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On Afghanistan's Thomas Edison

13.7BillionYears writes "The Institute for War and Peace Reporting details on the exploits of Ghulam Sediq Wardak, a 62 year old semi-literate Afghan with 341 clever inventions to his credit. His first was a radio powered by the low voltage produced by the human body. His most recent is a 1980 Volkswagen rigged to run on solar power. A handful of others are mentioned. Like many a Slashdotter, his parents were once very worried and he eschews patents. 'The main purpose of my inventing is not to earn money,' he says. 'I want to render a service to my countrymen and to all people in the world.'"

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  1. Re:well by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Informative

    If he wanted to that more completely, he could have gone about patenting his inventions and through that legal ownership making them freely available for all to use.

    No kidding. It's almost always the 'assignee' who causes all the trouble, not the 'inventor'. Problem is, it's pretty damn expensive to get a patent, at least in the US.

  2. Re:Clearly not like Edison by xOleanderx · · Score: 2, Informative

    But edisons invention were very groundbreaking... Edison's Inventions

  3. Tidbit of the day by TigerTime · · Score: 5, Informative

    Edison made 1,093 patents in his lifetime. That averages out to 1 patent every 4 weeks of his life.

    That definitely doesn't sound like this guy.

    1. Re:Tidbit of the day by lavaface · · Score: 2, Informative

      Remember that Edison ran a laboratory with many scientists who all contributed work towards his patents. If you think about it, Edison was a precursor to modern technology corporations. That is he provided labs for brilliant people to work and in return, he maintained ownership of all the patents. Edison had incredible ingenuity, but he was also quite capable of taking others' ideas and making them his own.

  4. Re:1980 Volkswagen? by orulz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Notice that the article says 25kph, not mph. 25kph =~ 15.5mph. Sounds more reasonable like that, doesn't it?

  5. Re:Edison? Patents? What? by DaveJay · · Score: 4, Informative

    FYI: Nikolai Tesla invented AC generators, not Edison. Edison pushed DC, and publicly electrocuted stray dogs using AC as a demonstration of AC's "inherent dangers" (keeping in mind that DC of the same voltage would have been just as deadly.)

  6. Re:1980 Volkswagen? by Buran · · Score: 5, Informative

    Without knowing what kind of engine is being used, its specs, and other details, it's hard to say. The Beetle is a very modifiable car and it's not that heavy -- it was designed, after all, for a small 34hp engine to be able to push it to cruising speeds on the Autobahns and yet be easily maintained by the ordinary people who would buy them.

    The Beetle changed little from its mid-1930s beginnings as the KdF-Wagen to the final version that rolled off the Puebla assembly line in 2003.

  7. Re:Amazing by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    While there's nothing groundbreaking about the 'inventions' themselves, the fact that he has persisted with his tinkering in the midst of an Arab culture speaks of incredible curiosity, freethinking, and persistence.

    Errrrr... since when is Afghanistan "Arab"?

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  8. Re:1980 Volkswagen? by amacedo · · Score: 3, Informative

    It depends.

    Volkswagen is a brand, not a model. In 1980 there we're at least the Polo, Golf, Passat and Beegle models (and their respecive subsets). The first Golf VWs were very lightweight, my family owned one in the 80s.

  9. Re:Proof to Microsoft of prior art! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Except that Microsoft's patent has nothing to do with powering anything by the voltage produced by the human body.

  10. Re:tall tales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Ever hear of a jet pump ? The water table here is 140 FEET below ground. I guess that transparent liquid that flows out of my facets does not exist.

  11. Re:Proof to Microsoft of prior art! by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Informative

    IIRC, the Microsoft patent is more involved in using the human body for data transmission. It didn't have anything to do with power transmission or generation.

  12. Rapidly Diminishing in Edison's Day by weston · · Score: 5, Informative

    Edison was a patent fiend. Mind you, he probably deserved the patents. That didn't mean he was above some unethical behavior, such as trying to convince people that DC was perfectly harmless (it's not) while Tesla's AC was much more dangerous (and my understanding is that AC is indeed dangerous, but more likely to burn you than stop your heart). Read the Edison's FUD section in Wikipedia's War of the Currents for an overview.

