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crmartin writes "NASA has released a web story about the sounds recorded aboard the Cassini spacecraft as it pased through the Rings. The story includes a Quicktime file of the hailstorm-like sounds of Ring particles impacting."

133 comments

  1. Powerful Hull? by mfh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >No damage was done, but it sounded exciting.

    You have to give them credit. These bits of dust were going 45,000 mph! You'd think they would have decimated that antenna, but I guess not? I would have to disagree, however. To the average non-PHD, this dust sounds like nothing more than some static mixed with klinking noises. To me it sounds like SPACE DUST!

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    1. Re:Powerful Hull? by emorphien · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed, I really wouldn't have expected it to be able to fly through the rings, particularly dish forward if the video is accurate. I would think that even the small particles would erode away at it more than would be acceptable.

      Obviously that's one tough schoolbus sized planet orbiting pretty picture taking probe.

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    2. Re:Powerful Hull? by dorlthed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, there's a reason these things cost millions and millions of dollars. ;)

      Another example: I remember reading once about the modems they use on these things. Now a modem itself costs very, very little, but it costs them well over $10,000 to test hundreds and hundreds of modems, then make sure that they can function properly amidst the radiation, cold, etc. of space. And of course this is pennies next to the costs related to the rest of the spacecraft.

    3. Re:Powerful Hull? by another_henry · · Score: 3, Informative

      It didn't fly -through- the rings, rather through the gaps between them (which still have some crap in, but not really a huge amount of it). Also I think that it doesn't necessarily matter too much if the dish gets a few tiny holes - it should still behave the same, electrically.

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    4. Re:Powerful Hull? by sharkey · · Score: 1, Funny

      Space dust? Really? Here is what I heard.

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    5. Re:Powerful Hull? by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would have to disagree, however. To the average non-PHD, this dust sounds like nothing more than some static mixed with clinking noises. To me it sounds like SPACE DUST!

      Yeah, ok, that explains the static and the clinking noises, but what was that *THUMP*THWACK* sound at the end?

      Somebody told me it was Cassini running into a big black monolith full of stars thing.

      What's that all about?

    6. Re:Powerful Hull? by pVoid · · Score: 0
      What I don't really get is why they have friggin microphones on space traveling vehicles?

      I can understand that it's a cheap thing to just throw in there, but really what's the point? Is it for data monitoring of 'hull integrity' for example (detecting collisions and vibrations?).

    7. Re:Powerful Hull? by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course the modem's expensive!!! But just imagine how expensive the phone cord is...

      Billions and billions of meters!

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    8. Re:Powerful Hull? by emorphien · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True, it won't affect the performance of the antenna, but with enough interstellar bugs hitting the proverbial windshield, it could wear out chunks of the structure and cause it to collapse. Now that I think about it, it's not very likely, but still there's the risk of a larger object whacking it.

      Pretty cool either way, I like schoolbuses.

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    9. Re:Powerful Hull? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Interesting
      As they said, most of these impacts are dust particles the size of cigarette smoke.
      % units 'milligram-(45000mph)^2' grams-tnt
      * 0.087744895
      / 11.396674
      In other words, for 1 milligras dust particles, each impact would have about the kinetic force of a large cap gun cap (or a very small firecracker).

      On the other hand, a 1-ounce pebble would have the kinetic force of about 5 pounds of TNT compressed into an impact point less than 1cm across..... Think hole straight tru the orbiter with lots of dead instruments.

      I'm guessing that the probe designers calculated the probability of a large-particle impact, and then just made the antenna as sturdy as they could afford to.

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    10. Re:Powerful Hull? by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

      It was a calculated risk. They took it through the most debris-free part of the ring gap and hoped for the best.

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    11. Re:Powerful Hull? by Ariane+6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTFA. It wasn't a microphone, but rather one of the probe's charged particle detectors that picked up the plasma from the vaporizing dust as it impacted.

      They converted its signal to audio.

    12. Re:Powerful Hull? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our new tough schoolbus sized planet orbiting pretty picture taking probe overloards.

      Sorry someone had to do it

    13. Re:Powerful Hull? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoever moderated this as overated doesn't understand the slashdot moderation guidelines, or is in sore need of a lay.

  2. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In space, nobody can hear you scream!

