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New iPod Design Pictures Leak

Brian Hoyt writes "Apple's new iPod design will be announced Monday. A cover picture depicting the new design from Newsweek has been discovered early. MacRumors broke the story - MacRumors and more specifically the cover itself - NewsWeek"

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  1. New Design: by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a big stretch from the iPod Mini to the design shown in the picture. I'm pleased with the new design... kind of back to it's roots.

    My biggest problem with the previous design is the unapparent secondary button function. When the buttons are arranged around the wheel, the special combinations (Menu & Play/Pause to reset) make a fair sight more sense. Holding Menu for the backlight is especially obscure. I discovered this intuitively on my Original iPod - all of the buttons on the Original had an important Continuous Press function before the first several updates that gave us a new time search for the songs. My friend didn't know about the Menu Backlight - he used the automatic backlight - until I told him with his 30g. He's not stupid by any means, there just wasn't any reason that the second button over would also be a special Backlight control.

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    1. Re:New Design: by SpooForBrains · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, did you or your friend ... you know ... RTFM? :)

      Seriously though, the first thing I do when I get a new piece of kit is read the manual front to back. Usually on the loo, but that bit's not essential.

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    2. Re:New Design: by MrBoombasticfantasti · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm pleased with the new design... kind of back to it's roots.

      I, for one, do NOT welcome our wheel-clicking overlords. Normally I use my iPod without really looking at it: while driving (car or bicycle) or without getting it out of my coat pocket (to avoid getting too much attention of thugs).

      By having separate buttons and wheel there is almost no clicky-where-no-clicky-was-intended. With this new old approach this is no longer working.

      While I can understand that Steve wants everybody to rejoice the iPod in the open, I prefer mine hidden.

      After all, it's mine! Mine! My preciousss!

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    3. Re:New Design: by Pfhor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, part of how the ipod is so fast is that itunes actually generates the file database on its end for the ipod. There is a specific file structure on the ipod that is meant to streamline the listening experience. Instead of having ot read file names with long extensions, possibly none english characters, all of that information is stored in a database and the song files are give just a number.

      You can get yourself an Archos which you can just drop mp3s onto and play it back that way, but the battery life from my experience is shorter, its bulkier, and it still takes a while just to browse the disk for files. Also, the ipod has two processors, one for audio playback and one for the gui. So it makes sense that apple would make as simple streamlined file structure that the gui processor can feed to the audio playback (ie, user selects to play "Bob Marley - No Woman.mp3" and the gui system feeds /1234/456/32.mp3 to the audio processor).

      Its ingeniously simple: why make processor on the ipod built for effeciency have to do all this directory / database management (althou the 3g ones do this now) when you can get a desktop computer to do it in a snap.

      And i believe there are third party programs out there which you can mount on the ipods "data share" that will easily let you drag and drop files back and forth from the playable section of your ipod.

    4. Re:New Design: by Apaturia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just curious: did you even TRY iTunes?

    5. Re:New Design: by ischorr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er, the only manual I got with my G4 or G5 was a big, shiny, 12-page "How-to-use" document that described virtually nothing. Considering OS X's help system still stinks, users really don't have much in the way of good documentation for new systems. I'd have to disagree that "Apple's manually are usually very good", that's why the "Missing Manual" series has been such a success.

      The iPod's documentation was pretty sparse too, though I'd have to admit that it did cover nearly everything I'd want to know as a "normal" (non-hacking) end user...

    6. Re:New Design: by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are TONS of open source iPod file loaders. Part of the reason the iPod works so well is the file database, since people figured out the format within about a month of the initial iPod's launch I wouldn't be too worried about losing the ability to use your iPod.

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  2. Has anyone heard anything? by atheken · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Asside from the new exterior, what's changed on the interior? 60GB? Any new features, let the Rumor mill take hold.

