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Dragon's Lair - A Forbidden Love Affair?
Thanks to WoS for its article exploring the low critical regard that laserdisc videogame Dragon's Lair is held in. The author argues that the game "is the most successful videogame in the history of the world that nobody will admit to liking. For over 20 years, Dragon's Lair games have been coining in cash hand-over-fist, while drawing nothing but bile from press and critics." He goes on to suggest: "Half-Life is almost as linear and pre-scripted as Dragon's Lair, and is just as happy to kill you instantly if you take a single step in the wrong direction", before concluding: "It's only the hardcore, the critics and the reviewers who tend to have it in for Lair and its ilk, and that may be because a game like Dragon's Lair renders both criticism and years of carefully-accumulated gaming expertise worthless."
I've always loved DL, ever since I was 13 and learning ot master this damn thing in the local Aladdin's Castle. I really felt like a big shot when I wowed the crowd with my "moves"...
who actually will not admit to liking this game? I mean, fine, if you just don't like it... but to hide it? Don't get it...
It was way before games like "Out of this World", but lacked something to hook one for long.
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I loved the humour in the games though, but I think the game lacked gaming value(?). It wasn't bad, just not as good as others to play.
Dunno... it was more like a demo I guess... you played it to be wowed by effects (which were cool at the time), but not fun to play. If someone else was playing, then great!
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I had mixed feelings at the time, as well as now...
Yet another deprived fan, wishing his carefully memorized sequence of joystick twiddles were useful in modern games. Dragon's Lair was strictly a memory game, albeit one with slick graphics and a funny narrative.
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Dragon's Lair worked better as an arcade game. At the local games parlor, the few who knew how to beat the game (or at least get past the first few screens) were revered by the unwashed masses. The gameplay was nothing special, but the graphics were mindblowing. Hmm - I can remember the game being featured on a Beyond 2000 show, even..
When it at last was released as a PC game, it was too short and too easy, when you no longer was limited by the amount of quarters in your pocket.
The game could actually be replaced by a "guess the number" game, where you guess one single digit at a time, and have to restart from scratch when you miss a digit. You even get a nice cartoon if you guess correctly. The catch is that the number you're supposed to guess is the same every time you play..
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The reason people hate it is because it is frigging terrible. If Don Bluth had released a 30 minute cartoon of it, people would lambast it for being of lower than his usual standard and exceptionally badly written.
Instead, they released a "game" where the gameplay mechanic was watch some turgid animation, then at the critical junction move a joystick or hit a button at the right time to continue playing the animation.
Unfortunately, 9 times out of 10, the required direction or button wasn't clearly explained or worse still made no sense at all and then you got to watch the stupid death cartoon yet again.
Most people prefer pacman because in that game up makes you go up and right makes you go right.
Looking at the first 11 comments I see every argument that I would want to make, but since I am drunk I figure that I should state my case anyway.
The game was OK. It was more of a memorize/pattern match sequence than it was a true game.
There was humor. I know I laughed when I saw a few of my death sequences, but beyond that I don't think it brought much to the table in terms of "gameplay".
I liked it but I liked it for what it was. I don't claim that it was halflife. DL is so far from half life that a comparison is weak at best.
You know what. In reading the article I think that the author is full of crap. What was written was nothing more than a fanatic trying to bolster more support for the game and or himself. I guess the job was well done because I am another person that clicked on a link.
In summary: game ok for what it was; article lacked weight and read like a "look at me" type rant. Dont forget to notice the paypal link.
-drew
oh ya. mispellings and gramatical errors be damned.
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I never played it when it came out in the arcade. It was far too expensive, especially when you died after about 30 seconds. The way to get your money's worth is to practice it. You can't practice because it's too expensive. But there was a retro area at E3 this year, and there it was. I was stuck there for about half an hour playing it. It was great. I really enjoyed it. I'm sure it would be easy to get bored once you've been through it, but I didn't get anywhere near through it. Space Ace was there as well, but it wasn't as good. Dragon's Lair randomly chooses a section when you start it, giving at least some variation, but Space Ace is pretty much linear right the way through. Excellent character design on the both of them though.
I liked Dragon's Lair.. then I liked Dragon's Lair II (the level with the piano playing was fantastic).
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Nowadays, I like Dance Dance Revolution. All pretty much the same interface (except Dragon's Lair didn't have any moves where you had to hold the joystick/sword button down for a long period of time if I'm remembering right).
