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Wired on Defeating the Olympics Censorship

An anonymous reader writes "As discussed on Slashdot recently, Internet footage of Olympics events are being censored for US citizens. Wired.com is covering the issue in a recent story, discussing ways of defeating these measures. Duane Wessels, developer of the Squid caching proxy, and Len Sassaman, Mixmaster anonymity software author, are interviewed. Are they correct? Is geolocation content censorship impossible?"

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  1. what ought to be done to your media by xutopia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Up north of you the Olympics are on public TV, down south of you is the same thing. Wait a second only in the US is this known of. Now isn't it sad to see that people are all up in arms because the Olympics aren't coming through but don't give a damn when it's news you're not getting? I guess what they don't know doesn't hurt them.

    1. Re:what ought to be done to your media by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can you just think how boring the coverage would be if the USA sent PBS as our national TV representives at the games? Since what NBC is doing is being made available to other nations' media outlets through a content sharing relationship, a lower quality USA feed would effect a lot of smaller nations' TV outlets.

      NBC plays a big role in the internal "world feeds" that those smaller networks need in order to do anything at all.

    2. Re:what ought to be done to your media by drfireman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      xutopia wrote: "Now isn't it sad to see that people are all up in arms because the Olympics aren't coming through but don't give a damn when it's news you're not getting? I guess what they don't know doesn't hurt them."

      There's a kernel of truth to this -- there are many people who care more about the Olympics than about sports. But the main reason it appears this way at the moment is that the poor Olympics coverage is news, while the poor coverage of world events (in the US) is something that's been going on for many years. If you base your impressions of what's important to people (e.g., US citiziens) on what you read in the news media, then it's quite natural you will tend to think what concerns them is whatever is topical. This is just a misunderstanding of what it means for something to be "news." It would be very strange to see the same front page stories every day, with titles like, "americans continue to be frustrated by comically poor news coverage for the 50th consecutive year." I suspect the US isn't alone in having problems that concern many people but that aren't in the newspaper every day. But I could be mistaken.

      To be a bit more concise, you're mistaken in concluding that people don't know about and don't give a damn about poor news coverage. Many, many people do, and we have given a damn for a long, long time. Too few, I'm sure. But it's nothing new, and you shouldn't confuse what's new with what's important. The Olympics stuff is new, and deserves topical reporting. The general problems with the news are very old, but not particularly topical.

      Now if someone took a survey and found that residents of the US would rather fix Olympic coverage than world news coverage, that would indeed be depressing. And it would be news.

  2. Olympics is a facist event by t_allardyce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Never mind about that, what about this!!
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/35 65616.st m

    The Olympics have officially sold out (probably years ago but hey) you are not allowed into watch any of the games if you are wearing clothing thats clearly showing logos of a non-sponsering company. All non-sponsership adverts were pulled from bill-boards for miles around the grounds and you arnt allowed to eat anything other than mcdonalds or drink any water (consider the heat) thats not official Olympic water (read overpriced water).

    Couldnt care less about the Olympics its nothing more than an advertising platform or a test-ground for new drugs. But damn its making someone a shit load of cash and i wanna be that someone..

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    1. Re:Olympics is a facist event by Skater · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, interesting. My favorite line in the article:

      Industry experts say it is the purity of the Olympic name that makes it so attractive a target.

      It won't be if the sponsors keep that up! Actually, we're probably already past that point.

      Of course, any sporting event is clogged with advertisements these days, and it can be a real turn off. I was at an AHL (minor league, essentially) ice hockey game a year or two ago, and there were advertisements everywhere. Even the power plays, which have been a part of hockey for a long time were now "sponsored". The worst part though was when they brought the little kids out to play during one of the breaks: the referee, a girl that was about 8 years old, even had an advertisement on the back of her jersey. No opportunity to advertise was missed.

      Off-topic, but interesting and sad.

      --RJ

    2. Re:Olympics is a facist event by Ralph+Yarro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is just like an amusement park that allows no food to go through the entry gates (which you have to pay $25 to walk through in the first place) while charging $4.95 for 32 ounces of cola in a "collector's cup".

      Yes, it is. Once upon a time the olympics were aimed at being something other than that. It didn't last long, but it's always sad to hear further examples.

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    3. Re:Olympics is a facist event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      > Everything done nowadays is to promote something.

      Allow me to point out that during the Lillehammer winter olympic in 1994 much was based on volunteer work.

      Not everything is about money you know. Also the Norwegian language (Lillehammer is in Norway) has this word "dugnad" which is what it was about and that I see few equivalents for in the other languages I know of.

    4. Re:Olympics is a facist event by jabuzz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fine by me, let's leave it in Athens on a perminant basis. Heck they even have 14 ski resorts so they could do the Winter Olympics as well. Would solve the problem with IOC members taking back handers in an instant. It would also save a shed load of money with not having to construct new facilities every four years and the resultant impact on the enviroment. The Olympics are Greek after all so hold them in Greece (I am not remotely Greek in anyway in case you are wondering).

