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We're taking the system down tonight for a some system updates. We expect to go down around 9 (eastern) and hope to be back up by midnight. This is a pretty substantial upgrade, but the changes are almost entirely 'Under the Hood' type fixes: architecture stuff that shouldn't really impact much end user functionality. When the dust settles we expect there to be a few bugs cropping up, so please click that 'Bugs' link on the left hand menu and submit reports so we can squash them quickly. And sorry about the inconvenience. We know it will be hard to live without us for a few hours, but I figure some quality time with your friends and family might just be long overdue! (Also, for the curious, a brief summary of what the change is actually all about follows) Ok, so when I wrote the original code for Slashdot, I had these "Sections" and these "Topics". You're familiar with both I'm sure... the "Sections" are like "Apple" and "BSD". They have unique color schemes, and their own homepages. The "Topics" are specific areas of subject matter... you know them because they each have a colorful little icon associated with them... like for example the rockin 'Slashdot' logo that is attached to this story.

When I originally "designed" (I use the term loosely since evolved is more accurate) the system, "Sections" were meant to be for "Data Types"... for example "Book Reviews". A book review is fundamentally different than a Slashdot "Article" because it has extra fields like the ISBN code. At the same time I essentially coded "Skins" because each "Data Type" needed custom look & feel type stuff so that the story could actually display the unique data fields.

So when we created YRO and the BSD section and later on the Apple section, I just reused the skinning part of "Sections".. it was the easiest way to do it, but it created problems later: under the old design a story could only have one "Section"... some sections defined "Data Type" and others defined "Subject Matter" (like Apple or BSD)... thats why bsd.slashdot.org can never include a book review, and apple.slashdot.org can't include an 'Ask Slashdot'. This confounded users of our search page to no ends, to say nothing of frustrating editors who couldn't include topical stories within their appropriate section.

Undoubtedly we'll see some bugs to pop up... so please be patient and submit bug reports. We'll be wacking bugs for a few days... there's always a few of them that don't pop up until you put them in front of the half a million users on the real hardware. Thanks for understanding!

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  1. 9 eastern? by lecithin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks for the advanced notice!!!!!

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    1. Re:9 eastern? by oudzeeman · · Score: 5, Funny

      slashdot isn't that crucial to your Friday night, is it?

    2. Re:9 eastern? by maxbang · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you kidding? This is worse than having all six suns setting for the first time in thousands of years. I have no choice but to watch Stargate: Atlantis and finish the other half of this pizza feast. Fatter, yes. Completely insane, also yes. Plans for Friday night, of course not.

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    3. Re:9 eastern? by Squareball · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if the subscribers get the downtime before the rest of us?

    4. Re:9 eastern? by ahknight · · Score: 3, Funny

      Even if, we still have Stargate Atlantis and Fark, so we'll live.

      Now, take my Fark and we'll have words.

    5. Re:9 eastern? by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, I almost forgot, while slashdot is down, you should check out this homestarrunner "system is down" message.

      Trust me.

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    6. Re:9 eastern? by iabervon · · Score: 3, Funny

      The story was submitted a while ago, but you know how long it takes for the editors to get around to posting stuff...

    7. Re:9 eastern? by Darby · · Score: 2, Funny

      The beauty of this site.

      A Super Computer Researcher busted Lecithin for even freakin noticing that maintenance is going on.

      Call me a geek, but I think this place is pretty cool

      Darby

    8. Re:9 eastern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Homestar Runner's 404 page is pretty amusing, too.

    9. Re:9 eastern? by Pathwalker · · Score: 4, Informative

      What's more likely is that the phone reps are penalized for canceling accounts, so he made up an excuse to get you to call back on a day when he wasn't going to be working.

    10. Re:9 eastern? by Hungry+Bear · · Score: 2, Funny

      I suffered through it. I work 3rd shift and Slashdot is what makes time go by at night. I was lost, bored, had to do actual work until you came back online.

