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DIY Cruise Missile Designer Turns Freelance

js7a writes "Bruce Simpson of New Zealand, the designer of a homebrew cruise missile as reported here, has been left destitute by hastily-imposed restrictions of his national authorities, and is now offering his services to any non-terrorist willing to provide room, board, travel, expenses, and a negotiated rate. There is no question that cruise missile, UAV, bio-warfare, chemical weapons technology, and probably nuclear technologies will all continue to fall in cost significantly for the foreseeable future."

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  1. travel? by mabu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I won't charge you millions of dollars like the big-boys might. I won't question your politics or religious beliefs. I simply ask that you provide me with travel to your location plus safe, warm, comfortable accommodation for the duration of the project, and employ me at an agreed rate for my services.

    Somehow I suspect this guy might have some trouble travelling anywhere now....unless he can ride on his cruise missile.

    If this guy has trouble finding accommodations, maybe he can share rooms with all the agents that will be tailing him.

    1. Re:travel? by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm sure Vanunu was told the equivalent about the Israeli government.

      Seriously, when you're doing things that tick incredibly powerful governments off like crazy... you pretty much have to expect sting operations against you.

      I used to room with someone who used to work in army intelligence as a translator (she speaks fluent Russian and German, and bits of dozens of other languages; when the war in Afghanistan broke out, she lectured me on how to properly form plurals in Pashtu). The sort of devious things they used to do to get signal intercepts alone is enough to make one paranoid if they're doing something that will make a government mad at them.

      Then there's the specific examples. For example, the one and only anti-Dudayev missile made from a modified HARM. The assasination of Yahya Ayyash via an exploding cell-phone (they could have simply killed him outright, but that had a much more profound psychological effect). Etc. And these are just some cases that involve death.

      I'll reiterate. If you really tick off a government, you better expect a sting operation. If you don't, you're A) just plain dumb, and B) going to end up in jail or dead rather quickly.

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  2. Cost efficiency by amliebsch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rather than having CIA pay a bunch of intelligence officers to monitor this guy, maybe the DoD should just hire him first.

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  3. Where's the big boys? by goatstuffer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Surely this guy should be swimming in offers from the aerospace industry, or any related field. If he can hammer out a homegrown cruise missile, there must be some talent there.

    Perhaps he doesn't want to work in such an environment and wants to go solo. Fair enough.

    1. Re:Where's the big boys? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Interesting
      As somebody who is not an American citizen, he likely cannot get security clearance to work for the American miliatary aerospace industry...

      Well, first of all, you don't always need a security clearance to work in the military aerospace industry. Different services of the U.S. military have different security requirements for contractors. Since everything is done on a, "need to know basis", sometimes even people with clearance aren't working with anything considered, "secret". It's also quite common to have people with no security clearance working on projects with others that require security clearance. The people without clearance, simply don't work on and don't know about the secret aspects of the system.

      In fact, I remember a code review where the guy who wrote the code didn't have a security clearance, but the code reviewers did. Every time they had to discuss the secret aspects of the system, they would send him out of the room. That may seem weird, as he was the code's author, but it was his code's integration to the rest of the system they were discussing, not specific portions of his code.

      Secondly, I worked with one guy who had a secret clearance even though his parents were Vietnamese nationals. Under strict interprtation of the law at that time, I think it would have been considered illegal for him to have any sort of contact with his parents. In other words, even in situations where it seems unlikely that a person would get a security clearance, they are still able to get one if the person's expertise is necessary for the contract.

      and that's the only one that still exists, everyone else buys from the USA.

      In this case, depending on the requirements of the contract with the foreign government, he might not need clearance.

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  4. Re:Buh Bye by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In other news, a New Zealand man, possibly Bruce Simpson, was found dead by neighbours this afternoon.

    There was this canadian in the 80's who had this obsession with building a giant cannon to cheaply launch satellites in orbit. It would obviously not do for humans because the initial acceleration would kill them, but for hardware, all you have to do is make sure everything is screwed tight. The economy on launch would be much greater than the extra cost in solidity. The added bonus is that you wouldn't have to launch from the tropics, it could work from as high up as canada, eh.

