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Marine Finds Duct Tape on Mars

mhore writes "It seems that one of the biggest complaints about Doom 3 has been resolved. Thanks to Glen Murphy, you may now use your flashlight and weapon at the same time, thanks to the ingenious 'Duct Tape' mod! While some may think this ruins the game play, I disagree and think it is worth noting." There's plenty of other Doom 3-related coverage over at PlanetDoom, including a pointer to a new IGN review, which PlanetDoom considers "a lot more fair and balanced than some of the reviews we've seen so far", with an overall 8.9/10 score.

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  1. Thank the lord by Rooked_One · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I kept wondering why, why why why, that marines in the year 2195 didn't have flashlights standard on their helmets.... or why for that matter our hero in this game didn't have a helmet. =/

    1. Re:Thank the lord by Arathrael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just want to know why he can't hold a flashlight in one hand and a pistol in the other. I mean, you can see his reflection in the bathroom mirror in game. It's a one-handed flashlight. It's a one-handed pistol. The maths isn't hard.

      I was also slightly disturbed that the majority of people on Slashdot and elsewhere, rather than thinking along those lines, seemed to instead jump to the idea of duct tape, and occasionally helmets. But then I realised that perhaps if the majority of people, a) only use one hand for everything, and b) have an obsession with duct tape, I would probably be happier not thinking too much about it. :-)

    2. Re:Thank the lord by atomicdragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Although I know it is mainly to make the game darker and scarier, which is more enjoyable to some people (and I rather take fun over realism), I think that it is still not too unconceivable. I am sure they have all of the technology there, but they don't always have their stuff together. One email in the game mentions how they got a shipment of chainsaws by mistake and there seem to be other logistical blunders. So I would guess things don't always run too smoothly there. Maybe their shipment of gun lights and night vision equipment was sent to the moon by accident.

      That, and I have to wonder how many flashlights do they need. It is in the future when they would think power should be readily available and everything is supposed to be brightly lit.

      And as to the question of why there was no duct tape around, I think the demons knew what they were doing. The first thing they probably did was take all of the duct tape, since they knew its awesome power. Why else would stuff all of sudden start breaking and failing through out the base? Hell does tend to break loose when you can't find any duct tape to hold it in place.

  2. Poor guy... by Compholio · · Score: 5, Informative

    "In anticipation of a slashdotting due in 10 minutes (god bless being a /. subscriber), the images have been removed from the front page. You may still view them here, if you're interested: screenshot 1, screenshot 2 (image quality has also been reduced)."

    1. Re:Poor guy... by FrenZon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the server is so far holding up fine. I don't think quite so many Slashdot people click on gaming-related links as other stories.

      I'm more worried what will happen if visitors go elsewhere on my server, as there are some quite large files there. Oh well :D

      If the access logs prove to be interesting, I'll summarise and post them, as I was always curious what it was like to be slashdotted.

  3. Way to be prepared. by Omni+Magnus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the first time I have ever heard of a small site that was able to sucessfully defend itself from a slashdotting, due to an early warning.

    1. Re:Way to be prepared. by FrenZon · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'm sure the guy had fair warning.
      Yeah, I'm a Slashdot subscriber, so I saw it highlighted in red 10 minutes before it went live :D

      Not that I .. erm .. refresh slashdot every 5 minutes or anything.
  4. Flashlight + Pistol by HungSquirrel · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is another mod that gives just your pistol a flashlight.

    http://dlx.gamespot.com/pc/doom3/moreinfo_610416 8. html

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  5. Thank the lord-A vain attack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    " I kept wondering why, why why why, that marines in the year 2195 didn't have flashlights standard on their helmets.... or why for that matter our hero in this game didn't have a helmet. =/"

    Flashlight on helmet==target.
    Helmet==messes up hero's hair.

  6. Appropriate name. by strredwolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now how about:

    1. Modding all the weapons to have this feature, and...
    2. Modding all the models so they look like they have the flashlight strapped on 'em with duct tape.

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    1. Re:Appropriate name. by randyest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes. The name is clever. Many have asked "don't they have duct tape in 2045?"

      Of course the anwer is yes, but you don't have any when this particular shit hits this particular fan. Sorry. Life is hard. And it's much scarier this way!