    11. Re:9 eastern? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is most likely it exactly. The only phone reps who are allowed to cancel accounts in most mega-company setups (AOL, credit card issuers, insurance firms, etc.) are people who are specially trained to try to talk you out of canceling, and statistics are kept on how well they perform. A person who calls, gets to the cancelation reps, and doesn't actually go through with it is scored as a "save", and various metrics are computed to determine the saves per time worked, number of calls taken, etc. and compared to the company averages or arbitrary metrics.

      I think the grandparent poster just encountered somebody who was lying about being unable to process the cancelation so that they'd be given a save in order to boost the numbers. I don't think top-level management would approve of such a tactic, but it's certainly possible a mid-level manager would "look the other way" about his "star performer"...

    12. Re:9 eastern? by Burpmaster · · Score: 2, Funny
      This is worse than having all six suns setting for the first time in thousands of years.

      Five suns. The sixth sun didn't set, it was eclipsed.

      Nerd!

    13. Re:9 eastern? by surprise_audit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Might have been nice if the site could have been redirected to a static page explaining what was going on. Their ISP could probably have hosted it.

    14. Re:9 eastern? by Tet · · Score: 2, Informative
      If they didn't use flash, they couldn't do the stuff they do, active games, totally interactive menus, etc. with html

      Actually, they could do pretty much everything. Interactive menus? Not desirable in the first place, but easy enough to do with CSS if you really want to. Strongbad could be done with any movie format, and needn't be in Flash. The only part of the site that doesn't really have an option at the moment is the interactive games. Yes, there are alternatives to Flash for that (Java, SVG, etc.) but none of them are ubiquitous enough to be a valid choice at the moment. Maybe in a few years, but not now.

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  2. oh no... by the+arbiter · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm a geek! What am I to do until Slashdot returns?

    Well, I guess I'll just have to go outside, or talk to a girl, or something...

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    1. Re:oh no... by FyRE666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm a geek! What am I to do until Slashdot returns?

      Set up a mirror? ;-)

    2. Re:oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "or talk to a girl"

      A what?

    3. Re:oh no... by PiGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, you guys should do this more often. During the time Slashdot was down, I found a girlfriend, got a secure, high-paying job, learned to ski, and seamlessly integrated KDE and GNOME into the Next Big Thing(tm).

    4. Re:oh no... by kesuki · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, i did find a girlfriend/potential future wife, but 3-4 hours wasn't long enough for me to find a job, or write the next great american novel... KEEP up the good work slashdot!

    5. Re:oh no... by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, I guess I'll just have to go outside, or talk to a girl...

      Most readers here would need a published API for such interaction...

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    6. Re:oh no... by Quasar1999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      But why is the getLaid(void *) call just a wrapper to the kissAss(), suckUp(), and payBribe(LARGE INT) calls???

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    7. Re:oh no... by ameoba · · Score: 2, Funny

      Girls are the consumer model of those creatures you see in your porn.

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  3. At least... by example42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least it's night time (here) so I can go outside to play. The evil burning brightness is gone for 8 hours.

  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  5. Uh oh.... by Kymermosst · · Score: 4, Funny

    20,000 nerds are going to have to find something else to do for three hours...

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    1. Re:Uh oh.... by Kpt+Kill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just jam on refresh until the page comes back

    2. Re:Uh oh.... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Funny
      " 20,000 nerds are going to have to find something else to do for three hours..."

      Isn't it usually right about now that the Autopr0n guy shows up to plug his site?

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  6. NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    uh oh, no /. for 3 hours! I might have to actually interact with people in meatspace! say it ain't so!!!

  7. Downtime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You forgot to add, "Do not attempt sexual relations, as years of computer monitor radiation have left
    your genitals withered and useless."

  8. Question.... by Lurch+Kimded · · Score: 4, Insightful

    9pm eastern... Whats that in GMT? ;)

    Good luck with the upgrade, I hope Sod and his law stay far... FAR away.

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    1. Re:Question.... by Siva · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, yes, but where in Daylight Savings right now...so GMT-4

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    2. Re:Question.... by epsalon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because the UK is in daylight savings time...
      UK TIME != GMT.

