die from the burdens of this load and the world will proliferate with GOOD software.

    **wakes up from dream**

    1. Re:...In a PERFECT world... by spike+hay · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nonsense. I have both an Apex TV and a DVD player. Both are quite high quality. The TV has an excellent picture. The DVD player can play MP3, SVCD, VCD, straight MPEG, just about anything. Chinese products are not universally shitty.

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    2. Re:...In a PERFECT world... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Funny

      > It's not like mainland China TVs are known for their high quality and reliability anywqay,
      > they're aimed squarely at the "OMG I can get a 27" TV for $200!?!" crowd.

      For now. Ask your parent (or more likely, your grandparents). They can tell you all about when "Made in Japan" was a universal by-word for cheap, shoddy junk.

      Chris Mattern

  2. What Will Happen by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Funny

    What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?"

    Why, the phrase "Blue Screen Of Death" will take on a whole new meaning of course.

  3. What will happen when... by kunudo · · Score: 5, Funny

    What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?"

    Cheap + shit == Cheap shit.
    Funny, eh?

  4. Government DRM by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me guess

    Oh..oh I KNOW! Pick me.. PICK ME!!!

    Would it have anything to do with Government sponsored DRM so the CCP can control all that you see, hear and download at a more manageable level?

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    1. Re:Government DRM by qtp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't really matter if it's government mandated DRM, or if it's an industry wide agreement. Either way there is a group with a vested interest in controlling what news, ideas, and history we are exposed to controlling what we watch and what we can pass around freely.

      The interest of the two groups (government and industry) are remarkably similar (they depend on each other to remain in power) and dissenting voices will be quieted no matter who is at the reigns of DRM.

      I would not be surprised if the Chinese government is welcoming of this development. Government control over media content there seems to be commonplace there, and DRM appears to be a natural choice to further enforce control over the dissemination of ideas.

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    2. Re:Government DRM by Chops · · Score: 3, Interesting

      TV networks are about the easiest thing there is to government-control; it's both more efficient and more reliable to control the broadcaster. The Chinese gov't has also displayed a dismaying abundance of good sense when censoring their citizens' internet access: They filter the transmissions at well-chosen choke points, which is (again) efficient and reliable. The MS/RIAA route of controlling the individual computers/TVs is inefficient and unreliable, and it seems like they know it. I doubt they're interested in DRM-enabled TVs.

  5. Good question by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?

    Symantec and McAffee stock go orbital?

  6. MSNBC-Now I know what that acronym stands for by craXORjack · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft Now Backing Chinese

    Traitors!

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  7. That was quick by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apple announces a big monitor, suddenly this Msft innovation appears.

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  8. Spectrum trouble? by Atario · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely you mean Red Screen Of Death?

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    1. Re:Spectrum trouble? by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot to welcome our new Chinese-Speaking Paperclip overlords. :)

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    2. Re:Spectrum trouble? by beacher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's what I see - No Support Here - Other goodies to expect can be found at Engrish.com's computer section

  9. M$way? by midifarm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Is M$ going the way of Gateway? Do they need TV's to turn a profit?

    Peace

    1. Re:M$way? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Microsoft has *always* been interested in muti-media, for example WebTV, MSN, Windows Media, and so on. We know from recent press that they wish to dominate the home "muti-media center". This China thing makes perfice sense for them. WOrld domination, you know.

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  10. amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just poured an entire six-pack of Coke onto my monitor. Spitting is for barbarians.

    1. Re:amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah. I'm in a hurry anyway. I just tucked all my monitors into my car and am now off to the Coke factory.

  11. It's obvious by Yurka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Massive quantities of hardware-based DRM, of severely crappy quality, which breaks in a couple of days. But at least it's going to be cheap.

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  12. MS TV's by SeanTobin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Something tells me that the tv's will have mysterious failures of both the red and green guns after they have been deployed.

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  13. Not much difference... by tool462 · · Score: 5, Funny
    "What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?"

    Since a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, it won't be much different from high-cost labor in the US combined with Microsoft technologies.

  14. Wait a minute... by GeekZilla · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Changhong would receive advanced IT technology and software from Microsoft..."

    But where is Microsoft going to get the "...advanced IT technology...?

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  15. Umm by sien · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?


    Umm, where do you think most PCs are made? The moon? Zimbabwe? Folks, this is the world we live in.

  16. This just hype. by djupedal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?

    This 'combination' is far from the first time these two items have come together, and for the record, so far, the first attempts have been feeble - thru no fault of the Chinese, I assure you.

  17. owning a TV will never be the same by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unlike the old days, where you just unpacked your new TV, aimed the antenna, and turned it on, you now need to update your TV's operating system to Service Pack 2 as soon as you turn it on, in order to avoid catching a worm. Then you need to install antivirus software and a firewall. Lastly, in order to keep your TV working acceptably, you need to defrag it weekly, and regularly run software to remove spyware.

