If your regularly do an emerge -uD world then your system is pretty much up to date.
-- For all intensive porpoises your a bunch of rediculous loosers
Platform curiosity
by
wazzzup
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· Score: 4, Insightful
I'm curious, why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind when it would seem that HPPA and SPARC are likely a smaller installed base?
Is it that there are relatively few of the PPC base demand a Linux distribution when compared to what are mostly server-class CPU's and more likely to be running a Linux distro?
Just wondering out loud.
Re:Platform curiosity
by
vrai
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· Score: 4, Interesting
I run Solaris on the desktop at home (Solaris 9 with Blackbox and the KDE apps) and it was a breeze to get running. Mainly thanks to these guys, who have created an apt-get style system for Solaris.
So to install SSH I just typed "sudo pkg-get install openssh" and off it went. It handles dependencies so installing KDE would automatically download and install Qt. Much nicer than the default Sun packages.
The gentoo guys (and girls) have released 2004.2 for the x86, AMD64, HPPA, and SPARC. You can read the information page here or go straight to the mirrors."
Ooh! show me these Linux-loving females!
posted with utmost respect for female/.'ers
-- Dealing with lawyers would be a lot less tedious if they all looked like Casey Novak.
just take a look at the mirrors.. if the mirrors are already updated theirs no slashdotting is going to do anything to them.
for two reasons, first there's quite a big list of them and the second reason is that there's couple of sites on the list that could probably take the beating all by themselfs.
-- world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
It does matter...
by
dpilot
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· Score: 4, Informative
There are some configuration-type things that don't get updated by an 'emerge -uD world'. Sure, all of your packages are kept up to date, but for instance, Gentoo has moved from XFree86 to X.org. That change won't be made until you move from 1.4 to 2004.x. I once saw directions on how to make the switch, but lost track before I could do anything about it. So for the moment, I'm '-uD world' like you.
-- The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Re:It does matter...
by
Dreadlord
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· Score: 5, Informative
They were originally crafted when Xfree was deprecated on AMD64, but they apply to all architectures, and they're designed to give you a minimum of downtime. (And provide a just in case backup as well.)
Re:It does matter...
by
deepstephen
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· Score: 4, Informative
There are some configuration-type things that don't get updated by an 'emerge -uD world'. Sure, all of your packages are kept up to date, but for instance, Gentoo has moved from XFree86 to X.org. That change won't be made until you move from 1.4 to 2004.x. I once saw directions on how to make the switch, but lost track before I could do anything about it.
I believe you are referring to the Gentoo Upgrading Guide. It tells you how to point your/etc/make.profile to the 2004.2 version, which indeed uses X.org instead of XFree86 by default.
-- Uttering logically derived and empirically supported truths to the disciples of the orthodox establishment.
Does it really matter? You always get latest!
by
xiando
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· Score: 5, Informative
The strenght of Gentoo Linux
is that it does not really matter what version you are using. emerge sync and emerge -u world, wait a while and there: you are running the latest version. The install has not changed much, so this actually means nothing to us
Gentoo
users. You get the latest version whatever Live CD you use to install, only the pre-buildt GRP packages are different on new releases.
This is why you should try Gentoo today, it is excellent for both servers and desktops. Desktop users can choose to use the latest ("masked"), bleeding edge versions, while older stable packages should be preferred for production environments.
The Gentoo Portage tree has more packages in it's database than any other Linux distribution. The freedom to choose.
There is also a sweet front-end for Gentoo's portage called
porthole. It allows you to search through the package database from a GUI GTK interface. You can browse the portage database online to find out how much software is available without installing Gentoo.
Hopefully this fixed the bugs in 2004.1
by
Stevyn
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· Score: 4, Interesting
I've had better luck with 2004.0 than 2004.1. In fact, I couldn't get 2004.1 to even boot the 2.6 kernel on the live CD. But of course the beauty of gentoo is that it doesn't matter since you can always update your system at any time.
