A "light" transistor to the rescue!
by
erick99
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· Score: 5, Interesting
The buckyball layer produces what sounds like a transistor of sorts:
The gluing process creates a material composed of larger electron-rich molecules with sufficient power to cause light that passes through to control the direction of other light, providing the switching capability, Sargent said.
With switching occuring at the speeds available through a layer such as that, there would be an incredible decrease in cumulative latency across the 'net. That is, if all or most of the switches are as above.
Superconnect's Lehenbauer agrees that "it's fascinating" to have material for an optical switch, but warns "it could be awhile until an all-optical network is possible."
I wonder what the cost of those type "devices" will be - both direct in terms of the devices and indirect in terms of whatever infrastructure is required to implement them. Well, either way, it's great sounding technology.
Cheers,
Erick
-- http://www.busyweather.com/
Re:A "light" transistor to the rescue!
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TrumpetPower!
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· Score: 3, Interesting
"Light" transistor, indeed!
One of my first thoughts upon reading the article was that that's exactly what they've created--an optical transistor.
It gets even better. The original transistor originally played a huge role in replacing human operators in telephone network switches. That also seems to be the first target for this new breed of transistor.
Surely, the optical computer just became much more of a possibility. Yeah, we're still a long way from an optical IC, but this is a big step on that path.
Cheers,
b&
-- All but God can prove this sentence true.
Re:A "light" transistor to the rescue!
by
Noctambulus
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· Score: 3, Interesting
The gluing process creates a material composed of larger electron-rich molecules with sufficient power to cause light that passes through to control the direction of other light, providing the switching capability, Sargent said.
With switching occuring at the speeds available through a layer such as that, there would be an incredible decrease in cumulative latency across the 'net. That is, if all or most of the switches are as above.
Although I am by no means a router expert, it would seem logical that a majority of the latency in the network is caused by the actual reception and subsequent "analysis" of the packets. After all, the "response time", or "spped" of electricity is at best close to the speed of light.
Thus, a majority of the time spent when moving packets around is probably spent on the routers, when processing the information. As such, switching to light based media should not have a noticable effect latency.
However, with the change of media, more data can probably be sent through the pipe, therefore increasing the overall speed of transfer in a favourable way.
Regardless, the technology certainly sounds exciting.
-- "In regione caecorum rex est luscus" -Desiderius Erasmus
Re:A "light" transistor to the rescue!
by
Marxist+Hacker+42
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· Score: 4, Interesting
What I don't get- couldn't you accomplish the same thing by encoding the addressing into the color layer and just using a prisim for a switch?
-- SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Right! Just get a bunch of fibre optic cards and plug a loopback into each of them. Pipe your data into the interface, and it'll go 'round and 'round until you need to access it later.
Need more capacity? Just fashion a longer loopback cable, so it can hold more light.
Re:magnetic media
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boisepunk
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· Score: 3, Funny
it'll go 'round and 'round until you need to access it later
There was something similar on the Commodore 64, a tape drive. 8 tracks anyone?
-- main(0)
Re:magnetic media
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dmayle
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· Score: 4, Interesting
The joke's on you. Besides being thought of before (as mentioned by another poster), it's how Cray used to store memory for their super computers. There was a wire that went from the output to the input, and the clock was timed to match the duration of the electron transfer through that wire...
Light speed posting
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Mr.+Flibble
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· Score: 3, Funny
I was going to try for a first post - but the speed of light barrier slowed me down.
For the same reason we can now get hundreds of TV channels... with a similar downtrend in content. Of course, a large part of the problem (IMHO) is that more people want to be content consumer than content creators. Where is that quality and quantity of content supposed to come from? Someone else. There are too few "someone elses" out there compare to all the wanna-be critics who chew up the content that exists and spit it out.
-- I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
I heard the price was going to be only 44.95 a month. With this kind of speed VoIP and Video communication, as well as video on demand, finally seem pretty feasible.