  9. Be sure to do a backup by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just kidding.

  10. Bad timing by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    We expect to go down around 9 (eastern) and hope to be back up by midnight.

    Oh that's just great. Now what the hell am I supposed to do with myself on a Friday night? Go downtown and watch all the cool people on their dates?

    Couldn't you guys have scheduled this downtime for sometime during my work hours so I could actually get something done at the office for a change?

    GMD

  11. never thought i'd get to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    last comment

    1. Re:never thought i'd get to say it... by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't get too excited, this story will have a dupe by Sunday. ;)

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  12. Real Life Test by Duct+Tape+Pro · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is really a test to see if real life's servers can handle all the slashdot users trying to interact with it at once.

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  13. So, what are the changes? by Star_Gazer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taco, all you do is describe what the current design (step of evolution) is, but what are the changes?. Obviously, you will have removed those restrictions, but you don't say so. :)

    1. Re:So, what are the changes? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it means we are the beta testers, and the goal is to make it LOOK and feel the same, just different mechanically.

      Believe me, anytime something isn't working right, you can just grep through the comments and find all the complains and debugging information you can stand.

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  14. How about upgrading to valid html? by kevin_conaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And re-doing the layout in proper css?

    1. Re:How about upgrading to valid html? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's already been done, but no one wants to actually update Slashcode.

    2. Re:How about upgrading to valid html? by jamie · · Score: 4, Informative
      A pair of coders who use Slash are being generous with their time and effort, and working on migrating Slash to XML... we hope to work with them soon to get their work into the main Slash distribution.

      Migrating a whole site to XHTML is much, much harder than doing a mockup of one page.

    3. Re:How about upgrading to valid html? by Nurgled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have a feeling my grandparent poster wanted a machine-readable interface to the whole site, including comments, journals etc.

      While that's great in theory, I know from experience that it just ends up inviting even more badly-written bots which mess up caches and hammer the site for ten minutes at a time because their authors are too incompetant to implement their own caching and stagger their requests.

    4. Re:How about upgrading to valid html? by DougWebb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not the environment, it's the way Slash evolved. I've got a similar problem at my job; our web product started small, at a time when we were a smaller company without the 'Design and Plan and Review first, then Build it' mentality. Then it got big and popular, and lots of new stuff was grafted on, and there was never any time to rebuild it with a proper design.

      I've read the Slash book, and looked at the code a bit, and I can see that the same thing happened. Just like with my product, Slash needs a proper redesign and a complete rewrite. That's a LOT of work, but once it's done, any future large-scale changes to the output will be much simpler to implement.

    5. Re:How about upgrading to valid html? by jamie · · Score: 3, Informative

      The two guys who are doing the conversion don't work for VA Software / OSDN, they are doing it for their own reasons. One actually started on HTML 4.01 and then they decided to join forces and work on the same project, and chose XHTML instead of 4.01. So you'd have to ask them as to why. Stop by #slash on irc.slashnet.org if you want...

  15. Isn't tonight Stargate Atlantis? by antdude · · Score: 2, Informative

    Watch that during the downtime if you can. Of course for me, I don't have cable/satellite TV. So feh! :(

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  16. Aw come on :( by happyhippy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was about to launch my DOS attack on /. at that time!

  17. Re:Edit? by Star_Gazer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Editing posts is evil! It may seem like a good idea for fixing that stupid typo or the wrong link, but it usually ends in deleted/edited posts where people just don't stand up to their words and nobody can follow what the reason for the discussion/flamewar was.

    I see it all the time on other discussion forums, it's no fun!

  18. Crossing my fingers by MooseByte · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We're taking the system down tonight for a some system updates. We expect to go down around 9 (eastern) and hope to be back up by midnight.".

    If I had stock options for every time I'd tried that and ended up having to scurry in a panic through the weekend... Oh wait, I'd still be broke. Nevermind.

    Best of luck guys!