    Edison was a great man, but I don't know that he had the spirit of our Afghani friend.

    1. Re:Rapidly Diminishing in Edison's Day by penguinland · · Score: 5, Informative
      Mind you, he [Edison] probably deserved the patents.

      From your own link:
      Edison's patents "were actually made by his numerous employees - Edison was frequently criticized for not sharing the credits." He claims credit for some great works, and whoever invented them was a great person (or, more likely, people). However, Edison himself was a jackass. He employed people to invent things for him, and then he stole their IP.

      Feel free to mod me "off-topic," but this needed to be said.

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  13. Re:tall tales by TXG1112 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course you can. I myself have seen water come out of a thousand foot deep well. What you can't do is suck up water under vacuum over 1 atm. You can most certainly push water up thousands of feet.

    Here is a company that sells pumps that do just that. (See under vertical turbine pumps).

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  14. Re:Clearly not like Edison by GrpA · · Score: 5, Informative

    Edison invented very little. His real skill was in taking the credit for other's work. Most of "Edison's Inventions" came from his employees, not the man himself.

    Again, clearly not like this guy.

    Edison represents everything that many real inventors resent about patents and the patent system.

    GrpA

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  15. Re:Clearly not like Edison by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly. He sounds a lot more like Nikola Tesla to me.

  16. Not Edison by tuxlove · · Score: 4, Informative

    To compare this man to Edison does him a disservice. Edison was a capitalist to the core, to the point of pushing bad technology over good if it would make him more money. For example, he was an opponent of AC power, because with AC power you can have large central power centers; with DC power, you have to have many local power distribution centers because transmission is much less efficient over distance. He wanted DC power even though it sucks, because he wanted to have a stake in every one of the numerous distribution centers required to make it work. Lucky for all of us he lost that battle.

    This Afghani sounds like a good person, one who actually cares about people more than money. That would set him far above Edison.

    1. Re:Not Edison by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, it isn't cheaper to convert from DC to AC. Quite the opposite, in fact. A DC to AC inverter is a fairly sophisticated device requiring a power oscillator driving a transfomer, and if you want a relatively pure sine wave to drive inductive devices (transformers and motors) its even more complex and expensive. On the other hand, dropping 110VAC to a few volts DC is a trivial affair involving a transformer, a diode bridge and a filter cap. The wall-wart that runs your cordless phone is an example of that, although for more expensive devices (such as cell phones) switching converters are becoming more popular because the high frequency employed means a teeny little transformer is all that you need. Saves even more on materials.

      You're wrong about distributed power stations. That would have been possible regardless of the transmission medium, but the reason that it is not done is simple economy of scale. Building lots of small facilities is substantially more costly than building a few centralized ones. Rather than being able to locate coal or oil-fired power plants in remote areas, we would be forced to have them right next door. Bad idea all around, and given the Bush Administration's propensity for eliminating power-plant pollution-control requirements I don't think I'd want to live near one of your neighborhood power plants. The closest were coming to that is the nuclear pebble reactor, which ironically may make your dream of local power plants a reality, but I still wouldn't want to live near one.

      And I don't know what you mean about "alternate sources of energy", that's really easy to say but a lot harder to accomplish. Maybe if cold-fusion had panned out that would be possible, but then I'd say go even further and make small power sources for individual buildings.

      Truth is, it's been over a hundred years since Edison's time, and we still haven't found anything substantially better than what we have, and if we had gone down Edison's road and made a huge investment in a DC power system without any long-distance transport capability we would have found ourselves royally screwed. Heavy industry as we know it would probably have been impossible, since there would be no way to concentrate the amount of energy they require. To give you an example, United States Steel's Continuous Casting facility in Indiana has thirty seven separate private substations, drawing power from numerous points in the grid and from multiple power plants. It took that many just to get them enough power to run the big Sumitomo concast. However, for them to have built enough self-generating capacity to power just that one unit would have been prohibitive, I was told when I was out there once some years ago. Not hard to believe, once I realized that firing up one melt requires several hundred megawatts. No, there's really no question that Westinghouse and Tesla had the right idea, and we're damned lucky that Edison blew it.