    1. Re:But by axonal · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough though, how was the satellite able to pick up the sound of the rings if in theory you are unable to hear things within a vacuum?

    2. Re:But by Cecil · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sound is a manifestation of vibration, or more specificially shockwaves through an aurally conductive medium. It is impossible, therefore, that sound would transmit through a vacuum, since there is no such medium in a vacuum. This is not a theory, by the way.

      As it said in the article, the sound was generated by using data from an instrument onboard that measured the impacts of the particles. It's an artificial sound, created by NASA engineers to simulate what you might hear if you were inside the probe (and it were filled with air).

      And yes, before you ask, if you were inside a spacecraft and it was filled with air, and you were struck by something from the outside, you would hear it. If the hull of the ship vibrates, that vibration sends a soundwave through the air inside the ship. Works just like a drum.

  3. The Saturn weather question of the day... by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 0

    Were they golf ball sized or grapefruit sizes Saturn hail?

    IronChefMorimoto

    1. Re:The Saturn weather question of the day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly, are they metric golf balls and metric grapefruits or are they English golf balls and English grapefruits?
      Hmph, and they call themselves scienticians.

  4. Any other format? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Anyone got anything OTHER than QT?

    1. Re:Any other format? by gt25500 · · Score: 1

      Quicktime without all the annoying crap -

      http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/v ideo_players/quicktime_alternative.cfm

      There is also a Real Player one too :]

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  5. Take that pedants! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you feel now? Thought you were cool giving Lucas and his ilk a hard time eh? "There's no sound in space, it's a vacuum." Muhahahahahaha.

    1. Re:Take that pedants! by prof_peabody · · Score: 1

      When debris hits Cassini it will resonate within the spacecraft (especially if it's larger than the smoke sized particles), but alas, not one outside would hear it. I can't wait to hear the thud of the lander though...

  6. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    680 puffs per second.

    sounds like fun

    1. Re:hmm by pitdingo · · Score: 1

      as long as you inhale ;)

    2. Re:hmm by corngrower · · Score: 1

      That'd give you lung cancer pretty quick.

  7. Amazing! by DakotaSandstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know it's pretty obligatory to say, but: DAMN! Will these NASA folks ever cease to amaze us with new, amazing, profound things?
    I am so engaged by space exploration these days, it makes me really happy to be alive in the century I'm in. ...Kind of helps make up for all the bad stuff in the world.

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    1. Re:Amazing! by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2

      I so agree!

      Too bad I'm not about 30yrs older, to have experienced the "First man on the moon" too...
      Can't wait to read and see more from this mission!

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    2. Re:Amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too bad you're not thirty years younger then you could experience the first man on Mars, the heated probe mission into Europa, Pluto Express and the launch of Deep Space 2 which reaches Alpha Centauri in 2043 using an ion engine.

    3. Re:Amazing! by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      I just wish i could be around to see what we can do in a few hundred or a thousand years, what we know, and where we can go.

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    4. Re:Amazing! by Jagaast · · Score: 1

      Kind of helps make up for all the bad stuff in the world.

      That is precisely the reason why there is so much media attention to this, as well as to the Mars rovers, and the much-hyped plans for sending men to Mars again.

      For a cross-section of the populace it covers up a lot of the administration's fuck-ups and tries to focus attention away from them. (Obviously, there's a lot of people who couldn't give a rats ass about this one way or another.) But to people like you and me, it's a big deal. And interestingly enough it just so happens that you and me might be the people who are more likely to effect some kind of change, as we are the most in the balance about the issues around us, being (hopefully) better educated and thus more empowered than a lot of other people.

    5. Re:Amazing! by instarx · · Score: 1

      it was cool to watch the first man on the moon on TV, live. Plus hearing about Sputnik in the first grade. However, it definately wasn't worth the 30 years! |-)

  8. Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by xiando · · Score: 1, Funny

    I doubt it will make the number #1 hitlists. Pictures and video are nice, sure, and Nasa is doing amazing things. But "the sound of space"? I'd rather listen to ABBA.

    1. Re:Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Awwright! Another ABBA fan!

      Let's together you and me jam!

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      Seems so funny,
      It's a rich mans world!

