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PS3 To Use Blu-Ray Technology
Daetrin writes "GameSpot has reported an announcement by Sony that the PlayStation 3 will use Blu-Ray technology, a next-generation optical disc format which 'can hold 25GB on a single layer and 50GB on the dual-layer discs', as many people have been speculating. What Sony hasn't said for sure is whether the PS3 will be backwards compatible with DVD movies and PS2 games. However, they indicated that they will reveal more details about the PlayStation 3 at a premiere in Japan on March 31st next year. (And, if nothing else, there will certainly be plenty of rumors before then.)"
When 640Kb should be enough for everyone?
(Yeah I know I am mixing ram with disk size here, but it is a joke. Laugh)
Wow, those discs could hold thousands of DDR songs!
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Oh, you'll be able to play your old movies and games, they'll just be a bit bluray.
Sony wouldn't do a proprietary thing, would they? Owning rights to all those movies and music are just tempting them to get back at the world for Betamax.
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... a next-generation optical disc format which 'can hold 25GB on a single layer
What they didn't mention is that each disc is 3 meters in diameter.
I understand this is also going to replace RFID tags as a theft deterent.
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You must have some shitty DVD players, because the seven that I either own now or have owned in the past never had that problem.
Does it really matter if it will play dvd movies?If you can afford a $300+ console, you can afford a $50- dvd player.
word.
Also, Sony should make sure that they don't have all the "Disc read error" problems this time through.
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Will be known as "Sting Ray".
Yup.
Sony just punched the entire HD world in the face. Due to the popularity of the playstation, everyone will be able to play blue-ray disks. This will be the new video format that will have market penetration and therefor drive new MOVIE disk sales.
You know all those dvds you have? (ive got about 300) You get to re-purchase all of those in HD on blue-ray.
Huzzah!
Although this means nothing if you dont have an HD-tv. Or, if you are a bargain hunter, youve got an awesome range of super-cheap dvds coming your way.
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Shouldn't DVDs handle their games?
... like the old NeoGeo games.
I would think so. But now with increasing processor speeds and huge storage discs, they can bloat their games all they want, hire bad programmers with no concept of efficiency, and still come out ahead.
Honestly though, I could see selling an entire game pack for $500. "Buy the whole pack and never have to change the disc."
Also, it would be a great licensing scheme. There are lots of people who would like storage like that.
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I mean, can it grab more info in a given time span? Does it grab multiple layers or tracks in one rotation? Will it fill the data bus, and keep it full? Cause 50GB is a damn lot of loading otherwise. Seriously though, why do we constantly get disk drives that spin faster, why not just scan more tracks at once? I've keep hearing about bue ray from the perspective of data density, but not speed.
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what's the read time on the bluray discs? the PS2 load times were atrocious enough. i don't want to feel like i'm back on my c64 where you had to go make a sandwich while waiting for your game to load.
R.I.P.
I'm still happy with DVD quality movies, thanks.
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Seriously, even if it's just 25GB or 50GB of textures and movies, doesn't this mean we'll be waiting even LONGER in between game cycles now. Sheesh, as if 2-4 years a game wasn't long enough! :)
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Uh, Yes, they have. Where have you been?
Geez, this is like last year news, and a simple google search revealed all of these links.
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
50GB available for a game? Unless the games loaded HD video clips directly into the play scenario there seems to be a little excess capacity.
IMO, the PS3 game makers would start including videos of the developer, a storyline about the company, music (and music video) clips for the music embedded in the game, web content (even links to 'sponsors'.
go to the blu-ray link. it states in plain english that it can also read CDs and DVDs.
The "blu-ray" laser can also read previous standards like DVD and CD, not just discs designed for it only. I don't see the point in putting a traditional infra-red laser when this obviously superior laser can read all.
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What Sony hasn't said for sure is whether the PS3 will be backwards compatible with DVD movies and PS2 games.
This isn't entirely true, Ken Kutargi has already said publically last September that the PS3 will play PS2 AND PS1 games. You can find more on the story here, but here's a quote from it:-
"Mr. Ken Kutaragi, the boss of Sony Computer Entertainment division, has confirmed that the trend of backwards compatibility across next-gen consoles will continue. The Playstation 3 will support both Playstation 2 and PSOne titles when released sometime in 2005-2006."
While no mention was made of if it'd play regular DVDs, since PS2 games are DVD-Based it's a darn good bet it'll be able to.When the PS2 came out with DVD support, Sony didn't make the PS2 incompatible with PSone games and CD just because they decided to support DVDs. There is not reason to believe back-wards compatibility would be dropped from the PS3 likewise.
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In fact. Sony has developed a laser head that can read/write Bluray/DVD+/-rw/CD-RW.
http://www.sony.net/SonyI
Ken Kutargi himself already confirmed backwards compatibility.
http://www.ps3insider.com/modules
Games are getting increasingly expensive to create. A game that could fill a Blu-Ray disc would undoubtedly require an unprecedented, possibly bank-breaking budget for the artists and programmers.
I don't think so.
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PS3 plays PS2 games: PS3 is backwards compatible.
PS2 plays PS3 games: PS2 is forward compatible.