Great, speed of light infections too
by
192939495969798999
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· Score: 5, Funny
You think it's hard getting a win32 broadband box on the net now? Wait till there are all-optical switches! You'll be hosed before the light from the screen reaches your eyeballs!
Re:What about Ethernet?
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Kenja
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· Score: 5, Informative
"Do you really think that people are going to give up the ease of ethernet when your typical broadband maxes out at 1.5Mbit/s? I predict a painfully slow death of ethernet, which will probably go the way of the floppy drive."
Eh? You seem to be very confused. Ethernet is not limited to the dinky little 10/100 network I assume you'r running. The gigabit fiber optic network I've got is also ethernet.
--
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
That's some fast 'bots
by
grunt107
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· Score: 3, Insightful
Optical-networking company Infinera is taking another approach... has developed a photonic integrated circuit, a hybrid of optical and electronic technologies... the technology combines discrete functions into a single chip, and can transmit data at speeds of up to 100 Gbps.
Although the 100Gb/s is the max, it would be interesting what the sustained rate would be. This technology seems to have a better light/energy conversion than the 'bucky ball' solution, since it lists 40Gb/s as the transmission rate.
Perhaps the Inifera solution is limited in distance.
The next step in optical networks:
by
homeobocks
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· Score: 5, Funny
$ beam me up, eth0
I sure hope none of my packets are lost.
-- MOUNT TAPE U1439 ON B3, NO RING
The Bottleneck
by
Louis+Savain
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Superconnect's Lehenbauer agrees that "it's fascinating" to have material for an optical switch, but warns "it could be awhile until an all-optical network is possible." Lehenbauer said switches and routers must identify individual packets and route data intelligently, tasks that are not possible using a simple optical switch. "Unless you have an optical computer inside the switch to make these decisions, you'll still need electronic components."
Therein lies the bottleneck. Unless we develop optical computers (not for a while), we still need electronic switches and computers to analyze the content of the optical data in order to make intelligent decisions as to which direction the data should be channelled to.
Not to minimize the importance of this development, but until we do have optical computers, we are condemned to live life in the slow lane. But then again, someone may think of a clever way around this problem without using optical computers. One never knows.
Smokey the Bear says...
by
GillBates0
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· Score: 4, Funny
When using your 100Gb fiber-optic internet at the campgrounds, always practice safety. Surround your network card with rocks to keep the fire from spreading. Be sure when you're done with your internet to put it out with a bucket of water and make sure it has stopped smoking before you leave the area.
Remember what Smokey the Bear says. Only you can prevent your 100Gb fiber-optic internet connection from starting a forest fire.
-- An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
Once the internet was designed to withstand problems (a euphemism for a nuclear strike) at multiple nodes but since commercial interest like to keep as many things as possible in one building we see today that a small fire in a maintenance tunnel has a dramatic effect on the over all network latency. There just isn't as much redundancy as there used to be and that may be worse for us all than your download time for SP2.
Re:Planning for the Future
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dwdm_dude
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Of course, enterprises with high bandwidth needs have typically had to pay through the nose to lease capacity (redundant or not) from the huge phone conglomerates. Now they can reasonably buy their own 100Gbps+ equipment to connect data centers and even justify redundant links due to the cost effectiveness of new enterprise-friendly applications of tried-and-true carrier-grade technology. Celion Networks, for example, ships such systems.
What happens when you put all the switches together and actually have to route the packets, and the next hop is "busy" on that light frequency already?
You would either have to:
a) shift the frequency to a different portion of the light spectrum, or
b) somehow delay the light signal until the previous message is completely transmitted through the router.
But without using a light-electrical-light conversion?
I don't know how a) could be accomplished other than using one laser to pump another (but there would not be enough intensity for that), and using cryogenic sodium to slow the light pulse down long enough is not practical in a low cost router (yet).