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    2. Re:Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by f-matic · · Score: 4, Interesting
      For fans of experimental music, this kind of "field recording" isn't that far removed from other practitioners in the field who utilize recordings of atmospheric phenomena as the basis of audio pieces, sometimes processed, sometimes just left in the raw unfiltered recordings. As someone who counts himself a fan of the work of labels like Mego and Antiopic , this recording isn't too far from the kind of stuff I would gladly add to my over-burdened record collection.

      For some samples of people working with this kind of source material, check out these two artists:

      Joyce Hinterding -- Australian cross media artist working in part with ecordings of magnetic fields and weather satellites.

      Steven Mcgreevy -- VLF (Very Low Frequency) recordins of atmospheric phenomena -- very beautiful, with audio samples available from the site.

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    3. Re:Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      Jebus!

      How can you say all that and not mention Brian Eno?!?

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    4. Re:Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alvin Lucier, "Sferics"

    5. Re:Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey good post

      i was downloading the quicktime thinking about sampling. ...wonder what the copyright issues would be with this file?

      where you from? ive started to get into more experimental sounds along with glitch, i think sounds based on environment just show how much we desire to use technology to emphasize the extent of our organic nature.

    6. Re:Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incidentally, Antiopic is due to release an Alvin Lucier double-CD later this year.

  9. Sound in Space? by artlu · · Score: 1, Informative

    Excuse my ignorance, but I thought there was no sound in space?

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    1. Re:Sound in Space? by dsanfte · · Score: 5, Informative
      From the article:

      Each time a dust particle hit Cassini, the impact produced a puff of plasma--a tiny cloud of ionized gas. Cassini's Radio and Plasma Wave Science (RPWS) instrument was able to count these clouds; there were as many as 680 puffs per second. "We converted these into audible sounds that resemble hail hitting a tin roof," says Gurnett, the intrument's principal investigator.


      They were recording plasma, not actual sound.
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    2. Re:Sound in Space? by lonedfx · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Well... you might want to RTFA...

      Each time a dust particle hit Cassini, the impact produced a puff of plasma--a tiny cloud of ionized gas. Cassini's Radio and Plasma Wave Science (RPWS) instrument was able to count these clouds; there were as many as 680 puffs per second. "We converted these into audible sounds that resemble hail hitting a tin roof," says Gurnett, the intrument's principal investigator.

    3. Re:Sound in Space? by dorlthed · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Certainly not, but you can hear the sound of the particles hitting the craft as it resonates through the metal (or whatever) that makes up the craft.

      If you were trying to listen to it with an open-air microphone, though, well that obviously wouldn't make any sense.

    4. Re:Sound in Space? by k-zed · · Score: 1

      I would guess the microphone (-analogue) recorded the vibrations of the spacecraft body caused by the particles.

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    5. Re:Sound in Space? by fredistheking · · Score: 1

      Sound needs a physical medium to propagate. Since the sensors and the probe are all attached together physically, the vibrations can travel across the probe to the sensors. However, of course, if you were standing next to it you couldn't hear anything.

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    6. Re:Sound in Space? by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yes, but when those particles hit the orbiter, they impact causes sound waves inside the orbiter.

      Kind of like ligthly tapping on your desk with a pencil...you can't hear it from across the room, but you can if you put your ear to the desk.

      wbs.

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    7. Re:Sound in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Your going to hear something when little bits of it are slaming into you at 40,000+ mph.

      Basicly the stuff hits the spaceship, the sound travels thru the solid mass of the thing to the audio receivers.

      You couldn't hear 2 things smashing into each other, but you can hear when things smash into you.

    8. Re:Sound in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      well, i'm no epert on this--but there is no sound in space because vibrations cant travel through anything. its a void.

      if there were a mic embedded in the ship, i guess it could record the bibrations going through the metal?

      this is just my presumption of how it could record the sounds. anyone who knows for certain is welcome to correct me.

    9. Re:Sound in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      if you were standing next to it you couldn't hear anything.

      I imagine that listening for particles hitting the exterior of the probe would be the last thing on your mind as your lungs explode and your blood starts to boil and your eyes start popping out of your skull like in that Schwartzenager movie.

    10. Re:Sound in Space? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My first reaction was "They put a friggin microphone on a spacecraft (with my second being 'and it worked??!!").
      Then I read the article and found out that they were recording the em pulses resulting from the space dust being turned to plasma by the force of the impact.

