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New iPod Design Pictures Leak
Brian Hoyt writes "Apple's new iPod design will be announced Monday. A cover picture depicting the new design from Newsweek has been discovered early. MacRumors broke the story - MacRumors and more specifically the cover itself - NewsWeek"
the site is down, but the article has all the new features http://dogmatic.typepad.com/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5457434/site/newsweek/
if it ever comes back up...
it looks nice, cheaper longer battery etc. no 60 gig promised by toshiba though
i'm sure this is going to flood someone badly, but here is a close up http://www.spymac.com/upload/gallery/f_0/user_117/ medium/upload_200466.jpg
I had a gen 3 iPod. I was very pleased with it, but the 10GB I had was somewhat limiting, considering that my music is at a mere 12-14GB in the last 3 years. So I sold mine, which was very scratched, and I'm now waiting for the new 20GB model. What I really like, is the mini's jog dial/key combo. It works REALLY well, I've tried it first-hand and I could really say that it's the only thing I would really want the gen 3 iPod to have.
Highlights:
Speculations:
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5457434/site/newsweek
disappointing....
Actually, Looks like Macteens beat them.
The sensible (and arguably the best) method of putting tracks on it is iTunes, even when music match for the PC was responsible for this, it too did a fine job. iTunes is available for Windows & Mac, linux programmers have also created similar music syncing software.
To address your format concerns, the iPod plays AIFF, WAV, MP3, Audiobooks and AAC. The first three of those are DRM free. Additionally the rights management on AAC is hardly limiting, the rights are static and unable to be changed by a 3rd party over time.
The price argument is negotiable, with 3Million sales, it couldn't be too limiting a price.
I read about it in the manual. The manual wasn't massive - just a little 16-small-page leaflet.
Thats where you pull that odd shiny device back out of the box and connect it between the ipod and the headphones, the remote.
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That eight hours is only for perfect use and just like birth control perfect use is rarely what you end up with.
In reality the iPod (and I'm talking about the 2G here) tends to last around 4-6 hours depending on use. I personally keep mine on shuffle and skip through songs at a rate of perhaps one skip for every 5 songs or so. This gives me about this range of total battery power. This is all because the only way it gets 8 hours out of the battery is by spinning the hard drive up as little as possible and instead only feeding data into the cache every 20 minutes or so. Thus the often erroneous claim of 20 minutes of skip protection, in particular if the hard drive is set to spin again there is absolutely no skip protection in my experience. Anything you do to make the hard drive spin up (e.g. skip songs, thus running through the buffer faster, randomize songs, etc.) will lower your listening time.
Don't forget that it constantly loses power (albeit in a low-power sleep state) no matter what you do as there is no way to turn it off. I doubt this is ever a significant factor although you'll probably find it dead or close after a week or so without charging.
Overall though the battery is, I've found, good enough that if you start fully charged in the morning you can carry it around all day without incident.
AAC is also DRM-free when you rip your own CDs (or convert from another file, etc). Only iTMS-files have DRM.
Standard Apple fan behavior. We tend to go nuts over any minor change (and most changes to Apple products *are* very minor over the life of a particular model). And why not? Why mess with perfection? By definition, any change (minor or not), is an improvement on perfection... logically impossible, but always big news.
How appropriate. You fight like a cow.
Apple is not likely to drop the price of the current iPod. Apple will most likely no longer be shipping the current generation of iPods to resellers after monday. As 3rd party resellers are able to make almost no money on the iPod as is because of Apple's price fixing, you are not likely to see a decrease in price. Apple is however running an educational rebate of $200 to liquidate the current stock of iPods. http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/rhs_cramj am.html
Its a pretty nice deal for the $269 educational priced 15 gig.
A lot of people will like the fact that it 100 dollars less. Some will like the 50% improvement in battery life. Others will dig the fact that you can have multiple on the go playlists. A couple will like the menu redesign. And a handful will like that you can speed up or slow down audio books, with no pitch distortion.
While I appreciate your concern and I've only used a mini at the store, there is no way you can press the click wheel accidentally.
You have to apply quite a bit of pressure. It's quite a stiff, tactile click.
Those are Kazuo Kawasaki frames - they are great, but mine cost about $600 with prescription lenses.