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    2. Re:Not Edison by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Informative
      Every device/appliance has one, short of the original light bulbs and some heaters. Computers, TV's, stereos, microwaves, etc.. I could list at least 80% of the things in your house as needing a DC convertor.

      Actually, microwaves contain a big step-up transformer--they need a big chunk of high voltage current to do their thing. If you had DC mains, you'd have to convert to AC first, then rectify back to DC at higher voltage. Others on the thread have noted that building DC to AC converters is more costly than going the other way, too.

      Yes, you have many DC appliances--but they operate at different voltages. Heck, your PC has 3.3, 5, and 12 volt rails. Converting between one DC voltage and another is a real pain in the neck, unless you don't mind wasting a ton of juice.

      The real killer problem is that if you want to supply DC to homes at a voltage directly useful in small appliances (say 12 V) then you need to have absolutely massive wires to carry all the current. Let's say you want 200 W at 12 V for your computer--that's going to be nearly 17 amps. To run a hair dryer (1000 W) that's going to be more than eighty amps. If you're cooking dinner in the microwave, the air conditioner is running, plus you have the computer and a few lights on, you're pushing three hundred amps. In newly constructed homes, my understanding is that 200 amp service is the norm; older buildings may only have 100 amp or even sixty amp service. At 200 amps you're looking at pretty hefty cables. If each home starts requiring cable that can handle a thousand amps, you're getting into a lot of copper awfully quickly--even if the supply is relatively local.

      Internal wiring would also have to be much heavier to avoid overheating. Resistance heating goes up linearly with resistance--but as the square of current. You probably wouldn't want to have to lift a hundred-foot extension cord.

      Yes, you could get away with the same thickness of wiring you use now if you supply high-voltage DC inside the home, but then you would need a step-down transformer for all the same appliances that have wall warts now.

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  17. pressure, not weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's pressure that affects how much something hurts when it goes over your foot, not the total weight. A "very lightweight" car is almost certainly far over 500 lbs, yet having a 500 lb anvil on your foot would hurt an awful lot. You would have a newly acquired flat foot. Car tires are usually pumped up to 30 psi, so a car with slightly flat tires would be painful, but not damage your foot very much. That applies to heavy cars just as much as to light ones.

    As an estimate: assume a tire pressure of 20 psi, and approximate the end of your foot as a right angle triangle with sides 5 inches and 4 inches long. That gives 10 square inches of contact area, or 200 lbs of weight on your feet.

  18. Re:He's a Wardak, alright. by nacturation · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think I know where the lions share of dotters stand.

    By the way (hey, the other guy got +5), the lion's share doesn't mean the majority. The lion's share is 100%... everything. It's from one of Aesop's Fables:

    The Lion's Share

    The Lion went once a-hunting along with the Fox, the Jackal,
    and the Wolf. They hunted and they hunted till at last they
    surprised a Stag, and soon took its life. Then came the question
    how the spoil should be divided. "Quarter me this Stag," roared
    the Lion; so the other animals skinned it and cut it into four
    parts. Then the Lion took his stand in front of the carcass and
    pronounced judgment: The first quarter is for me in my capacity
    as King of Beasts; the second is mine as arbiter; another share
    comes to me for my part in the chase; and as for the fourth
    quarter, well, as for that, I should like to see which of you
    will dare to lay a paw upon it."

    "Humph," grumbled the Fox as he walked away with his tail
    between his legs; but he spoke in a low growl.

    "You may share the labours of the great, but you will not
    share the spoil."

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  19. Re:1980 Volkswagen? by nacturation · · Score: 2, Informative

    What do you mean 'those countries'? There's nothing weird about the sunlight in Afghanistan...

