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DIY Cruise Missile Designer Turns Freelance

js7a writes "Bruce Simpson of New Zealand, the designer of a homebrew cruise missile as reported here, has been left destitute by hastily-imposed restrictions of his national authorities, and is now offering his services to any non-terrorist willing to provide room, board, travel, expenses, and a negotiated rate. There is no question that cruise missile, UAV, bio-warfare, chemical weapons technology, and probably nuclear technologies will all continue to fall in cost significantly for the foreseeable future."

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  1. Any Non-Terrorists....? by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So what? When he's goes to the Job interview do they show him their UN approved IANAT certificate?

    Personally if I could design and build cruise missles I wouldn't want it well known. I don't need to give Al Qaeda reason to kidnap me my strap electrodes to my balls and lock me in an underground machine shop in the middle of the Tora Bora.

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  2. He's probably just showboating by subaquatique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Royally screwed by the government, I think he's just trying to say "this is what I COULD do, think about it."

    I just happens that having already built a cruise missile does add some weight to his comments.

  3. Non terrorist users of criuse missiles? by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Governments that are political friends of the USA have access to officially made missles... and any government that's not one is also usually not allowed to possess such missiles thanks to international embargos...

    So, just who exactly is his target audience. Who, other than a terrorist organization or government able to order the official version would want a missile?

    1. Re:Non terrorist users of criuse missiles? by flamingnight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it possible for a country to NOT be an ally on the US and ALSO NOT be a terrorist country? Is that now the definition of a terrorist... "not an ally of the us?"

      Nope. Bush said it himself: "You are either with us or against us in the fight against terror."

    2. Re:Non terrorist users of criuse missiles? by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not every government (friend of foe) wants to spend $600,000 per missle for a Tomahawk. That price doesn't include the launch system for a Tomahawk. The other US built cruise missle is the Air Launched Cruise Missle (ALCM) that the Airforce launches off of B-52s and B-1Bs. That missle isn't used by any other country because they don't have a good bomber to use as a weapons platform. I'm not even sure if we even offer the ALCM for export. So far, the only other user of the Tomohawk is the British Royal Navy.

      The Russians have cruise missles (both sea and air launched) and I'm sure they are cheaper but their accuracy is an unknown quantity. The French also have their Air-Sol Moyenne Portee (ASMP) cruise missile.

      The point this guy makes is that he can make one that is reasonably accurate and MUCH cheaper.

      Hypothetically, it wouldn't be a bad idea for a nation like Taiwan, who has a limited defense budget but a much larger adversary right across the straight, to come up with a medium range and cheap cruise missle that they could produce in large numbers. If they had a couple thousand of these, Bejing might think a second or two longer before coming after them.

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  4. Sounds like he has lots of options to me by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Indeed, I'm now effectively prohibited from using any of my key skills to support myself

    Come on now, it sounds like this guy is a very capable engineer and he's saying this? Aren't there any firms in his country that can use someone smart enough to build these things?

    I guess he can't build missiles there which is a bummer, but surely his skills can be applied to many things such as aerospace engineer. If anything, I bet he'd have better chances in Australia, which isn't too far away.

    1. Re:Sounds like he has lots of options to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As another Kiwi, I agree that NZ is just too small for most careers, but to suggest he couldn't find a job?

      That's insane - you know as well as I do, there's a shortage of skilled workers for a load of different areas (not even considering a hop across the ditch to Australia).

      Maybe, he just isn't that qualified? I don't know about you, but when I saw the details of what he had done, I wasn't that impressed - it was nuts-and-bolts type stuff. Hobby rocketry on a slightly bigger scale than normal.

      I'm not saying it doesn't take determination, but it could just be that his qualifications don't extend beyond tinkering at home in the shed.

      In which case, it's perfectly understandable that, yet again, he's trying to get into the spotlight.

  5. no career choices? by mabu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me see if I can get this straight...

    This guy can homebrew cruise missiles, embedded electronic guidances systems, program firmware, craft things out of blocks of wood and other materials, work with fiberglass, understands chemistry, electronics, metal fabrication and various other skills, and he's claiming that unless he can build MISSILES he can't provide for his family?

  6. Re:Buh Bye by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The moral of the story: When the united state's military says you are not to build a giant cannon, you do not build a giant canon, be it by lack of funds or surplus of lead.
    (Emphacis mine) Are you sure that wasn't Mossad?
  7. Re:Where's the big boys? by hoppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did Werner Von Braun got his security clearance ? This guy made Saturn V, he was in Gemini and Apollo projects, no problem for a talented engineer who made who also made V1 and V2 for Hitler.

    IMHO Security clearance should not be the problem.