  19. So, Slashdot will be down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think I may just head over to the JBoss forums to spend my weekend. JBoss offers proven open source solutions that are a step above anything available today. Face it, the competition is crap and JBoss is the only Company to offer a viable solution. I do not work for JBoss.

  20. Re:7 minutes to go *sob* by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are you talking about Jennicam or /. ?

    wbs.

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  21. LP? by zoloto · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last Post?!?

  22. While you're at it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... you might as well fix the bug where comments become are skipped in paged mode when a thread has more than the maximum number of visible comments per page. The next page then repeats the supersized thread, instead of showing the following threads. The page after that continues with threads further down, not the thread directly following the supersized thread.

  23. Google cache... by DarkBlackFox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, never thought I'd have to use a Google cache for Slashdot!!

  24. Re:Edit? by hattig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wouldn't mind an "Add a footnote to post" option though. Just append a small note to the bottom. like "Doh! Misspelt 'gerbil'! I always do that!"

  25. Shashdot will be slashdotted! by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

    This time, Slashdot will get a taste of its own medicine as it's Slashdotted at midnight when it comes back up from the upgrade (and then goes back down). The fact that it's a Friday night will have little effect, given the audience.

  26. Exactly. by cgenman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I agree. Anytime *I* have to take anything out of production for our 1500-odd users at the company I work at, they require *AT LEAST* 12 hours notice, if not more. Usually, we give 24.

    Do you have any idea how much of a disruption to the workflow at my company Slashdot going down is? If we don't keep the engineers distracted, they'll start interacting with the customers! The customers will be speaking to someone who knows something. Then the customer will know something. Then our business is ruined.

    Thanks Slashdot. Thanks a lot. I hope you like your prescious backend update. In Japan.

  27. It will be interesting to see what happens by SteamyMobile · · Score: 5, Funny
    Slashdot switching from mod_perl to a JSP/Servlet backend is going to be a very interesting change. It will finally put an end to all this "Java is not scalable enough" and "Java is slow" type of talk we see here.

    If it doesn't work, then I'm guessing that Slashdot will move to the ultimate in stable, secure and scalable web architectures: ASP.net.

  28. Time::timelocal() says... by gkwok · · Score: 5, Funny

    The downtime will be between 1090026000 and 1090036800.

  29. First Bug? by big_a · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, all the links seem to be going to "example.com"... (i.e. read more takes you to example.com)

  30. I know what one of the changes was! by JoeShmoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Someone apparently forgot to remove an "example.com" placeholder! It's good to see that slashdot hires people so well versed in RFC 2606!

    ( Read More... | science.example.com )

    ( Read More... | 91 comments | yro.example.com )

    And so on...

    - JoeShmoe
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  31. Obligatory Star Wars Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I feel a disturbance in the force, as if a million virgins were crying out, then suddenly silenced...

  32. WOW, Slashdot is teh sucks! by cmacb · · Score: 2, Funny

    I didn't know what to do, so I tried going outside!

    It's DARK out there!

    I'm just going to wait here and watch my screensaver while I wait for /. to come back.

    Oh, wait, NM.

  33. Thank god it's back up! by bergeron76 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've actually had to work for the past few hours.

    [shudder]

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  34. Slashdotting by MaverickUW · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't know what had happened. I was starting to wonder if slashdot had referenced itself and somehow experienced the slashdot effect

  35. Re:Edit? by Alsee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of the time you just want to fix a typo or broken tag moments after posting (even when you *did* use preview).

    So how about only allowing edits so long as the post has not been modded and no one has replied yet? As far as I can see that avoids every objection to editing posts.

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  36. Re:Edit? by Yorrike · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Or get rid of the circa 1997 layout.
    I mean, tables? C'mon!

    For a site that's constantly running stories on how people should switch to Mozilla and the like, they've decided to keep compatibility to Netscape 3.0.

    No geek runs a browser so old that they have to rely on tables for layout. Get with the program, /.

