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The Traveling Salesman Problem Meets Starbucks

Call Me Black Cloud writes "John 'Winter' Smith, a contract computer programmer, is living the traveling salesman problem. His personal quest is to visit every company-owned Starbucks and he's not doing too badly. After 7 years he's hit over 4,000 locations in the United States and 167 in Britain and Japan. What motivates him? That's one for the professionals to answer, but since Starbucks opens an average of 10 stores per week it doesn't look like Winter will be stopping any time soon. His website offers insight into why he does this ('to be different') and has pictures of the 4000+ Starbucks he's visited."

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  1. How does one make a living... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    when constantly assaulted by coffee craps?

    One of the great unanswered questions.

    1. Re:How does one make a living... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's a computer programmer. Therefore, he's powered by caffeine. Without it he does not function.

    2. Re:How does one make a living... by david.given · · Score: 4, Funny
      He's a computer programmer. Therefore, he's powered by caffeine. Without it he does not function.

      It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that the mind acquires speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning, it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion...

    3. Re:How does one make a living... by Phleg · · Score: 3, Funny

      It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that the mind acquires speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning, it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion...

      I saw the words "Java" and "speed" in your post, and almost modded you as a troll. That is, until I noticed you were talking about coffee.

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  2. Venti me? by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just wondering if he's been keeping track of the health effects of going to Starbuck's so offten...

  3. Four bucks a cup! by niko9 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Among the paramedics at work they are known as Fourbucks, on acount of their prices. ;P

    1. Re:Four bucks a cup! by bluekanoodle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it takes a wealthy benefactor to drink a cup of starbucks coffee. After all, that's cheaper then a pack of cigarettes, and that has never stopped people (predominantly lower income) from smoking.

    2. Re:Four bucks a cup! by GoofyBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >What really irks me about Starbucks though is how irritated they seem when I order a small

      How do they display this "irritation"?

      You know that the guy serving you doesn't give a care what you buy since he gets paid by the hour regardless of what you order? In fact, he might be happy that you have such a simple order since it doesn't involve alot of work or thinking.

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  4. now if he was CLEVER... by acroyear · · Score: 4, Funny

    he would have written a computer program to keep track of all the starbucks, and visit them in the chronological order that they were opened, and have that program keep track of all the messy details of any that closed or moved, etc.

    (yes, a douglas adams reference to the infinitely prolongued guy who insulted the universe in alphabetical order)

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    1. Re:now if he was CLEVER... by Finuvir · · Score: 4, Informative

      That was Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged, made immortal by an accident involving an irrational particle accelerator, a liquid lunch and two elastic stripes. Arthur Dent? Arthur Phillip Dent? You're a jerk... A complete asshole.

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  5. To be different? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Visiting every starbucks to be different is like visiting every taxidermist's shop because it's the cool thing to do and all the kids are doing it.

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  6. He's on TV! by strictnein · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wouldn't want to mention this:

    I'm scheduled for a short interview on CNN Headline News Thusday, July 8, at approximately 7:45 PM EDT.

    Gotta love that Headline News. Ever since the merger they avoid any type of real news like the plague. And the average age of the news presenters is, what, 13?

    1. Re:He's on TV! by ryanvm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gotta love that Headline News. Ever since the merger they avoid any type of real news like the plague.

      Oh shit - the plague is back?!?

  7. Traveling Salesman Problem? by bje2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was under the impression that the traveling salesman problem had to do with finding the most efficient (i.e. shortest) route to traverse a *finite* amount of points...how is this the same?

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    1. Re:Traveling Salesman Problem? by stevemm81 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think they just put that to appeal to our Slashdot nerdiness :).

      He's just visiting a lot of points in an ever-expanding graph without much regard for the optimal route, so yeah, it's not the TSP.

    2. Re:Traveling Salesman Problem? by N3Z · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought it had something to do with the farmers daughter.

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    3. Re:Traveling Salesman Problem? by kris_lang · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmm... If I wanted to be like Len Adelman, I could encode each Starbuck's location into a short oligonucleotide sequence, create matched-pair of DNA oligos each representing a travel-step from starbu_x to starbu_y, create a DNA soup (watch your filthy mind!) of these oligo-pairs, do the appropriate restrictions and selections by weight and publish an article in Science or Nature, have the journalists and flacks mis-represent it as being a DNA computer capable of solving the "Travelling Salesman" problem when every mathematician and theorist knows it to be the Directed Hamiltonian Graph problem, not worry about it, and move on.

      Oh, and please insert "profit" and the appropriate "/item" tags around the list above, and let LaTeX number it for me. Thanx.

    4. Re:Traveling Salesman Problem? by winterene · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hey, Winter here. The traveling salesman problem (as I remember if from my comp. sci courses) comes into play when I reach a city where I've numerous Starbucks to visit as quickly as possible before leaving. For example, today, Around Atlanta--Hiram, Austell, Suwanee, Kennsaw, and Conyers. Or anywhere in California.