    Well, he had the design, and some funding from the canadian military, he was building it. Then, the united states objected, and told its submissive neighbour to the north to stop it with the revolutionary launch technology: if canada wants to put stuff in orbit, all it has to do is ask and the states will let them hitch a ride from florida.

    So the canadian military cut the guy's funding. He then fought like a madman trying to gain back the funds he needed to make his dream come true, but try as he may, nothing was enough. Until a certain wealthy dictator from the middle east agreed to fund his research. So our canadian swallowed his pride (and his ethic, he wanted to launch satellites, not make weapons) and headed off to Iraq to build his giant cannon. And build it he did.
    he made a couple prototype, one of which was conspicuously pointed in the general direction of Israel. It wasn't working properly yet, when you make this go BOOM with this much force, it tends to take a bit of trial and error before nothing breaks when you do, but it was progressing.

    Long story short, the guy was found dead in front of his hotel room, the keys in the lock, the very clean gun next to the body, with a single bullet in the back of the head.

    The moral of the story: When the united state's military says you are not to build a giant cannon, you do not build a giant canon, be it by lack of funds or surplus of lead.

    The end.

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  5. Re:Sounds like he has lots of options to me by traskjd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in NZ and the short answer is No.

    We don't build anything like that - heck, it was a massive national debate because we brought 3 second hand frigates! The guy really does need more international exposure to get a job but I think if he didn't get the offers he wanted when it was on the news he ain't going to get them now.

  6. Consider the Russians by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, the Russians have been doing this for years. They undoubtedly have the best engineered and reliable systems in the world. The Americans now rely on Russian rockets. Their Buran (shuttle clone) landed withing 5 feet of its intended target...more accurate than anyone has ever achieved. They retired the MIR successfully with an accuracy of 0.5km when most western observers were worried that it would fall on them. They have the biggest and heaviest flying aircraft in the world. It will still dwarf the A-380. It once carried over 120 SUVs over Sudan to Entebbe when there was the great rally. I had the opportunity of seeing their ambitions on paper. The problem is funding. Best of all, they are darn cheap, dollar wise. Let hi team up with them.

  7. Re:Non terrorist users of criuse missiles? by Flamingcheeze · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isn't it possible for a country to NOT be an ally on the US and ALSO NOT be a terrorist country? Is that now the definition of a terrorist... "not an ally of the us?"

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  8. Re:Any Non-Terrorists....? by isorox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally if I could design and build cruise missles I wouldn't want it well known. I don't need to give Al Qaeda reason to kidnap me my strap electrodes to my balls and lock me in an underground machine shop in the middle of the Tora Bora.

    You seem to be confusing "Al Qaeda" with "U.S. Army", do an s/Tora Bora/Abu-Ghurayb/.

  9. Sympathy = Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't see how this is any different than prosecuting the author of a computer virus that finds its way into the public domain.

    Just because you can build something doesn't mean you should. Unleashing something with the potential to destroy people and property carries the inherent moral obligation to have the resources and a commitment to control its end-use and distribution. You may not like the way NZ shut him down - but how can anyone argue with the necessity of it?

    This guy's bitterness and bravado tells you everything you need to know about his personality. I hope the Israeli's, Yanks or Aussies take him out sometime real soon.

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  11. Re:Old News, Old Technology... by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cruise missile technology is hardly new

    Old != Useless as you seem to imply. Bruce's original stated goal was to alert the global community of the threat of cheaply built jet-powered missiles capable of traveling 400-500 M.P.H. Such a device would be very challenging to guard against. And let's not forget the incidents where Mathiast Rust landed a Cessna 172 in Moscow's Red Square or the other guy that landed the Cessna on the Whitehouse lawn.

    Personally, I don't like Bruce. He's an asshole with a lot of gaul and he scammed me out of $45 U.S., but he's got a valid point.

    BTM

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    That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
  12. Uses of cruise missiles? by menscher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe I'm just not creative enough, but what would a non-terrorist organization want with a cruise missile?