      As for the high gain antenna being that tough --- yeah. they seem to have designed it that way... Remember that they turned the bus (er, spacecraft) to use the antenna as a shield as they went thru the gap.It makes sense to put an extra 1/4" of armor on the antenna, since it's the biggest target on the craft and it has a really low ratio of fragile parts to block of metal (the only fragile parts I can think of would be the radio pickup and the cables... These probably got extra armor.

      It's the same kind of design they put into APCs and tanks -- put the extra armor where you're most likely to get hit, then try and take any hits there. (if you're ever unfortunte enough to have to take out an APC, don't bother shooting at the front, where they have a couple extra inches of armor. Aim at the sides.)

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    11. Re:Sound in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just curious, do you know where the weak points are in HKs?

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    12. Re:Sound in Space? by brunokummel · · Score: 1

      well , the concept we learned in school is that sound is a mechanical vibration in some kind of matter (liquids, solids, gases and why not the 4th state of matter : plasma).
      from what i read in the news , the spacecraft has only captured the vibration generated by the plasma clouds when a particle hit the hull.
      the vibration captured was then sent to NASA and just then the researchers converted the eletrical vibe to "air-sounds". So we all can appreciate!

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    13. Re:Sound in Space? by djmurdoch · · Score: 4, Funny

      Excuse my ignorance, but I thought there was no sound in space?

      That's just because people always wear spacesuits that block the sound. This is an unmanned probe, so the sound can come through without a problem. You'd hear the same thing if you took off your helmet while you were out there.

      You see this all the time in movies: the cameras are usually outside the suits, so they can hear the whoosh of the spaceships and the zapping sounds of the lasers.

    14. Re:Sound in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      From the article:

      You must be new here.

    15. Re:Sound in Space? by My_Dirty_Facist_Ass · · Score: 0

      Hahahahaha....oh, you made my day. Thank you for that. (Truly hope you weren't being serious; then again, that would make it even funnier, so never mind!)

    16. Re:Sound in Space? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 1

      My first reaction was "They put a friggin microphone on a spacecraft (with my second being 'and it worked??!!"). Then I read the article and found out that they were recording the em pulses resulting from the space dust being turned to plasma by the force of the impact.

      I believe the Huygens lander has a microphone. When I first saw the title I thought that's what they had used.

      I doubt it would have heard anything anyway.

    17. Re:Sound in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hilarious, two posts saying exactly the same thing, posted exactly at the same time, one is +5 Informative, the other one is 0 Redundant, gotta love slashdot :-)

      lonedfx

    18. Re:Sound in Space? by EvolutionKills · · Score: 1

      My god, man! RTFA! Or just read some of the friggin' post history.

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  10. Old news by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been able to hear Saturn hailstorms for quite some time now...

    1. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off topic I know, but static is generally caused in the situtation described by bad contacts / oxidisation. It's not too hard to clean minijack contacts...

  11. My TV by $exyNerdie · · Score: 2, Funny


    Last month, some rain water seeped into the cable outlet box outside and for 2 days, all I could hear on my TV was the exact same sound as Saturn Hailstorm (except that the video didn't show the spacecraft travelling around saturn).

    I think aliens from Saturn were trying to use me to send a message.... *smack on the head* if only I had known then..

    1. Re:My TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were you, I'd get a platic bag and cover my cable box.

      It's amazing how dumb the 'supposedly smart' slasdot crowd can be.

    2. Re:My TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were you, I'd get a platic bag and cover my cable box

      Smartie!

    3. Re:My TV by ElderKorean · · Score: 1

      I think aliens from Saturn were trying to use me to send a message.... *smack on the head* if only I had known then..

      Thay are sending a message.

      Decoded it reads.

      'ALL OF YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US'

  12. Re:Cassini by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Oh dear. Looks like we'll have to recall Cassini back to Earth, remove the 'Cassini' nameplate, attatch a nameplate that has been mutually agreed by Microsoft and NASA, and then go on another 7 year voyage back. However, with luck, we could use 'delaying tactics' to prevent this recall from happening until after Huygens has been released. If Microsoft has any problems with Huygens, they are welcome to send their lawyers in a space-ship towards that frozen hydrocarbon soup of a moon.

  13. converted sounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes I am master of the obvious.
    These SOUNDS were not recorded as implied but rather
    tiny clouds of ionized gas were counted as they were caused by the impacting dust. then...
    "We converted these into audible sounds"

  14. On the bright side.. by murderlegendre · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...there is going to be one wicked-ass scratch & dent sale on astronomical probes, at Crazy Vaklav's on Saturn.

