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Congressional Budget Office Studies Copyrights

gorbachev writes "C|Net is reporting that The Congressional Budget Office has published a study on digital copyright issues. The study basically recommends not changing the copyright legislation in favor of any particular stakeholder, including consumers or lobbyists. It's refreshing to see a governmental agency coming out with a study on copyright issues that appears to take consumers' concerns into consideration." Granted, this is merely the CBO, not Congress itself, but it is one of Congress' first places to turn to for information.

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  1. highest bid wins! by adamshelley · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The study basically recommends not changing the copyright legislation in favor of any particular stakeholder, including consumers or lobbyists.

    maybe they plan to drive the price tag higher. who ever with the most money wins the law?

  2. The only trouble... by tkrotchko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Today's status quo is not good for consumers. Copyright terms are far too long.

    I'd personally like to see a differentiation between corporate copyrights (short) to personal copyrights (longer, but shorter than present).

    Its a sad day when just keeping the current unfavorable copyright laws are considered a "win" by the voters.

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    1. Re:The only trouble... by adjuster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Today's status quo is not good for consumers. Copyright terms are far too long.

      I'd personally like to see a differentiation between corporate copyrights (short) to personal copyrights (longer, but shorter than present).

      Copyright takes ideas and works away from general use and duplication by society for the good of the copyright holder-- presumably to the ultimate benefit of society. If we're going to have long terms for copyright, the copyright holder needs to give back to society throughout the term.

      Lots of ideas have been floated-- copyright renewal fees (potentially increasing as the term grows), automatic return to the public domain if works are no longer sold or "maintained", shorter terms for specific types of work, etc. I don't know what the "answer" is, but I think that it's vitally important that these proposals for "revision" to copyright become the fodder of discussion with lawmakers, not just between concerned citizens / geeks on Slashdot .

      Its a sad day when just keeping the current unfavorable copyright laws are considered a "win" by the voters.

      The public needs to be more involved, and better informed. If we, the concerned few, can figure out how to get the strength of public ire behind us-- e.g. if we can really make the public see how evil the copyright cartels are, we might just get somewhere. We need to work to teach the public the truth-- that copyright infringement is not "piracy", that the public's opinion of what copyright should be should define what copyright is, and that there are business models we haven't even thought of yet that can work for compensation content creators w/o requiring the leeches that are the "publishing industry" to exert their "tax" on the system.

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  3. Prediction for the future by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given the choices outlined in the news article (do nothing or set government royalty schedules) the current government is going to do nothing, favoring the free market approach. I think that anyone can see that coming.

    I don't think that anyone is afraid of piracy so much that they will accept government royalty schedules.

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  4. Just in time, too! by theluckyleper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, after Mickey Mouse and Sonny Bono have had their pokes, and the DMCA has been enacted... NOW they decide "no more changing the copyright legislation"?!

    Isn't this a little LATE?!

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    1. Re:Just in time, too! by Patrick · · Score: 4, Interesting
      So, after Mickey Mouse and Sonny Bono have had their pokes, and the DMCA has been enacted... NOW they decide "no more changing the copyright legislation"?!

      Isn't this a little LATE?!

      What, you think Congress was done passing copyright-related legislation? If this recommendation prevents the Hollings bill, the INDUCE Act, Congressional endorsement of the broadcast flag, or any of the other proposals on the table now/recently, it will still be useful.

      I'd love to see the DMCA and the CTEA (the Sonny Bono act) repealed, but stopping future copyright madness is still better than nothing.

    2. Re:Just in time, too! by Aidtopia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Those of us who are arguing for revisions of copyright law need to stop using Mickey Mouse as the example. Without the Sono Bono copyright extension, Mickey Mouse would not have entered the public domain. The cartoon the Mickey debuted in, Steamboat Willie, would have entered the public domain, not the mouse himself.

      What's the difference? Well, for one, Mickey Mouse is also protected as a trademark. If Steamboat Willie had become public domain, then you could have probably distributed copies of the original cartoon or used small bits of it in a larger work without getting Disney's approval. But you'd quickly be in hot water if you created and distributed a "new" Mickey Mouse cartoon, since Disney could rightly argue that you're infringing their trademark.