    1. Re:Uses of cruise missiles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Um, well, why would anyone want one?

  13. Re:Buh Bye by Saeger · · Score: 4, Interesting
    And in related news, a statistically "interesting" number of top scientists are ending up dead or missing in recent years.

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  14. Re: I love the technology curve! by Fortran+IV · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, mustard gas was a nasty thing--a very nasty thing--to use in war.

    But did you know that msutard gas was also the very first chemical used as a successful chemotherapy treatment for cancer?

    Yes, I'd guess that the first use for an LCCM (and second, and third) might be terrorism. But you never can predict what horror of today will find a beneficial use tomorrow. Not every tech advance comes from NASA.

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  15. Only stupid people would want to do it by radtea · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a novel by Donald Kingsbury, The Moon Goddess and the Son (IIRC) from the mid 80's that describes the construction of a DIY cruise missile. It was plausible then (albiet by renegade MIT students) and even moreso now.

    The only curious thing is that no one has yet done it. The only reasonable conclusion is that everyone who can do it, except for this clown in New Zealand, has the good sense not to want to.

    --Tom

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    Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
  16. Re:Non terrorist users of criuse missiles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the weapons sales arena you buy from friendly US merchants of death or you are part of the axis of evil.

    There are some disturbing exceptions. Israel buys weapons from the US and has sold them to straight up terrorists, nations itching to use the same weapons against it, but it appears to have done that at the US's request like during Iran-Contra.

    Pakistan is supposedly part of the US coalition but has made huge sales of nuclear tech that were recently discovered.

    If I were a terrorist I wouldn't want the US tech, it so such expensive and high maintenance "policing" equipment. The former USSR made all the free designs for AK-47s and RPGs and those have so much more bang for the buck it makes me wonder how the US ever hopes to win a war on terrorism when their military costs are so many orders of magnitude higher.

  17. Re:no career choices? by John+Courtland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think that lack of skilled tradesmen is because you guys have such damn high immigration standards. Not knocking NZ or anything, but, couldn't you guys lax up a bit? It's like all you want there are movie stars and oil barons.

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  18. Re:Buh Bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Except that Bull was working for Saddam before the first gulf war... If you recall, the Regan administration's appraisal of Saddam was somewhat different than the current one.

  19. Donations by Codebender · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been following Bruce's story for a while, and I just wish I could afford to have him build me something. I don't have an (big, evil) S.U.V., but I'd love to have a missile on my car. Perhaps a jet-powered motorcycle...

    Anyway, if you're like me and you can drop a few dollars without ever missing it, here's the donations page:

    http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/donations.shtml

  20. A word from Bruce Simpson by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm Bruce Simpson, the subject of this discussion and I'd like to address some of the comments and points that have been raised here.

    Question: If I'm so damned clever, why don't I have a job?
    Answer:
    Well, I'm 50 years old, which (even here in NZ) is past the age when it becomes difficult to just walk into a any job because, regardless of your qualifications there's always someone younger who's standing in line ahead of you.

    What's more, although I have a lot of experience in a wide number of a synergistic (from a missile building persective) nature, there are plenty of people around who know more and are better at these individual fields than I am.

    If an employer is looking for a good programmer, a good electronics design engineer, a good airframe designer, or a good engineer, there are plenty better than me.

    My strength is that I have sufficient depth of knowledge and skill in each area to bring a very broad perspective to bear on the particular problems associated with the job of designing and building a cheap cruise missile (or UAV). In effect, I can do the job of four or five people with more efficiency and insight than such a team might.

    When I have an idea, I can bring all my different areas of competence to bear on it and produce a result in a fraction the time it takes for a team of several individuals to do the same.

    The problem is, there are no companies in NZ looking for this synergy of skills.

    Unfortunately, this country has little or no interest in things military -- hell, the first thing the current government did when it gained power was to pretty much gut our air force by disbanding its air-defense capabilies.

    This saw all our best avionics engineers, Air Force pilots and maintenance people disappear to greener pastures.

    In fact, our Air Force is so run down that even its transport aircraft now break down with regular monotony. Any government that believes that an air capability is an unimportant part of defense is crazy.