    Considering the crap on TV these days, it doesn't sound like it'll be worth the trouble.

    1. Re:owning a TV will never be the same by Col+Bat+Guano · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmmmm. Spyware.
      So in Communist China, TV will watch you?

  18. Jeanne Dixon, stand aside... by mr.+methane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I predict:

    * People will keep buying microsoft products because they like the products.

    * Slashdotters will continue to rant about the evils of microsoft (or whatever company happens to be doing well at the time)

    * Linux will continue being a useful and robust platform that's too complex for the average consumer and incompatible with popular applications.

    1. Re:Jeanne Dixon, stand aside... by mangu · · Score: 2, Funny
      finally a comment from someone without a tinfoil hat on.


      You mean that, if he had had his tinfoil hat on, then the Microsoft marketing ray gun wouldn't have melted his brain?

    2. Re:Jeanne Dixon, stand aside... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      * People will keep buying microsoft products because they like the products.

      People will keep using open source because they like the price, features, freedom, and quality.

      * Slashdotters will continue to rant about the evils of microsoft (or whatever company happens to be doing well at the time)

      Irrelevant. IBM is doing well and I don't hear too many rants around here. You seem to forget that Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. They have essentially been convicted of being evil.

      * Linux will continue being a useful and robust platform...

      It will continually improve and and add true innovation, filling the need of what people want. ...that's too complex for the average consumer and incompatible with popular applications.

      You didn't specify which task is too complex. For the end user, using Linux is mostly seamless.
      Name the popular applications Linux [distros] are incompatible with. Also, state how Microsoft has remained compatible or incompatible with these applications and versions.

  19. Re:What will happen... by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about rather than joining 3 million other slashdotters in bitching about the rich guy down the street you actually contribute. If you think you can do better, than help an open source project. All of the programs you listed have an open source counterpart that in ways don't measure up to microsoft's "crap clones" as of yet. I'd rather you use your talent to help or at least donate to open office. Spreading FUD about microsoft's programs isn't going to help shit.

  20. Watch This Carefully by ewhac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems Microsoft is performing an end-run around the free market again.

    Not so very long ago, during the dawn of the x86 PC, machines were sold without operating systems. You had to buy your own copy. You were likely to ask friends or consult magazine reviews as to which OS was the best buy. As such, there was a possibility that you would buy, for example, CP/M-86 or Concurrent CP/M and not MS-DOS. In fact, there was a very good chance you wouldn't buy MS-DOS, because it was junk, and everyone knew it.

    Bill Gates knew it, too. He knew he couldn't win a fair fight on the retail shelf. So he did the same thing he'd done with BASIC: He took the choice out of the consumers' hands and made deals with PC manufacturers to bundle MS-DOS with the machine. Today, as a direct result of such deals, Microsoft is an oppressive illegal monopoly, and industry innovation has been provably stunted.

    It seems Microsoft intends to repeat the process, this time with in-TV software, in a country not yet familiar with their felonious behavior.

    Watch this carefully. Microsoft has proved repeatedly that they don't give a damn about the end-user, because that's not their customer -- the OEM is, and Microsoft has shown that they can bend OEMs over at will without repercussions. Personally, I don't think this bodes well at all for the future of TV receivers.

    Schwab

    1. Re:Watch This Carefully by Strudelkugel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      made deals with PC manufacturers to bundle MS-DOS with the machine

      You might want to read about the deal Gates "forced" on IBM. It was actually the other way around. Gates wanted to make a deal with IBM to include MS-BASIC with the PC, but IBM didn't have an OS for it, which they needed first. Gates suggested IBM go to Kildall of CPM fame. (Gates didn't want an OS business, he was more interested in languages) Kildall wasn't there; his wife and a laywer turned away "Big Evil IBM". IBM kept twisting Gates' arm, so Gates and Allen bought QDOS (quick-and-dirty-OS) from a guy in Seattle to make IBM happy.

      One concession Gates asked for was the ability to sell the OS to other vendors offering 808x boxes. No one thought this was necessarily worth very much since there were not many clones, and everyone thought IBM had the market locked up anyway.

      So many think Microsoft is were it is because it is big bad and evil, so there has to be legislation to box the company. Gates on the other hand, has stated that he is always wondering which garage is going to emit something that will undermine the business. I'm not an apologist for Microsoft. The company has done some stupid things. Just not as consistently as the competition

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    2. Re:Watch This Carefully by Locutus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you are right in that IBM was the one which handed the monopoly to Microsoft. But, it was Bill and Steve who decided to use anti-competitive practices as the basis for doing business instead of competing by producing better products. MBA's love those guys but techies, mostly dispise them. Gershner once said that Microsoft was a great marketing company and a poor technology company and that REALLY REALLY pissed Bill Gates off. Because he THINKS he's a good geek. And he pays the people around him to make sure he keeps thinking that way. :/

      Anyway, so once the monopoly was established, Microsoft started pounding on anybody who didn't play THIER game and they did this with the OEMs and ISVs. Like the thread parent said, Microsoft want after the suppliers of the product and took the choice from the consumers since they held a bigger hammer over the heads of the suppliers.