  8. End of the Universe by ari_j · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's really important, though, is how many Starbucks he has seen across the street from another Starbucks.

    1. Re:End of the Universe by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

      how many Starbucks he has seen across the street from another Starbucks

      While this is quite funny on the surface there is sound business reasoning behind it. Most traffic intersections are laid out in such a way that a shop on one corner is a major pain to get to from driving along the opposite side of the street. And then getting back the way you were headed requires a major detour. So in a high density area with a lot of traffic it is perfectly worthwhile to open two shops, each on opposite corners to catch customers headed in both directions. Keep in mind when opening your own shop, whether a franchise of a major chain or a private brand.

    2. Re:End of the Universe by parc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There was an interview on NPR uite some time ago with someone from starbucks, and the interviewer asked him about starbucks so close to each other. He had a story about it that goes something like this:

      It was actually accidental. When the new store opened (across the street from the old store), the old store's sales increased 20%, and the new store nearly matched it. So we did some reasearch and found that if we can put locations within 2-3 miles of eachother, the revenue of both stores will be higher.

      The story was on maybe a year or more ago, so obviously I'm strongly paraphrasing.

      At any rate, remember: being able to spit on one starbucks from another starbucks isn't really their idea. They just went with observed phenomina.

  9. Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What motivates him?

    Caffeine, obviously.

  10. I'm personally more interested in ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Interesting
  11. Loser? ... by auburnate · · Score: 5, Insightful
    mod this down if you must, but let me be the one to say what a friggin' complete waste of time. He says he wants to be unique ... freak guy ... hop on one leg, pull out your hair with left hand and slap yourself across the face with right hand and repeat the mantra "no one has done this before, i am unique" ad nausem ...

    Oh wait ... a handful of /.ers are now doing this!!!

  12. Mr. Caffeine by general_re · · Score: 4, Funny
    His website...has pictures of the 4000+ Starbucks he's visited.

    Presumably his camera has some serious jitter correction built in...

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  13. Fortune article, pseudo last names by ebh · · Score: 3, Interesting
    He's getting more press these days. There's an article in Fortune about him.

    Also, the name he goes by is simply "Winter". The only reason he has the "John Smith" in his name is because too many things (like the DMV) break when presented with a single name.

    He is also a fairly good tournament Scrabble player. Because the National Scrabble Association's database can't handle single names either, he's registered as "Winter ZXQKJ".

  14. Not to be different -- to be famous by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a sad indictment of society that people have some desperate need to be different and decide that the best way to satisfy that urge is to do something completely pointless like purchase products at every store of a multinational conglomerate. How exactly is becoming a complete and utter corporate slave a demonstration of how unique you are? I'd be much more impressed if this guy was attempting to visit every NON-Starbucks coffee shop. But that wouldn't garner him headlines, would it?

    Let's face it: this guy doesn't want to be different, he wants to be famous, in his own pathetic way. You want to be different? How about volunteering for your local chapter of the non-profit organization of your choice? Not too many people do that. If that's not different enough for you, how about starting your own non-profit organization? Even fewer people do that. Hell, as long as you have this need to show everyone how different you are, might as well make it something that can benefit someone other than Starbuck's shareholders. Of course, none of these causes would get him a mention on slashdot, or the evening news, or anything else.

    Call me a party-poorer but when I see stories about people following such pathetic attempts at gaining recognition, it makes me want to retch.

    GMD

    1. Re:Not to be different -- to be famous by argmanah · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Let's face it: this guy doesn't want to be different, he wants to be famous, in his own pathetic way. You want to be different? How about volunteering for your local chapter of the non-profit organization of your choice? Not too many people do that. If that's not different enough for you, how about starting your own non-profit organization? Even fewer people do that. Hell, as long as you have this need to show everyone how different you are, might as well make it something that can benefit someone other than Starbuck's shareholders. Of course, none of these causes would get him a mention on slashdot, or the evening news, or anything else.


      Why is it that every time someone gets recognition for doing something that's not particularly useful, someone like you has to come along and insult his hobby and talk down to him about doing something more productive with his time.

      Do you ever watch TV? Maybe you spend that time volunteering. Do you ever read Slashdot? Maybe you should spend that time volunteering. It's a ridiculous double standard you are setting when you and everyone else does pointless things to entertain themselves in their spare time, but when he chooses an activity that garners him some attention he is immediately admonished for not spending that time being productive instead.

      Don't be a hater.

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  15. Re:Haha. Starbucks. by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here in Portland, we firebomb new Starbucks facilities. Fuck you and your corporate coffee. Quit Walmarting the good old coffee shops out of existence. They've just opened another one across the street from the tiny espresso shack I love to frequent in the mornings. If she ends up going under because of it, I think I might get in the mood for a little firebombing myself...