Surely running on shuffle can't use that much more power - all the iPod has to do is preselect the random songs, read them into cache and then spin down. It might need a bit more seeking, but that can't use that much power compared to spinning the disk.
It's not like the iPod doesn't know what song it's going to randomly play next.
It's not 100 dollars less. They're dropping the 15 gig model, making the entry level cost still $300.
But I suspect he's on the cover on Newsweek because of the success of the business model, and the great quarterly results the company turned it last week. Jobs and Apple's business model are the real story, not an evolutionary improvement to the design of the white iPod.
It's just you. Thumbs are soft, they wrap around leading edges of things you're holding, if they are positioned on the edge. You're also assuming the cables are perfectly round, but these things get pinched and twisted all the time.
I think it's hilarious that you think they put the iPod in the picture, but didn't just add the whole hand. You think they just have some recent stock pics of Steve Jobs holding his hand like that?
If you were talking about the iTunes music store, you might have a point. As it is your post doesn't make any sense.
The iPod does NOT require DRM, I don't know where you got that idea. You can play your music in multiple formats, the most widely used being MP3. It also plays DRMed music from the music store, if you choose to use that.
If you want to get the music off it again, there are several apple scripts floating around to do it. The files are only hidden after all.
True 4GB CF cards with actual flash mamory and no moving parts costs >$1000.
No, the drive inside is a hard drive (with aforementioned moving parts). You're possibly thinking of the Microdrive Iomega sold (and I think were made by IBM) which, just like this, were a standard (though small) spinning platter, mounted and built in such a way as to connect to the CF format. Not the same thing.
Kind of like those horribly expensive Ram Drive things are just large sticks of ram bunged into a format that means they can be attached like a hard drive. That doesn't MAKE them a hard drive. It's the same thing. Well... the exact opposite technically.
*note: may be utterly wrong.
It isnt just about a minor revision, it's a mix of things such as Apple's recent sale of 100,000,000 songs, the success of the ipod in general and the release of the new iPod...
Have you actually *tried* dropping them? iBooks look like they would break if you dropped them one inch, but mine never fussed a single time when I dropped it from my desk (about 5 feet) or my bed (about 3 feet).
Go to colorwarepc.com and have them paint it for you.
OR
you could just get a mini - I would imagine the colors will be mixed up a little bit in it's next generation.
OR
You could get a black exoskin for it.
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
It's a pyramid scheme. They know that 99% of people will get a few friends to sign up, but not enough to earn an iPod. There are also lots of "mysterious reasons" why people get their order cancelled.
Engadget did a little investigative reporting about freeipod.com.
For more information, click here.
Post, not the Times! It was the New York Post that got the VP selection wrong.
It costs $29-$49 to replace
More here and here.
GPL Deconstructed
The hoopla is from several things:
:)
UI improvement
Interface improvement
50% more battery life
$100 less
And it isn't a 'modernized walkman', it's a miniaturized/portable 600 disc CD changer
GPL Deconstructed
Yup, Steveo probably has some ultra expensive frames, but go to your local eyeglass shop with a picture of them, and they'll have certainly seen them. Even if they don't sell the name brand, there are plenty of knock offs available. I have a pair that I got last fall. Cost around $300, but I have those modern auto-darkening lenses, some extra anti-glare coating, and other stuff like that. Also, I've been in glasses since six, like you. Glasses are an every minute of every day thing for me. Since glasses should about two years or so, what's fifty cents per day? Nothing. Foregoing the special lens coatings and infusions, I think it would have been about $150 or so for a pair.
The greatest benefit of the frames is that they are incredibly light. No, they aren't going to stop a hammer blow like some glasses I've had before, but that's what safety goggles are for:)
Another poster mentioned how they might be fake. Maybe. But these are also very thin lenses, even with high strength prescriptions. Toss in the anti-glare, and there is little refraction. Throw in some good camera work, and you should have results like that magazine cover.
Finally, there is one problem: the legs are not super stiff, so it is hard to put them on while wearing a full face helmet on a motorcycle. The legs want to bend around instead of going straight into place. A little practice though, and I figured out the technique.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
From what I've seen, they're really tough on "referal fraud," that is, when you try to sign up under yourself to get your referals done quicker. Everyone on this board who's done it seems to have been caught, and even a few people who just had similar names as their referals (i.e. Sr/Jr).
