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Todd Need[ed] a Liver

Mr. Christmas Lights writes "According to this CNN article, Todd Krampitz's liver transplant operation was a success. What is significant about this is how he used a multi-media campaign to get a donor - this included billboards stating 'I need a Liver. Please help Save my Life' that all pointed to his web site at ToddNeedsALiver.com where you can read more. Certainly a novel use of the World Wide Web."

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  1. i'm glad he's doing well but by polished+look+2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    does this mean that the person who is able to finance a media blitz will be first to receive a liver or other major organ?

    1. Re:i'm glad he's doing well but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact, yes.

      Read the CNN article in which one of the people who works with/for the transplant list group cites that this sets a questionable precident by bypassing standard processes and channels and establishes an unfair and unlevel playing field.

    2. Re:i'm glad he's doing well but by forgoil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hopefully, in the future, we'll simply grow any organs that would be needed. That is unless some idiots stop this particular brand of research, but I hope there are countries who decides that this is still a good idea. Probably not from the kindness of their hearts, but out of lust for money.

    3. Re:i'm glad he's doing well but by I+Be+Hatin' · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In theory, the sickest person that is compatable is supposed to get the organ. In practice, being rich/famous probably gets you moved up a few places, witness Mickey Mantle and David Crosby, who both got liver's soon after their cases were wildly publicized. I think on the flip side, these very public cases help everyone, because more organs get donated.

      I think what would help even more would be if people like Mickey Mantle would die from not getting preferential treatment, just like thousands of normal people do every year. That way, the public would see that there is a need for livers, and not foolishly believe that everyone who needs a liver gets one within a few days.

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      I know god exists. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
    4. Re:i'm glad he's doing well but by phritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um ... my only superstition about this is that if you sell your liver when you die, then only rich people with liver disease will get livers. Poor people with liver disease would have to go way into debt to purchase a free market liver ... or die.

  2. Unbelievable that it's legal by AxelBoldt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it utterly unbelievable that relatives of organ donors can designate a recipient. Only medical criteria should matter. Otherwise, people with the money/wit to start a public relations campaign will be more likely to get an organ. And all that without the approval of the donor! I know that I would have hated to find my liver in this guy.

    1. Re:Unbelievable that it's legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The guy certainly has my sympathies and from his standpoint, I think most of us would have done anything - including what he did and then some - to stay alive. I'm happy for this man, his family and his hottie wife. At the same time, it does seem questionable. What is to prevent people who "donate" organs directly to the recipient from recieving some under-the-table graft? If someone has the money and drive to acquire billboards and various advertising and media attention, certainly they are not beyond outright buying an organ.

    2. Re:Unbelievable that it's legal by dex22 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm sorry you feel that way.


      This guy had two possible doners, critically ill in hospital. instead of hoping one dies, this guy was asking for public prayer and support for these people and their families. Now you might think he sucks because he asked for something and got it, but this man had a choice of Do This Or Die.


      I would be proud to have my liver in this guy. He respects human life.


      Note: He didn't upset the "level playing field" either. He was given low priority for a liver because of the nature of his illness. It's fairer to say he evened the playing field up a little.

    3. Re:Unbelievable that it's legal by andrews · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I want to sell a kidney to the highest bidder I should be able to. If I'm dead, my will should be able to have my organs be auctioned off to benefit my family, or any other beneficiary.

      I own my body, and it's my property to do with as I like in life or death. Any law denying me this natural right is immoral.

    4. Re:Unbelievable that it's legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You joking? Assuming you support people donating to family members if they want to, what if people you know, but aren't related to you want to donate an organ to you incase they die. Then they unexpectedly die in a car crash. This is why its important to allow donations to specific people. Plus the organ list is a joke. This guy needed one so that his cancer wouldn't spread. What if by the time he got one, cancer spreaded to other organs and now he needs a heart, lung, etc. Him getting one early insures he will have a normal life. Which should be the main point of organ transplants. Cure people before they become terminal. Don't make them wait.

    5. Re:Unbelievable that it's legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Health care is a right... not a privilege of the wealthy. To relegate the gift of life to the highest bidder, is immoral. It encourages everyone to be corporate robber barons but, more importantly, it devalues life.

      I assume this is a troll, but my organs are not for sale.. they are for people who need them. I hope more people will look into donating organs, upon their accidental or unintentional death. If you ever need a liver, you better be a multi-millionaire or you'll be dead under your proposed system.

    6. Re:Unbelievable that it's legal by stienman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the medical system starts to allow use of privately obtained or funded organs, then not only will people start selling their own organs - people will start selling other people's organs.

      Further, there is a good chance once that starts happening that 'bad organs' will get into the system. Yeah, it's great to get a liver - too bad you got a disease from it, or it doesn't work, etc.

      There may be ways to tighten the rules somewhat - but there are too many bad doctors out their, nevermind bad people, who will play along with the system and slip something through without following the rules.

      The idea that in order to give an organ you receive no monetary renumeration is a sound principle to prevent many problems.

      In the near future this may be relaxed as medical professionals are able to more easily test and identify problems with random organs that come in the hospital. Until then, though, this system works about as well as possible.

      There is very little information about this particular case, though, and I would like to know exactly how he jumped to the head of the list or dodged around it in order to get one sooner.

