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Fedora Core 3 Test 1 Released
Gudlyf writes "Notice just went out to the Fedora Announce List about the availability of Fedora Core 3 Test 1. Things expected in FC3 include Linux kernel 2.6.7, GCC 3.4, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, and Evolution 2.0. As always, you can get Fedora Core test releases at redhat.com, specifically here and (for a torrent) here."
Always have the cd isos and working on the dvd iso with a 10mbit pipe. :)
Suprised to see FC3 Test1 so soon.
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
Will this work out of the box with the Linksys WMP54G 802.11G wireless card? Or will I still have to fsck around with ndiswrapper?
Anyone?
No disrespect intended against the Fedora team, but I find that this release schedule is not so hot. There have been A LOT of issues with my installation of FC2 on a standard dell box. Maybe this was just a fluke, but I can't understand the whole idea of a point release every few months. Nonetheless, where's the torrent?
Yes, just install it and select the option to overwrite all existing partitions, assuming you want the "Break XP" option.
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We can only hope... ;)
It's already starting to act slow, so I might as well post it as an AC to avoid karma whoring.
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Announcing Fedora Core 3 Test 1
* From: Bill Nottingham
* To: fedora-announce-list redhat com
* Subject: Announcing Fedora Core 3 Test 1
* Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:38:37 -0400
[ witty or not-so-witty reference ]
Yes, it's time for the [number] test release of Fedora Core [number]. Fedore Core [number] includes various new features, such as
KDE [version], GNOME [version], and the [version] kernel.
[call for testing]
[admonition about production use]
Problems with Fedora Core [number] test [number] should be reported via bugzilla, at:
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/
Please report bugs against 'Fedora Core', release 'test1'.
For more information on just what the Fedora Project and Fedora Core is, please see:
http://fedora.redhat.com/
For discussion of Fedora Core test releases, send mail to:
fedora-test-list-request redhat com
with subscribe in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. Or see: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora -test-list/
As always, you can get Fedora Core test releases at redhat.com, specifically: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux
Or on the following mirrors:
* North America
* USA East
* http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core
* ftp://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ test/2.90/
* rsync://mirror.linux.duke.edu/fedora-linux-core/te st/2.90/
* ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/l inux/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/te st/2.90/
* http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/ test/2.90/
* ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/t est/2.90/
* rsync://mirror.hiwaay.net/fedora-linux-core/test/2
* ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* http://redhat.secsup.org/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/test/2.90/
* ftp://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/test/ 2.90/
* http://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* rsync://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/fedora/core/test/2.90/
* http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downlo ad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2. 90/
* ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downloa d.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2.9 0/
* rsync://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downl oad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* USA West
* ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux
* Canada
* ftp://less.cogeco.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2
* ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/l inux/core/test/2.90/
* http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/fedora/linu x/core/test/2.90/
* http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux
* ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux/ core/test/2.90/
* South America
* Chile
It's test1.
If you're afraid of it breaking anything at all, you probably don't want to use it.
If you on the other hand want to help the developers find the bugs at an early stage so they can squeeze the bugs, download it immediately, start testing and report bugs.
They're moving so fast, that I think they pile on more bugs than the rate they fix them at. Its generally pretty good, but still, a slightly slower schedule wouldn't impare them much. There really hasn't been that much new software since FC2 was released. Why not patch FC2, and wait for more stable builds of the next Gnome, like 2.8.2 or something, and KDE 3.3.1. It doesn't seems like Gnome 2.8 is that far along, and will be shipping as RC instead of finalized and tested. And if they do finalize 2.8, will is just be a bug-fix with like 1 new feature?
Aren't Windows XP installs broken by default?
=)
Jason Lotito
I would have expected to see a ChangeLog in the article posted, as well as saying if the big bugs in FC2 have been fixed! (Windows mbr breakage and Orinoco wireless PCMCIA support breakage).
Fun stats on the BT tracker --> http://torrent.linux.duke.edu:6969/
Sometimes, just sometimes, I get the feeling that Linux distributions are being released too fast for ordinary users to keep up. I mean, FC2 was released about a month back (roughly), and here we are, talking about about FC3 Test 1 already! I guess FC3's slated to be released sometime in October.
The problem with this is that often, packages (rpms) for older distros are discontinued, thus forcing users to upgrade. I know stuff like Yum solves a lot of these issues, but the fundamental problem still remains.
