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Registered Traveler Program Open For Business
storem writes "Enrollment into TSA's Registered Traveler program started yesterday at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Frequent flyers are given the opportunity to sign up for a fast-track system using biometrics to identify themselves. It seems this is pretty much the same system tested in Europe in the s-Travel program. There frequent flyers carried their biometric identifiers (fingerprint & iris) with them between airports on a smart card (privacy reasons)."
If they carried their information with them on a smartcard, couldn't someone edit the smartcard and fake their info?
You can mod your friends, you can mod your nose, but you can't mod your friend's nose.
Now planebombers need to practice their routes more than before, establishing their frequent flyer status. Their biometric IDs will ensure that only the suicidal dupe is making the runs. At least the final flight will be recoupable in earned mileage. Saudi oil billions will buy only so much air travel.
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If your aim is to use the plane as a suicide bomb, will it matter to you if are fingerprinted? The people who were behiond 9/11 weren't known terrorists/criminals. They were quiet people, under the radar....
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There frequent flyers carried their biometric identifiers (fingerprint & iris) with them between airports on a smart card
Actually, we carried our biometric identifiers on our FINGERS and our EYES. That's the whole point, you see?
The only problem with an optional service that has an advantage over the standard service (ie, shorter lines...) is that it might become the defacto method over time. If enough people agree to the tracked biometrics, the entire system will inevitably switch over to biometrics.
And I'd probably defect to the "convenience" side myself if I were flying fairly often. Not really that different than the privacy invasion I tolerate for using a credit card. Boy do we pay for our conveniences in the long run...
No, the hidden subtext is "We really want to make this compulsory but cannot. So we'll give people the chance to opt in and over time make it really inconvenient for those who choose not to until eventually everyone opts in just to avoid the hassle."
Been through a fast-lane enabled toll booth recently? The cash lanes are getting fewer and slower all the time.
But they'll still know he is that businessman from the Middle East rather than a random dude who decided to pose as a business man. Establishing identity is a cruicial step in any security system and while it doesn't solve the problem directly, it will help reduce resources needed to establish identity. It also raises the bar for the terrorists a tad.
I suppose this is a consolation for having REALLY LONG security lineups in the US, but I can't help but wonder....
Rather than concentrating on doing things to secure planes from mad people, shouldn't we concentrate more on doing things to make mad people NOT want to blow us all up?
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Within a few years this "innovation" will be mandatory, and nobody will be allowed to fly without it.
I think keeping the information closer to where it is used is much better. They could simply have a card with a persons ID#, and then when they go...they put the card in, give and iris and fingerprint scan. That way we don't have to worry about it being hacked.
I believe every programmer knows that giving variables to the client are less safe then keeping them on the server, even beginners such as myself.
Raise the bar high enough that everyone's equally suspect and no one stands out as a suspect either. We're right back where we started, except more repressive. In a sense this makes things easier on potential terrorists as the rules are more overt, rigid, and thus defined and gamable.
Raise the bar higher and everyone is treated like a criminal, but the criminals are the only ones that don't mind.
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I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned that Israel has been offering a "trusted traveler" program since 1996.
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Regardless of your politics or religion or whatever, you have to admit that there are few countries that have to deal with terrorism on a more daily basis than Israel.
And it appears that Israel's voluntary program has also been effective on a logistics level. I found this quote via Google, from the page of Sen. Hutchison (R-TX) referencing a report by the General Accounting Office
At Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport, security waiting time has been reduced from approximately one hour to 20 seconds through the use of biometric identifiers.
The biometric identifiers mentioned are part of the "trusted traveler" program.
As long as any program such as this is not compulsory, I view it as a useful option.
- Neil Wehneman
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Nobody is liked by everyone... the diversity of ideas and viewpoints on a planet with multi-billions of people will absolutely ENSURE that someone, somewhere, hates you. Besides, does being unpopular justify violent action?
Just a couple of comments.
1. Fair point... I'll grant you this one.
2. In the right circumstances, I fully support preemptive war, just as I endorse police officers not waiting until they're shot at to shoot back (as a former SWAT officer, I've personal experience with this one). Giving your enemies the first punch is stupid; I can't see sacrificing lives on the basis of either indecision or moral cowardice.
3. Intelligence is often nothing more than a best guess. Occam's razor may be appropriate here... don't attribute to malice that which is explained by simple incompetence.
4. Avoid torturing? Good advice, and probably followed by the vast, overwhelming majority. But defining torture... and whether it's ever permissible is a great debate. Rhetorically, a case can be made for torture in some circumstances (if a terrorist knew where a nuke was, and refused to divulge that info, is torture justifiable? Does the tiny private moral victory of "I'm a good person... I don't torture others" drown out the screams of the millions you might be sacrificing by staying within your own moral comfort zone?) I honestly don't know the answer to that one. As technology progresses, and the technological bar to enter the nuclear-club gets lower and lower (and as nukes proliferate, ala AQ. Khan), that scenario becomes plausible... Seriously... what would you do?
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
So far it seems no one has pointed out the flipside of this "solution" and the social problems that follow. I'm talking about the effect it will have on the people who sign up and use it, instead of worrying about the system's effectiveness at discouraging terrorism (which is an altogether very important risk) I'm talking about its effective on our nation's social structure.
Without a doubt, some of the earliest users of this system will be the political class. Right now we are suppossed to be subject to random searches (as well as an apparently random no-fly list, but that's another topic). This condition means that potentially anyone, all the way up to the speaker of the house and the senate majority/minority leaders must entertain the possibility of being subjected to random search and all the inconvenience and embarrasment that goes with it.