    1. Re:Has anyone heard anything? by plj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hopefully larger battery! I don't have an iPod... but I wouldn't be surprised, if I one day decide to buy one. Still, the batteries of the current models seem to last only about some eight hours, which isn't really that much.

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  3. Price drop? by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully the sale of a new iPod will make the price of the older versions drop considerably. I really want one, but I think they currently are ridiculously overpriced. Especially here in the Old World. Is a 15Gb iPod for 100 euros too much to ask?

    1. Re:Price drop? by Rhone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I got the impression that by "overpriced" he really meant "more money than I can reasonably afford." It's not like he was making some thorough criticism of the iPod's cost/value ratio in comparison to other mp3 players or something.

    2. Re:Price drop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you take a look at the Apple quarterly earnings you will find that this is not true. Their profit is relatively small (something like 60 million on 2 billion sales or about 3%.) If they cut the price of their products in half (as you suggest) they would no longer make a 3% profit, they would make about a 47% loss.

      The margin on Apple products is said to be somewhere in the range of 20 to 30%. However, that money goes into R&D, advertising, and other business overhead. The 3% profit is what is left over after all of that. So, if they were to stop advertising, stop all R&D work, and fire as many employees as possible, they could sell the iPod for maybe 25% less. Somehow that doesn't seem like a valid option.

      Is there a way to reduce cost? Probably. They could invest R&D money into reducing cost but what this likely means is 1) design a custom ASIC that has the CPU, LCD drivers, USB/1394 interfaces, and *hard drive control* circuits all on a single chip and thereby 2) attach the hard drive heads, servo, and spindle motor directly to that custom chip. (In other words, eliminate the extra controller circuit board that normally comes as part of an "off the shelf" hard drive and truly make the hard drive part of the iPod custom circuitry.) There are certainly undesirable aspects of this approach - for example, it becomes much more difficult to increase the device storage capacity as you have essentially taken on the R&D that would normally be done by a hard drive manufacturer.

      I think it is much better to spend the R&D money on enhancing the device in other ways.

  4. One can only hope that it features Bluetooth by CrackedButter · · Score: 0, Insightful


    For starts you could sync small amounts of information with the iPod, contacts, address and such and plus it could drive bluetooth into more homes because it rides on the back of a more successful product. I already understand it doesn't have the bandwidth to transfer the mp3's fast enough, and its only the small information I would want it to transfer
    A better battery might be nice.
    Its also nice they havn't added colour or appeared to make it into some video ipod. The market is still young and the waters need testing more, glad to see Apple have kept things simple and as they alreayd are
    I'll be buying one as well if what i hope for holds true.

    1. Re:One can only hope that it features Bluetooth by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not a chance. Wireless technology would mean the death of battery life. Also, few people would be accepting of a separate technology to sync contancs and notes, especially at the cost of battery life. The addition is hardly needed, either. Most people don't sync from multiple computers so removing the "inconvenience" of having to place the iPod in the Dock - virtually no work - just isn't worth the additional price (or reduced profit) and confusion for the user.

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  5. Re:Haven't we had enough of these ipod stories ? by catwh0re · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think this article legitimately makes it to the front page.
    The reason for that is, slashdot is about technology, the iPod happens to be an example of technology that has become a growing cultural icon.
    When the three headlines for a huge publication are "9/11", "Iraq", and "iPod", with the "iPod" leading. It's almost surprising that slashdot doesn't have _more_ articles about it.

    Despite the lack of significance (it is, after all, simply a music player), there are many surrounding wider effects that have come from it, and this is where the publicity is deserved.

  6. Re:close up by catwh0re · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The thickness and power requirements of a colour screen make it a poor choice for a device that is designed to play music. What use is colour? Perhaps some minimal labelling or to flitter visualisations at me here and there?
    When you see people using their iPods, the behaviour is that the interface lets them choose music quickly, with little/or no need to look at the screen after this.

