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Video and Software Downloads Overtaking Music

Trigun writes "The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is reporting that movie and software downloads have outpaced music downloads. Music accounted for 48.6 percent of files shared online, compared with 62.5 percent in 2002, according to a report by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The article says that 1 in 4 internet users have downloaded at least one movie, and attributes the proliferation to access to broadband. Maybe we've just downloaded all the good music already?"

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  1. Global coverage by SIGALRM · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Across the OECD's 30 industrialized member countries, music accounted for 48.6 percent of files shared online, compared with 62.5 percent in 2002, according to excerpts of the report seen by The Associated Press.
    Interesting. I wonder if the fact that Hollywood tends to distribute movies in the US first--coupled with the storm of global entertainment coverage--contributes to this? If I lived in Germany, for example, awaiting the release of Spider-Man 2 I might want to see what all the hype was about and download the movie.
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    1. Re:Global coverage by Dark+Kenshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I think this is due to the fact that the recent quality of music being released isn't that high. This gives movies and programs more focus for people to spend time downloading.

      But that's just my opinion, so whatever ...

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    2. Re:Global coverage by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd attribute it more to the combination of more people getting broadband (they can now download huge files in a matter of hours), many legal threats (while the RIAA lawsuits may not have affected downloading, I'm sure many people don't share as much music anymore), and a bunch of legal MP3 download services popping up (if people are buying them legally, there's no point in sharing them on P2P networks).

      Remember, just because YOU don't like the music they put out nowadays doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds of millions of people who do.

    3. Re:Global coverage by superpulpsicle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man I so agree. The numbers aren't that obvious. You download a movie, it's 600 megs. It messed up at 300 megs. You recontinued to P2P session, does that count as 2 files now?

      It's goes on and on. I can't stand research like this anymore. They are just giving organizations like RIAA fuel to sue by miscalculating left and right.

    4. Re:Global coverage by Mad+Martigan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a good point, considering the article addresses the number of files downloaded. I wonder what things would look like if the numbers reflected the size of the files downloaded.

      Also, if they did scan specifically for movies, software, etc, I wonder how porn messes things up. I mean, seriously, how many movie movies have you downloaded compared to how many porno clips/movies?

      It's too bad there isn't a better discussion of the methodolgy in the article.

    5. Re:Global coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "I wonder how porn messes things up. I mean, seriously, how many movie movies have you downloaded compared to how many porno clips/movies?"

      THERE'S PORN ON THE INTERNET!!!!! When did this happen??!?! I am outraged, and humbly request that you forward the sites and servers distributing this filth so that I may see it for myself! Oh won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!!! ;-)

    6. Re:Global coverage by TastyWords · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would think there's also the ability to "cook the books" as well.

      Everyone likes to cite "Half of all marriages end in divorce." When it's actually, "There are half as many divorces as there are marriages this year."

      I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts some of the quotes are bent around a bit so they sound better in the press. Book publishers found a way to cook the books rather dramatically within the previous five years ago or so. They found out there were a few key channels used to guesstimate total sales so they started pushing as many shipments through those channels then had them picked back up on the other end and distributed correctly.

      All-in-all, I find most of the numbers to fall into the category of this joke:

      Two guys were riding a train together and one bet the other he could tell how many sheep were in the field. The settled on the wager and the first guy went, proudly stating his count. The second guy said, "that's incredible! How did you do it?" The first guy said, "I counted all of the legs, then divided by four."

  2. Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They probably calculated it by megabytes.

  3. its faster.. by cRueLio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    its faster and easier for me to DL a movie off of IRC than to haul my ass to the movie theatre, stand in line, and sit cramped in a shitty chair with no elbow room next to some annoying little kids. i just dl from irc, burn on a cdrw (vcd/svcd) pop it in the vcd player and watch it.