      But, if you're as scared as this guy or this guy's friends then I have I a deal* for you (*not a monorail.)

      It's easier to install than this new duct tape mod, requires no file download, and works 100% of the time. You're not restricted to a smaller-beam, or to duct-taping your flashlight to small arms only. And there's no modified doom3 files to cause problems in multiplayer when cheat detectors check your files.

      Ready for it?

      You think I'm effing with you, don't you?

      I'm not.

      Pull down the console (ctrl+alt+~ -- now that's security through obscurity! I be you were expecting just ~ eh?) and enter:

      r_gamma 2

      If it's still too dim for your panties to hold your dump, up it to something closer to 3 (over 3 is meaningless.)

      Still crying mama every time you hear "come one hurry!"? Ok, open up Mr. Console again and do a:

      r_brightness 1.6

      You can push that up a bit higher if your teeth are chipping each other, but it gets ugly fast.

      If you don't want to do that every game, find C:\Program Files\Doom 3\base\DoomConfig.cfg (or your equivalent in the case of non-standard install or other OS) and search/replace any existing settings of the above mentioned variables. Add them if they're not already there. Anything in DoomConfig.cfg gets executed on startup.

      Be sure to use a nightlight and make sure mommy tucks you in, BTW.









      And yes. There are monsters both under your bed and in your closet.

      Bwahaha! :)

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  7. Darkened room = less need for this mod by IvyMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've found that by playing only at night, in pitch black, so that my eyes start to adjust to the dark, the extreme darkness of this game isn't that annoying.

    If I play in the morning before work, when the sun has risen, my eyes can't dynamically adjust from the light room to the dark screen, and I can't see anything. Maybe I need to eat more carrots or something.

    In any case, the bonus about doing it this way is that the game is way scarier at night. :)

    1. Re:Darkened room = less need for this mod by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 4, Funny

      LIES!

      I eat about 6 carrots a day and the only reason I don't creep around in the dark anymore is because my wife says it creeps her out!

    2. Re:Darkened room = less need for this mod by Fellgus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've always felt that the eye's light adaptation should be simulated by the game. If you play in a well lit room, your eyes won't adapt to changing light levels in a computer game, so I wonder, why doesn't the game increase the lighting when the majority of the scene is dark? It would even be possible to create "blinding" effects when entering daylight from a dark room. It would also create the impression of an even higher dynamic range of light than what is actually possible on a monitor.

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  8. Not buying it by kryocore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was anticipating this game since it was first announced, and now that I've seen the trailer and all the IGS vids, I don't want it.
    I bought RTCW, and I hated walking through a morg with monsters coming after me. It wouldn't been way cooler if Carmak and his crew designed something more realistic (but not 100%) like the Bourne identity. It freeks me out walking around in dark corridors not knowing what the heck is beside me.
    Good job ID, you made it so scary I don't want it!
    There was nothing scary about the firt Doom, the graphics were so bad that it didn't matter. Boy how that's changed.

    1. Re:Not buying it by sad_ · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There was nothing scary about the firt Doom, the graphics were so bad that it didn't matter.


      sure, now they are bad, but back then, oh boy! i played that game again and again, and let me tell you how scary it was! it got me jumping out of my chair when my mother would walk into the room. the original doom used lighting as well to create fear, you must remember all the halls which were half lit, or with flashing lights, or the many traps where the lights would go out and a secret door would open releasing zillions of imps.

      it was scray then, it is scary now, it is DOOM :)

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  9. Author's Comments by FrenZon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While this mod is not for everyone, I've tried to maintain a certain level of paranoia by making the flashlight only attach to your smaller guns (but not the pistol - that would spoil the early early game), and making the cone of projection much smaller than the hand-held flashlight. This leads to situations where you're in a pitch black room, but can only see a very small area, which for some is much more claustrophobic than holding the default wide-angle flashlight. This especially applies when swinging your view around, and catching a glimpse of an enemy, who you are then unable to find as they've run off into the abundant darkness.

    Granted, as you can still use the current flashlight it does make things slightly less scary, but Doom3 has plentiful amounts of scariness to spare. Like playing the marine in Alien vs. Predator, I know of several people who still can't play it even using this mod, due to fear.