    I don't know about Afghanistan, but you get more energy per square meter from the sun on the equator than you do in, say, Portland Oregon which is at about 45 degrees North. In Kenya, you would get sqrt(2) or around 1.4 times more energy than you would in Portland. That 40% difference could easily be enough to get a car up to 25 km/h, which is 40% less than 25 mph.

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  20. Re:Clearly not like Edison by anethema · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's true. Edison was a great business man, not so great an inventor.

    What he was most famous for (the lightbulb) was invented long before him. He simply combined the old invention of the lightbulb, with someone elses long lasting filament, and bang, edison 'invented the lightbulb'.

    Most of his inventions came out of his menlo park complex, where he had MANY employees who were told to invent any wacky thing they desired. But everything coming out of menlo park was credited to edison.

    The mentioned nikola tesla was the exact type of inventor people idolize, its amazing that he doesnt recieve more recognition. He invented the AC generator, different types of transformers, the resonating (tesla) coil, the radio, and many other things.

    Quite a few inventions of tesla's are somehow credited to other people in popular educational literature. For example, the radio. Ask most people who invented the radio they will say marconi. Yet tesla had patented everything marconi wanted to patent years before. There was a huge lawsuit going right to the supreme court and they ruled marconis patents invalid, since tesla's were prior art. Yet even wiht this supreme court decision, most encyclopedias will list marconi as radio's inventor.

    Eiiither way, the main point beeing is edison wasnt all that great of an inventor, more a very shrewd business man. Unless you are in business, and wish to learn more about how a ruthless business man should behave, edison isnt really someone you should be idolizing.

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  21. Re:Geek, thy name is "Sediq" by x-caiver · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually those are two separate things.
    You're right about the 'jury rig' stuff, not disagreeing with that BTW.

    Some dictionaries will say that 'jerry rig' means the same as 'jury rig' (that is what dictionary.com would tell you, for example). But you can find explanations of the differences. Basically think: Jury rig = temporary, quick-fix solution, possibly a novel implementation & Jerry rig = not necessarily temporary, junk solution.

    See the Wordorigins.org J-word page, as well as this WordCourt page or this Phrase Finder post

  22. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Crystal radios don't even need the body's voltage, as far as I know. The body does, however, make a pretty good (and portable) antenna, so I figure that's probably what he did. (Regular 'transistor radio' earpieces are still the high-impedance kind needed for a crystal set, though if he fabricated his own... he really deserves a prize.)

  23. ... in the midst of an Arab culture... ??? by PaulBu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hmm, man, I guess you are a bit confused... You know those characters, like, '1', '2', '3', up to '9' -- those vere actually made "in the midst of Arab culture", And I guess '0' too (though not sure), but the reast are definitely called "Arabic numerals", as opposed to "Roman numerals" of the I,II, III, IV... variety. And the symbol of 'X' as well as the word al-gebra was of the same descent.

    So, I think that you do confuse current fundamentalist Arab politicians/"warriors" with "the Arab culture"...

    Paul B.

  24. Re:Project Wardak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    I hope so... I was wondering how you say "you insensitive clod" in Pashto.

    la anta kerabha ab'thane

    It could be translated like "you are a not sensitive idiot". The ' is a glottal stop.

    Mohammed Kaif

  25. Re:I dont believe the whole story. by AndrewHowe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Er, no. The solar panels will charge batteries.

  26. Re:How generous by Afrosheen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Extremely high. With a record export of $2.5bn expected this year, some farmers are rich beyond their wildest dreams. I read an article last night about an Afghan man and his brother making well over $5600 per month growing Opium. While they felt guilt over it since Islam prohibits growing or using drugs, they asked Allah for forgiveness since they have no other choice. They both support around 35 people, and I'm sure they aren't complaining. When a crop of wheat on that same land only nets you about $121 per month, and you have 35 babies sucking at your teats, the choice is clear. It's a purely economic choice and the consequences aren't considered (people in my country aren't hooked on this shit, why should I care).

    A post above mine has some nice BBC links, but googling 'afghanistan opium' will land around 125,000 hits. Some of those articles may lead you to links between the CIA and bin Laden, drug lords, etc. Pretty fascinating stuff.