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    1. Re:On the bright side.. by Demolition · · Score: 1

      Actually, you'll get a better deal at Crazy Watto's Deals On Wheels (And Repulsors).

      As long as you're not a Jedi, that is. ;-)

      D.

  15. Star Trek: Voyager Intro by prakslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you watch the intro sequence of ST: Voyager, you will notice that, during one of the scenes, the camera slowly cuts through the cryslline ice particles that make up the rings of Saturn. They put in a sound-effect to show what it would feel like. I always liked that sound. It was like being bathed by sounds of thousands little dusty bells tinkling.

    You can (barely) hear it on this ST: Voyager Audio Clip . It occurs at time index 1:08.

    1. Re:Star Trek: Voyager Intro by benzapp · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like someone brushed some cymbals, but it is interesting they put that in there and that you noticed it.

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    2. Re:Star Trek: Voyager Intro by richie2000 · · Score: 1

      First thing I thought about when I read the story. That sound always made my skin tingle a little. The attention to that little detail. The intro song is great too, BTW.

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  16. About as meaningful as false-color images by Jonathan · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you read the article, you'll find out that this isn't recorded by a microphone inside the spacecraft or anything like that, but is only a representation of impact data. That is, if someone wanted to make the impacts sound like bells, or cow moos or dog barks, those would be equally as valid representations as the "hail" sounding impacts.

    1. Re:About as meaningful as false-color images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they wouldn't. This is a direct translation of electromagnetic intensity into audio intensity; it's the closest representation to the original data that you can make.

  17. -1, Weapon of Mess Distraction by SunPin · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about those bright "spots" on Titan the size of Arizona. Looks like a city to me. They say it's clouds but they don't look like the other clouds around it. Conspiracy, I say.

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    1. Re:-1, Weapon of Mess Distraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it's just swamp gas.

  18. Re:Powerful 56 by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 0, Troll

    Mods, why is this a troll? Offtopic yes, but troll? Pull the Fretoes bags back from your face. THIS is a troll.

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  19. Oh, man by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

    was that just amazing, I just listened to it and it sounded ... so ... I can't find the word ... the wow factor ... it's like these cigarete smoke sized particles ionized by hitting against my brain directly.
    I need another puff of that magic dust

    1. Re:Oh, man by My_Dirty_Facist_Ass · · Score: 0

      ...They...they should have sent a poet!

  20. Dust cloud width by hlub · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would have expected a much narrower peak in the dust distribution - sounding rather like a short "swoosh" - given the thickness of the rings which is less than 1 km according to most estimates.

    Could anyone explain why the observed dust cloud was so much wider?

    1. Re:Dust cloud width by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Informative

      thickness of the rings increases with distance from saturn from meters to >1000Km for the outer rings. It's a gap in the outer rings that cassini passed through.

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    2. Re:Dust cloud width by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for micron sized dust grains, electromagnetic forces can be responsible for lifting the grains out of the main ring plane. in theory, the grain charges due to moving through magnetospheric plasma, and the charged grain moving through Saturn's mag field can then produce out of plane perturbation forces.

      if the charge to mass ratio is high enough on dust grains, then instead of perturbing forces you find the dust grains would be tied to magnetic field lines. they can run right up the lines of the (almost dipole) with very little push in that direction.

    3. Re:Dust cloud width by SsShane · · Score: 1

      My guess is that the rings have a certain falloff? The 1 km thickness may be for objects worth measuring; some are large enought to destroy the craft, there are even "moons" in the rings: bodies small enough not to be broken by the Roche Limit. I would guess that small dust particles would make a noticeable plasma puff at those speeds and that the dust stretches vertically much more than the 1 km "standard" ring size.

  21. Bang a gong. by twitter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That is, if someone wanted to make the impacts sound like bells, or cow moos or dog barks, those would be equally as valid representations as the "hail" sounding impacts.

    That might give you a better impresion of what your space ship would sound like as you passed the rings if you used dogs or cows for your hull.

    When I imagine the puffs of plasma translating into vibrations that might be heard by a traveler, I get something more like what was presented.