The day someone can combine the fitness involved in DDR with a game that looks like Dragon's Lair, I'll be there too
The reason that so many people despised the original Dragon's Lair was its unresponsiveness. If you were a millisecond early or late (their definition of the proper time was the key) in hitting a control, you died. You had no real control over the game. It was a long movie with the ability to fork off into numerous death scenes.
I'll date myself (something I couldn't convince others to do at the time) and say that I was a video game fanatic when Dragon's Lair came out. I loved the classics like Missile Command, Defender, Aliens, Galaga, and Asteroids, as well as liking less-well-known games like Moon Cresta, and Sundance. I drained about $5 into Dragon's Lair before the horrible gameplay made the graphics annoying rather than astounding. I could play Missile Command and it was skill, not memorization, that decided the score. Same with Defender, Asteroids, and most of the other classics. Sure, there were some people who memorized patterns for some games, but we serious players viewed them as losers with quarters (or tokens).
There will be people who say that memorizing the Dragon's Lair game requires skill, too. Well so does playing polka music, but you won't find Eric Clapton high-fiving an accordion player and giving him backstage passes anytime soon. Just because something requires skill doesn't mean that it deserves praise.
Allow me to pick off a couple of points the article makes.
1. Comparing it it DDR and Wario Ware. While these game's machanics, compared to DL are similar, the main difference is the changing and adjustible difficulty. Almost every DDR song has at least three step patterns, each with their own degree of dificulty, and even those can be adjusted even further with options like flipping the step directions and trying to play on both dance pads. WW also has three degrees of difficulty on each game, and as you go on, they get faster and harder. DL, I see no adjustemt whatsoever. Just random scene progression in the first game and the occasional mirrored scenes. This essentialy lowers the replay value of this game greatly.
2. Narative Driven titles have taken over. Just curious, where is the "narrative element" in blowing away that lame camper's torso with a flak cannon in a UT deathmatch, or trying to fend off an Orc tower rush with your puny archers in Warcraft? Users don't want narrative gameplay, they want engaging gameplay where they have control over most of the things they're doing. (Although a good story may help!)
3. Not a counter-point, but one of my own observations, Humor. What made DL a fun game for me and my friends is that it was really fun to see the many ways Dirk kick the bucket. This made both winning and losing a fun element of this game.
4. And finaly, Dirk does speak in the game. His only words are "Uh oh!", "Hmm?", "Whoah!", "WOW!" and my favorite, "AAAAARRRRRRGH!"
Even though the plot line in half-life is heavily scripted, there are still hundreds of different ways to tackle most of the goals in the game. For instance, after you take care of the big gigantic alien in the round room and hop on the little train car (can you tell I never beat the game) and run through the tunnels dealing with tons of soldiers who want to kill you, you can play all kinds of cute tricks with the train like tossing a satchel charge on it and blowing it while it cruises past the soldiers. In other words the game is about as complex as you want it to be. Meanwhile dragon's lair has what, two paths through the game?
Dragon's Lair sucks ass as a game. It's a group experience. You memorized the moves and you played it in an arcade to amaze and impress the people who couldn't finish it. At the end, everyone cheered, patted you on the back, shook your hand and shit like that.
I got dragon's lair on DVD free from someone, or I wouldn't have it. I've never played it. Maybe someday I'll rip it and make a music video out of it or something. I was as impressed with it as anyone when I was a kid. Cliff Hanger, Space Ace, and uh that other one whose name I can never remember were all well in the same category. Frankly, even as a child I Was more impressed by the fact that it had a laserdisc player in it than anything else.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
All of us D&D nerds at the time had stormed the castle and destroyed the dragon a million times, but only in our imagination. Here's a game that showed it in greater detail than ever before, and *we* were in control.
Yes, the gameplay and controls sucked, especially when compared to the masterpieces of simplicity that were Pac Man, Tempest, Galaga, Joust, etc. Half-Life comparisons are ridiculous to the point of laughter.The merging of video games and adventure stories was inevitable, we already had Neverwinter Nights, Ultima and even Zelda in our minds at that time, we just couldn't get it up on the screeen then. Dragon's Lair was like a temporary fix, something to get us excited until something better inevitably came along.
That being said, I wouldn't expect anyone that wasn't conjugating verbs in the early 80s to *get* Dragon's Lair. That'd be just plain weird. It's all nostalgia, more than anything.