  8. Re:Cost efficiency by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...But he wouldn't really be building them if the NZ Government hired him, he'd be designing them, and maybe overseeing the construction of a few for the purpose of models or test subjects. Neighbors would only get shifty-eyed if you started mass-producing them. They don't see what goes on in your laboratories.

    Also, if they'd hired him, they could have prevented all the hubbub. Their neighbors wouldn't know anything about him if it hadn't been made into a big deal.

  9. Re:Where's the big boys? by Kirill+Lokshin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, he began working for the US after he built the V1 and V2, which the US couldn't match at the time. Since the US already has cruise missiles, I suspect the reception will be rather cooler.

  10. Old News, Old Technology... by norite · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Cruise missile technology is hardly new. Remember that the Nazis built their V1 Doodlebug (powered by the exact same pulse jet type engine) and the more powerful V2 ballistic missile over 60 years ago, complete with their own guidance systems - and they didn't have the luxury of GPS navigation back then... It's not exactly, erm, rocket science, is it? It's probably even easier today, with the aid of GPS.

    It is probably more technologically challenging to build a nuclear device than it is to build a basic cruise missile, so those countries that posses nuclear weapons - Israel, Pakistan, India could quite easily build cruise missiles...

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  11. Re:Just A Thought by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Insightful
    He doesn't have to job hunt in NZ alone.

    True. And also, for him to say the NZ gov is preventing him from getting a job in his area of experise in NZ is just crap. NZ does not have any rocket / missle manufacturers.

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  12. Re:Who buys 'em? by mOoZik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uhh, wtf are you talking about? He's not build the cruise missile to sell to anyone, but rather, to prove to ignorant governments that anyone with enough money and expertise could do the very same. He is presenting a threat which has not yet surfaced, so we should be thanking him, because we will really be screwed if some terrorist or anti-U.S. group unleases a few dozen cruise missiles with many pounds of high explosives or bio/chem payloads on major U.S. cities or sporting events or whatever. He's trying to make a point, while nearly 99% of folks think he's doing this to sell to terrorists or show them how it's made.

  13. Re:Where's the big boys? by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What I don't get is why this guy doesn't use his skills to do something a little safer and more worthwhile.
    Pulsejet research may not be the safest endeavor, but there's no particular reason to think that it's not generally worthwhile.
  14. Re:Uses of cruise missiles? by akb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Depends on what you mean by non-terrorist organization, do you count countries? Countries always want to have what the other big kids have, ala India, China, France, Russia, etc.

  15. How fast.. by segfault_0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact of the matter is more likely that most people wouldnt want such a loose cannon working for their respectable firm. If you were an aerospace firm would you want the guy who just pissed the government off working for you, ensuring that you lose contracts etc.? Not likely. Perhaps he should of thought twice before he did something that would obviously piss off the powers that be (aka biting the hand that fed him), regardless of how right or wrong it may be (in the utopian fantasia where it doesnt matter if everyone can build a cruise missle).

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  16. How about "he's an incompetent nutjob"? by Noose+For+A+Neck · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This guy is a computer hardware engineer. Anyone who thinks he could design and construct anything resembling a militarily-viable cruise missle by himself is either way out of their depth or just plain dumb.

    Seeing as he hasn't actually constructed anything, but rather just released vague plans on the internet, I think that rather bolsters my case that this guy is just another net.kook.

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  17. Re:How about you talk about things you actually kn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    FYI- 9/11 hijackers used 2 757s and 2 767s, there were no 747s involved. The size difference alone between a 747 and a 757/767 let alone fuel carrying capacity would have caused a much bigger disaster if 747s were used.

  18. Re:A word from Bruce Simpson by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, I didn't say that Israel was a terrorist nation, I simply said I wouldn't accept offers from that country.

    I don't like the way Israel (or Palestians) have conducted themselves in that part of the world and would therefore not like to be party to that type of eye-for-an-eye kind of stupidity.

  19. Re:Buh Bye by acebone · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Bruce Simpson of New Zealand, the designer of a homebrew cruise missile as reported here, has been left destitute by hastily-imposed restrictions of his national authorities, and is now offering his services to any non-terrorist willing to provide room, board, travel, expenses, and a negotiated rate

    Hooray - what a fawking hero. He builds weapons because he's just such a geeky nerd, and you know, it is really interesting from a tech POV !

    I hope he misfires one of his contraptions, and ends up swallowing it - what a @$##@% scumbag...

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  20. Re:Buh Bye by chimpo13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Starting with your first paragraph: do you seriously not care that he was building a cannon for saddam hussein, a man who has used chemical weapons against his own citizens, launched wars at the drop of a hat and sworn to eliminate several of his neighbors?