  10. Re:Sorry, correction by kubrick · · Score: 5, Funny

    where said marines are not likly to be properly equiped ... to fight wars at night. We in the Space Marines expect all our wars to be fought in well-lit conditions!

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  11. PlanetDoom's inherent bias? by ajutla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's plenty of other Doom 3-related coverage over at PlanetDoom, including a pointer to a new IGN review, which PlanetDoom considers "a lot more fair and balanced than some of the reviews we've seen so far", with an overall 8.9/10 score. And yet PlanetDoom is a member of "the GameSpy network." Didn't GameSpy and IGN have a merger? Isn't this basically GameSpy/IGN praising its own review...?

  12. Flashlight=Greatest Weapon Ever by porp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the flashlight from the viewpoint that it is a weapon. It shines light and lets you see shit. That's its purpose. This marine travelled to Mars, not expecting a hell intrusion. Instead he gets one, has few weapons, picks up a flashlight and some other weapons and starts kicking ass. Awesome.

    Okay, it's the future. Dudes in the future should have high tech badass gear. I mean, nightvision, we have, but in the future, shit, man, there should be some crazy shit that looks through walls and sees DEMONS. And, it sees them in the dark! Damn, in the future, they might even have dogs that wear electric turbons that allow them to focus energy that allows them to make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. WOW.

    This is a game. He went in without a weapon. Apparently, which is plainly obvious, there are idiots that work on Mars and do stupid shit. They're conjuring Hell and demons and crazy ass spiders. It's clear they care little for their own safety; and, therefore, they have not duct taped flashlights on their machineguns.

    I'll continue playing without a pussy flashlight taped on. I'm in hell, and I'm kicking demon ass. F a flashlight, and F this mod.

    Down with the DEMONS.

    porp

  13. Poor guy...Eulogy for a server. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "If the access logs prove to be interesting, I'll summarise and post them, as I was always curious what it was like to be slashdotted."

    Well first the room lights dim to red, and a warning klaxon goes off. Then there can be heard the increasing sound of steam escaping, with the gagues on front registering overload. Then the server case starts bulging, rivets popping and flying across the room. There's a call for evacuation over the intercom, while solid steel pressure doors drop down. Standing outside five minutes latter, a muffled boom can be heard. A moment of silence, then a call is placed to Dell.

  14. maybe now... by ltwally · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe now I'll stop shitting my pants every time I play DOOM 3.

    John Carmack should have thought to include toilet paper with the game.

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  15. Don't do it! by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ok I'm sure someone already posted this sentiment, but I'm compelled to post :P

    First off I've beaten Doom3 with no mods or outside info of any sort, it was awsome. Now about the flashlight....

    Needing a seperate flashlight ADDS a LOT to the feeling of vulnerability, that something could jump out and attack you when you are most vulnerable!

    Lets put it this way, How do you feel when you have your gun out with light, versus having no light? You can't see well, you're not sure about your surroundings...something may be over there...but it still provides a sence of security.

    Taking away the gun takes away that sence of security. You can see better, but now you're vulneable, you'd feel better if you had that gun out wouldn't you?

    So basically I think it's great game design. It greatly enhances the feeling of insecurity and vulnerability. I think even having this mod is great proof that id made a design that makes some people feel a little too insecure :)

    1. Re:Don't do it! by randyest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree.

      I will not install this mod.

      Yes, it makes sense -- space marines in 2045 should have duct tape and/or helmets with flashlights and/or nightvision and/or fucking-A genetically engineered cat-eye night-proof eyes-from-hell.

      But that's not what this space marine happened to have handy when the shit hit the fan.

      And I like it that way!

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  16. In case anyone missed it. Beta Catalyst 4.9. by OwP_Fabricated · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4547.html

    I tried them out of curiosity, and I am indeed seeing improvement in framerates in Doom 3. I wonder though, if these tweaks are designed for OpenGL, will they translate over to other OpenGL games like Call of Duty?