    1. Re:its faster.. by vxvxvxvx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, but when you go to a movie theater

      • The screen doesn't shake
      • The audio doesn't remind you of AM talk
      • You can actually see who is talking rather than "the white blob"
      • Your girlfriend doesn't leave 10 minutes in after calling you a loser

      All in all, I'd go to the theater.

    2. Re:its faster.. by jefe7777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i've downloaded my share of dvd rips, so problems 1,2 & 3 are non-existent in those cases. i won't watch cams for the reasons you outlined.

      still, the cinema is an enjoyable experience, imo.

      if it didn't cost nearly $10 a ticket and $4 for a box of candy, I'd probably go more often.

    3. Re:its faster.. by neonstz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I saw Spider-Man 2 with 6 friends yesterday. Ordeded the tickets online two days in advance on the internet (paid with VISA). I didn't have to stand in line, I just went straight to the counter to pick up the tickets 5 minutes before the movie started. Before the movie a few of us got something to eat, and after the movie we went out to have a couple of beers/coke. Watching a movie at the cinema isn't just the movie, it's also about getting out and doing stuff with friends.

    4. Re:its faster.. by Mazem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's especially true on college networks. Wide selection of good movies + ridiculously fast download speeds + no car = pirates.

  4. What do they call movies by Mik3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure if you include Quicktime trailers, and short films. But I seriously doubt 1 in 4 have downloaded a feature film... cause guess what, no where near 1 in 4 users has broadband

  5. RIAA spin by carlos_benj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great. I'm sure RIAA will see this as vindication of their sue the customer policies. "See, they've moved on to other media since we started..."

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  6. Surprise, surprise... by stienman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the RIAA is doing is having a chilling effect on online music trading, like it or not. I don't think the MPAA will have any recourse but to pursue the same tactics, but with much larger penalties.

    It would be nice to see the full stats, though, to see if music has plateaued (as would be expected) while movies climb as broadband proliferates.
    br. -Adam

  7. Re:Same old story by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Insightful

    infringing on our rights as citizens

    Downloading stuff is not a right. It's a privilege.

  8. oh the humanity! by kgarcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *sigh* So, one in four internet users worldwide have downloaded movies online.

    oh wait, no it was only in Eight Countires...

    oh, and only broadband users were polled.

    ooh! and I almost forgot, of those that answered, one in four said they had downloaded at least one (YES, ONE) movie...

    nothing to see here... just FUD and paranoia...

  9. SOFTWARE downloads? by grm_wnr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Video and software downloads? Looks we're back to the roots here.

    From the article:

    experts say the vast majority of file swaps are still unauthorized.


    Well, isn't that a defining feature of file swaps? Swapping copyrighted files (as opposed to just downloading them, which can be legal or illegal) has always been illegal.
  10. This is jacked in so many ways by Unnngh! · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Seriously, this is the most poorly written article I have ever read. Check out these gems:

    Video accounted for 27 percent, up from 25.2 percent, the study will say.

    So, movie downloads didn't really increase much.

    The OECD report does not give separate numbers for pirated downloads and those that do not infringe copyright

    I'm not even going to start on this one.

    The biggest growth in downloading last year was in "other files" - neither music nor film - which almost doubled their share to about a quarter of all downloads. The category includes software and pornography, but the report gives no breakdown between the two.

    Basically, they're saying they have a lot of data and it seems to indicate something, but they can't really say what, so they just threw out some numbers. Nice work, OECD.

  11. I really wonder about acuracy by Omega1045 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With all of the various companies/qualities/methods to connect, I really wonder about the quality of such a survey. I would seem to me that these numbers seem rediculous. When I think of all the non-nerd (non-broadband) people I know, I don't think one of them has ever downloaded a movie.