"You do not need *light* to get *speed of light*!
by
PaulBu
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· Score: 4, Interesting
... as my former advisor Prof K. Likharev used to say. When you send a sharp electrical pulse down a matched transmission line/waveguide it propagates with, you guessed it, speed of light in the medium. If your insulator is the same SiO2 they use for optical fiber you will get the same speed as in the fiber!
The problem with traditional voltage-based electronics at 40G speeds is that when you drive a SiGi/InP/GaAs transistor that fast it dissipates LOTS of power (measured in Watts per handful of transistors). Moreover, CV^2f/2 power dissipation when you constantly charge/discharge line capacitance to ~1V operating voltage is significant. And of course the maximum operating speed of any substantial logic is determined not by transistor speed but by RC constants of the wiring.
Now, if one departs from traditional transistor logic design, say, to superconductor electronics (which I've spent all my life designing up until the beginning of this year, when my current employer decided to "discontinue that effort"), you can start from a clear sheet of paper. In superconductor case, first of all you lose R in RC, not bad! Second is that when temperatures are that cold, thermal noise (~kBT) is small and operating voltages (pulse amplitudes in our case) could be ~1 mV, not ~1V, and Josephson junctions are pretty happy generating ~1ps wide pulses.
The downside is having to deal with refrigiration, one would not see this technology on the end user's desktop any time soon, but for the telco switching center it is almost doable.
My personal estimates (well, down to the complete circuit diagrams;-) ) showed that we could make a 128x128 non-blocking self-routing packet switching matrix at 60Gbps/line that could fit on the palm of one's hand, and after packaging with refrigerator fit on half a rack.
The "packet" feature is important, often when "optical computing" people talk about their switches they conveniently omit the fact that while switch might be fast enough for some 120GHz of bandwidth the re-configuration of that takes milliseconds (think long-haul traditional SONET lines), we were talking about routing/re-configuration at ~256 bits packet length (think TCP/IP).
Oh, well, it's a pity that I can not work on this stuff now, it was -> |- THIS close to actually coming up with a viable demo/product. Maybe some day...
Paul B.
pbunyk (at) lycos (dot) com
P.S. Google for SFQ/RSFQ for more info
Light speed is damn close.
by
SharpFang
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· Score: 4, Insightful
1s. Minimal human decision time. Light travels 3e8m 1e-1s. Minimal human reaction time. 1e-2s. Minimal human recognition (sensory reaction) time. 1e-3s (1ms). Sensible task switching time. 1e-4s. in-task high level function time. 1e-5s. in-task medium level function time. 1e-6s (1us). Single microcontroller instruction; in-task low-level function time. 1e-7s Single high-speed microcontroller instruction. 1e-8s Single low-end CPU or DSP instruction time. Light travels 3m. 1e-9s (1ns) Single modern CPU time, light travels 0.3m 1e-10s A single modern CPU gate reaction time. Light travels 3cm, just above 1 inch.
Using standard $8 24bit ADC you can get down to the 3cm level with a $3 1MHZ microcontroller. Using 1Gbit interface, your bits moving at light speed are 30cm away from each other. A 300m LAN won't allow ping roundtrip shorter than 2 microseconds. A 3000km (global network games) line WILL introduce perceptible delay. A CPU of 3 GHZ just has to have its cache built in. Memory placed 3cm away causes 1 cycle long request-response roundtrip.
Except that optical "switching" is slow...
by
PaulBu
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· Score: 3, Insightful
Your solution would require all-optical (what they call, "transparent") switch to re-configure itself on each of the packets that you are sending down. It's OK if one packet length is a complete ISO image, but is you are just sending 256 bytes to update your position in the game on other player's computer -- well, tough luck!;-) Did you know that like a third of the packets on the Internet at any given time are under a couple hundred bytes long -- mostly TCP/IP ACKs.
The gluing process creates a material composed of larger electron-rich molecules with sufficient power to cause light that passes through to control the direction of other light, providing the switching capability, Sargent said.
With switching occuring at the speeds available through a layer such as that, there would be an incredible decrease in cumulative latency across the 'net. That is, if all or most of the switches are as above.