  17. Great game! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This game has been getting quite a few negative reviews, so I figured I'd add my mostly positive review. Yes, the game is dark. Yes, using the flashlight and a gun at the same time is not playing the game the way it was meant to be played (if it was they would have added it). Personally I have had NO PROBLEM finding the enemies and taking them out. When I do use the flashlight it's almost always to see if there are any goodies hidden in the dark corners. Yes, my lighting settings are unchanged from the defaults. This is Doom. It's supposed to be scary, so quit whining, bitches!

    Secondly, this game delivers exactly what it promises to deliver: an old-school fps which is designed to be terrifying. It isn't a mistake that the maps are linear! I used to hate running around across a level trying to figure out what to do next in Quake 2. If you save partway through a level, you don't have to worry about being lost when you come back two months later to play again. You can't say the same for many games. When I pick up an FPS I'm not doing it to solve puzzles; I want to splatter some blood across the walls, and I don't want a learning curve.

    As an adult, the more complex a game is, the more unlikely I am to play it. I've been waiting for a game to beat Half Life in its first person experience, and I can safely say that Doom 3 beats it hands down. If it makes you bored, stop complaining and find another game. No one is forcing you to play it, and it's a lot of fun for myself and many others.

    Only complaint so far: memory requirements. When they said 384 megs min, they were being honest. I'm hitting the VM a lot with only 256 megs and it causes slowdown at inopportune times!

  18. Ingenious? by EulerX07 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole point of the flashlight is having to choose between seeing where you want to shoot, and being able to shoot there. This mod simply eliminates one of the aspect of the game.

    How about an aimbot mod for singleplayer, would that be "brilliant"?

    1. Re:Ingenious? by sprayNwipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you have a game so aimed at realism, devices such as this to make the gameplay work become an annoyance.

      Realism?

      You're talking about a game where you're a military person in a science-based research lab, where they somehow manage to open a portal to hell that causes everyone to turn into demons and zombies, and that has convieniently placed guns and armor shards for you to add to yourself, and you're complaining that having to lower your torch to aim and fire with a shotgun or machine gun is unrealistic?

  19. Hardware req's by DaveKAO · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow... I can't beleive I just spent $1,700 on a new machine just to display all this damn darkness. My old video card displayed a screenful of black just fine.

  20. HOW-TO: Fix your Gamma in game by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 5, Informative
    ..for those of you still playing, hell I would of quit in the first level without adjusting the engine's gamma. This doesn't do anything to my framerate, YMMV

    Pull up the console (Ctrl + Alt + ~)
    type "r_gamma 2" (max is 3, default 1)
    Adjust brightness downward a notch or two
    ; especially if you cranked it up while looking for the fucking gamma control like I did.

    And here's a bonus hacking tip, the developer's own config files (keybindings, video settings, etc) are stored in one of the *.pk? files (in D3's case pak000.pk4). Usually you can pull out some interesting command usage, especially when one developer has binds to useful commands and functions as in-game editing menus. From the johnc.cfg file, a few lines out of many such as rebinding console to a normal "~" and Flashlight Batteries (MP option?), plus the fact that he doesn't mind his game dark.
    bind ~ "toggleconsole"
    seta si_flashLightBatteries "0"
    seta si_allowFlashLight "1"
    seta r_customHeight "486"
    seta r_customWidth "720"
    seta r_gamma "1"
    Jonah Hex (aka [TFO]DogMeat to my MOHAA old mod friends :)
  21. Note to futuristic Mars Base designers by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really doubt that in 2145 when some architect is designing a mars base that he will read this but...

    CHOOSE YOUR GODDAM LIGHTING SUBCONTRACTERS CAREFULLY.

  22. silly people. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I completely understand the logic behind having a torch attached to the gun, or being able to hold the gun in one hand and the pistol in the other , I'd have to say that I think this is a dumb mod - at least for single player.

    The whole apeal of the game is ruined if you're able to have the flashlight on all the time. Less things 'jump out' at you. The game would be much less suspenseful, and, IMO, less entertaining as a result of such a mod. Doom 3 doesn't offer much gameplay value (not to be confused with graphic quality or the engine, oh ye pedantics) without the creepyness/darkness, IMO, as FPS games are truly pretty run-of-the-mill now, and Doom 3 doesn't bring anything to that table in terms of gameplay. Removing the suspense that arrives from having to switch back and forth from a gun and the flashlight in a dark room in order to see what you're shooting at is foolish - even though it would be realistic in real life to be able to shoot and hold a light, it is not practical for the game. Suspension of disbelief is key in this game, just as it would be in film.