    As a result of this "head in the sand" attitide, Australia and the USA are both pretty pissed off with New Zealand because it can no longer pull its full weight in ANZUS, the alliance between the three parties.

    But back to jobs. The town I live in is a small rural center which is largely supported by a timber mill. In recent times there have been a number of lay-offs at that mill and unemployment levels are quite high here. The reality is that not only are their *no* jobs for hi-tech workers but I couldn't even get a job flipping burgers at McDonalds due to the queue of applicants ahead of me.

    Question: why not move to a bigger city?
    Answer:
    Well that's pretty hard to do when you're living hand-to-mouth without any money to spare. Moving is an *expensive* operation and rents in the big cities are typically three or four times that of the smaller centers. It simply wouldn't be possible for me to move without having several thousand dollars in my pocket to cover the move, rent and other costs until that first pay check came in (assuming that I could even then find a job).

    I could support myself however, if I were allowed to remain self-employed -- but that's not possible due to the restrictions placed on my activities by the government.

    Question: won't I be killed by Mossad/CIA/whatever?
    Answer:
    I doubt it -- but if I am, at least my wife gets to claim on my life-insurance policy :-)

    In the past few weeks, everything that could go wrong has gone wrong so there have been times when I have to admit that I simply wouldn't care if I became the target of some hitman -- yeah, it's really been that bad!

    But seriously, I don't think anyone will try to rub me out (even though a couple of alleged Mossad members were arrested here in NZ for trying to fraudulently obtain an NZ passport).

    Question: why don't I get a job with a big aerospace company?
    Answer:

    1. Re:A word from Bruce Simpson by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You say you are all that patriotic but you are bankrupt because you did not pay your taxes!

      That is actually wrong.

      I paid every cent of the tax I owed (in fact I over-paid). I was bankrupted over a huge sum of penalties and interest that (under NZ law, and as verified by an Ernst Young tax expert), should have been waived.

      However, I was repaying even these penalties (I paid a lump sum of $20,000 just weeks before the bankruptcy) and if (like most other taxpayer) I'd been alowed to continue with these repayments, the debt would have been cleared completely within 9-12 months.

      In effect, the government/tax-ma refusedto let me pay those interests and penalties -- why would they do that?

      DO you realize that your work is going to kill thousands of innocent people

      Where's your support for that argument?

      And you seem to have a very short memory (or didn't attend history classes at school).

      Just think back to August 6 and 9 of 1945.

      As I said, there is probably no country on the face of the planet which hasn't engaged in some form of terrorism (defined as the killing of innocent men, women and children in the name of a cause).

      As I've stated -- I'd much rather focus on civilian applications for RPV/UAV technologies and there are plenty of them. I'm hoping that if someone does want my services, this is what they'll be concentrating on.

    2. Re:A word from Bruce Simpson by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have you considered seeking employment with one of the companies that is trying to commercialize small-scale space-flight? It sounds like your skills as a generalist in a relatively similar field would be very useful to such companies seeing as how they are mostly all small start-ups, the dotcoms of space-flight before the market took off. Such companies need people who can wear many different hats as well as keep "the big picture" in their head so as to identify unexpected interactions and possible synergies across fields.

      There is probably lots of competition since the X-Prize has made them relatively famous recently, but you do have a little more street cred than most.

      PS - Don't waste your time responding the people freaking about your views on terrorism, some people just can't stand it that someone might question their own passionately held beliefs and feel that they must make you look at their own personal trees to make you ignore the forest.

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  21. oh, just brilliant by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Boss, we've found a guy who's able to build a cruise missile out of parts he found in his backyard. What'll we do?"

    "Tricky one. I say we throw him out of his house and force him into bankruptcy."

    "But won't that just leave him willing to take a job from anyone, even our enemies?"

    "BANKRUPTCY!"

    "But wouldn't it be better if *we* hired -"

    "BANKRUPTCY!"

    "But how do we know he won't get hired by, say, Iraq -"

    "BANKRUPTCY!"

    "Okay, okay, bankruptcy it is."

    "Glad you see it my way! You'll go far in this government."