Anyway, the best way to do this is sign up for ancestry.com or AOL, then cancel the service during the free trial. For ancestry.com, you have to call an 800#, and they may make you call twice if you aren't insistant, but it's not hard. It does seem like a pyramid scheme, though, so beware (even though it seems like the site has been up a couple of month).
Once you get your five referals to complete their offers, they check your info, which takes a week or so, then they let you order your ipod. You can either get a 15 gb, which ships in a week or so, or a mini, which takes an extra month. Be careful, though, because I have heard a personal report from someone claming that right after they signed up, someone used their credit card number to buy some expensive plane tickets, but I think the two are unrelated.
The link to the forum I posted above has a "conga line" going for people who to refer each other and try to organize the process a bit. I've been siting at two completed for about a week, though, so I'll be a link whore, too.
Does it still use the dock?
Almost certainly - now that 3rd-party products (like the BMW connector and Dension ICELink) are using that dock connector, Apple will most likely stick with it for some time-- and I believe it was designed with that in mind.
Does is still use the same remote connector?
Dunno, but probably.
Will there be a "line in" dock?
Doubtful, since the article makes no mention of built-in recording features. You still need a third-party accessory to record, so it would be up to one of those devices to allow line-in.
Is the screen size the same?
The screen size looks the same. The article says the 4G is a bit thinner, but that's apparently it in terms of form factor changes.
Will the 3g iPod be upgradeable to some of the new features?
Wouldn't surprise me at all, it certainly looks feasible. We'll probably get an iPod Firmware Update out of it to add some new features-- I'd guess that the 3G will probably get firmware revision 2.5, and the 4G's firmware will be called 3.0.
If the powersavings is mostly done in software, will 3g iPods get more life with a firmware upgrade?
It's certainly possible, and as a 3G owner, I'd love to see improved battery life in my exisiting unit though I have only run out of juice once in the year that I've had mine.
~Philly
Just to let everyone know, the Rio Karma's still alive and kickin', and so is the iRiver H series. Both play Ogg Vorbis files quite well (and as an owner of the former, I'm incredibly pleased with my purchase). IMHO, the Rio Karma's the closest so far towards a true ipod competitor (USB2/Ethernet, 20GB, easy menu system, easy syncing, MP3/OGG/WMA/FLAC), with the notable exception of USB2 not working on mac or linux yet (use the dock's ethernet connection to sync up).
As an aside, an engineer from Rio (name changed in the article) posted his unofficial postulations on why the iPod has yet to materialize with Ogg support to Gizmodo. Essentially, his answer is that the processor originally used in the iPods just aren't powerful enough for it. There's also a rebuttal from a xiph.org guy, so I suspect the answer lies somewhere in the middle. In any case, if the 4g ipods use the same processor as the mini (looking likely) then Ogg support just might be coming yet, though Apple still may not do it for the same political reasons as before (mp3 good enough, aac just the same or better, blah blah blah)
loops and hoops? Are you joking?
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Test one:
have a cd, have an iPod:
1) put cd in tray, close tray.
2) let iTunes find CDDB data, then click import, let import happen.
3) plug-in iPod.
( 3)a) let iTunes work its magic, no user assistance required
4) uplug ipod.
Which one of these steps qualify as a hoop or a loop? Pray tell me.
Test two:
have mp3 in a folder on HD (or on a separate disk, if you friend just plugged in his USB disk-on-key to give you -illegally?
1) locate mp3 files
2) drag and drop these to iTunes window
(which lets iTunes add them to its reference library, and if you set preferences so, copy them to its library folder too: better actually, if they are on removable media)
3) plug in iPod
( 3)a) let iTunes work its magic )
4) un-plug iPod
Now, if you have an issue with that, I might have to lower my opinion on some of
Some comments before flame arises:
* If your ipod capacity is inferior to the volume of your music files, you will have to tweak iTunes magic, obviously.
i.e.
1) either have it let you manually put music on said iPod, up to its capacity
=> annoying after a while... but no worse than managing files and mp3 player as a removable media (because you still have gained bonus as music is also available for iTunes to play and organise)
2) or: create manual playlists, and only these will be set to update on ipod.
