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What A Portable Media Center Might Look Like

An anonymous reader writes "From the Redmond's answer to iPOD dept... While wandering the exhibitor aisles at Embedded DevCon, we were drawn to this slick looking reference design board in the Freescale (formerly Motorola Semiconductor) booth. The Portable Media Player Reference Design, a.k.a. "Jazz", is based on a Freescale i.MX21 embedded processor, runs Windows CE, and is compliant with Microsoft's Portable Media Center (PMC) standard. PMCs, Microsoft's answer to the iPOD, will initially support digital music and videos, digitally recorded television shows, and digital photos."

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  1. Not an iPod killer by StraightTalkExpress · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are several reasons this is not an iPod killer per se. Mostly because it does not beat the iPod in any of the areas in which the iPod excels: being a very small, very light, fairly durable, tightly enclosed music device with good battery life and a nice interface. MS's stuff is going to be necessarily larger, necesarily heavier, necesarily more precarious unless they ruggedize the HELL out of those LCDs and reinforce the plastic grating over the speaker. Battery life will probably be about the same as a portable DVD player, and if the interface is anything like Pocket Media Player, it's got NOTHING on the iPod.

    In short: this looks like it has exactly the same features and price point as the device I traded in for my iPod, a Toshiba PocketPC. And just like the PocketPC, it'll have limited appeal which becomes even MORE limited when Joe Q. Fancydevice realizes how hard it is to get first run movies onto it...i mean, how fast can the processor be in these things and still keep battery life?

    Still, competition is good for the industry. The market pressure will force Apple to make iTunes even better (and there's room for that). But I don't think they have too much to worry about...a bigass laptop wannabe is NOT in the same league as a tiny little music device.

    1. Re:Not an iPod killer by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I dont think this is designed to complete with the iPod at all. Looks like they are trying to create a whole new device market here.

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    2. Re:Not an iPod killer by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's funny. Looks to me like they're trying to bulid competition for the Playstation portable. Seems like an ages old market...

    3. Re:Not an iPod killer by 0racle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would a media player from MS be "necessarily larger, necessarily heavier, necessarily more precarious." All you'd have to do is buy a iPod and look at it and you'd have an idea what has to be done. The iPod was cool, but its not like you have to be a rocket scientist to understand it.

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    4. Re:Not an iPod killer by kevlar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't supposed to compete with the iPod. The LCD screen alone is the size of a PocketPC screen, but has incredible resolution, so much to the point where you look at it and you FEEL like you're looking at a much larger high-res screen. (I am speaking from personal experience).

      Yes it plays MP3's, VCD's, etc etc and uses hard drives for storage (they might have a CF version, I don't recall), but its definately not an iPod competitor based on its dimensions alone. It is still _VERY_ cool, and I wonder if their intention is to turn this into some sort of Game Boy Advanced device a-la XBox Embedded or something to that effect. That would be pretty cool....

    5. Re:Not an iPod killer by mr.+roboto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MS has decided to build a video player with a big, color LCD screen. This is what makes the larger size and weight necessary, while simultaneously making the device more fragile and limiting battery life.

    6. Re:Not an iPod killer by pherris · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There are several reasons this is not an iPod killer per se.

      I'll bet that Apple already has an answer to that thing anyways. Somewhere deep in their R&D department has to been an iPod with a color screen that plays Quicktime video files. It wouldn't surprise me if Jobs hasn't already started talking to video production companies asking them for the rights to distribute their shows. Want a copy of Frontline, Simpsons or "Good Eats"? It will cost you a $.99 for a 30 day copy. Remember, DRM can be added to the QT format.

      As you know (and as do most people that read /.) Apple has been two steps ahead of everyone else since the early '80s. They should turn out something by the end of next year and IMO it'll be worth the wait.

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  2. Not widescreen by YetAnotherName · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nice looking board, no doubt about it, but to really make a splash they ought've made it 16:9 instead of 4:3. Just like the old car commercial says, "Wider is better."

  3. Ogg support anyone? by John+the+Kiwi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone know if this will support Ogg? I'm still regretting putting my whole music collection into OGG format. IRiver is still a little expensive for me.

    1. Re:Ogg support anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      iRiver's PMP-140 runs Ogg, Divx, and MPEG-4, and... it's based on Linux :). Coming soon, already on my wishlist ..

      http://www.iriverswitzerland.com/product/pmp140. ht ml

    2. Re:Ogg support anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No offence, but that's the price you pay for using a fringe format. I mean if you want something supported by everyone use mp3. I fell in love with ogg vorbis early on. No matter what quality I used in mp3 the trebble always had problems. So I went to ogg vorbis and was very happy with the result. I also had to accept the fact that hacking ogg vorbis into my iBook was less than ideal, and I would probably never get support on most devices - but I still like ogg vorbis better.

    3. Re:Ogg support anyone? by maxbang · · Score: 4, Informative

      Get the Neuros. It supports ogg, has open source software, and is fairly inexpensive.