    A colour screen would be nothing more than an eyecandy waste.
    Reality is most of an iPod's life is to live in someone's pocket. Apple realise this, moving the buttons back to a previous arrangement where a user does not need to look at the iPod to press each button, which was a common UI issue with the former generation iPod.

  7. Re:Hold your horses... by FosterKanig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am so confused as to what you are talking about. Are you saying the story isn't true? Are you implying that someone hacked into Newsweek's site and posted 6 fake pages with pictures about the new iPod? Jackass.

  8. Re:Never going to buy one by Xenna · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree with your first two arguments.

    I got myself an iRiver H140 this week.

    It addresses your two arguments:

    - Normal USB harddisk that has actual MP3 files on it so you can easily hack up your own tools under any OS. You can also copy the tracks off it.
    - mp3, ogg, wma, asf support

    My main gripe is that it's interface just isn't very good. I can't stand the idea of someone putting up a millions-of-dollars production line to create excellent hardware and then put ill thought out software on it.

    If they'd hire me I'd make it two times better at the very least.

    Biggest problem: The shuffle option always shuffles in the same way. What idiot thought of that gem?

    IMHO 5000+ songs are just begging for a good shuffle!

    That and their marketing which sucks compared to Apple. If they get their act together on that as well as on the software front they could really start competing.

    And competition is good...

  9. A call for perspective by Jack+Auf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the scope of all things, is it of any real importance that Apple has yet again changed the buttons on the iPod? I own several Macs and an iPod 3G and I couldn't care less.

    What does that say about our society when a fairly simple re-design of a product garners such attention? Is it really important? Does it make your life better somehow?

    Just get over yourselves.

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    1. Re:A call for perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because we all know that more storage, longer battery life, new UI tweaks & features, and a new easier to use scroll wheel means nothing.

    2. Re:A call for perspective by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The cover story isn't actually about the new iPod; it's about the iPod phenomenon in general, and it's merely timed to coincide with the release of the latest model. The actual story doesn't even talk about the specs or features of the new model; it only mentions in one place buried deep in the article that there even are new models coming out, and it spends less than a sentence on that. The rest of the article discusses how Apple came to dominate this market, how it came up with the iPod in the first place, how the iPod has transcended the boundaries of a mere consumer product to become a fashion statement, way of life, etc., and so on. This article could just as easily have been written if there weren't new models coming out at all; the only things different would be a couple photos and one sentence.

  10. new iPod by schuster · · Score: 1, Insightful

    don't get me wrong- I think the iPod is great. That having been said, this is just a minor revision to the existing product. Does that really warrent steve jobs being on the cover of newsweek?

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    1. Re:new iPod by crawdad62 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think the article has anything to do with the "new" iPod. I'm guessing it has more to do with Apple's dominance in portable music players.

      It's the Apple faithful that's freaking about the iPod itself.

  11. Re:Deathwish by Matey-O · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mostly because the iPod didn't have a whole lotta butotns in the FIRST place. How many devices do you have with buttons EVERYWHERE? (Digital Cameras come to mind...with cellphones a close second.)

    The fact the ipod's hitting it's 4th (5th if you count the mini) generation without a major overhaul of the ui shows how well designed it was in the first place.

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  12. There are some details here. by mjj12 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Macobserver has a <a href="http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/07/<nobr>1<wbr></wbr></nobr> 8.1.shtml"> few technical specs</a> of the new model. Apple claim that batterly life is improved by 50%, but I will believe that when I see it. The 20Gb model has been moved to the $299 price point, and the 40Gb model has been moved to the $399 price point, with the 15Gb model being phased out. My guess is that we will see a 60Gb model at the $499 price point when Apple is able to source a good number of the 60Gb 1.8" drives from Toshiba, but that's just a guess in my part.

  13. Re:Steve's glasses, faked? by PenguinOpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking closely at the picture and the size of the lenses, I'll bet that Steve has a fake pair of those just for photos. There appears to be little or no refraction at the edges and, even with 1.7 super high index of refraction material, you would see something.