    The CIA has said that Saddam didn't gas the Kurds. It was done with blood agent chemicals (cyanide-based gas) that he didn't have. It was probably the Iranians.

    Swearing to eliminate your neighbors happens all the friggin' time. How often do people whine about Canucks and the French? Even on something as technical and intelligent as slashdot, people are always saying crap like that. That's certainly helping our reputation world-wide.

    Hell, the US is trying to overthrow the Venezuala government, and they're pretty much our neighbor. Cuba is 90 miles away from Florida and we aren't inviting them over for milk and cookies. And the US Army gave citizens, servicemen, and prisoners crap like malaria & syphilis, and sprayed them with mustard gas and biological weapons (thinking of San Francisco here) without telling them. So basically, your first sentence might as well be applied to the Good Ol' USA. The chemical agents American soldiers were exposed to in the first Gulf War were made in the USA.

    The real moral is, don't do weapons research. Although I think that'll be mighty hard to apply world-wide. Maybe if we all agree to just disagree the world will be a better place. And weasels will shoot out of my ass.

  21. Re:Buh Bye by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Insightful


    smoothbore made from two welded 16' naval guns

    I think you mean 16", as in the diameter.
    Great post.

  22. CIA? Mossad? by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    CIA? Mossad? Same thing.

  23. Re:Uses of cruise missiles? by pkhuong · · Score: 3, Insightful

    France? Like, the country with the 2nd or 3rd largest military? Or "that other nuclear power"? France IS a big guy. Disregard propaganda. Do remember the fact that they were one of (if not the first) the first modern democratic countries, and have truly helped others (USA) become democratic. Sometimes, when a friend says "no", he's still a friend, not a whiny old bastard.

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  24. the so-called "war on terror" is just an excuse to by jonwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    restrict advances in many fields including Cryptography, Aerospace, Computing, Energy (electricity generation etc), biotech, nanotech, robotics and others.

  25. Re:A word from Bruce Simpson by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Define terrorism so that israel does not fit the definition.

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  26. Re:A word from Bruce Simpson by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're 50 years old, then you're old enough that you should have known better than to pull a stunt like this in the first place

    Well excuse me for trying to bring a quite real threat to the public's attention.

    I initially attempted to do this with this article but, although I received some feedback, it clearly wasn't reaching a large audience.

    That article also produced a lot of people who claimed it couldn't be done and that I was full of hot air -- so the only way to prove my case and to properly inform the public of this threat was to go ahead and do what I said any terror group could do.

    You call it a "stunt", I call it proving my case.

    Read into this; now that you've pissed off the USA, which is providing a big chunk of your nation's security

    But why are they pissed off?

    Before I started the project I emailed the FBI and DARAP to tell them what I was planning and why. I also invited them to make any comments they might have and offered them full access to the results of my work.

    What did I get in return -- an automated reply from the FBI thanking me for my email and nothing at all from DARPA.

    Based on that response, it's pretty natural to think that those organizations in the US charged with the security of the nation didn't have a problem with my project. Surely they'd be smart enough to simply say "we'd really rather you didn't do this" -- but no such response was forthcoming.

    Then, when the project serves its goal of raising public awareness, they get all snotty -- is that my fault?

    Perhaps they're simply embarrassed now that it's clear they have no answer to such a threat -- which was the entire point of my argument. The only weapon against an LCCM is public awareness.

    I hate to say this, but it sounds as if you really did this to yourself

    Maybe I did -- but I'm not completely stupid and I have leared lessons from this:

    1. Do not take a patriotic stance and contact the Secret Service when information possibly from a sponsor of terror comes into your possession.

    2. Do not actively cooperate with the secret service and help them to obtain more information.

    3. If the government gives you clearance to sell technology with a military application to a nation deemed to be a sponsor of terror, do not question this -- simply go ahead with the transanction.

    4. Do not put the interests of your country (overseas investment, new jobs, export earnings, a valuable foothold in an explosive new industry) ahead of your own. Think only of your own bank balance in all transactions.

    5. Do not turn down offers of money from the government as they will not thank you or even consider that by not accepting that money you are in effect in credit to that amount.

    6. Do not trust the government to act ethically, moraly or even legally when they wish to achieve some end.

    7. Do not work your ass off and sell your house to pay a tax debt while being fooled into believing that regular and reliable servicing such a debt to the point where it is almost completely repaid will stop the taxman from bankrupting you for no apparent reason.

    Unfortunately I feel very sad that these are the lessons I have learned.

    Sure, I'm not without fault -- I should have filed my returns and paid all my tax right on time.

    But the overal lesson here is that it's pointless trying to remedy such a transgression -- if you ever find yourself behind in your taxes (and you've got a missile in your garage) simply sell all your assets, take a really good holiday then come back and file for bankruptcy.