    Hell, if anyone complains about the 'default' game state with the claim of "reality", step back from your monitor and brain yourself with your keyboard. You're on Mars killing demons in a scientific lab which has, essentially, created an entropy engine/infinite supply of energy, FFS. Oh, and of course, there's the whole "portal to hell" bit.

    Multiplayer is another story entirely. Doom 3 has introduced an entirely new form of camping - the "stand in the dark spot in the middle of the hall and just shoot" camp. It necessitates that a person turn on the barrel flare and projectile light features in DoomConfig.cfg - without doing so, you can't even see the person shooting you.

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  23. If you want to modify this mod by nedder · · Score: 4, Informative

    The flashlight intensity and pattern of this mod is controlled by a .tga file that acts as an alpha channel. I opened it in photoshop and used the circle gradient to make the spot larger with a softer edge (the one in the mod is way too small and hard edged). Add it back to the pk4 and make sure it retains the /lights path. On a sidenote, this mod seems to screw up screenshots. I took 4 to show people and they were solid blue. You can also have some fun with the .tga and have like 2 flashlights or give it a wide/narrow shape, etc.

  24. Combat survival 101 by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Informative
    Lesson 1: DO NOT SIGNAL YOUR PRESENCE TO THE ENEMY.

    One of the things any real soldier knows is that once you give your position away you MOVE. So a sniper never stays in one place after a shot (make note snipers who are suprised that after they shoot me I kill them in computer games). With night fighting the flash of your weapon means that after you fire a round you move since the enemy now knows exactly were you are.

    Same deal really with search lights. Sure they make it easier to see but the poor guy operating it will probably be the first to die as he is the easiest to target.

    Putting lights on your body or weapon is a big NO-NO. Why not just paint your self a big fluorescent target on your chest and be done with it?

    The only ones who use lights on their guns are special forces like swat teams. They operate at such speed and with such overwhelming force that the enemy doesn't have time to respond. A swat team could go in with sirens on their head since they are not supposed to stay still and engage a heavily armed enemy.

    Watch the movie ET and the opening scene where all the cops are walking with their flashlights shining. Now imagine they are soldiers and you are the enemy waiting in ambush. Who do you think is going to win?

    There is also an other reason why not to use a flashlight at night. Your eyes can adjust to the dark and make use of what little light there is available. Start shining a flashlight around however and your eyes won't adjust. You will see very good in the small cone of the flashlight and be blind outside. Not good.

    So lights on weapons or worse the body are a clear sign you are watching a movie. They can only really be used when you are reasonably certain that you are operating at such speed against a less prepared enemy that the giving away your position and presenting a brightly lit target makes up for you being able to see.

    How does this relate to doom3? Well what happened is pretty realistic. The marine realises he is not in a normal combat scenario so he uses duct tape to adjust to the situation. So the question is not why the marins do not have lights on their weapons or body pre-fitted. The question is why ID did not give their soldier some duct-tape after he learned of the changed situation. Then again how many FPS have you seen where the hero tapes clips together for faster reload, tapes two guns together for extra fire power? We seen it in the movies, gotta be sound tactics or they wouldn't use it.

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    1. Re:Combat survival 101 by Draeven · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I do agree with your commentary and logic on lights, but as far as Doom3 is concerned, it doesn't apply. Things simply know where you are, once they are alert to your presence (Froms ound, etc) There is no place to hide, they seek you out. We have tactical rails on everythying from pistols to rifles these days, it doesn't make a lick of sense to me that we'd go over 100 years in the future only to downgrade our tactical weaponry. If the guy wasn't meant to shine a flashlight around in the first place, they wouldn't have given him one at all. It should have been on his rifle and or handgun to start with. Maybe an optional item to pick up, but still.

      And were this a better simulation of reality, eyes adjusting to the darkness would be a useful thing, but since the game doesn't program such things into it, and thus it's not possible to see into that dark corner now matter how long you stare at it, using that kind of logic for doom3 is simply flawed.

      More duct tape, less stupid story driven programming.