- you then have to be sure you drag and drop the mp3 files to the playlist, not just iTunes library (step 2 is still one step, just asks you to be a bit more attentive)
=> slightly less annoying, but you have to remember to drag music to the playlist (and not to general library). Still, next time ipod is plugged in, magic works. Only downfall? don't overload the playlist and exceed iPod capacity. Or buy a bigger one
3) or: create SMART playlists (on top of your manual fixed ones):
for example, a playlist that tells iTunes that it will be made of the 100 latest new songs.
=> any new songs added to iTunes (step 2) will be copied to iPod (step 3a)
* if you don't like iTunes for your mp3 (matter of taste, I let you off on this one), you might not like iPod either; so end of story.
* Now for my personal opinion (above were just plain verifiable FACTS )
The combination of iTunes+iPod gives you a solution where YOU have
- ease of use (amazing music playing experience, brainless management of songs, easy and fast synch, etc)
-, control (smart playlists, various settings to be found in prefs, like "import in XXX format, at XXX rate", or "let me / let iTunes organise my music library folders" and more)
- elegance in the whole approach, and respect for the user (you easily learn to use it, and can do tons with it -burn audio / mp3 cds, organise party playlists, edit all MP3 tags of songs, one or many at once, add cover art, etc etc. AND it has been designed for intelligent people by intelligent people)
Where were the loops and hoops again?
Like any tool, it just requires to know its logic and how it works. But unlike most tools, this one is bloody simple.
I reckon that iTunes is one of the simplest and most useful out there, and is taking a huge place in my life, by being so unobstrusice and useful...
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I lie all the time, including now
- Click wheel (like the iPod Mini)
- A millimeter thinner
- More efficient Menus
- Multiple on-the-go playlists
- Listen to audiobooks slower or 25 percent faster without affecting pitch
- Longer play - 12 hours of battery life due to more power conservation
- Lower price: 40GB - $399, 20GB $299 (no 15 gig model now)
- Still white
Sig Nature
Normally I use my iPod without really looking at it: while driving (car or bicycle) or without getting it out of my coat pocket (to avoid getting too much attention of thugs).
There's an iPod Jacket specially designed with controls on the sleeve, so you don't have to pull it out of your jacket to access the controls. And if you use it while driving, well then you can get an Alpine system or a BMW that works with it! Ofcourse, with the money you'd be spending, you could simply hire a live band to follow you around.
Got my iBook July 2002. It's a 12 inch 700 MHz Combo drive model (G3). The hard drive, a Toshiba MK2018GAS, died April this year. But it's not like I ever treated my laptop well - I wanted a machine I could use *anywhere* and that's exactly what I did. So yes, I *did* carry it around with the drive spinning. And I suppose that eventually caused the drive's quality to deteriorate (it first had lots of problems writing and reading data; then it would start getting so far that it couldn't find all of the kernel on the drive any more, and that's when I realized booting from an emergency Linux CD might be a good idea to do backups.)
Replaced it upon others' advice with a Hitachi HTS548060M9AT00 (i.e. a Travel Star with 60 GB). Note that you lose any kind of warranty by replacing a hard drive, and that it's everything but easy.
Also upped RAM, first to 384 Megs, then to 640 Megs. It makes a huge difference. You don't want to use OS X with anything less than 384 Megs, but it won't be a *joy* with anything less than 512 Megs. Everyone will tell you that.
The hardware itself is incredible. Durable, lightweight, and really powerful enough for everyday work (I'm a programming and networking guy), watching DVDs, burning, etc. Of course, it goes without saying that Mac OS X is one of the best modern operating systems out there. As long as you're willing to deal with *slightly* less hardware and software compatibility (and even that seems to keep getting better) than you'd have on x86 machines, you're good to go. As an example, I just bought a Canon PowerShot A80 yesterday (great product I might add). It said on the backside that it would come with Mac OS X drivers. But up to now, I never used those. I plugged the thing in via USB and instantly, through Apple's ImageCapture software, had access to 1) downloading pictures, 2) sharing camera access over the web - thusly also to Windows and Linux PCs (ImageCapture comes with a built-in web server), 3) taking photos from the Mac, either manually or even in periodic intervals (again, this feature can be accessed from other machines through the network) and simple operations like rotating the images. Note again that this worked without *any* configuration - neither on the camera nor on the iBook - and without any glitches. Now, if I wanted advanced functionality such as Canon's photo stitching tool, I would of course have to install that. But the point is, if someone were to bring his camera over and it supports standards like PTP, I'm ready to go to use it. (My experience with using the Canon on Windows XP has been *muchly* different.)