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  14. Re:Repeat of the iMac leak? by Anm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My gut tells me this is Jobs's way of getting back at Time. Newsweek is their major competitor anyway. And I don't know of any talks he's giving anytime soon; both Apple world wide developer's con and Macworld Boston both just finished.

    Anm

  15. Re:Never going to buy one by nuxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And with that you just explained why most people buy iPods. Not to flame you, but most people don't care about support for anything beyond MP3 and "whatever iTMS uses". Most people also don't care about how the files are stored on the disk. Just the fact that an iPod can be used as a FW/USB external disk is good enough, although most people probably don't care about this either.

    So, yes, once again it comes down to the interface. You can easily use it with one hand while driving, walking, whatever, and it's just fairly intuitive.

  16. Re:Out of the ordinary by Pope · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apparently you haven't been reading Nvidia's, ATI's or Intel's press releases :)

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  17. Re:Out of the ordinary by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple's marketing department is the best. Not many vendors can get their products announced to the target audience before they officially exist, but Apple keep making front page news on slashdot.

    I wonder how much it has to do with marketing in certain cases and instead with the shear enthusiasim of the the customers? For example are there AppleInsider.com or macrumors.com equivalents for other stuff such as Microsoft, Dell, HP, etc?

    Few companies in the IT world provide a line of products where people are willing to cut off their arm to find out what's coming next. Its like people expect Christmas from Apple.

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  18. yah sure if your rich by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Name the price of those 4gb cards plus a player that can even handle them (many are restricted to 512mb expansion) add the two together and see how many iPod's you can buy for that that still has a couple of times the space.

    Memorie devices do have longer battery lives as the moving HD sucks a lot of juice but for the fast majority of people that is not a problem. Use it a couple of hours a day, plug it into the recharger when home and you never run out. People have already been trained to empty their pockets and recharge with phones and pda's.

    Although I got to admit that I am currently looking for a cheap memory device since my current Nomad Zen battery life of about 8 hours means it often cuts out during work. Not good if you work in a factory and you have to spend the last hour of the night shift without music to keep you going.

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  19. Re:close up by timbloom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Another, probably most important, drawback to a color screen is that it is very difficult to read in daylight. Since many people use iPods outside, it would probably be very frustrating.

  20. Re:What about new features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You want scrolled lyrics? It's a portable music player, not a karaoke machine! It's meant to sit in your pocket or backpack, be controlled via the remote on the wire, and listened to. Why can some people simply not grok this?

    And as for album art, I believe that is already embedded into the track metadata, so if you've got album art in your songs in iTunes it's already in the copies of those files on the iPod. Embedded album art appeared to me to increase the size of the song file by quite a bit, so I don't use it-- I would rather use that space to store more songs.

    And a color screen would cut the battery life as well as increase the price-- there already enough people whining about the iPod's price and/or battery life, I don't want to have to hear more of them.

  21. Modded as interesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    That should be moderated as "insensitive" considering that bandwidth isn't free. Thank you for making us web developer's lives more difficult.

  22. Re:Photoshop by shyfabian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    indeed it may very well have been. the depth of field does seem a bit wonky and the ipod itself should have some light gradation considering the light source on Mr. Jobs. If nothing else I'm fairly sure that the ipod screen has been enchanced using photoshop, as is the style of the time.

  23. Re:What about accessories? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And the 3G iPod makes your 2G iPod inferior, how? It still solves the problem you bought it to solve.

    This is the computer industry. Get used to seeing betterfastercheaper weeks after you make a purchase. As it was in the beginning, it now and ever shall be.

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  24. Re:Still no radio?!? by Nexx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no radio because Apple wants to sell the same box internationally.

    Personally, I don't listen to radio, so it's not a big loss to me.

  25. Re:Still no radio?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Imagine a world where not every country used the same frequencies for the radio, scary isn't it?