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dbaker writes "Wired Magazine has a very interesting article about the future of optical networks and the barriers we face before this technology is commonplace."

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  1. A "light" transistor to the rescue! by erick99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The buckyball layer produces what sounds like a transistor of sorts:

    The gluing process creates a material composed of larger electron-rich molecules with sufficient power to cause light that passes through to control the direction of other light, providing the switching capability, Sargent said.

    With switching occuring at the speeds available through a layer such as that, there would be an incredible decrease in cumulative latency across the 'net. That is, if all or most of the switches are as above.

    Superconnect's Lehenbauer agrees that "it's fascinating" to have material for an optical switch, but warns "it could be awhile until an all-optical network is possible."

    I wonder what the cost of those type "devices" will be - both direct in terms of the devices and indirect in terms of whatever infrastructure is required to implement them. Well, either way, it's great sounding technology.

    Cheers,

    Erick

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    1. Re:A "light" transistor to the rescue! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What I don't get- couldn't you accomplish the same thing by encoding the addressing into the color layer and just using a prisim for a switch?

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  2. Universal access first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we have universal access and better content first please?

    -Johan

    PS> Oh yeah, contribute to wikipedia.

    1. Re:Universal access first by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Funny

      Considering the nature of the Internet, aren't those two mutually exclusive?

  3. CONTENT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whats the point of blazing high speeds without the content???

    Net's content value improvement rate is trending downwards ..

    1. Re:CONTENT!! by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the same reason we can now get hundreds of TV channels ... with a similar downtrend in content. Of course, a large part of the problem (IMHO) is that more people want to be content consumer than content creators. Where is that quality and quantity of content supposed to come from? Someone else. There are too few "someone elses" out there compare to all the wanna-be critics who chew up the content that exists and spit it out.

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    2. Re:CONTENT!! by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Net's content value improvement rate is trending downwards ..

      And you're not helping the situation any...

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  4. Meh by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny

    Call me when they reach ludicrous speed. Here's hoping the data doesn't all turn to plaid;-)

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  5. Imagine... by databoing · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Beowulf Cluster of.....

    AAAARRRGHH! My Eyes!!

  6. Service in Texas by samtihen · · Score: 5, Informative

    I few weeks ago I saw that Verizon is starting with some 15mbps lines in Kellar, Texas.

    http://news.com.com/Verizon's+fiber+race+is+on/210 0-1034_3-5275171.html

    I heard the price was going to be only 44.95 a month. With this kind of speed VoIP and Video communication, as well as video on demand, finally seem pretty feasible.

  7. Re:magnetic media by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Right! Just get a bunch of fibre optic cards and plug a loopback into each of them. Pipe your data into the interface, and it'll go 'round and 'round until you need to access it later.

    Need more capacity? Just fashion a longer loopback cable, so it can hold more light.

  8. Great, speed of light infections too by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You think it's hard getting a win32 broadband box on the net now? Wait till there are all-optical switches! You'll be hosed before the light from the screen reaches your eyeballs!

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  9. Re:What about Ethernet? by Kenja · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Do you really think that people are going to give up the ease of ethernet when your typical broadband maxes out at 1.5Mbit/s? I predict a painfully slow death of ethernet, which will probably go the way of the floppy drive."

    Eh? You seem to be very confused. Ethernet is not limited to the dinky little 10/100 network I assume you'r running. The gigabit fiber optic network I've got is also ethernet.

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  10. Faster! by MarcoPon · · Score: 4, Funny
    We can do better than that.
    What we need is Bistromathic signaling tech!

    Bye!

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  11. The next step in optical networks: by homeobocks · · Score: 5, Funny
    $ beam me up, eth0
    I sure hope none of my packets are lost.
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  12. The Bottleneck by Louis+Savain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Superconnect's Lehenbauer agrees that "it's fascinating" to have material for an optical switch, but warns "it could be awhile until an all-optical network is possible." Lehenbauer said switches and routers must identify individual packets and route data intelligently, tasks that are not possible using a simple optical switch. "Unless you have an optical computer inside the switch to make these decisions, you'll still need electronic components."

    Therein lies the bottleneck. Unless we develop optical computers (not for a while), we still need electronic switches and computers to analyze the content of the optical data in order to make intelligent decisions as to which direction the data should be channelled to.

    Not to minimize the importance of this development, but until we do have optical computers, we are condemned to live life in the slow lane. But then again, someone may think of a clever way around this problem without using optical computers. One never knows.

