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Daleks Exterminated From New Dr. Who

albino eatpod writes "The BBC are reporting that despite 'the very best deal possible,' a failure to agree terms between the BBC and the estate of late sci-fi writer Terry Nation has meant that we will not being seeing TV's most evil villains in the new series, starring Christopher Eccleston and Billy Piper."

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  1. Daleks and Dollars by mfh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This always happens when you have an estate controlling the interests of an artist or writer. Estate holders only consider the money side of things, but most artists alive wish only to impact the world, by sharing their life-blood with the public -- forget the bottom line. Either that, or the creative community is simply addicted to the process of creation that they don't recognize the business side of things as being very necessary or important. The spirit of art is passion, and sharing passion can make passion spread like a wildfire. I think that it's sacrilege for heirs of creative folks to block the art because of the almighty buck. Therefore, I too will miss our mighty Dalek overlords.

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    1. Re:Daleks and Dollars by lacrymology.com · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I believe has been a problem with the Tolkein estate aswell."

      Oh great! So we won't be able to see Dr. Who fight Hobbits either!?!?

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  2. Superior Beings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bah, they couldn't even climb a flight of stairs!

  3. Lets be honest by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The daleks trundling about would look pretty pathetic to modern kids.

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    1. Re:Lets be honest by gadders · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's not true at all. The world is much more at risk from a Dalek invasion than it ever was in the 70's, due to the various ramps and lifts installed for people in wheelchairs. It's political correctness gone mad.

  4. We have created a new enemy for the Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the new version, Davros puts the Dalek bioplasm into Roombas. Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate all dirt in deep pile!

  5. More than money by voice+of+unreason · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, money isn't behind this fallout. Basically, when Terry Nation died, he was pissed of at the BBC, and pretty much didn't want them to have the Daleks under most circumstances. So I'm not surprised that the estate is being picky.

    As for the new show, I don't think the lack of Daleks will really hurt it. If you watch the old shows, they had a pretty big variety of popular villians. The Daleks didn't appear in most episodes. The BBC still has lots of other classic villians they can use, like cybermen, autons, the Black Guardian, and the Master, who was always popular. They also had some great baddies that were only on for one storyline, like Sutekh or the Tractators. Really, though, they should also be making up new villians and characters as well, not just using old ones.

  6. Short Borg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they could get permission to use the Borg. Short ones. With wheels instead of legs. And with annoying voices. "You will be assimilated! Assimilate! Assimilate!"

  7. I've studied the Dalek's at length... by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 5, Funny


    ...at this site and I can see Dr. Who's problem. Without the Daleks, what new peril's will Dr. Who face if he's matched against a villian that could chase him up a ladder or through a narrow passage? If I ran the estate of Terry Nation I'd come to terms with the BBC before the BBC realizes "TV's most evil villians" are a cross between a shuttlecock and a salt shaker.

  8. Hardly by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...but most artists alive wish only to impact the world, by sharing their life-blood with the public -- forget the bottom line.

    It's a nice, romantic view but it isn't the case here. Terry Nation had a serious falling out with the BBC over control and payments, and continually refused the BBC permission to use them. I believe various other monsters are involved as well - a true Whovian will be able to fill the details in here, as opposed to myself who just watches the programmes on cable sometimes.

    Plus, the BBC doesn't have a very good record with Daleks. There aren't very many working models left, and when the BBC borrowed one from the Dr Who Exhibition in Llangollen (now back in Blackpool after god know's hoow many years) they managed to damage it.

    Nope, I'm not at all surprised by this decision. And to be honest, I'm not all bothered either. It would be nice for a bit of continuity I suppose, but really I'm sure they can find more villians to go up against.

    More worrying to me is the idea of 50 minute stand-alone episodes, rather than maybe half-hour installments that you had before. I really feel they need to keep the cliffhangers that used to typify the series.

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Hardly by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Interesting
      There used to be (5-6 years ago) a Dalek as part of the window display of a garage in Elgin. I used to go past it on my way from Aberdeen to Inverness. I stopped in once, and asked the owner. He said it was a real Dalek, rescued from being disposed of by the BBC.


      Last time I went past, it was an outdoor clothing shop (wtf?). Didn't see the Dalek, but it might be worth chasing.

  9. Dalek's were a bit overrated anyway.... by JackJudge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I mean look at their track record, after Davros was introduced they were reduced to the level of galactic criminals and pests, not the all conquering ruthless invaders we feared from the show's first decade.
    Fanboys will prolly argue that in Genesis OFTD, where Davros was introduced, the Time Lords asked the Doctor to interfere to hamstring their development. He succeeded only too well. As long as Davros was around he caused so much internal strife among the Daleks, culminating in a civil war, that they realy were just shadows of their former selves.

  10. Copyright Too Long by Famatra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What benefit is it to society to have copyright so long that the great grandchildren of the authors have say over the work?

    Copyright should end at death, and be at most 30 years in length. 30 years seems like a reasonable amount of time to get money out of the monopoly on the expression of an idea.