For instance, I was running FC1 with KDE 3.2 Beta 2, which released sometime in December 2003, and wanted to upgrade to KDE 3.2.3 - but I couldn't find any rpms for FC1 at all, only FC2. Since upgrading was on the card anyways, I did download and install FC2, and all's well that ends well, but it did leave me thinking about whether Open Source software products are being released a tad too fast.
I wrote an essay about technology overload [rahulgaitonde.org] on my website. This news post on /. made me instantly think back to that essay.
Are you kidding or just ignorantly looking for karma?
It's got four CDs, einstein, because it's got so damned many apps bundled with it.
Try bundling MS office, MS SQL (two versions of it), exchange, and a few other M$ bloatware apps with XP and THEN come tell me about bloated installs.
You have obviously never installed fedora and if you did you did it to put it on your resume that you are a Redhat expert and have administered it for years.
Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
I believe there was a typo in your post:
you mispelled "masterbate to pictures of techTV chicks" as "screw my girlfriend" and "constantly" as "6 hours".
my pet machine
Mandrake had that bug.
And SuSe also had that bug.
If you mind not spreading fud and educating yourself have a look at This Page Which tells you how to not only recover the problem, but avoid it all together.
This crap is really getting old, stop trying to place blame only on Fedora dev's when every distro with 2.6 kernel has this problem okay?
-- "of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong." --Dennis Miller
Take the RPMs from mysql.com. They are really stable and work as expected.
Meme of the day: I browse "Disable Sigs: Checked". So should you.
I can't believe that you got moderated "Informative" for such rant.
First of all, it's not about "every X weeks". FC1 was released 5 November 2003, FC2 was released 18 May 2004. FC3 is due 18 October 2004.
Secondly, nobody forces you to upgrade. These people are doing their best to improve free (as in libre) software, while you scoff at them. Give me a break.
Things that interest me:
- I see the Freedesktop.org HAL code is being included in test1. That will be interesting to see if and how integrated it will be in the final release. We'll probably also see some sort of real udev support this time.
- The timetable for the next official X.org release is planned to sync with Fedora Core 3. I'm a bit skeptical they can make it in time, but it would be really cool if they did. This will be the first X.org to include the new desktop composition extension from Keith Packards kdrive test.
It's like deja vu all over again.
I had to upgrade a few RedHat 9.0 internal development servers. I thought the Fedora release cycle was too rapid and Redhat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) was too expensive for internal development servers. I plan to use RHEL for the production machines. But for internal use I decided to use Debian instead for the following reasons:
* slow stable release cycle
* easier upgrades
* server management and configuration tools
One drawback of the slow release cycle of Debian is that software versions are somewhat old. If you need a newer version of a particular package Debian Backports can help with using newer software with stable Debian releases.
/feeding the troll, but this same kind of thought is appearing too regularly when discussing Fedora
/feed
Dude, chill.
As has been mentioned many, many times, and is explicitly stated on fedora's homepage, fedora is not in any way an enterprise-ready distribution. It's not meant to be. It's meant to be a testing ground for RedHat Enterprise Linux.
This comes with all appropriate caveats. No one is forcing you to continually install the most bleeding edge software, and if you are doing so in anything other than a troubleshooting/hobbiest/dick-in-the-wind environment, you are asking for a lot of trouble.
Don't blame Red Hat for your obsession with having the absolute latest software installed all the time.
B.
"We must still have chaos within in order to be able to give birth to a dancing star." --Friedrich Nietzsche
While i totally agree that you are getting much more then just an OS and windowing system, it doesnt take 4 cds to put out an OS+desktop+sql+office suite+devlopment ide.. etc
If you doubt this, look at mepis, or FBSD....
While some choice is good, Fedora is piling on TOO many duplicated items.. Unfortunately this is a common problem with linux distros in general.. Just because its free and you can, doesnt mean you should... Bulk doesnt always mean better..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
It's fairly hard for a "normal" User on the slim line between an fairly actual system and a productive system. Anyway, new stuff always attracts me a lot (another load of hours lost :-)...
But the problem on Linux and especially with distributions a la Fedora is interoperability. Every version demands it's own RPM archive, there isn't just this thing like "xine-0.99xx.rpm" and GO. It's just like DLL Hell on Windows with the difference that it's more complicated to have different versions coexisting (M$ did some tweaks in that area); i know, it's cleaner but under M$ "IT JUST WORKS".
What really needs to get done is a wider adoption of sort of freedesktop.org "standards" like DBUS and a defined versioning System for all those *.so libraries on the system. Apple does some fairly cool tricks in that area with so called "frameworks" which exist as isolated directories and can contain multiple versions of a framework. Combined with late binding, it's just possible to trust a certain frozen API version.