Superconnect's Lehenbauer agrees that "it's fascinating" to have material for an optical switch, but warns "it could be awhile until an all-optical network is possible."
I wonder what the cost of those type "devices" will be - both direct in terms of the devices and indirect in terms of whatever infrastructure is required to implement them. Well, either way, it's great sounding technology.
Cheers,
Erick
http://www.busyweather.com/
A lightning fast transmission medium is no match for a mechanical data access sytem, i.e. your hard disk.
I have a fast internet connection but a slow hard drive. Sigh.
I was going to try for a first post - but the speed of light barrier slowed me down.
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
Can we have universal access and better content first please?
-Johan
PS> Oh yeah, contribute to wikipedia.
Whats the point of blazing high speeds without the content???
..
Net's content value improvement rate is trending downwards
Call me when they reach ludicrous speed. Here's hoping the data doesn't all turn to plaid;-)
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
A Beowulf Cluster of.....
AAAARRRGHH! My Eyes!!
I few weeks ago I saw that Verizon is starting with some 15mbps lines in Kellar, Texas.
http://news.com.com/Verizon's+fiber+race+is+on/210 0-1034_3-5275171.html
I heard the price was going to be only 44.95 a month. With this kind of speed VoIP and Video communication, as well as video on demand, finally seem pretty feasible.
You think it's hard getting a win32 broadband box on the net now? Wait till there are all-optical switches! You'll be hosed before the light from the screen reaches your eyeballs!
stuff |
Eh? You seem to be very confused. Ethernet is not limited to the dinky little 10/100 network I assume you'r running. The gigabit fiber optic network I've got is also ethernet.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
What we need is Bistromathic signaling tech!
Bye!
SeqBox
Optical-networking company Infinera is taking another approach... has developed a photonic integrated circuit, a hybrid of optical and electronic technologies... the technology combines discrete functions into a single chip, and can transmit data at speeds of up to 100 Gbps.
Although the 100Gb/s is the max, it would be interesting what the sustained rate would be.
This technology seems to have a better light/energy conversion than the 'bucky ball' solution, since it lists 40Gb/s as the transmission rate.
Perhaps the Inifera solution is limited in distance.
MOUNT TAPE U1439 ON B3, NO RING
Superconnect's Lehenbauer agrees that "it's fascinating" to have material for an optical switch, but warns "it could be awhile until an all-optical network is possible." Lehenbauer said switches and routers must identify individual packets and route data intelligently, tasks that are not possible using a simple optical switch. "Unless you have an optical computer inside the switch to make these decisions, you'll still need electronic components."
Therein lies the bottleneck. Unless we develop optical computers (not for a while), we still need electronic switches and computers to analyze the content of the optical data in order to make intelligent decisions as to which direction the data should be channelled to.
Not to minimize the importance of this development, but until we do have optical computers, we are condemned to live life in the slow lane. But then again, someone may think of a clever way around this problem without using optical computers. One never knows.
When using your 100Gb fiber-optic internet at the campgrounds, always practice safety. Surround your network card with rocks to keep the fire from spreading. Be sure when you're done with your internet to put it out with a bucket of water and make sure it has stopped smoking before you leave the area.
Remember what Smokey the Bear says. Only you can prevent your 100Gb fiber-optic internet connection from starting a forest fire.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
Redundancy may soon be more vital than speed.
Once the internet was designed to withstand problems (a euphemism for a nuclear strike) at multiple nodes but since commercial interest like to keep as many things as possible in one building we see today that a small fire in a maintenance tunnel has a dramatic effect on the over all network latency. There just isn't as much redundancy as there used to be and that may be worse for us all than your download time for SP2.
What happens when you put all the switches together and actually have to route the packets, and the next hop is "busy" on that light frequency already?
You would either have to:
a) shift the frequency to a different portion of the light spectrum, or
b) somehow delay the light signal until the previous message is completely transmitted through the router.