      You were both right, just off on the time of the events.

      BTW, Bill Gates' paranoia has made him VERY wealthy, but only because he was handed the monopoly power by IBM( as you stated ). This does not make him a visionary or a genius in my book. Far smarter people built far better and useful tools then has ever come from Microsoft. But they were destroyed by Bill and Steves fear of being shown up. Gawd, just look at their "Facts" tour to see what bull they excrete and look at the state of Microsofts 3 year old Secure Computing Initiative. But that just IMHO.

      LoB

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  21. The better question is... by DerProfi · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?"

    The better question is, "What will happen when Microsoft's technology meets China's total disregard for intellectual property rights?"

    The answer is, of course, "Hilarity ensues."

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  22. Color TVs? by Psymunn · · Score: 2, Funny

    which claims to be the world's number-two maker of colour TVs

    Silly Microsoft. Colour TVs are still experimental technology and will never take off. Far better for them to team up with developers of the tried, tested, and true, black and white televion set

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  23. cheap products which don't work as expected by Locutus · · Score: 2, Funny

    that's what you'll get from a combined MS and Chinese product. But isn't that obvious by now. ;-)

    LoB

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  24. Pay for Airwaves by bstadil · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As long as there is a requirement that the TV stations pay for the Spectrum they use, they can DRM the TV content until the cows comes home

    Make it expensive and cumbersome to watch TV and we will all be better off in the long run

    Only fools watch something where content and schedule is dictated by commercial interestes that do not have your welfare at heart.

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  25. My 2 favorite products. by bs_02_06_02 · · Score: 2, Funny

    MS Windows and Apex Televisions.

    I tell ya... there's nothing better than the $89 20" flat screen Apex TV I picked up for xmas 2 years ago. Fantastic picture, well-thought out remote, top quality product. Just like MS Windows.

    I'm kidding.

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  26. Re:What'll Happen? by upsidedown_duck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the next generation of movie houses will use video projection and the WMV file format

    This doesn't really matter, IMO. Movie theatres are already so expensive that I end up going only once per year, and, then, I'm still dissapointed (people kicking my seat, looking through big hair, $5 popcorn, and all the other reasons why watching movies at home is 1000% better--and cheaper--than going to a theatre). If next-generation video discs go to WMA, then I'll most likely just stop watching new movies altogether (at least there's 50+ years of good movies already made).

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  27. China has no property laws now. by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got back from China a few months ago. There are American DVDs everywhere. There was a van going around with 'Intellectual Property Enforcement' written on it... in English only... quite obviously for display purposes. China is probably the biggest pirate nation in the world, maybe second to Russia, maybe not. Combine industrial capacity with a total disregard for property laws.

    I would not be surprised if this is a step by Microsoft to get some Chinese folks with clout ("guanxi" in Chinese or "connections" in English is even more important in China than in the U.S.) That's the only way for MS to protect its IP in China and head off a prospective haven of bootlegged media and DRM flaunting software.

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    1. Re:China has no property laws now. by HungWeiLo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And this stuff's coming to the US too!

      Last weekend, I was at a mall (in the US), and there was a Russian guy with a stall (the ones usually selling picture-on-a-mug or Oakley sunglasses) selling these Chinese-made game controllers, which just happened to have 100 NES games loaded onto its ROM. Only $49.99 and you can plug this controller into any TV and play things like Mario, Duck Hunt, etc.

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  28. obviously by louden+obscure · · Score: 2, Funny

    the BSOD will be replaced by a RSOD.

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  29. Is This A Trick Question? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Funny

    "What will happen when low-cost labor in China is combined with Microsoft technologies?"

    How about this result:

    1) The labor will get more expensive as they get pissed off working on crap and demand better wages and better working conditions - such as NOT working on crap.

    2) Everything will be over-engineered and quality will drop through the floor.

    3) Security will become even worse than it was.

    4) China will nuke Redmond in retaliation.

    Oh, okay, everything is fine.

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  30. Chinese TV sets from the crypto dreams go real? by BACbKA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one that had to gulp on the article headline? In the crypto community, there is a notion of a "Chinese TV set" - a central-authority-controlled computing device that takes part in a distributed computation challenge unbeknowst to the owner, and informs him if he has to report the result suddenly printed on the screen to the authorities (smth along the lines "you've just been randomly selected by the central broadcasting authorities as a lottery winner. Please call this number and read them the following digits to verify your identity (broken key bits encoding follows) in order to claim XYZ Yuan prize"). Perhaps the Chinese govt. finally got the hint and decided to have this really implemented? :)

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