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X-Connect 500W Modular PSU

VL writes "Sure, power supply reviews aren't all that interesting, but we take a look at one nice PSU that delivers power where it counts, and best of all, it is the best modular setup we've seen in this market segment."

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  1. yet SPAM hits us again by freaker_TuC · · Score: 4, Insightful


    so, come on, what's the deal?

    * Posted by CmdrTaco
    * by VL, viperlair, the company selling these PSU's

    NEWS for Nerds or STUFF for Nerds? If I need stuff for nerds I go to my local PC supplier or I go to thinkgeek but this is a lil bit over the top not ?

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    1. Re:yet SPAM hits us again by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So /. should stop linking to hardware review websites

      No...

      or start ignoring their submissions?

      Yes, if they link to themselves. That's called journalistic integrity.

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    2. Re:yet SPAM hits us again by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Yes, if they link to themselves. That's called journalistic integrity.

      Is it really?, the summary makes it very clear that the person submitting the story is from the site that's linked.

      If they had tried to pretend otherwise, then there might me integrity issues.

      And as mentioned elsewhere - slashdot is not a newspaper. It is a web site where they post links that people have sent them if they find them interesting. There is no journalism, there are no editors, it is not a news source, it is a bunch of links to other sites. Sometimes they're interesting, sometimes they're irrelevant, sometimes they're barely disguised spam. You get that.
      Never in the 7 years I've been visiting this site have I thought it was anything else. Why do other people seem to have such a problem with that?

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  2. noise by mixmasterjake · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "According to specifications, the fans will generate 34 dB of noise at full speed, which is certainly far from silent."

    I was kinda psyched a while back when I replaced my old power supplies on two boxes w/ 400 watters. (the biggest i had heard of at the time). Stupidly, I failed to realize how much louder the new power supplies were. I don't know how many dbs exactly, though they verge on annoying.

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    1. Re:noise by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      True, 34dB isn't quiet, but this is only a first stab at this and I suspect it'll become the default soon enough. Hopefully the other (quieter) PSU makers will release their own take on this pretty soon and we'll get the best of both worlds. A *standard PSU connector* between vendors would be nice too, if any of the designers are out there. :)

      As to the noise, I've recently upgraded a couple of my systems and while I was prepping them I just left the PSU cables loose in the case. Once everything was done I tied them all up nice and neat and tucked away the unused PSU cables out of the airflow. The idling temperature of the AMD CPU dropped a full two degrees C with this simple change, but more importantly the case and CPU fan dropped by nearly 500 RPMs apiece. I know airflow matters, but not being a serious modder I had know idea it could be that much!

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    2. Re:noise by PeterPumpkin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Over 85 db continuous can cause hearing loss over time :D I have some paperwork I collected here for OSHA compliance...here is a general idea for noise:

      Weakest sound audible by ear: 0db
      Normal conversation: 60db
      Ringing Telephone: 80db
      Belt Sander: 90db
      Chain Saw: 110db
      Jet taking off: 140db
      Rocket Launch: 180db
      Loudest possible tone the ear can process without drum imploding instantaneously: 194 db

    3. Re:noise by lambent · · Score: 2, Funny

      How did they calculate that last one? Did they line up a bunch of volunteers, and play increasingly louder sounds until their heads exploded?

  3. what I'd like to see by deathazre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is one of these for my Shuttle. Thing's too small for the excess wires running about.

    (what I'd really like to see is a departure from the ATX connector on the Shuttles, moving to something smaller with less wires and higher amperage rated connections, but that's beside the point.)

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  4. Rolandpiquepaille-ism by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny
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  5. Yes, by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but how many rock tumblers can it power?


    Nerd: I need an outlet for my rock tumbler.
    Bart & Lisa: Plug it in! Plug it in!
    Nerd: What, the rock tumbler or the TV?
    Bart & Lisa: The TV! The TV!