But without using a light-electrical-light conversion?
I don't know how a) could be accomplished other than using one laser to pump another (but there would not be enough intensity for that), and using cryogenic sodium to slow the light pulse down long enough is not practical in a low cost router (yet).
Any ideas? Or did I miss something obvious here?
Bell Labs invented them in 1999.
... as my former advisor Prof K. Likharev used to say. When you send a sharp electrical pulse down a matched transmission line/waveguide it propagates with, you guessed it, speed of light in the medium. If your insulator is the same SiO2 they use for optical fiber you will get the same speed as in the fiber!
;-) ) showed that we could make a 128x128 non-blocking self-routing packet switching matrix at 60Gbps/line that could fit on the palm of one's hand, and after packaging with refrigerator fit on half a rack.
The problem with traditional voltage-based electronics at 40G speeds is that when you drive a SiGi/InP/GaAs transistor that fast it dissipates LOTS of power (measured in Watts per handful of transistors). Moreover, CV^2f/2 power dissipation when you constantly charge/discharge line capacitance to ~1V operating voltage is significant. And of course the maximum operating speed of any substantial logic is determined not by transistor speed but by RC constants of the wiring.
Now, if one departs from traditional transistor logic design, say, to superconductor electronics (which I've spent all my life designing up until the beginning of this year, when my current employer decided to "discontinue that effort"), you can start from a clear sheet of paper. In superconductor case, first of all you lose R in RC, not bad! Second is that when temperatures are that cold, thermal noise (~kBT) is small and operating voltages (pulse amplitudes in our case) could be ~1 mV, not ~1V, and Josephson junctions are pretty happy generating ~1ps wide pulses.
The downside is having to deal with refrigiration, one would not see this technology on the end user's desktop any time soon, but for the telco switching center it is almost doable.
My personal estimates (well, down to the complete circuit diagrams
The "packet" feature is important, often when "optical computing" people talk about their switches they conveniently omit the fact that while switch might be fast enough for some 120GHz of bandwidth the re-configuration of that takes milliseconds (think long-haul traditional SONET lines), we were talking about routing/re-configuration at ~256 bits packet length (think TCP/IP).
Oh, well, it's a pity that I can not work on this stuff now, it was -> |- THIS close to actually coming up with a viable demo/product. Maybe some day...
Paul B.
pbunyk (at) lycos (dot) com
P.S. Google for SFQ/RSFQ for more info
1s. Minimal human decision time. Light travels 3e8m
1e-1s. Minimal human reaction time.
1e-2s. Minimal human recognition (sensory reaction) time.
1e-3s (1ms). Sensible task switching time.
1e-4s. in-task high level function time.
1e-5s. in-task medium level function time.
1e-6s (1us). Single microcontroller instruction; in-task low-level function time.
1e-7s Single high-speed microcontroller instruction.
1e-8s Single low-end CPU or DSP instruction time. Light travels 3m.
1e-9s (1ns) Single modern CPU time, light travels 0.3m
1e-10s A single modern CPU gate reaction time. Light travels 3cm, just above 1 inch.
Using standard $8 24bit ADC you can get down to the 3cm level with a $3 1MHZ microcontroller.
Using 1Gbit interface, your bits moving at light speed are 30cm away from each other.
A 300m LAN won't allow ping roundtrip shorter than 2 microseconds.
A 3000km (global network games) line WILL introduce perceptible delay.
A CPU of 3 GHZ just has to have its cache built in. Memory placed 3cm away causes 1 cycle long request-response roundtrip.
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Your solution would require all-optical (what they call, "transparent") switch to re-configure itself on each of the packets that you are sending down. It's OK if one packet length is a complete ISO image, but is you are just sending 256 bytes to update your position in the game on other player's computer -- well, tough luck! ;-) Did you know that like a third of the packets on the Internet at any given time are under a couple hundred bytes long -- mostly TCP/IP ACKs.
Paul B.