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  22. In space, no one can hear you scream... by BenSnyder · · Score: 0

    oh, no... wait... we heard you... nevermind.

    No one ever expects the Cassini spacecraft!

  23. uhhhmmm by ShadowRage · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the dust would be more damaging if the probe were statically sitting there, like absolutely still.
    or if the space craft were going against the particles. however, it's prollygoing either just a little slower or faster than the particles, so the speed of them hitting it is somewhere in the hundreds range to the thousand range.

    1. Re:uhhhmmm by pediddle · · Score: 1

      It was going against the particles. The particles are "stationary" in orbit around Saturn, while Cassini was flying at 50,000 mph relative on a course from Earth relative to Saturn. In addition, it was flying at an angle "up" through the rings, instead of just matching their orbit and floating around next to them.

  24. Cassini on DirecTV... by TheQuestion · · Score: 2, Informative

    For all you Cassini watchers who own DirecTV. They recently added NASA TV to their free lineup for total choice subscribers. I noticed it about a day after the Venus transit last month.

    It has been great for keeping up with the Cassini stuff though. I had it on during the entire SOI burn. It beats the crap out of a /.ed webcast.

    1. Re:Cassini on DirecTV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where have you been? NASA TV has always been free on DirecTV. To receive it, you just had to have one of the multi-bird dishes that could see the proper satellite.

      There's not much reason to have the multi dish unless your city's local channels require it, or you really, really like Spanish TV shows -or you really want NASA TV.

      FWIW, NASA TV is changing their channel later this year. Instead of ONE analog channel, they're going to have a digital multiplex of up to five broadcast channels (so they CAN show IIS coverage, Mars coverage and Saturn coverage all at the same time), plus have capacity for internal feeds for NASA use only (like the dull employee meetings), plus capacity for doing semi-private feeds out to news organizations.

      Currentlt all of that stuff fights to use the ONE channel and it causes issues when they need to do a Mars press conference but the channel is being tied up with something else, like a stupid morale meeting.

      There is no word yet if DTV and/or Dish Network are going to carry ALL the broadcast channels or just choose one -and you gotta hope it's the one showing the feed you want to see. I'm hoping DTV goes for all of it but not holding my breath.

  25. Argh! No! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1

    Oh, geez, not even as a joke! You'll get Richard Hoagland started!

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  26. cool. absolutely cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no words to describe how cool this is. I heard space dust from the Saturn rings hit a spaceprobe. Amazing.

  27. Re:Cassini by TwistedGreen · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...sort of like Space Quest II!

  28. what's really cool about this is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...IF these sounds from the impact of dust particles hit Cassini were audible through space, we're probably getting to listen to it "before" those sound waves were to reach Earth.

  29. Re:Powerful 56 by aurispector · · Score: 1

    You mean Fritos?

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  30. Bradley armor (Re:Sound in Space?) by NaDrew · · Score: 1
    It's the same kind of design they put into APCs and tanks -- put the extra armor where you're most likely to get hit, then try and take any hits there. (if you're ever unfortunte enough to have to take out an APC, don't bother shooting at the front, where they have a couple extra inches of armor. Aim at the sides.)
    Thus explaining the unfortunate success of Iraqi IEDs ("improvised explosive devices"), i.e. those damned roadside bombs that tend to explode as the vehicles are passing, not when they're approaching.
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    1. Re:Bradley armor (Re:Sound in Space?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things are damaged more easily if destructive force is applied on less well-protected areas, than if it were applied to heavily protected areas? Damn! Thank you, Captain Obvious!

  31. Off by one (order of magnitude) by jgs · · Score: 2, Informative
    so the speed of them hitting it is somewhere in the hundreds range to the thousand range.

    You don't give units, but assuming you're talking MPH you're off by an order of magnitude. TFA sez:
    they plowed into the spacecraft at a relative speed of approximately 20 km/s. That's 45,000 mph!
  32. No microphone by jgs · · Score: 5, Informative
    What I don't really get is why they have friggin microphones on space traveling vehicles?

    They don't. TFA to the rescue again:
    Each time a dust particle hit Cassini, the impact produced a puff of plasma--a tiny cloud of ionized gas. Cassini's Radio and Plasma Wave Science (RPWS) instrument was able to count these clouds; there were as many as 680 puffs per second. "We converted these into audible sounds that resemble hail hitting a tin roof," says Gurnett, the intrument's principal investigator.

