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Don't Nurse Old Hardware - Emulate It

gManZboy writes "Bob Supnik, former team lead for DEC's VAX microprossesor, has an article up on Queue about his Computer History Simulation Project and how emulating old servers may be a better way to keep them running that servicing the physical machines. So how many PDP-11's can you run on a Pentium 4 anyhow?"

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  1. or how many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    pentium IV's can you emulate on a PowerPC?

    1. Re:or how many by CarrionBird · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ehh about .75

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  2. I disagree by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    emulating old servers may be a better way to keep them running that servicing the physical machines.

    I disagree. It's not the same thing.

    -- Signed: your friendly PDP-11 system operator downstairs, 3 years from retirement.

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    1. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Totally agreed --

      How can you emulate the experience of getting a maintenance notice
      in the mail from DEC that included a software patch on DECtape and
      explicit instructions on how to patch the hardware via wire-wrap?

      Or getting out the oscilloscope to set the baudrate on your PDP-11/05? And then
      booting said 11/05 by
      1) entering a program in octal via the front panel that is just
      good enough to read a bootstrapper from paper tape,
      2) jumping to the boostrapper from the front panel thus
      3) reading a second boostrapper from paper tape
      which in turn has a boostrapper to read from disk,
      4) which in turn finally gets around to reading the bootblock
      5) which might actually know something about booting RTS from that RK05 or RL10 or what-have-you.

  3. It depends... by gschwim · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...on how many bugs your emulating under your Windows 2004 Emulator Edition.

  4. Re:A guess by doublem · · Score: 3, Funny


    It's called Wintux

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  5. Re:More important question: by proj_2501 · · Score: 4, Funny

    fold the disk a couple times. duh!

  6. Re:none. by TWX · · Score: 4, Funny

    "pdp-11 is much heavier than you think."

    Not to anyone who's ever tried to pick one up!

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  7. Re:Good idea... but... by MajorDick · · Score: 3, Funny

    5.25 ????
    Damm are you young, when someone says 5.25 disks I dont even think too old.
    Bring on the 8 Inchers, now those were the days they also fly great, late Friday afternoon we would all let loose by flying them around like frisbees, all fun and games till someone get a corner in the eye.

  8. You might be a vax geek if... by schnits0r · · Score: 5, Funny

    TOP TEN SIGNS THAT YOU'RE A VAX GEEK

    Key traits identifying individuals tendencies towards abnormal preoccupation with VAX computer systems

    9. When talking about building software you make reference to
    compilation times in weeks and days instead of minutes and seconds.

    8. You stopped purchasing new furniture when you realized that
    your computers work just as well.

    7. Your electricity bill is more than your monthly rent payment.

    6. You've been hospitalized with muscle strain injuries after
    performing some routine hardware maintenance on your computer.

    5. You don't have an SO, but it's okay because your computer keeps
    you warm at night.

    4. While doing laundry, you occassionaly have a mental lapse and try to
    wash your socks and underwear in your 11/750.

    3. Friends who visit you want to know why there are old-time movie reels
    stuck on your refridgerator(s).

    2. Your house is pleasantly warm in the dead of winter, even with the air
    conditioning turned all the way up.

    1. The lights in your home dim or flicker when you reboot.

    0. It doesn't matter to you if someone else's computer is faster because
    you know your system could smash theirs flat if it fell over on it.

  9. Nice idea, but good luck by garver · · Score: 2, Funny

    Regression testing. Emulation's nice, but it ain't the same as the original hardware. Which means, people will need to regression test. Trick is, the people that know what that old PDP-ll is actually doing retired a long time ago. So who's going to write the test cases?

  10. SIMH URL by Gropo · · Score: 2, Funny
    SIMH Website.

    Been wanting to buy an old 11/780 shell for a while. Not for a bar, but to mount both my Mac and Gaming PC innards in. This'd be a real trip to run as an emulator during parties. Now to interface the VT-120... Hack the shell I suppose. Run everything USB. >:D

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  11. Changing WOW factor. by Damon+C.+Richardson · · Score: 2, Funny

    Problem is... The WOW factor on these servers has gone from WOW look what it can do. To WOW your still using that.

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  12. Re:Good idea... but... by savagedome · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bring on the 8 Inchers
    late Friday afternoon we would all let loose by flying them around like frisbees

    And then I saw your user id...

  13. Re:legal issues? by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Funny
    Nintendo owns the rights to "emulation"? Emulating anything?

    I think they patented some aspects of emulation, mainly to shut down people selling GBA emus for palmtops.

    Given the current state of patent law, chances are that any universal Turing machine now owes Nintendo royalties.

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  14. My First by PingPongBoy · · Score: 2, Funny

    The first laptop I had was a pdp-11

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    1. Re:My First by TWX · · Score: 4, Funny

      "The first laptop I had was a pdp-11"

      An LED-screen-based terminal emulator with a 300 baud modem dialing up to the PDP 11 shouldn't really count...

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  15. Just a guess ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    So how many PDP-11's can you run on a Pentium 4 anyhow?



    All of them? ;-)
  16. Wow, now I can play Adventure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... as it was MEANT to be played - on a VAX!

  17. Re:Good idea... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    How are you going to emulate a 5.25 inch drive to read old disks?

    Easy, it's an emulator. It will just multiply your 3.5" drive by 1.5.

  18. Re:All Well and good. by waynelorentz · · Score: 2, Funny

    But what about lesser known mainframes such as the Prime.

    How sad for me to find out that not only am I obsolete, I'm also obscure. I remember PrimeOS fondly if for no other reason than it was where I cut my teeth as a young hacker.

    Would have been about 1984, dialing in to a univeristy's Prime in another state. Me on my Commodore 64 with my Microbits 300 baud modem (I was the fastest kid on the block. Everyone else had 110 or baudots). It was like NetHack, but in real life. Learned to get in. Learned to navigate. Learned about these great things called directories (unavailable on my Commodore 1541 disks). When I couldn't affort to buy new floppy disks, I started storing all of my programs and files on their mainframe. They seemed to have plenty of space. I was in there for more than a year before I got caught. Ah... those were the days.

    Thank for you for the trip down memory lane.

  19. Re:All Well and good. by DLWormwood · · Score: 4, Funny
    Me on my Commodore 64 with my Microbits 300 baud modem (I was the fastest kid on the block. Everyone else had 110 or baudots). It was like NetHack, but in real life. Learned to get in. Learned to navigate. Learned about these great things called directories...
    I do not think that word means what you think it means...
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  20. Re:More important question: by Deagol · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dude, he said emulate, not mutilate.

  21. Not very fair... by MooseByte · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The truth is, Slashdot is basically a Gamer site."

    Oh come on now, that's not fair. We also talk about pr0n.

  22. ...on the head of a pin by tsm_sf · · Score: 2, Funny

    So how many PDP-11's can you run on a Pentium 4 anyhow?

    All of them?

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