See http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_g
Of course, if you have an authoritative link which shows the rest of the world being wrong, I'd be very happy to see it
In terms of just the word "compatible", I'd say that the PS3 is compatible with PS2 games.
What Sony hasn't said for sure is whether the PS3 will be backwards compatible with DVD movies and PS2 games.
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I remember them saying almost a year ago that PS2 games would be backwards compatible
http://www.theregister.com/2003/09/02/ps3_will_pl
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has confirmed that the PlayStation 3 will feature backwards compatibility with the PS2 and PSone, ensuring continued support for older software formats in the new hardware.
It's 36MB per second for 1x, if I remember correctly, and it is supposed to get quite a bit faster as the technology improves. It needs at least 19MB per second of bandwidth for HDTV.
sorry about that 36 Mbps and 19 Mbps for the two numbers mentioned above, repsectively.
If the PS3 games can be played on the PS2, then they are backwards compatible. If the PS2 games can be played on the PS3, then the PS3 is backwards compatible.
I refer you to FOLDOC: " For example, WordPerfect 6.0 can read WordPerfect 5.1 files, so it is backward compatible."
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You know, dumbass, you don't have to sell your PS2 when the PS3 comes out.
You can keep it to play your old games.
Why does everyone use the same stupid "I don't want to throw out my old games" argument?
Always hated Memory Sticks, though.
...okay.
I call them "Memory Dicks."
Your concept of a dick is pretty small, no?
Of course, it doesn't support HD-DVD.
Since the PS3 is already stated to support PS1 and PS2 games, it *must* support CD and DVD, so you don't *have* to re-purchase your DVDs in Blu-ray, just your HD-DVDs. Of course, if you're an HD addict and just can't stand those "low-res" DVDs, then yea, you need to buy *either* HD-DVD or Blu-ray, but Sony just helped you decide which one, in that case.
If you've already bought HD-DVD stuff, you *know* you're bleeding edge, and Sony just cut you...
What Sony hasn't said for sure is whether the PS3 will be backwards compatible with DVD movies and PS2 games.
Isn't always keeping backwards compatibility to the previous system what got MS in to the DLL hell mess it's in now??
...and that's all there is to it.
Blu-ray does not use cartridges any more. Future Blu-ray drives will also read DVDs and CDs.
Also remember mini-discs? Sony wanted the playstation group to use them for memory cards but it never happened because they were afraid the size were to big.
However, the PS2 console does seem to use MemoryStick media in a different form factor for its memory cards, given that both PS2 and MemoryStick media use "MagicGate" DRM.
I don't see the point in putting a traditional infra-red laser when this obviously superior laser can read all.
;-)
Okay, time for the day's lesson, "Color transmittance and reflectance"...
For a pressed aluminum disc, you could use any currently-available wavelength of LZD you wanted, it will reflect them all very very well.
For a burned disc, you don't have just a pitted aluminum layer that either reflects or disperses the light from the drive. You have a dye that, due to the action of a particular frequency laser shining on it, has turned more-or-less permanantly opaque (or transparent) to certain frequencies of light.
The particular frequencies the dye will block or let pass vary enormously on the particular dye used, as well as the power and frequency of the laser used for writing data.
So, while we finally have a fairly standard set of DVD and CD dyes that work with each other, that all changes when you add in another frequency laser. Suddenly we'll find ourselves back to the early days of CD-Rs, where some drives could read some brands, and others couldn't.
So what do I see as the problem here? Sure, Sony can claim that their spiffy new drive will read "DVDs" and "CDs"... By which they mean pressed, commercially-manufactured DVDs and CDs. Don't hold your breath for that to also mean compatibility with either your particular drive and/or your favorite brand of media to burn to.
And rewritables? Don't feel too surprised when we learn that sticking a rewritable into a Blu-Ray just to try to read it has the unintended side-effect of erasing it.
Now, if I felt like going into conspiracy-theorist mode here, I would suggest that breaking compatibility with home-burned media seems like a very nice perk to all the Big Boys, who would love to put the CD- and DVD-burner genie back in the bottle...
But I won't go there. Not today.
A quick Google search shows the Blu-ray 1x spec at 36Mbps... So it's pretty fast. At that speed, the article I read said it would take about 2.5 hours to fill a single sided Blu-ray disk. I'm too lazy to double check the math. :)
Forget DDR songs; if you had two you could watch the Trinity death scene in its entirety!
Technologically speaking, of course. The mental strain might be too great.
It exists. I think it was panasonic a few years ago that put 4 or 5 lasers in one CD-ROM unit, read at 50x or so but spun really slow (compared to other equal speed drives) hence quieter and more reliable (didn't stress the motor as much).
I think the problem was that it was too expensive.
I'm no expert in disk usage/compression, but is it possible to be so inneficient in disk usage, that a game that would normally take 1 gig is expanded to 50 gigs in such a way that it is incompressable using normal methods? I'd say that if this is the case, then Sony has a great way to prevent piracy. Forget DRM. Forget lock outs, or strict rules. SURE! put it on your computer, SURE! give it to your friends, just have fun copying 50 gigs over DSL.
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