I recommend people do a stage 3 and install the binary packages if you're not sure of what optimizations. Then play around with cfflags and use flags and then recompile everything later on. Doing a stage 1 as a beginner is a waste of time because later on you'll find some important use flag you missed that could give you some performance. Of course, if you know what you're doing, then go for a stage 1 if you have the time. It took me about 24 hours to go from stage 3 to a kde environment.
The reason I recommend gentoo to people, however, is portage. Anyone on mandrake, fedora, or suse have at one time or another had to deal with RPM hell. Portage solves all that. And while people complain how it takes so long, it's not time spent hunting for packages and tarballs like if you want to install a package that one of those above mentioned distros does not have yet. So for example, before you go to sleep, you type "emerge mozilla-firefox" and when you wake up, you have firefox and it took all of two seconds on your part. It won't take all night of course, I'm just using that example to show how while it takes longer to compile packages, it takes just two seconds of your time.
Re:Hopefully this fixed the bugs in 2004.1
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polyp2000
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· Score: 4, Interesting
This is actually an interesting point.. One of the benefits of gentoo is the optimisation for ones hardware. If you have a fast machine the install-compile process is not so bad providing you dont cock anything up along the way. Once you have a gentoo up and running updates and installing packages with such unprecidented ease makes the initial effort well worth the while. Quite often there are the snyde remarks about waiting for stuff to compile. In all honesty once you have a gentoo box up and running compiling the odd thing from time to time is rarely an inconvenience.
I slightly drifted from the parent there but what i was going to suggest is this. There must be many many people with systems compiled for a specific architecture. eg My box is compiled and optimised for a Dual Athlon MP ; It would be quite nice if there way a way i could "dump" my system somewhere where others with similar architecture could take advantage of the optimised, but pre-compiled system. Over time, i'd envisage a library of "Gentoo's" specifically built for different systems. Do people think that this is a viable idea, and how might it be done ?
Nick...
-- Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
How much compiling could you be doing? I run gentoo as well and after the initial install-all-of-my-programs, I complile maybe once a week for about 5 minutes to update my world. And the time you spend compiling gets made up in Gentoo's speed.
Also what do you mean by "Wouldn't most computers be too busy compiling to actually be able to slashdot anything?" The new gentoo version only applies to people that dont have gentoo yet. People that already have gentoo are constantly up-to-date.
-- Whoever dies with the most toys wins.
Gentoo topic icon?
by
Chuck+Bucket
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· Score: 4, Interesting
When do we get a Gentoo topic icon on Slashdot? Look at all of the out of date icons that are out there, but after 2 years we still don't have a Gentoo one?
Sorry, but this has irked me for some time, especially since I think the Gentoo icon is one of the classiest, along with the Debian icon./C/B -help
j/k if my wife reads this she'll kill me... please don't tell her... really!
Re:This is great and all but...
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ScottGant
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· Score: 4, Informative
As I said before, the concept of a fluid distro are lost on some people.
I installed Gentoo about a year ago and have never downloaded a new "version" as I keep up with my emerge on a regular basis.
The only thing I can figure is that they are installing on fresh systems or want a live CD. Then it would make sense. But from the people I've talked to, they don't realize they already have the latest version if they "emerge sync && emerge -uDv world"
--
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
If your regularly do an emerge -uD world then your system is pretty much up to date.
For all intensive porpoises your a bunch of rediculous loosers
I'm curious, why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind when it would seem that HPPA and SPARC are likely a smaller installed base?
Is it that there are relatively few of the PPC base demand a Linux distribution when compared to what are mostly server-class CPU's and more likely to be running a Linux distro?
Just wondering out loud.
The gentoo guys (and girls) have released 2004.2 for the x86, AMD64, HPPA, and SPARC. You can read the information page here or go straight to the mirrors."
/.'ers
Ooh! show me these Linux-loving females!
posted with utmost respect for female
Dealing with lawyers would be a lot less tedious if they all looked like Casey Novak.
now you can get most of the software in binary form too (using emerge).