    If that coffee shop goes under, it's not the fault of Starbucks, but the cheap customers. We have plenty of indy coffee shops in NYC that survive because there's enough people willing to put their money where their mouths are. If the shop goes under, then go rant to the PATRONS who decided the fate of the small shop; SB and WM only gives them the choice, they don't make it.

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  16. Re:let me be the first to say.... by internic · · Score: 5, Funny
    What's the point?!?!?!

    Is this a test sir?

    Anything you order is free sir. Don't worry, it's clean sir.

    Your sure this isn't a test, sir? You were in here last Tuesday, standing right where you are now. You asked, "how good is security?" It's excellent sir, tight as a drum.

    You said if anyone came asking, we'd have to mod him down, even you. This is a powerful gesture, sir.

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  17. Re:Haha. Starbucks. by strictnein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're right! Firebombing companies we disagree with is the wave of the future! Screw laws!

    F'en idiots couldn't even firebomb the place right. THEY DIDN"T EVEN START THE PLACE ON FIRE. YOU BREAK THE WINDOWS FIRST, THEN THROUGH THE FIREBOMB IN.

    I'm definitely not a Starbucks fan (I prefer Caribou (the #2 chain)), but maybe some people like to get coffee at a place where they're not treated like they're interupting the employees by wanting to order. Or, they can get service even though they happen to be in a good mood and aren't wearing a completely black outfit to show that they're deep, dark people. IT'S FUCKING COFFEE PEOPLE! COFFEE! THEY SELL COFFEE!!

    Fuckin nitwit.

    Best quote from your article:

    "if neighbors don't want the Starbucks, they should stay away from the store"

  18. What motivates him? by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can understand this.

    I, myself, have a desire to visit every McDonalds on the face fo the planet.

    But first I have to buy a bulldozer, and a cargo plane to carry it between continents...

  19. Oblig. by fizban · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Starbucks of Topeka, Kansas? Starbucks #2046 of Topeka, Kansas?

    "Err... Yes"

    "You're a jerk, Starbucks. A real kneebiter."

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  20. Impressive, important and cool project! by redwoodtree · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I spent a while surfing his site which suprisingly wasn't /.'d into oblivion. After about 5 minutes I was convinced the guy is brilliant.

    This is an amazing and important piece of work. The sheer volume of pictures, the sheer enormity of this effort is so impressive that I think this has to go down as one of those pieces of art/documentary/social commentary/lark that if it's preserved, people will look back on in 50 or 100 years (maybe less , maybe more) and just find terribly facinating.

    First of all, just the pictures of all the architecture of locations in all 50 states alone is amazing. It's absolutely insane once you realize how much revenue and commerce Starbucks generates (all politics and love and hate of the company aside, it's just amazing when you see them all in one web site). Thes buildings had to be constructure, outfitted, opened, etc. The record of all these buildings, all these locations is like a mini snapshot of the whole U.S. from coast to coast and then world wide as well. It's an amazing piece of compare and contrast, and an amazing document.

    Coming at it from the other side, I think the guy is a great artist also. This definitely qualifies as art in my mind, bordering on journalism, bordering on madness which is where a lot of great art comes from. Think of how many stories each state/city/area of a city/district tell about this experience, picture him going from store to store documenting this, etc. It's an endless story, he could write a book about it. Others have mentioned on here how comedians like Lewis Black have also seized on the sheer crazyness of the Starbucks phenomenon. Artists bring these issues into focus for people and the number of people critizing him here make me feel even stronger about the fact that he's doing something cool.

    Winter is alright in my book. I don't think he's ruining the environment by travelling , I don't think he's a nut and don't think it's a waste of time. It's actually quite an important piece of work. Congratulations man.

  21. Re:10 stores a week by EvanED · · Score: 4, Funny
    since Starbucks opens an average of 10 stores per week it doesn't look like Winter will be stopping any time soon.

    This reminds me of Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged:

    This was the point at which he conceived his purpose, the thing that would drive him on, and which, as far as he could see, would drive him on forever. It was this.
    He would insult the universe.
    That is, he would insulct everybody in it. Individually, personally, one by one, and (this was the thing he really decidid to grit his teeth over) in alphabetical order.
    When people protested to him, as they sometimes had, thta the plan was not merely misguided but actually impossible because of the number of people being born and dying all the time, he would merely fix them with a steely look and say, 'A man can dream, can't he?'"


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  22. Similar to certain English people... by FromWithin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He sounds like he'd get on very well with Dave Gorman, who, after a drunken bet, made it his goal to find 52 other people named Dave Gorman, and also got a bit obsessed with Googlewhacking.

    Also Danny Wallace who after having bet Dave Gorman to find 52 Dave Gorman's got it into his head that he needed 1000 people to join him , without actually knowing what they were joining (there are now over 8000 joinees).

    And then of course there is the inimitable Tony Hawks (not Tony Hawk) who needed to win a bet that he could hitch-hike around the entire coast of Ireland with a refridgerator.

    All of their books are highly recommended (especially Join Me, which is the funniest book I've ever read.