There have been countless stories in the news of big famous celebrities and big important rich white politicians being subject to "pointless searches" since everybody knows they aren't terrorists. Well, besides the fact that some of these people are clearly off their rocker to begin with, at least being subjected to a search is equalitarian or in other words, it's "keeping it real," for those who make the rules too.
Once all the big fat important people effectively opt out of the hassle of searches, only the occasional flyer, the average joe and his poorer cousin, who still make up the majority of passengers, will be subject to the hassle of searches. The people in power will no longer have to live with the consequences of their (assinine and useless) "security" while the rest of us will still bear the brunt of it.
The next logical step is for "security" measures to be stepped up one little bit at a time because, after all, what politician wants to be seen as "soft on terrorism?" More thorough and invasive searches adding, say, 20 minutes to your wait time -- not a problem on paper since we are all expected to get to the airport 4 hours before departure, so there is plenty of time for extended and more frequent searches (yeah right). Since the very people who will inevitably be tightening the screws on the thumbs of general public will never feel the pressure themselves, it makes it that much easier for them to fuck with us with impunity.
On the plus side, the database of people in this program is certain to be a high-value target for identity theft. If security on the data is handled by the same people responsible for airport (in)security, then we can look forward to a successful break-in and theft of the database and all the personal information contained therein. Maybe the fallout from such a theft will be enough to get some effective data privacy laws passed in this country. But I'm not holding my breath.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Let me tell you something about torture.
It's only good for one thing: getting some innocent bugger to "confes" anything you want to hear, so you can then hold a fake trial and execute them. That's why it's been used so much for the last 10 millenia or so, and is still loved by dictators.
Think just of the _millions_ (literally, and we even have the records) who confessed to flying on broomsticks, having sex with the devil, summoning vile demons and plagues, signing pacts in blood with Satan, etc, at the hands of the Inquisition. Stuff that isn't even physically _possible_, but enough torture got that crap "confessed" anyway. That's the kind of bullshit that torture produces.
You get a fellow snug on a rack and torture them enough, they'll tell you any _lie_ you want to hear, just to make it stop. You just have to bring them to the point where even death looks like a nicer alternative.
But for actually obtaining _intelligence_ it's fucking useless. What you get is whatever _you_ had already decided you want to hear, not trze information you didn't know. I.e., you could just as well just act on your mis-conceptions and prejudice, and spare the torture part, since you'll get exactly there anyway.
So you know what will actually happen in your "terrorist with a nuke" scenario? You'll torture some innocent arab who probably didn't even like the fundamentalists at all in the first place. And you'll keep torturing him until he tells you whatever false "confession" you wanted to hear, just to make the pain stop.
Will you find your nuke? No fucking way. But now you have a "confession" so you can execute or deport an innocent.
Well gee... if that's what the "land of the free" is supposed to mean...
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The problem with the whole airline security mess is that they are trying to secure a very large area with the goal being to keep out less than 1/1000 of 1% of the people - and that group of people is not known. It simply doesn't make any sense. Military bases and other secure areas work by keep out 99% of the population and those who are allowed in are reasonably well checked. Trying to keep out an unknown .001% is impossible.
The old system worked reasonably well. During the 9/11 hijackings no guns, bombs, chemical mace, swords, stun guns or other major weapons were used. The security system worked. The failure wasn't in the security system - it was in how the flying populace was trained to react to a hijacking. Five guys with box cutters will not be able to take over an airplane again.
This new measure will make it easier for frequent flyers to put up with the current nonsense, allowing the TSA to perpetuate itself while offering no real security. There is no way you can keep hijackers off an airplane because YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. We have been successful in keeping them from having any major weapons. That, combined with the new attitude passengers will take towards hijackers are sufficient.
The next terrorist act in the U.S. will not involve airplanes. That barn door doesn't need any more shutting.
European countries already have to deal with terrorist attacks every year. E.g., see the bombing in Spain. I'm sure I've seen mentions of it even on tech sites.
But you know what? We still didn't devolve into a scared mob led by aggressive retards. We also didn't use it an excuse to either torture people or invade muslim countries for oil. We didn't burn mosques down, nor deport random arab-looking people each time someone detonated a bomb.
So get over it. The whole "oooh, scary terrorists, let's let the government fuck us 7 ways to sunday" scare in the USA just make me laugh. And the funny coloured alert level codes each time someone thought the neighbour's cat acts funny, really give me the fits of laughter.
You haven't even seen a fraction of the terror attacks the rest of the world has seen. You know how many terror attacks you've had in the USA last year? Exactly _zero_. Nil. Nada. Zilch. Nix.
And you still use that piss-poor excuse to justify torture or giving totalitarian powers to an illiterate retard. (Bush Jr.) You want to torture innocents for what? For a terror threat you _don't_ _even_ _have_? Geeze...
Here's an idea: those constitutional rights are there to protect _you_. If you let a retard take that away from you, in the name of a bogus terrorist scare, it is _you_ who'll have a problem, not the terrorists.
Here's another idea: How about taking a hint from the rest of the world already? You're the mightiest nation on Earth, for fuck's sake. Might as well finally start acting that way, instead of screaming in terror each time Bush Jr scared himself by thinking about the bogeyman under his bed.
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Guess I'm just missing something; I've not felt like security was too big a pain in the ass anyway.
The Democratic Party: We've been pussies since 1968!
Think of the things to come from this wonderous technology. I *really* can't wait until I can pay for things by fingering a nearby cash register... er, biometric validation register...
Sheesh... how long until we start seeing information from this system used against *us* (the NON-terrorists) in court? It's already being done with EZ-Pass and the like. ("Yes, your honor, it was my finger that purchased those condoms...")
This only makes it worse...
I think it's time for a one way ticket to Antartica!