Not that it matters, gentoo bashers will say anything to sound smart.
just take a look at the mirrors.. if the mirrors are already updated theirs no slashdotting is going to do anything to them.
for two reasons, first there's quite a big list of them and the second reason is that there's couple of sites on the list that could probably take the beating all by themselfs.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
There are some configuration-type things that don't get updated by an 'emerge -uD world'. Sure, all of your packages are kept up to date, but for instance, Gentoo has moved from XFree86 to X.org. That change won't be made until you move from 1.4 to 2004.x. I once saw directions on how to make the switch, but lost track before I could do anything about it. So for the moment, I'm '-uD world' like you.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
The strenght of Gentoo Linux is that it does not really matter what version you are using. emerge sync and emerge -u world, wait a while and there: you are running the latest version. The install has not changed much, so this actually means nothing to us Gentoo users. You get the latest version whatever Live CD you use to install, only the pre-buildt GRP packages are different on new releases.
..try Gentoo today! It's excellent.
This is why you should try Gentoo today, it is excellent for both servers and desktops. Desktop users can choose to use the latest ("masked"), bleeding edge versions, while older stable packages should be preferred for production environments.
The Gentoo Portage tree has more packages in it's database than any other Linux distribution. The freedom to choose.
There is also a sweet front-end for Gentoo's portage called porthole. It allows you to search through the package database from a GUI GTK interface. You can browse the portage database online to find out how much software is available without installing Gentoo.
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation
Grrr!!! My post screwed up. Ignore the original and try this:
Download Torrents
...My ex-boyfriend was a big gentoo-lover, in fact he was a developer for it or something...
...I would love to be able to use linux more
...I can't make it burn CDs or sync with my ipod...
...I'm catholic and from Scotland...
Female: Check!
Possibly attracted to geeks: Check!!
Linux fan: Check!!!
Owns cool gadgets: Check!!!!
%^$Dependency problem^^$"£CORE DUMP...STOPPED...
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
I've had better luck with 2004.0 than 2004.1. In fact, I couldn't get 2004.1 to even boot the 2.6 kernel on the live CD. But of course the beauty of gentoo is that it doesn't matter since you can always update your system at any time.
I recommend people do a stage 3 and install the binary packages if you're not sure of what optimizations. Then play around with cfflags and use flags and then recompile everything later on. Doing a stage 1 as a beginner is a waste of time because later on you'll find some important use flag you missed that could give you some performance. Of course, if you know what you're doing, then go for a stage 1 if you have the time. It took me about 24 hours to go from stage 3 to a kde environment.
The reason I recommend gentoo to people, however, is portage. Anyone on mandrake, fedora, or suse have at one time or another had to deal with RPM hell. Portage solves all that. And while people complain how it takes so long, it's not time spent hunting for packages and tarballs like if you want to install a package that one of those above mentioned distros does not have yet. So for example, before you go to sleep, you type "emerge mozilla-firefox" and when you wake up, you have firefox and it took all of two seconds on your part. It won't take all night of course, I'm just using that example to show how while it takes longer to compile packages, it takes just two seconds of your time.
How much compiling could you be doing? I run gentoo as well and after the initial install-all-of-my-programs, I complile maybe once a week for about 5 minutes to update my world. And the time you spend compiling gets made up in Gentoo's speed. Also what do you mean by "Wouldn't most computers be too busy compiling to actually be able to slashdot anything?" The new gentoo version only applies to people that dont have gentoo yet. People that already have gentoo are constantly up-to-date.
Whoever dies with the most toys wins.
When do we get a Gentoo topic icon on Slashdot? Look at all of the out of date icons that are out there, but after 2 years we still don't have a Gentoo one?
/C/B -help
Sorry, but this has irked me for some time, especially since I think the Gentoo icon is one of the classiest, along with the Debian icon.
free ipod and free gmail!
..and together we can emerge some love.
j/k if my wife reads this she'll kill me... please don't tell her... really!
As I said before, the concept of a fluid distro are lost on some people.
I installed Gentoo about a year ago and have never downloaded a new "version" as I keep up with my emerge on a regular basis.
The only thing I can figure is that they are installing on fresh systems or want a live CD. Then it would make sense. But from the people I've talked to, they don't realize they already have the latest version if they "emerge sync && emerge -uDv world"
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.