    "There's also this story about a little girl and her kitten -"

    "BANKRUPTCY!"

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    With intelligence agencies like these, who needs enemies?

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  22. Re:Interesting yes, amazing, no by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the looks of it, he's building a modern V-1, an dteh tech used is not vastly different from that used in model aircraft. larger scale perhaps, but even taht is questionable when you look at some of the large scale a/c (sucha sthe B-52) modellers have built

    This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I embarked on the DIY Cruise Missile project.

    It's not rocket science and almost anyone could do it if the set their minds to it.

    Besides, why build a cruise missile, which requires you stayin in one place and buying a bunch of stuff taht may arouse the interest of teh authorities when you could steal a biz jet, deliver a larger payload, and do the planning in dispersed locations?

    Actually, my other point was that you could build one of these things *without* attrating a lot of attention or rousing the interest of the authorities. There's nothing involved in the construction of an LCCM that would ring alarm bells anywhere.

    And your chances of using a hijacked or hired business jet to deliver a payload would seem to be pretty limited if this story is any indicator.

    With a flight time of less than 10 minutes to its target and a small radar signature, an LCCM would have a much higher probability of success without the need for martyrdom.

  23. Not particularly. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > do you seriously not care that he was building a cannon for
    > saddam hussein

    Look up the name "Wernher Von Braun" sometime. Probably more than anyone else except JFK, he is responsible for man going to the moon, and much of the space program we take for granted. In fact, the US space program didn't really start to go south, until after we quit relying on Von Braun's rockets, and went with that air-force-addled clusterfuck that is the space shuttle.

    Now, for the final Jeopardy answer:

    Wernher Von Braun worked for him before moving to America.

    cya,
    john

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    1. Re:Not particularly. by kamapuaa · · Score: 2, Interesting
      bull built weapons for saddam hussein. how exactly do you rationalize that?

      Are you serious? Wernher Von Braun led the design of the V2 vengeance rockets for the Nazis.

      At the time, Iraq was the republican government with US backing, pushing back fundamentalist Iran. Iran had declared an anti-US bias, declared a desire to spread their theological revolution against US puppet states across the Mid-East, and been associated with groups that made attacks against the US military.

      In an ideal world, advanced weapon makers would be given a show trial, declared enemies of the people, and sent to work in rural Chinese re-education camps. But what he did isn't more terrible than what other weapon designers do.

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  24. Your options by cryptochrome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, taxmen are the same everywhere: if they want to fuck you over they will, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Al Capone was tossed in jail over taxes.

    Where could you go? Hmm... I'm hard pressed to think of any non-terrorist countries that are looking to build up their missle capability on the cheap and aren't under the USA's thumb. Nearly all the good candidates are. Pretty much all the former communist countries, but a big chunk of those got absorbed into the EU. They're being integrated economically, not militarily yet, so maybe they do have a market, but OTOH if you're part of the EU that means you weren't involved in any outstanding conflicts and you have very powerful and reliable allies. Turkey buys from the US. Egypt's still too close to the fire. Might be a South American country or two, but that's well within the US's sphere of influence and probably a combat zone. India might be interested, if you can muck your way through the beauracracy. And then there's Russia.

    The weak point in the LCCM is that it's guided by GPS, which can be compromised - if they see it coming, which is probably not how the relatively short-range LCCM would be used.

    Or you could just dump the whole cruise missle thing and focus on the pulsejet side, which would probably make your life a whole lot easier. I'd say you've proved your point, at least well enough to get a government or two trying to actively shut you down.

    I've wondered before - couldn't a pulsejet engine be used as a rocket motor? Say once you get above the point where it can breath air effectively, you start injecting oxygen and you get an unpulsed burn? I realize the shape would have to be heavily redesigned to incorporate an efficient rocket combustion chamber/pulse chamber/nozzle (a variable augmentor perhaps?) and a sturdier design would be necessary. But for sure you could make a hybrid engine that would be lighter and simpler than any other option, if not as powerful or efficient. I suppose in that case you'd want to talk to the experts on rocket engines, the Russians.

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