      Furthermore, Disney could claim that a new Mickey Mouse cartoon is a derivative of one of their more recent Mickey Mouse cartoons that is still within the copyright period. I suppose this would be a gray area. I've never heard a discussion of how copyright terms apply to a series of works that are derivatives of each other. Certainly the newer works are entitled to their full copyright term even after the original one expires. So unless the hypothetical new cartoon was demonstrably a derivative solely of Steamboat Willie and nothing newer, Disney could make a case.

    3. Re:Just in time, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Having even Steamboat Willie available to freely derive from will be a big help. You can create a piece of art using a trademark so long as you're not using the trademark to sell anything. True, it'd be inviting lawsuits from a known litigious company, but it'd be fun.

      I do think that we focus too much on Mickey Mouse, though. He's not that big a revenue source for Disney. At least not compared to the thousands of other works they are locking up in near-perpetuity that we think of as little more than a side effect. It's the other way around: the extending of copyright on Mickey is a side effect of the extending of copyright on everything else.

  5. Re:Good!!! by JOhn-E+G · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would have to agree that it is a good first step. Let me say that we have a long way to go before we see change, our government isn't exactly fast moving when it comes to structual changes such as this. But if they start looking at it it would be good. In spite of the fact that they decided to recomend no change at least they didn't side with coporations which probably would make it harder for the small developer guy.

  6. To paraphrase Flava Flav by vandelais · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You can't truss the CBO.

    They come out with numbers that cannot be relied upon.

    Remember Ross Perot's pie charts 12 years ago?
    They were based on CBO numbers and look how wrong they turned out to be.

    They are also behind the myth that the social security trust fund will go bankrupt. A few years ago, they said it would go broke in 2039. Now they say 2047. Next year it will be 2055. It's all based on bogus assumptions of low productivity growth and the senior citizen demographic being completely unwiling/unable to work into what are traditionally called the retirement years.

    If the CBO cannot be trusted to accurately calculate known mathematical functions of government programs, how can they even come close to estimating the benefits and drawbacks of abstract and dynamic legal protections in a rapidly changing world economic environment?

    AND!

    THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT WE'RE TALKIING ABOUT.

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  7. RIAA is the tail that wags the dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Found this interesting... the RIAA is the one doing all the suing, legal nastiness, etc... but here's a quote from TFA...

    [i]The gross revenues of the core copyright industries totaled $441.4 billion in 2002 and were distributed as shown in Figure 1-1. Nearly a third of that total ($143.4 billion) came from the newspaper, periodical, and book publishing industries. [b]The music industry[/b], which generated $13.9 billion in gross revenues in 2002, [b]is the smallest segment[/b]. (See Box 1-1 for details on the interpretation of data on gross revenues.) [/i]
    (emphasis mine)
    The "Box 1-1" referred to is here: http://www.cbo.gov/docimages/573801.gif

  8. Re:duh? by xoboots · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think that the government is a mere reflection of its citizens because it's pretty sad when someone makes a movie about eating at McDonalds and getting fat and the people rave about it.

    That's not sad--what's sad is that there is a NEED to make such a movie. Its sad that people can't connect the dots on their own. Its sad how stupid many people are willing to be--even WANT to be. It is also sad that some people truly believe that government is a reflection of its citizens. If that was ever true, it certainly isn't now. For one thing, it assumes that citizens are basically the same and that each wield the same power, which is ludicrous.

  9. Not as benign as it looks on the surface by norbert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you read the article carefully, you'll notice how they stress that the fair use rights aren't really rights and should be decided by courts on case-by-case basis. There is a fairly illuminating analysis of legality of ripping CDs in there for instance. In general the CBO's positions is pretty radical, in my opinion, on the issue of how little is actually protected by the fair use principle (as well as their meandering around the frist sale principle). This goes along the lines of the fair use area of the copyright law being unregulated (as opposed to, say, given by a statute), and while some people think that this is good (say Lessig seems to be of that opinion), CBO, on the other hand, seems to think that this is a good basis to declare these unregulated uses as infringing.