(I should maybe note that the iBook does not come with PCMCIA, decreasing upgradeability. You can, of course, get lots of FireWire devices for external hard drives or TV tuners and whatnot, but Gigabit Ethernet or FireWire 800 will never be options for you.)
If there's anything else you want to know, you may want to register at applenova.com; they have quite a few experienced people there (it's obviously a "fan" board though, but that doesn't mean the people aren't critical of Apple).
Hope that helps.
Bullshit. It's around 350 See for example Apple Spain
As for salaries, maybe in Greece or Poland.
How many Euros? Where in Yurup are you? The following (German) prices are from www.mac-kauf.de and all include shipping:
15Gb iPod is 329 EUR from amazon.de
20Gb iPod is 419 from amazon (417 from novodrom)
40GB iPod is 519 at amazon, can get it for 500 from other shops.
iPod mini is 249 EUR at amazon and a few other stores.
Yeah, Apple stuff is a bit more expensive here than in the USA (c'mon Steve, drop the prices on the iTMS -- 1,20USD per song is a bit rich), but nowhere near the 450 EUR for the 15Gb iPod you were quoting.
Go grab a copy of Anapod Explorer from http://www.redchairsoftware.com/. If you value drag and drop functionality (and among other things, using your iPod for Shoutcast streaming) that much you can pay Red Chair the $25 they're asking for their awesome software. I bought Dudebox for my Dell DJ, its a great product.
iTunes doesn't DRM your existing mp3 collection, its just as free as anything else. It just happens to be not so great on Windows cause it's not integrated so well with everything else as it is on the Mac.
Oh yeah, anyone wanna buy a Dell DJ?
You can get a new 2000mAh battery for that model if you want to drop $90 on it.
Various iPod batteries
I may pick one up myself for this 2G i just got from my sister (first ipod owner too, im such a nerd but I can't afford to buy one myself).
What does that say about our society when a fairly simple re-design of a product garners such attention? Is it really important? Does it make your life better somehow?
If you'd actually bothered to read the article, you'd have noted that the Newsweek article is about the popularity of all the iPods in society, not just this latest incarnation. Is that news? Well, yes; the iPod is a cultural phenomenon, and it furthermore is changing the way that an extremely influential medium (music) is affecting society. You might poo poo this with an egalitarian snobbery, but it's a worthwhile news trend that Newsweek is rightfully trying to get a pulse on.
As for what it says about our society, mmm...it says to me that our society is interested in commercial products, just like every other society in the world. Perhaps you didn't notice?
Yeah you know those MP3 Decoder Chips you can't seem to find? Try looking in your DVD player that supports MP3 on the fly.
DVD Player Market is separate from the portable MP3 player market and millions upon millions of MP3 Decoder chips are in standard DVD home entertainment units.
HVAC Systems for commerical and home use aren't in the same market as automobile A/C units but you get the point.
They are normal lithium ion batteries, but the further you run down a lithium ion battery before recharging the fewer recharge cycles you will get out of them. The circuitry protects against gross problems like too fast charging/discharging, it doesn't protect against normal usage patterns.
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It just means charge it up when you can rather than running it to empty before recharge.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
That's what the handy little switch on top labelled "Hold" is for, so that very thing doesn't happen. :)
You read wrong. Apple's market share on portable players is based on units sold. Review the keynote at the WWDC for confirmation.
seSales, Point of Sale software for OS X.
The iRiver series (Hxxx) with similar functionality have radio (FM only though), and also an option to select your country of residence in order to adjust radio settings appropriatelly (Europe / Japan / USA)
Correct. I was at the WWDC keynote and specifically remember Jobs saying "iPod has X% of the market measured in units... even more when measured in revenue." OK, OK, so I forget the exact percentage, but it was well over 50 (70%?) and I got a good chuckle out of that at the time--IOW, "we have most of the market *and* we've got higher margins than everyone else."
watch the keynote for the exact figures & quote.
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