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  37. Slashdot is down...? by bigt_littleodd · · Score: 2, Funny
    They prolly got slashdotted!

    Oh, wait...

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  38. Re:yea but by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 2, Funny

    No it didn't help me.

    I was wondering if perhaps /. got /.'ed which made me laugh a little on the outside, inside I cried.

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  39. Bug found... by atomic-penguin · · Score: 2, Funny

    No "Bugs" link to my left!

    Just kidding, made you look!

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  40. Substantial Upgrade? by ralfg33k · · Score: 2, Funny
    We expect to go down around 9 (eastern) and hope to be back up by midnight. This is a pretty substantial upgrade


    Upgrade? That sounds more like pretty substantial foreplay.
  41. I knew Karma would pay off... by gwoodrow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thanks to my good slashdot karma, the only time I was busy today was from 9-midnight and entirely missed the blackout. I knew it'd pay off eventually!

  42. yay Taco by Geno+Z+Heinlein · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thanks for upgrading the rss code. Now I don't have to load the RSS for all the subsections separately, because the main rss has all the stories.

  43. 15 Minutes Warning by rfc1394 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those dirty rotten #*($#*%( only gave us 15 $#*(@ minutes warning before shutting the #*$% place down. I thought the place had been slashdotted or something, I wasn't able to get through. May they roast in hell for a thousand years with no Internet access!

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  44. Re:Can't by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Informative

    oh really

    Here I am in FreeBSD using Firefox

    I go here :

    http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/dow nl oad.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash

    I get this message :

    Macromedia Flash Player Download Center

    We are unable to locate a single Web player that best matches your platform and operating system.
    Please visit our table of recommended Web players. .

    Please go read this page

    http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alt er nates/

    and revise your opinion on the ubiqity of Flash

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  45. Slashdot slashdotted by darkitecture · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had no warning about this scheduled shutdown, so when I tried to load up the page and it failed, the first thing that flashed into my head was "Sweet Zombie Jesus, Slashdot's been slashdotted!"

    I had all these images of newspapers like in the movies, where the front page of the New York Times and stuff has the article title in size 120 font, with such classic direct titles as "WAR!" and "ALIENS LAND" or "DEAD!"

    Just imagine the front of the New York Times declaring "SLASHDOT SLASHDOTTED!"

    Or better yet, "/. /.ED!"

  46. Re:Edit? by mooingyak · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'd also need something in place to check if a post you're replying to has been edited since you clicked on the 'Reply' button (or the 'moderate' button) so that you don't get this sequence:

    Poster: "I like dogs!"

    Another poster clicks reply, and starts to type.

    OP clicks edit, and changes to: "I like sex with dogs!"

    The 2nd poster now clicks on submit with "It's good to find someone with the same interests as me."

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  47. Next time... by HanB · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Please put up one page that explains that you're down and how long it will last. Little effort, great pleasure.

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  48. This is much better! by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm so glad that Slashdot finally made the switch from Windows 98 to Windows98 Second Edition. I expect that this will make thing run much more smoothly.

  49. IT speaks volumes by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    about professionalism when slashdot is upgrading, and instead of a nice, slashdot-style page coming up saying "The system is down for maintenance".. we get a big, ugly HTTP error.

  50. curse you, 12-hour clock..... by hta · · Score: 2, Funny

    9 AM or 9 PM?

    will my daily fix disappear in 10 hours 30 minutes, or 12 hours sooner, which is..... wait, that's obvious, isn't it?

    Forget that I asked, please....

  51. Re:Edit? by Gherald · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Sorry, you are not allowed to edit this comment. Either someone has replied, or it has been moderated."

  52. Re:Can't by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    google turns up a few useful-looking links on the subject of flash and freebsd. Nonetheless you're running a desktop which is marginal in popularity at best as a desktop OS and you're bitching about not having a supported version of flash player? Next you'll be complaining about a lack of mozilla for the atari 800.

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  53. API published for talking to girls! by AnotherScratchMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dating Design Patterns, previously reviewed here.