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FTC Bars Popup Backdoor Ads

zanderredux was one of several readers to note that the FTC has banned backdoor popups. This is the result of the D Squared case that we've heard a bit about in the past. The case also restricted them from sending IM ads as well.

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  1. This would be a victory -- by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This would be a victory if it were legitimate businesses that used such tactics, but it tends to be the questionable individuals who use this the most, so it really won't have much impact, I'm afraid.

    It gets even worse when you consider the fact that US law has little effect on operations from other countries. So...

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  2. Messenger service is fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was one of the team leaders on the Windows NT project, in fact my team was in charge of the Messenger service.

    Nothing like watching an entire department power cycle their machine because they received

    "An error has occured at 0x8000000C. Please reboot your system."

  3. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not about government control, it's about recourse. Without laws allowing you (either you personally, your company, or society as a whole) to punish offenders, you are powerless.

  4. Uh oh by thebra · · Score: 5, Funny

    My computer is broadcasting an IP address, but without ads how will I be able to stop this?

  5. Hateful, tricksy popups! by CommanderData · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although marketers regard pop-ups as one of the most effective ways of advertising online, many surfers find them hugely annoying.

    Hmmm, what's the word I'm thinking of... Oh yeah... DUH! What I cannot believe is that marketing people think that popups are effective advertising! The only way they have to measure effectiveness is by click-throughs. Of course, many of these pop-up ads are graphically designed to be so misleading (looking like a window within a window, or a dialog box) that the general public will click the ad accidentally while trying to close it. All these accidental clicks apparently add up to a "successful advertising campaign" in the eyes of a marketing bobblehead.

    Now, these guys using the windows messenger service can pop up a window that IS a dialog/messagebox, no matter what browser you use. Doesn't even matter if the browser is running, as long as you're connected to the internet (and running Windows). I'm glad that they're getting slapped.

    On a related note, I wonder if Microsoft considered turning off the windows messenger service by default for SP2? Not sure what kinds of apps that would break, but it seems like it would be benefical to the majority of home users.

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  6. Re:Hmmph. by rokzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    er, no. RTFA. these guys were actually caught, put in court, found guilty, ordered to stop (and have), and will be monitored for the next 5 years.

    this single ruling has had a huge effect already.

  7. Good. by Millennium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Free speech doesn't allow you to run protection rackets, so why this? It's the same thing, if you think about it: sending popups with a promise to stop if you're paid. The only differences are in degree and scale.

    Not that this is going to do anything to prevent people from sending backdoor popups; nothing ever does. However, it does allow people to drop the hammer on those who continue this practice.

  8. Some thoughts by Benanov · · Score: 5, Informative
    FTA: "Lawyers for the pair said that they were not trying to extort consumers by bombarding them with ads and argued they only intended to send one a day to computer users."

    A few things:
    1. Someone can't code...
    2. The article has some misquotes: They use Messenger Service and MSN Messenger as if they were the same thing. This looks to be using the Messenger Service to send ads.
    3. GRC.COM's Shoot the Messenger is your friend (small assembly program that tells the service to shut itself down and disable it)
    4. When you use a backdoor like that, how do you control that one ad is sent to one machine? Wait. You don't. If they had graduated from college, they might have known that...
    :P --Ben
  9. Numbers are wrong by StacyWebb · · Score: 5, Funny

    "claiming it could send pop-ups to as many as 135,000 internet addresses each hour." Actually D squared = 250,000

  10. Re:Popups are dead... by gid13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pfft... I'm not going to get excited until Netcraft confirms it.

  11. TV next...? by d474 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now if they could just get rid of these 30 second pop-up ads that appear on my TV 4 or 5 at a time. Like, I'll be watching a movie, it'll get to a really good part, and then BAM!, 6 pop-ads about feminine products, male enhancement pills, etc.

    The worst part is they seem to get more agressive towards the end of the movie. Once I saw like 15 pop-up ads before the cliff hanger ending last scene. When is the FTC going to outlaw this madness!?

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