I know it was already a huge step forward that most libraries now feature those xxx-config scripts so that the "user" doesn't have to supply all those directories and stuff for easier building. But let's get serious on that: A "real" user doesn't compile his stuff. And without tackling that matter we won't get serious (and working) package dependencies. And till that doesn't work every distribution is in fact a big bloated testing team trying to figure out the dependencies and building propietary packages that only work with this specific version of the distrib...
BTW I think that's part of the reason why gentoo is so successful...
Why do you think RedHat switched to the Fedora model? Fedora is not meant to be a stable, production distribution. Even the non-test releases are still test releases. That's the whole point. They have "bleeding-edge", Fedora, and "enterprise stable", RHEL. They decided that maintaining a middle category that wasn't providing them with funds was a bad idea. With Fedora, they give a free bleeding-edge OS and get free testing. With RHEL, they have you pay for a solid OS and you get technical support.
It's actually a pretty good model, but not one my company can afford, so we are in the process of switching to Mandrake.
Engineering and the Ultimate
I mean it's on the development schedule that test1 would be released today. This release shouldn't be a suprise for those complaining about installing this new one so soon.
As you can see, the core 3 will be done about October for those using core 2.
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Unix is very user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.
Strange reasoning.
It's easier to install mySQL 4 on Fedora than reinstall OS.
Slow DOWN guys!
You just released FC2 a few months ago. To be honest, it was lackluster. Bugs and problems are rampant. Really guys, fix up FC2, release FC2.1,2.2,etc first. Then move on to FC3. You guys cannot stay bleeding edge, and noone is expecting you to. That kind of thing is better left to the likes of Gentoo. You just worry about staying a version or two behind bleeding edge, and release a really solid OS that people can move into from Windows and have realatively few problems. Remember, the less problematic a first timer's (n00b, whatever) experience is with Linux, the more likely they will be to sticking around and finding out what this "open source" thing is really all about.
They'll fix mp3 support when the MP3 codec is free software. There is an RPM out there that adds MP3 support back into XMMS. Hell, it's at XMMS' site, go figure.
It's not a universal bug. I've got four FC2 systems up right now, and none of them were effected.
I don't know a whole lot about it (since it didn't effect me, it mostly just passed by me), but just because your gentoo system wasn't effected, doesn't mean someone elses wasn't.
Seriously, though, I think that Fedora 3 stands a chance of being reasonably good for the "average Linux user." By that, I mostly mean going back to the pre-Fedora levels of troubleshooting while improving on the user-friendliness.
I just had a painful weekend trying to upgrade my machines at home. I managed to install FC2 on my desktop without a glitch but the first thing I did (and anyone else would do) after booting up --- trying to update the system --- failed because of two bugs (one of which is in rpm and is supposedly fixed but a new package is not released yet).
My server refused to take any of the newer stuff from Red Hat. It is an VIA mini-ITX box running RH9. I was hoping to update to FC2 but due to a bug in the 2.6.6 and earlier kernels which affects the C3 CPU, the installer can not even start. (Heh! I just found out that there is decent workaround posted for this one. Who says that posting to Slashdot does not pay out?)
I also tried to install RHEL Academic Edition (which looked like closely derived from RH9) only to discover that it does not support this particular machine (too bad --- I was going to gladly pay the $50 for updates).
From the news in the past couple of months, it looks like most of the latest offerings (not only by Redhat) have had too many issues to be considered decent. It looks like the reason for that is that most problems are bugs in the kernel (firewire, VIA C3 support) or are related to the kernel (Windows dual-boot issue).
With the exception of firewire support, however (which I don't know if it has been fixed in 2.6.7), the issues that concern me have been resolved. Also the publicity around some of the issues gives me hope that the Fedora folks will be a little more careful with the next release. This makes me think that Fedora 3 may finally live up to the expectations.
The Fedora Crew can go as fast and agressive as they want if and only if they provide smooth upgrade paths by yum/up2date/"insert your favorite updating method here".
My FC2 install is only 1.5 months old. It took me that long to decide to upgrade since the old software was working great. When I did finally buckle down to do it I had to do a CD install. I would rather do a "yum upgrade-distribution" or something else entirely.
Between Debian's slowness of "it will be done when its done" and the neckbreaking speed of Fedora I keep hoping to find some sort of middle ground. I like software to be as progressive as anyone but upgrading is a major pain. If they solve that problem, then the world will beat a path to their door.