    5. Re:Olympics is a facist event by avdp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have no problems with that suggestion. Let's see if the Greeks would agree with that. Even if you could reuse the stadiums over and over (which you can't, eventually you have to renovate or rebuild), it will still cost them hundreds of millions each time. Maybe each country that participate could share the costs? Doubtful considering that the US (for example) won't even pay it's UN bill on time (if at all).

      It would be a bit of a shame though (I could get over it though) because part of the allure of the modern games, as a spectator, is the different city and culture every time. Makes our world feel a lot smaller than it really is (which is part of the goals of the games too).

  3. Truer words were never spoken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Juan Antonio Samaranch is a Fascist. Cohort of Franco and all...

    IIRC, he resigned a while ago, but he sure set the tone for the whole damn Olympics.

  4. It's possible, alright by BubbaThePirate · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's just not very practical.
    I mean, it's tough enough for Joe Sixpack to use teh intarweb, so adding an extra layer of proxies and SSH port forwarding mechanisms, just to watch the Olympics is waaay too much work. Paying the Corporate Tax is more feasible.
    It may catch on with the tech crowd. However, someone has to pay for the bandwidth, and I can't imagine it being reliable, so...

    You want to end this "We bought exclusive rights for North America" crap?
    Do it the ole fashioned way - fight through congress, by sending letters to the companies, by boycotting as much as you can (since in these days of corporate owned everything, you're bound to boycott too much for it to be practical).
    Vote for third parties. Encourage others to do so as well. Show the Republicrats the votes they're slowly losing. Big Money can fund your campaign, but someone still has to vote for you.

    It might fail.
    But it's worth a try.

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  5. Didn't the US go apeshit over this before... by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1, Interesting

    when more conservative countries in the middle east and NK, China were/are censoring what their people are allowed to see... saying it violates the rights of 'free people'.

    I think it's time for people to stop urinating on the constitution. Sadly, it's not just those who hate America. It's the very politicians who accuse everyone of hating america.

    200 years later America is still only for upper class white males between the ages of 18-35 gainfully employed with an automobile, and a dwelling of at least 2 bedrooms for rent (in a neighborhoood deemed 'middle class' or better) or a dwelling of at least 2 bedrooms which they own or pay a morgage no more than 20 years on.

    I'm sure there's more to add to the above, but it's just to depressing.

  6. Re:How is different from others? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The (modern) olympics started with high ideals, brining the world together and stuff. That's the difference. It's been a long time now since anyone's been able to pretend it's about anything except money, but it still strikes some of us as sad.

  7. getting the message across to NBC by rtphokie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the best way to make NBC understand that they their coverage style isn't appreciated is to tell them:

    nbcolympicsfeedback@nbcuni.com

    They've got the monopoly so they will get the ratings regardless so the message to send them is that you'd love to watch more but find the overemphasis of successful americans and inane chatter of Costas and Couric to much to take.

  8. Not only in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want to correct one thing. In these articles, it is always stated that the Olympics are being censored for US citizens. Nothing is further from the truth!

    In Belgium, the national station has only the rights to broadcast 6 hours live per day, because they could not pay more. Furthermore, they don't have the rights to put video reports about the Olympics on their news and sports site, not even for Belgian citizens.

  9. Oh, for non-biased reporting... by bitslinger_42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I guess I can understand NBC's position: they've paid enormously for this, so they should be able to try and make some of the money back. There's not very many people who would be up at 4 in the morning to watch a swim meet, but there's a bunch who'll watch the same thing in the evening. Trying to sell ads for $1 million per second at 04:00 would be a disaster.

    What really annoys me, though, is being forced to listen to such blatantly political commentary. What am I talking about, you ask? During the opening ceremony, those morons doing the commentary for NBC made every attempt to point out the places where Islamic groups were "causing" strife. They couldn't seem to resist talking about the problems in the Sudan caused by the Muslims. They also made every effort to talk up how much the US has helped our little brown brothers we liberated in Afghanistan and Iraq, and had the gall to complain about the torture used by the Iraqi training program! I guess torture is OK in the name of national defense but not in the name of national pride.

    For all the high-falootin' ideals that the Olympics supposedly stand for, it makes me want to puke every time I hear the American media make some snide comment so they can use the forum to propegate a political agenda.

  10. Not that I support this by billsf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    NOS, here in Holland is sending its feed to one provider only, KPN, and using their infrastructure as a 'giant lan'. (Actually it's a mbone setup on the fake 'A' range like 227.0.0.0/8.) KPN does not offer great bandwidth, so it may require a few ADSL lines coming into a real provider to proxy it fully.

    Apart from a stunt like the above, (which is probably going to cost KPN its Internet business) it is technically difficult to limit a true netcast. I was rather surprised how easy it was to get on the BBC netcast without paying. This is only for hack sake. The price BBC charges is fair and I intend to subscribe. They should completely ditch the .ram (RealAudio) format if they want to sell more subscriptions. ADPCM (.wmf) works and is not patentable and the MPEG formats, particularly 4, are far better. BBC is known for innovation, so when they get MPEG4 and .ogg audio in a streaming container like .avi they have lots of new customers.

  11. The wrong question's being asked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is geolocation content censorship impossible?