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  6. Re:Just another reason... by Zorak+Man · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wouldn't label this as a "top of the line" "only the rich have" item. I dropped $90 on an antec PSU at 480 watts becuase the no name one I had didn't cut it. I can not stress enough the importance of buying a quality PSU, because it is such a hard thing to reconize when it is causing trouble. So exspect to spend around $100 on a quality power rig PSU. Another point of intrest to me is that that is a really inovative idea with the modular plugs. Seriously, when was the last time you saw something change in PSUs and it made you say "wow, that is really something different."

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  7. Re:how reliable/quiet is it by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

    still just ugly metal boxes with minor variations on a 70yr design but now designed to last about 3yr

    Yes I'll second that, my 70 year old IBM still works like a champ...

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  8. Don' by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The article says, "There isn't such a thing as too much power though..."

    This article has no place on Slashdot. It is written by someone with no knowledge who quite likely was paid to say such things.

    1. Re:Don' by imsabbel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah. Its like the firewall in software:
      user: I have a problem with my hardware....
      idiot: how big is your psu?
      user: 300W
      idiot: NOT ENOUGH. GET MORE. OF COURSE your system is unstable with only 300W...

      A 3.6GHZ Prescott with a NV40 and 2 GB ram draws about 220W from your PSU. So NOBODY needs a 500W PSU for a single cpu system, even if he has 10 discs or so.

      In fact some of the "bigger" psus have so little rating on their 12V lines that downgrading can help. My old 420W psu wouldnt boot with 8 drives, only with 6. My new 350W has no problems whatever...

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  9. Despite all the bitching... by Kenshin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Despite all the bitching about this article being a paid ad, this PSU looks fairly useful.

    The other day when I was blowing all the dust out of my case, I saw all those unused power cords strung about all over the place and wished I could get rid of them.

    Since we're getting rid of bulky ribbon cables with S-ATA, it would be nice to get rid of all that other spaghetti too.

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  10. Increased cost with less reliabilty by Mad+Quacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those power connectors have always been the weakest part of any power supply, they often fail causing intermittent connections which result in lockups or worse. I find I have to crimp down each socket with some needle nose pliers if I remove them... and now there's TWO per connection..

    I'm hoping more devices move to SATA style power, so far it seems to have far better contact.

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  11. Some heavy duty testing there... by Lord+Crc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He didn't even push the PSU, yet say that it was more than able. Eh? He had one HD... How about 4 drives in a raid (so they're all active), and then see how it fares playing some games (so the gpu is taxed too)?

    The modular connections looked like something I might want though.

  12. except no mention of things that really count by ChumpusRex2003 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm very concerned about all those extra connections. The connections are the weakest point on current PSUs/motherboards; I have seen a number of PSUs or boards with melted connectors because they were either of substandard quality or not fully pushed home.

    Each connector provides additional resistance in the circuit leading to voltage sags and heat build up in the connectors.

    I'd be more interested if this PSU offered high efficiency and Active PFC. (Active PFC opens the way for more efficient PSU designs). Current PSUs offer an electrical efficiency of about 68% - on a high-end system, the PSU could be pumping out over 100 W of heat itself, making it even more of a space heater than the CPU - and requiring substantial fans too.

    Modern industrial SMPSs can achieve electrical efficiencies which are much higher. I've seen telecoms grade 400W PSUs claim efficiency of over 95% - so the technology exists to mass produce these things today.

    Also, this review made no mention of protection systems:

    • Any overheat protection?Or will the PSU burn under overload or if a fan fails?
    • Over voltage protection? Will the PSU shut off if an overvoltage condition occurs? Is there a 'fail-safe' crowbar system which can guarantee the safety of the rest of your PC (even if it has to sacrifice the PSU?)

    Incredibly, the safety features listed above, are not standard on all PC PSUs - only a very few offer crowbar protection.

    1. Re:except no mention of things that really count by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was thinking a lot of the same things when I saw this power supply (and that Antec's NeoPower looks like a better design, personally).

      I've been a big fan of Elan Vital's power supplies for a long time (also available under an american distributor for direct purchase -- see the AMS Mercury EVR-4607 if you want a gorgeous redundant power supply for ATX cases).