    I think the poster is a little more optimistic about this study than the content actually warrants.

    norbert

  10. Re:Good!!! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only honest politician is the ONE THAT STAYS BOUGHT. Didn't you ever hear that cliche before?

    And the answer to your second question is- because there's nobody else to vote for, at least yet. Eventually there will be- I'm involved in the process of a new political party based on middle class morals and middle class finances- but our website won't be out until November (and our maximum donation limit is $10 per person, $500,000 total for our Presidential Campaign, just to show that we aren't bought and we know how to use money better than the major parties do).

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  11. Re:duh? by alptraum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I never saw the film, however I honestly think it was a good idea, it hopefully awoken atleast a few people to the health risks of eating fast food.

    Now yes, I'm vegetarian and haven't touched burgers and frys and the like in years and you may know better too, but does the general populus know? Obviously not looking at the increasing waist sizes of Americans. Go to sit-down restaurants, the portions have absolutely ballooned in size, most restaurants serve entrees with enough for 2-3 people, and that's just dinner alone, not counting appetizers and desert, I have no idea how people can eat that much.

    To me, it would seem that after a while you would catch yourself, you'd wake up one day and wow, boy am I fat or your health starts to seriously degrade and you'd start thinking about all those Big Macs, but obviously not.

    The obvious, obviously isn't obvious enough for many.

  12. Opus #183,193,472,294,274,394,123,423,045,123,785 by deathcloset · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Im often guilty of being a bit offtopic, but I'm curious about slashdotters opinions on this.

    Let's say that I create a computer program to compose music.

    Can I copyright the original music it creates? I mean, of course I can, right? - I just submit it as created by me.

    I ask, because it seems to me, theoretically, that I could create every possible permutation of 4 to 8 bar melody (heck lets even go to 16 bar non-repeating). wouldn't that be neat? I could own the copyright to every possible piece of copyrightable music that could be created (well, maybe not EVERY piece, but a whole crapload).

    i suppose my algorithm would need to have the musical notation for every song yet-copyrighted (so as to exclude those possible melodies from generation). But I wouldn't actually need to pay for the copyright on the musical notation for those songs which I am excluding, would I? I mean, it's not a crime to transcribe a song you hear on the radio - so long as you don't preform, distribute or record it. right?

    Imagine a fed ex trailer pulling up to the copyright office with millions of pages of musical score.

    I mean, I could claim me and 10,000 other slashdotters worked together to compose it ;)

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  13. Re:duh? by Draknor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's really going to blow your mind is...

    Would he still have liked what he likes if the companies that produced what he likes weren't spending those millions on it?

  14. Three Stooges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sadly, the Three Stooges are an excellent example about something that should enter the public domain, but never will because of moronic copyright extensions.

    I had a part-time job at Eddie Bauer last Christmas season and worked with 5 or 6 high-schoolers. Whenever I cracked a Stooges joke or quoted one of their famous lines, they would look at me like I had six heads. They all had NO IDEA who the Three Stooges are. Why is that? If you are around my age (mid-30s) your memories of the Stooges are probably something similar to mine: watching them for an hour after school every day, and/or watching them with your father and siblings on Saturday mornings. We grew up with the Stooges. Today's kids don't have that. Why? And why haven't we seen a complete DVD box set of all the Stooges shorts? I suspect is has something to do with the current Stooges copyright owners (the heirs of some of the Stooges) trying to squeeze out every last cent they can.

    Who owns the copyrights to the Stooges? Comedy III Productions. Who are they? They are the decendants of Joe De Rita (Curly Joe). Joe De Rita died in 1993. Under current copyright law, the Stooges will not enter the public until 2083.

    In my opinion, Comedy III Productions has shot themslves in the foot. By not showing the Stooges on free/cable TV at regular times in the classic 3-shorts-per-hour format, they have failed to introduce the Stooges to at least one generation of fans, and perhaps more. If they don't create new fans, who is going to buy Stooges merchandise of pay them for Stooges broadcast rights?

    Sorry for the rant...