    In other words, the sound is a representation of other data, slightly akin to false color images as an earlier poster pointed out.

    I can understand that it's a cheap thing to just throw in there

    I don't think anything with mass is cheap to add to a space probe. I don't recall what the per-kilo launch costs are for one of those things, but it's not small.
    1. Re:No microphone by Naito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      actually, it's more like counting lighting bolts by listening to crackles on AM radio.

  33. 3001 by cibressus+lybir · · Score: 1

    if one remebers in Author C Clarks 3001 the final odesy when dave boarded that guys space craft to go out to that icy moon, you know which one i'm talking about.. he had to have his armor replaced to shield against microscopic particles at .13 of C.

  34. They could also hear.. by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    ..Mixed in with the static was the faint broadcast of someone frantically yelling:

    "Goddamit Sulu, sheilds up!! sheilds up!!"

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  35. Recording wind sound on Mars by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Informative

    This isn't the first time NASA have had this idea -- they have tried to record actual sounds on Mars from wind blowing (and this wasn't supposed to be a simulation of the sound, like these effects are). However, the space craft with this equipment was unfortunately the Mars Polar Lander which crashed due to the infamous metric conversion mistake. :-(

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    1. Re:Recording wind sound on Mars by Teancum · · Score: 1

      Considering how trivial it is to get a microphone into an intrument package, and how comparatively small PCM data alone could be, I'm curious why this didn't make it onto the Mars Rover project?

      I know that it would have taken a little bit more power, space, etc., so maybe that answers the question. Still, it would be nice.

      I guess that on the next launch window to Mars it will be going, this time with the French.

  36. So when is someone by Flower · · Score: 1

    going to mix that with some pan flute music and make a relaxation tape out of it. Go into Borders and listen to "Sounds of Saturn" while drinking my Vanilla Chai.

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  37. It seems by alexborges · · Score: 1

    That all that beowolf clusters at NASA aint worth much against the Atack Of Teh Slahsdot Uberfiends

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  38. Space sounds by popexxiii · · Score: 1

    More interesting sounds collected from Cassini: http://www.uiowa.edu/~ournews/2003/october/103003s olar-noise.html

  39. While we're using animals to simulate things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you passed the signal through this guy's old phone line, you could hear it today!

  40. what do you hear? by tabby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    nothing but the rain ;-)

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  41. Well, I'll be goddamned. by crmartin · · Score: 1

    Finally got an article accepted.

    1. Re:Well, I'll be goddamned. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a typo, too, no less.

  42. Re:Powerful 56 by Mandrake · · Score: 1
    1) rob wouldn't care enough to not just post it under his own id.

    2) not all of rob's friends have low user ids.

    3) put down the crack pipe.

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  43. The sound of Stupidity by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    ""Each time a dust particle hit Cassini, the impact produced a puff of plasma--a tiny cloud of ionized gas. Cassini's Radio and Plasma Wave Science (RPWS) instrument was able to count these clouds; there were as many as 680 puffs per second. "We converted these into audible sounds that resemble hail hitting a tin roof,."

    Which means they could have also converted them into audible sounds that resembled a dog barking. Or maybe a cat meowing. Fuck, plasma puffs hitting the antenna could have resembled a Van Halen guitar solo for all we know.

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  44. I still have troubles fathoming... by clifgriffin · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The fact that we have these complex machines doing our bidding a few million miles away.

    Absolutely incredible.

  45. How can there be sound when there is no atmosphere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That might "sound" silly but sounds propagates throught "air" or gazes ... how could there be sounds in the interplanetary vacuum ????

  46. Nyuk nyuk nyuk.... by LittleGuy · · Score: 1
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  47. Now, if they can only... by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

    If they can only make a car that won't fall apart in a few years, or make a noiseless cpu fan. Why can't they fix my crown tooth permanently, or get my monitor mirror from unsticking and falling down.

    1. Re:Now, if they can only... by Xiver · · Score: 1

      Get to work bud. You've found the need now all you have to do is take advantage of it...

      However, as long as you sit and complain things will only stay the same.

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  48. Nicked from Voyager? by jazman · · Score: 1

    I didn't LTTFA but I wonder if they recorded it for real or just nicked the sound off the Voyager intro where the ship is travelling across some rings that the camera moves through.