      They have active PFC, high efficiencies, good clean power, lots of fans, not terribly loud, and very large connectors internally (low resistance, good connections). On top of that, they're very compact. I've got a client running the above EVR-4607 very happily and another running the redundant power supply built into their S50 server case.

      Sorry though, they don't glow in the dark or have windows. But the EVR-4607 does have a removable side panel to upgrade or replace its internal ciruitry.

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    2. Re:except no mention of things that really count by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An article that simply accepts the manufacturer's ratings without testing them is worthless, IMO. I think they claimed that this thing was rated for 500 continuous watts, whereas saying others are rated only for bursts. Kind of like Car & Driver simply printing the manufacturer's performance claims when they have a chance to test it.

  13. "Journalistic integrity" by EnglishTim · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uh... since when has /. had anything to do with journalism?

  14. Re:PSU Breaks. by moonbender · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Depends. First of all, get brand-name PSUs. It doesn't have to be a super high profile brand like Antec or Enermax, there are equally good/better, cheap PSUs by other manufacturers, but no-name PSUs are horrible. Or at least they used to be - the rule was that any brand-name PSU was more powerful than a no-name PSU of twice the rating. Looking around on the net is a pretty good idea, although most PSU reviews really suck.

    That said, most people I know buy way too powerful PSUs. 350W really gets you a long way - as I'm writing this, my 350W hec PSU powers a GF4 Ti4200, an XP 1800+, three hard drives and one optical drive. I'm fairly certain there's still room for more, I think a 300W PSU would be sufficient for this system. I'm curious whether it'd break if I installed a cutting edge graphics card which at some point were claimed to require a 450W PSU.

    Buying a PSU that is too powerful for your system isn't a big deal, though. PSUs run most efficient when they're being used close to their maximum rating, but I don't think the efficiency difference is that great. So you can't go wrong if you buy a 400W PSU - you'll just spend more than you have to, for one thing.

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  15. Basically... by Zizkus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just a thought, the article says " Basically, if you do not need all the available power, the PSU will reduce the voltages. ", well I don't know about you but I don't want my 5 volt stuff running on 4 volts :), obviously this reviewer wouldn't know a ripple if they saw one! For really good power supplies, try PcPowerAndCooling.com really well made quality stuff. "I don't know, I couldn't say, at least not today!"

  16. Similar functionaliy in Antec's NEOPOWER line by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe this company is offering the same sort of cable modularity as in the Antec NEOPOWER line (looks rather new):

    http://www.antec.com/us/pro_details_powerSupply.ph p?ProdID=24480

    The Antec version appears to have some interesting features, not the least of which is the fully open-back grill on the back of the unit. The dark brushing alumnium/steel finish is rather cool too. However, the Antec product does not offer the same sort of sleeved cables as the one in the originaly article. They are, instead, bundles of molex connectors -- two to three connectors per bundle.

    Here's a flyer PDF link on the Antec product:

    http://www.antec.com/pdf/flyers/NeoPower.pdf

    Tom's Hardware also review this Antec product on July 20, 2004:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/firstlook/20040720/ind ex.html

    Also, if you're interested in EXTREME modular PSU options, visit Frozencpu.com and look under the Power Supplies area for a slew of their own customized PSUs with modularity options included. It's almost to a point of overkill, including plexiglass casings, UV wiring, LED fans, laser cut fan grills -- all for a friggin' power supply.

    IronChefMorimoto

  17. EMI from DC power cables??? by orionpi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "All the cables are sleeved with a tinned copper braid, which act to shield the rest of the PC from EMI." How cables that transmit DC power going to generate EMI? If if a device's current draw is fluctuation enough to cause RF propagation the device needs to be replaced, not sheild the DC transmition cables.

  18. I have one of these... by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Recieved it from FrozenCPU last week, its extremly quiet, and probably cut the noise of my PC in half. Also, the chrome and silver/black connectors look very clean. You can get a 500w power supply for a lot less, but it wont look this nice and probably doesn't have the performance (nobody ever reviews cheap PSUs). Its been running an XP3200+, 2 vid cards, 3 SATA hard drives, 2 optical drives and 3 fans without any hickups. Another review here.

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