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  4. Re:No one can beat iPod by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    iPod is #1 because of marketing, pure and simple. They're selling a branded lifestyle, not electronics.

    Designer jeans don't cost so much more because they're necessarily better, or of a higher quality construction, etc..

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  5. Video Screens by blankinthefill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until the size, weight, and power consumption of screens that display video and photos are both reduced, and show an increase in quality, I don't believe that a device such as this will win out over the Ipod. It will be either too bulky, or it's screen will be too small for any real use, or the batteries won't last an acceptable amount of time, or a million other problems. Sometimes it's better just to do one thing, and do it well, than to try to do many things, and do all poorly.

  6. "feature" by dirtmerchant · · Score: 4, Funny

    The reason for the largish size:

    When the weight of the stack of EULAs equals that of the product, Microsoft releases.

    1. Re:"feature" by strictnein · · Score: 2, Funny

      speaking of size... What are the dimensions on this thing? For all we know it's about 2ft X 4ft (or .6096m x 1.2192m for the metric among us (they're everywhere!))

  7. Pre-emptive?? by bairy · · Score: 3, Funny
    Real-time, pre-emptive multi-tasking kernel

    What the hell is pre-emptive in this case.. it does something before you tell it to? That's not so much clever as scary

    Also, "Real-time".. er, isn't it supposed to be realtime? Would be a tad annoying if it did it 5 mins after (aka Windows ME)

    Lastly, just cos everyone else has and I want a go...:
    Yes, but does it run linux?

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  8. Put Linux, XINE, and MAME on this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Before everyone gets in an uproar over the word 'Microsoft', remember that this device simply follows the standard Microsoft created.

    It's based on an ARM processor, so should this device ever take off, the ARM Linux port could easily be customized to take advantage of all the features.

    This could also be used as a MP3/video player for your living room stereo and TV, connected to the server via the built in ethernet.

    Also, if you look carefully at this larger view, notice the device could make a really cool portable gaming device. Imagine running MAME on this...

    Of course, if Linux were loaded on the device we would not need to worry about silly things such as DRM (included in the Microsoft specification.)

  9. Freescale vs Mot. semi by csirac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had a bitter experience with Motorola's 9S12DP 1K79X defects (SCI interrupts, PLL registers, BDM bugs, CAN freakiness, etc).

    Does anyone know what the roadmap is for their 16bit MCU lines? Perhaps I should be using Renesas or go 8bit AVR...

  10. Some missing features... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the screenshot:
    My Music
    My Movies
    My TV Shows
    My Pictures
    Settings

    They forgot to include :
    My MPAA lawsuits
    My RIAA lawsuits
    My upcoming jail terms
    DirectPay (TM) money transfer

    It's about time somebody came up with a Personal Lawsuit Origanizer.

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    1. Re:Some missing features... by eofpi · · Score: 3, Funny
      It's about time somebody came up with a Personal Lawsuit Origanizer.
      Nah, then the lawyers would sue for interference with their business model....
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    2. Re:Some missing features... by Stevyn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey I NEED those folders. Back when those folders didn't exist, I would just randomly throw music anywhere. I had 302 mp3's on my desktop at one time. Thank god microsoft stepped in with this innovation.

      And Settings? Who needs to adjust settings? What are you? Some terrorist trying to run "linux"?

  11. better name.... by drtomaso · · Score: 2, Funny

    It needs a better name. One that characterizes its functionality, and portability.

    Let me be the first to suggest "omni-pr0n-sent."

  12. More of a PVR by jzilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well unlike an ipod it plays video as well and audio. I personally can't wait until these type of devices become affordable to people like me. My personal favorite of this type is the Archos 400 which can also record video as well.

    1. Re:More of a PVR by sokoban · · Score: 2, Funny

      Little bit of a niche market there. I'd say it appeals more to the 18-35 still living at home guys who need a portable device for all their pr0n viewing needs. In other words, the /. crowd.

      Come on, can't you nerds take a joke? :-P

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  13. Ahh yes, that "old" saying.... (?) by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
    Nice looking board, no doubt about it, but to really make a splash they ought've made it 16:9 instead of 4:3. Just like the old car commercial says, "Wider is better."

    Windows CE - The Pontiac of Operating Systems.

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    1. Re:Ahh yes, that "old" saying.... (?) by mblase · · Score: 2, Funny

      Windows CE - The Pontiac of Operating Systems

      It's a curious coincidence that that acronym "P.O.S." stands for something else Windows CE is often called.

  14. Not impressed by A.+Pizmo+Clam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems to me that this has got to be an all time low point for announcements of innovation in consumer electronics. Why? Maybe its because of the down turn in the tech-market means new products are not being developed. Another possibility is that microsoft's moves into hardware production(x box,phones) and Hardware specification (palladium, watches, media player, smartScreens) is having a chilling effect on the electronics industry. Recently they (allegedly) tried bankrupt a phone maker and move his technology to a competitor. Shades of Stacker and all the other software companies microsoft co-opted, ruined then bought their technology.