      -Adam

  3. Buying Life? by JollyRogerX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't everyone supposed to have an equal chance at getting an organ? Remember Mickey Mantle who pickeled his liver with many decades of hard alcohol? He got a liver ahead of many people then promptly died a few months later. I guess this just proves yet again that some people are more equal that others (namely those with money).

  4. Don't get me wrong... by spacemen3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... I'm happy he's alright, and that the transplant was a success. However, what worries me is the number of people repeatedly passed-over for transplants based on questionable justification.

    Speaking from experience, the donation and subsequent dole-out process is supposed to be on a first-come-first-serve priority, based on compatibility and/or severity. Any attempts to get around this process are not only unfair for those that wait (painstakingly) in line, but also for the unfortunate soul that may have been bumped back a position in favour of the media-savvy Todd.

    Unfortunately we may never know their name, they did not invest in billboards or an online advertising campaign.

    I only hope that the next available donation arrived in time.

  5. Re:Illegal? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your right, I don't think he can personally "buy" an organ, but by him driving a campaign forward and raising awareness of the issues,they will hopefully allow more people to become donars. More donars means more organs, and hopefully the list will get shorter.

    It does not say on his website exactly how he became the recipient, but I find it hard to believe it came from a direct donation specifically to him.

    I believe simply his age and other attributes made him a better donar recipient than (say) a 98 year old guy with other chronic problems, but I may be wrong.

    From the "Donatealife" website, they say the following:


    While donated organs and tissue are shared at the national level, the laws that govern donation vary from state to state. Therefore, it is important for you to know what you can do to ensure your decision to be a donor is carried out.


    He has certainly raised awareness, and I wish him the best of luck in the (now much brighter) future!

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    liqbase :: faster than paper
  6. Re:This is a good use of the web by kunudo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet someone else was first in line for that liver, and died. One mans life for anothers...

  7. You think it's so black and white? by Visceral+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As someone who is seperated by only one degree from Todd and his family (one of our best friends is also good friends with his wife) we've been following this for some time now. You can damm well bet that if it were my family or close friend, I wouldn't not hesitate to do the same thing they did. Only a fool would fail to capitalize on whatever assets they have in order to stay alive.

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    *Fortitudo, aequitas, fidelitas.*
  8. Jumping the queue? by InternationalCow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a perfect world, there would be new organs for all who needed them. In the imperfect world that we have to live in, there are waiting lists. Todd jumped the queue, the donor's liver would otherwise have gone to the number one on the list. One life saved at the expense, possibly, of another. I wish Todd and his family all the best, but I have nagging doubts about the ethicality of this thing. The precedent it sets is potentially nasty. It reminds one of drowning men climbing on each other's shoulders to get to the surface, drowning those beneath them.

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  9. Re:This is a good use of the web by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This also means, if you have money, you can go to the head of the line. Corrupting the other image of the "Web", as the Great Equalizer.

  10. Re:Illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Actually, I'm libertarian, which is decidedly more conservative than republicans when it comes to preserving rights, freedoms, self determination and self-reliance/responsibility.

    And I also am anything but poor. And yes, my money is earned through hard work and not through inheritance (not that there's anything wrong with that either).

    But there is a transplant list for a reason and if we reduce it to a "he with the most money gets the live" situation, there are going to be a lot of deserving people out htere who are cast aside for little other reason than their caste in society. Take a young child, for example. A young child who might get a very needed transplant soon, according to a list, but dies anyway because all of the organs are being siphoned off by personal deals.

    As I already stated, I feel for the guy and anyone in the same position would eagerly have done what he did and more to remain alive. My tenacity and desire to remain living does not in anyway mean that those who operate the transplant list and oversee medical transplants in general should look the other way and allow these private transactions.

  11. Re:Illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How many of you religious nuts refuse to donate your organs because of some weird jesus-freak rationality? I've heard stories from countless jesus-freaks who would never consider signing up to be a donar because they think that there's some sort of holy blasphemy in giving up a part of you that will never again be needed post-death to help continue the life of another person.

    Certainly, there's nothing more Christian than refusing someone a chance at life and begrudgingly taking it to the grave with you. Amen and praise jebus!

  12. This is the United States... by robochan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...where you also can't buy a baby

    but you can buy the sperm, you can buy the egg,
    and you can rent the uterus.

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    ...Rob
    The American Dream isn't an SUV and a house in the suburbs; it's Don't Tread On Me.
  13. Should I be selling my organs? by davidfromoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I work in the medical industry and know it to be fully driven by the same financial considerations as most other industries.

    I am an organ doner, happily. I am an organ doner because I hope that if I die, my organs can be used to the most needy recipient. If they go to a person who has the cash to bend the rules, then I think they better just pay me or my family.

  14. Re:Illegal? by QuantumFTL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By the way - his girlfriend is hot. Too bad they seem like a couple of religious nuts.

    Mods: I don't know about you, but this seems a lot like flaimbait.

    Seriously, I don't understand why this type of speech is moderated up on slashdot. Saying it's "too bad" that someone "seems to be a religious nut" because they have one frickin bible verse on their web site borders on bigotry. It's one thing to disagree with someone's views, but to pity someone because they have faith in a higher power... would this be modded up if it read "He seems really nice, it's a shame that he's gay"?

    The poster has every right to say it, but should we really be promoting these kinds of things with our mod points?

    Justin

    P.S. I'm no big fan of political correctness but sometimes the anti-religious bias on this site drives me crazy.