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  12. Decline of Morals by feilkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personally, I think it all can be attributed to a visible decline in society's moral standards. When music first became availible online, most people did not hesitate to download it because for the most part, it is guilt and worry free. Until there is some sort of legal safeguard put in place that will cause people to think about voliating copyrights, the numbers of people downloading will continue to rise. In real life, people will think twice before stealing from a store because there is a known punishment for being caught (and even this is happening more). Fileswapping doesn't have such rigid rules and regulations, or at least it's hard to enforce them online. Not to mention that industries trying to enforce them currently are going about the wrong way in the first place. Think about it though, my sister who is middle school is downloading movies. I think that it shows either lack of education about what can/cannot be done online legally, or simply not caring about those laws either way.

    1. Re:Decline of Morals by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And since when does legality == morality?

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  13. The Seattle Post *isn't* reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    The Associated Press is reporting. The Seattle Post is just regurgitating the wire service.

    So many papers are 90% commercial press corps content that Slash and similar may as well differentiate and learn to link to Associated Press directly for these stories.

    Reward the papers with more visitors when they have local unique content. More ad impressions might encourage them to start putting their focus on real reporting again.

  14. Re:Its the RIAAs secret plan by offpath3 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    On a serious note- do they separate legal from illegal downloads? Lots of movies/software is legal to download.

    Seriously. Because if they're measuring bytes transfered, I've downloaded much more legal software (Linux ISOs) from bittorrent than I've downloaded music from anywhere in quite a long time.

  15. Re:Same old story by Trespass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    infringing on our rights as citizens

    Downloading stuff is not a right. It's a privilege.


    It's neither. It's a mechanism. The map is not the territory.

  16. Interesting... by mace_15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So I guess there must be a correlation between amount of downloads and the record takings at the box office recently? Quick, let's make Hollywood some more money!

  17. From the article: by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The OECD report does not give separate numbers for pirated downloads and those that do not infringe copyright. Despite a growing number of paid-for services like Apple's music site iTunes, however, experts say the vast majority of file swaps are still unauthorized.

    The biggest growth in downloading last year was in "other files" - neither music nor film - which almost doubled their share to about a quarter of all downloads. The category includes software and pornography, but the report gives no breakdown between the two.
    So, no breakdown of how much is actually illegal, just "experts say." I wonder how much of "other files" is accounted for by bloated Microsoft critical updates, service releases and patches? How much is tasteful internet erotica? How about digital video of my daughter's college graduation sent to relatives?
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  18. Solution for Music Cost by PingPongBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's just a matter of time that DVD capacities will reach the stratosphere, far more space than required by a movie. Therefore why not be able to buy a massive assortment of music all written on the same disk when you go to buy a movie? The store would have a computer where you select a movie or two as well as humungous music collection. You simply select what you want and a disk is created while you wait or for later pick up.

    You save all the time you need to wait for downloading. You are assured of the quality. What more can you ask for?

    When you consider all the box office records being smashed there's always going to be people buying movies. When they can also just pick up a few songs for a song, no one can lose.

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  19. Blame broadband? by bigberk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Broadband definitely makes it easier to download large amounts of data... but when I recall my own history, I was downloading a heluvalot more music in the days when 56 kbps modems first appeared. Back then it was an exploration of all the good music that's out there and that I had never heard before. Suddenly it all became available, waiting only 15 minutes or so for a download. For years I have felt that I have all the 'classics' in my private MP3 collection, and I don't often seek new music. When it comes to mainstream pop I certainly have 'heard it all before' and crave nothing.

    So if "the industry" doesn't produce any new music that is worth craving, people don't download or buy it.

  20. Re:In-theater cameras by Maul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And many of these people likely still paid to see the movie in the theater at least once.

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  21. Bogus methodology (was Re:Global coverage) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I read a bit of this study and the one-in-four number is really misleading.

    First, they only picked internet users who had broadband (that's less than 50% of US users right now) and second, they only interviewed those who professed to be avid movie viewers.

    They did manage to get a good age distribution, 25% in each of four age brackets. I'm suprised they didn't just limit this to males, aged 18-24.

    Well, I don't know about you, but if I had broadband and really liked movies, well sure I might download some. The remaining 75% of us probably downloaded considerably fewer movies.