    The real question is: Is unified moral restraint possible when enforcement isn't?

    Or, to put it another way: Should human action and decision be based on principles, or on the expected action of the lowest common denominator?

  12. Re:How is different from others? by GodOfNothing · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >I do admit the "no logo clothing" regulation is a >bit weird.

    There is a reasonable explanation for this. It seems that the companies, like nike, adidas, etc which are not official sponsors have attempted in previous years to "ambush" the events.

    What this means is plastering the city with their billboards, changing their advertising to suggest a connection to the Olympics where there is none, or to pay large groups of people to wear their logos and attract attention to themselves in the stadium and therefore on the television screens.

    This regulation is a nuisance to individual fans, but is part of a crucial strategy on the part of the organisers. Sponsors pay large amounts of money to become exclusive sponsors of the Olympic Games. These funds are crucial in funding the games, and ambush campaigns could mean a lot of lost revenue to the games.

  13. Re:US and ISREAL both BOOED in ATHENS? by tisme · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know about Israel but I was watching the opening coverage (in Canada) and while our commentators were worried about a "cool" US reception, the said that there was more applause than most other teams were getting for the US team. I don't remember them commenting anything about Israel but for Iran there was almost a deafening silence. (Iraq on the other hand received a nice ovation).

  14. Re:Dear smug self-important Canadian Prick, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Gee, I wonder why.

  15. Re:It's not censored, we pay for the BBC by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm. perhaps I'll have to ask my parents if the harassment has resumed. Their semi-detached is peppered with aerials (from the previous owners), and the inspectors seem utterly convinced that television is a necessity.
    But if you don't own a television, it is not necessary to pay the license fee. It's not a poll tax. I suppose a nicely worded letter from a solicitor might help-- but his fees would probably eclipse any possible savings.

  16. Re:Much Ado Over ... by Gallowglass · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You wrote:

    "It takes a special kind of person to deride an international event based on the ideals of self improvement, national pride, and respect for other countries."

    I believe the parent post was primarily about the coverage by the American TV corporations. The bit about the torch was an aside. (And I agree with your opinion on that.)

    The problem with showing only events where The Glorious US wins is that it panders to a rather degoutant idea: that America Rules All.

    Nor is Olympic coverage the only example of this refusal to let Americans see that any other nation might be an equal. American movies are notorious for changing history so that The Heroic Americans Rescue the World (All By Themselves.)

    From a review of the movie "U-571" by Dr. Timothy P. Mulligan, archivist at the National Archives and Records Administration, specializing in captured German and related World War II records:

    That Mostow (director) falls so short in historical accuracy is not entirely his fault. In choosing a naval topic that conforms to Hollywood war film conventions, he is obligated to depict a handful of Americans battling overwhelming odds but inevitably victorious against a cruel, implacable yet flawed enemy. The real elements that fashioned victory close cooperation among the Allies, and the systematic development of their combined human and natural resources to produce an irresistible material and technological superiority do not translate well in cinematic terms, and more importantly do not reflect American popular culture's archetypes and self-images. [my emphasis] In replicating these conventions and populating his crew with familiar stereotypes (e.g., the young officer too close to his men, the salty chief petty officer who educates his superior), U-571 has achieved success, reigning for two weeks as the No. 1 film in the United States.

    This paradoxical blend of bad history and mass appeal may concern today's historical profession, but future historians may well be indebted to Mostow for his snapshot of American values and attitudes toward World War II at the turn of the millennium. If not, they will at least be in his debt for a good laugh and a renewed appreciation of Das Boot.

    I don't slag this meme becuase it doesn't give others proper credit. That's a moral question, and I'm always rather queasy about imposing my morality on ohters. However, is it an ethical position? Does it give proper credits to people you call friends and allies? Do you expect them to love and admire you when you slight them thus?

    This attitude, I would also argue, is septic in that it deludes the American population into thinking that they are omnipotent, and that no one could ever be better or stronger or more clever than an American.

    The ancient Greeks called this hubris, and they said that the gods punish it.

  17. Re:US and ISREAL both BOOED in ATHENS? by technogogo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps the luke warm reception for Iran may have been related to one of their competitors withdrawing from an event after being drawn to compete against an Isreali? Something to do with Iran not recognise Isreal as a state... or something like that. Guess its not the first time something like that has happened. I'd like to see the 2016 Olympics in either Tel Aviv or Riyadh. That would make for an interesting games.

  18. Same thing in Canada by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hmmm... later on there was coverage that was almost exclusively the US team, with a minute or two of coverage of other teams

    I'm sitting up here in Ontario, watching the Olympics on CBC, and it's the same thing. In the US television concentrates on the American team; in Canada television concentrates on the Canadian team. I watched the Sydney games in Scotland, and they concentrated on the British athletes. Why should that be so strange?

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  19. Re:American movie depictions of history? by andreyw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But then the producers and directors of the movie should *explicitely* state that the movie is *utterly* for entertainment purposes only, *completely* fictional, has no historical basis, and that *no* part of the film should be taken as truth.

    There are enough dim bulbs out there that will and *do* believe otherwise, because this is NOT done.