    There is little doubt that MS stifled innovation in software. Just the fact that jobs could tweak an open source project to tripple the speed of a web browser over IE, when IE has had a clear field to innovate for five years or more, speaks volumes about the MS innovation stifle field. How could apple even dream they could technologically beat MS in the Power point market, but they did.

    Does anyone else find these MS offerings utterly tepid compared to Apple innovation the day before?

    M$ gates announces a recylced idea for a portable that shows sport scores, headlines, and plays RIAA/MPAA approved media. The debut the smartScreen, a 1500$ screen-only that hooks to your compute by wi-fi but cant play movies or mp3s, then they announce that anyone who already bought was is out of luck since that they will be changing the specs to use 802.11a to get better bandwidth for movies. then an oversized so-called "video" ipod that also cant show DVD movies, for more bucks than a ipod.

    The only thing I thought was interesting was that they decided to switch to 802.11a for the smartScreens and not 802.11g. I dont know much about these standards except what Jobs said. 802.11a is dead, because it is not backwards compatible with 802.11b hotspots whereas 802.11g is.

    How is it possible that one company can lead the entire market year after year going back all the way to the taming of dynamic memory. While the other company can lead the bussiness world and innovate nothing.

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  15. Pocket PC by mschoolbus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My Pocket PC can play video and audio files, play emulated NES games, browse the web, and a whole lot more...

    You need to re-encode your mpegs or avis to a PPC friendly bitrate, but its not that tough.

  16. Right approach by coolsva · · Score: 5, Insightful
    iPod isn't popular because it can do a lot, rather, because it is simple to use and very limited in what it can do. But what I can do, it does it very well. I don't need 3 rocking buttons, 5 regular silver buttons, one jog dial having a zillion functions to play my music.
    Walkman, before this, was popular not because it offered equalizer (it didnt), radio (initially, it didnt), multiple headphone jacks etc. It was popular because it was simple.

    If you want to make a iPod killer, make a device that is simple to use, good 'OS' (that has AI like remember my favorites and gives them priority in random mode), practical capacity (not insane sizes like 40GB, who has or wants 10,000 songs on their palm?).

    Oh, it also has to look cool and not be a commodity. And, did I say, no DRM?

    1. Re:Right approach by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why's everything need to be an "iPod killer"?

      I don't want an "iPod killer". To me, iPod was stillborn. I can get an mp3 cd player for 20 bucks with all the simplicity you crave, and capacity I need.

      A portable audio/video media player is a wholly new market, and something I may actually be interested in. It's "something I don't already have", as opposed to "something that does exactly what the thing you already have does, but just a bit different, and for 15x the price".

      The potential hackability of this platform has my interest piqued as well. What are you going to hack an iPod to do? Play another format of music... oh woooooowee I just split my pants.

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  17. Having "JAZZ!" attached as Device Name by CygnusXII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You think, they would do some additional market research to possible, names. JAZZ, is so closely associated with iOmegas' Jazz Drive, and their infamy is well, known. I wouldn't want to be even remotely associated to that company.

    Some kind of Name a little more media savy or Market Targetable.

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  18. Sony U50 / U70 ? by Tensor · · Score: 3, Informative

    This functionality exists in these two devices. They are small, portable (0.5 kg) with a decent battery life (2.5~3hrs watching divx) have MStick and CF interfaces, USB 2.0 and touch screen, 256 (u50) or 512 (u70).

    True they are expensive at USD 1,500 and USD 1,700

    But they are a full-blown computer with a Celery M 900 o Centrino 1Ghz.

    I'd rather buy one of these.

  19. Sorry, I don't have 20/10 vision. by zeitgeist_chaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does it come with a magnifying lens so I can see what's happening when I play my TV shows and videos? Maybe it's just me, but I find that any video screen smaller than about 10" is completely unwatchable. To make matters worse, mobile video is even more difficult to see on the go because of the variations in ambient light intensity and the jostling motion of walking/commuting/etc.

    These mini-video players look like a poor solution to a non-problem.

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  20. Forget MSPMC, buy a MEC Station Deluxe by skermit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MEC Station Deluxe

    6.5" 16:9 Aspect Ratio Screen
    20gb, 40gb, 80gb, flavors ($599, $699, $799)
    Compact flash support (so you can dump pics from a digicam card STRAIGHT onto the MEC, i.e. if you're on a vacation and need a lot of pic space but only have one card)
    TV-out
    ~4.5 hour battery life

    and for the supported media formats...

    MPG-1, MPG-2, MPG-4 (DiVX, XViD, RM), JPG, GIF, BMP, WAV, MP3

    and in the future...

    TXT, OGG

    Plus it runs embedded linux variant (not sure which one).

    I have one, and it's out NOW.
    It rocks. It rocks...

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