  13. Smokey the Bear says... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    When using your 100Gb fiber-optic internet at the campgrounds, always practice safety. Surround your network card with rocks to keep the fire from spreading. Be sure when you're done with your internet to put it out with a bucket of water and make sure it has stopped smoking before you leave the area.

    Remember what Smokey the Bear says. Only you can prevent your 100Gb fiber-optic internet connection from starting a forest fire.

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  14. Planning for the Future by The+Subliminal+Kid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Redundancy may soon be more vital than speed.

    Once the internet was designed to withstand problems (a euphemism for a nuclear strike) at multiple nodes but since commercial interest like to keep as many things as possible in one building we see today that a small fire in a maintenance tunnel has a dramatic effect on the over all network latency. There just isn't as much redundancy as there used to be and that may be worse for us all than your download time for SP2.

  15. Optical routers already exist by cayblood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bell Labs invented them in 1999.

  16. "You do not need *light* to get *speed of light*! by PaulBu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... as my former advisor Prof K. Likharev used to say. When you send a sharp electrical pulse down a matched transmission line/waveguide it propagates with, you guessed it, speed of light in the medium. If your insulator is the same SiO2 they use for optical fiber you will get the same speed as in the fiber!

    The problem with traditional voltage-based electronics at 40G speeds is that when you drive a SiGi/InP/GaAs transistor that fast it dissipates LOTS of power (measured in Watts per handful of transistors). Moreover, CV^2f/2 power dissipation when you constantly charge/discharge line capacitance to ~1V operating voltage is significant. And of course the maximum operating speed of any substantial logic is determined not by transistor speed but by RC constants of the wiring.

    Now, if one departs from traditional transistor logic design, say, to superconductor electronics (which I've spent all my life designing up until the beginning of this year, when my current employer decided to "discontinue that effort"), you can start from a clear sheet of paper. In superconductor case, first of all you lose R in RC, not bad! Second is that when temperatures are that cold, thermal noise (~kBT) is small and operating voltages (pulse amplitudes in our case) could be ~1 mV, not ~1V, and Josephson junctions are pretty happy generating ~1ps wide pulses.

    The downside is having to deal with refrigiration, one would not see this technology on the end user's desktop any time soon, but for the telco switching center it is almost doable.

    My personal estimates (well, down to the complete circuit diagrams ;-) ) showed that we could make a 128x128 non-blocking self-routing packet switching matrix at 60Gbps/line that could fit on the palm of one's hand, and after packaging with refrigerator fit on half a rack.

    The "packet" feature is important, often when "optical computing" people talk about their switches they conveniently omit the fact that while switch might be fast enough for some 120GHz of bandwidth the re-configuration of that takes milliseconds (think long-haul traditional SONET lines), we were talking about routing/re-configuration at ~256 bits packet length (think TCP/IP).

    Oh, well, it's a pity that I can not work on this stuff now, it was -> |- THIS close to actually coming up with a viable demo/product. Maybe some day...

    Paul B.

    pbunyk (at) lycos (dot) com

    P.S. Google for SFQ/RSFQ for more info

  17. Light speed is damn close. by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Insightful


    1s. Minimal human decision time. Light travels 3e8m
    1e-1s. Minimal human reaction time.
    1e-2s. Minimal human recognition (sensory reaction) time.
    1e-3s (1ms). Sensible task switching time.
    1e-4s. in-task high level function time.
    1e-5s. in-task medium level function time.
    1e-6s (1us). Single microcontroller instruction; in-task low-level function time.
    1e-7s Single high-speed microcontroller instruction.
    1e-8s Single low-end CPU or DSP instruction time. Light travels 3m.
    1e-9s (1ns) Single modern CPU time, light travels 0.3m
    1e-10s A single modern CPU gate reaction time. Light travels 3cm, just above 1 inch.

    Using standard $8 24bit ADC you can get down to the 3cm level with a $3 1MHZ microcontroller.
    Using 1Gbit interface, your bits moving at light speed are 30cm away from each other.
    A 300m LAN won't allow ping roundtrip shorter than 2 microseconds.
    A 3000km (global network games) line WILL introduce perceptible delay.
    A CPU of 3 GHZ just has to have its cache built in. Memory placed 3cm away causes 1 cycle long request-response roundtrip.

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  18. Re:magnetic media by dmayle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The joke's on you. Besides being thought of before (as mentioned by another poster), it's how Cray used to store memory for their super computers. There was a wire that went from the output to the input, and the clock was timed to match the duration of the electron transfer through that wire...