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South Park Creators Have A New Film
Vince C writes "Trey Parker and Matt Stone are back to filmmaking again. No, it is not a South Park movie and no they are not acting. In fact, it is a totally different media... marionettes. Yep! Puppets folks. They are making Team America:World Police. If you liked the original Thunderbirds and hate the live action remake but also love comedy sticking it to our current government then you are going to love Matt and Trey's new project. Trailer and more info at the movie's site."
Actually my bet is everyone is a target. Matt and Trey have happily attacked all sides in south park, so I expect that BushCo will be in for at least as much abuse as the "Liberal Elite" in this one.
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I cannot fathom what made the producers of Thunderbirds think that it would be a good idea to do it as a live action movie and not with puppets. Thunderbirds' whole fucking gimmick was the puppets. Without the puppets it would have just been another mediocre, wholly forgetable kids action cartoon.
How exactly is this news for nerds? Yeah, I'm looking forward to the movie, but I'm not looking for information about it on slashdot.
Your reality is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. - Baron Munchausen
The thing I like the most about Matt Stone and Trey Parker's shows/movies is the extraordinary balance they generally provide. They make fun of the ridiculousness of all political perspectives. They make fun of people on the left, people on the right, liberals, conservatives, etc.
And that's really the way it should be, because both "sides" in politics are, for the most part, composed of reasonable people, the problem is the people to the extremes of both sides.
I do not want to install flash. I should not need a browser plugin to learn about your movie. At least provide an html version. And jesus quicktime is not the only format out there. If it wasn't for the hacked version of that codec I would never see any movie trailers.
So, your response to the Bush administration not fighting terror vigorously enough...is to vote in an administration that won't do anything?
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
I was just pointing out that the ones who where the firsts to complain and who are right now "pissed off" are the politicians and that I think it's kind of hypocritical to say to the people how the subject of terrorism should be used in a movie when they are continuously using it in the interest of their personal campaigns.
In my opinion humor is a valid medium to communicate social or political messages and opinions and I don't think it should be directly or indirectly censured. When we look back in history we can see that comedy as been continuously used in literature and on stage to denounce injustices or promote new ideas and event start revolutions.
Yahh, hiii haaaaa! -Major Kong, from Dr. Strangelove
What good do the libertarians do besides being the political equivalent of apple fanboys? Is there even a point to your posturing and complaining? Doesn't look to me like you guys actually do anything besides complain.
I think you answered your own question. One of the main things the American third parties accomplish at this point is to provide a viewpoint apart from the kneejerk opposite reaction that will be found in the other second party. Much of the party platform of both Republicans and Democrats is formed because it's the opposite of what the other party wants, not on the merit of whatever it actually means. Opinions coming from outside both sides at least have a slightly better chance of getting into consideration than the same idea might have if proposed by whatever party the person in question is in opposition to.
Everything will be taken away from you.
Al Qaeda is in shambles
Is it? Who cares? There are plenty of idiots to fill their places. Certainly more than 3 years ago.
one major terrorist state has been liberated
Mission accomplished, eh? Not exactly the impression you get watching the news.
and either Syria or Iran will also fall if Bush gets the second term
They will "fall"? What's entailed by that? Nation-wide anarchy? Terrorism? Tens of thousands killed by weaponry, hundreds of thousands starved to death? Proliferation of arms that were previously in the hands of the respective government? Sounds great.
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Hmm.. a movie about the reactions to 9/11 and the president is not even in it. Maybe that's the insult?
"It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
Way to go, judge something that you haven't seenmore then five minutes of.
Hate to break it to ya, but the 'new' republican party seems to be just as much in favor of big government as the old democratic party. Other than religion and gun control, it gets harder and harder to tell the two parties apart with each passing year.
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
What good do the libertarians do besides being the political equivalent of apple fanboys?
So instead we're supposed to engage in groupthink, join the Borg, and "be one" with one of the two major parties - despite the fact that we disagree with both of them on a number of fundamental issues?
Nice attitude, that.
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
>vurrrrry correct about everything
Like that piece of war porn The Jessica Lynch story?
Or how they pulled the Reagans?
Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?
Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.
Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?
Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?
Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.
Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"
Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?
Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?
Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals? Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity. Both of whom are still on the pundit short list for other shows.
Or how only a satiric comedy show (the Daily Show) can actually break and frame issues in a manner which isn't corporate media ass-kissing?
Yeah, its pretty PC lefty out there! You many know some liberals in the industry, but it doesnt make a difference if their bosses (who dictate policy and bias and call the shots) are conservatives like Rupert Murdoch, Rev Moon, etc.
Parker and Trey both recieved public aid to goto college at the the University of Colorado.
Both are now multi-millonaires with very little in common with you and me. If they have a philosophy its contrarianism and vulger/shock humor. To hold them up to anything else is being a bit pretentious about their work, which is as anti-pretentious as it gets.
I think it was Trey who was in Bowling for Columbine. Remember, he was a STUDENT AT COLUMBINE! To understand where he is coming from, you would have had to live in Littleton Colorado. Sure the religious right is whacko... but really, aren't we all? Or... aren't THEY all? The left is just as whacky. Trey saw a chance to go after gun-nuts and make a goofy historical statement about scared white people. That fit MMoore's agenda, so they were off to the races.
Also, if you know that Trey left Littleton to go to CU Boulder, where he met Matt, well, that is night and day. Believe me, Trey has seen it all and lived it all: Hellmouth, Columbine, Boulder (Berkeley-esque), Hollywood, Orange County... don't even try to pin him down... he could talk the talk of any old side he felt like. He is an excellent satirist because he has seen almost every face of absurdity that exists in America.
Give me a break, For every Michael Moore there's a thousand flag-waving "My Country Right or Wrong" types making stuff like Pearl Harbor, We Were Soldiers, etc ad nauseaum.
From the rumors I've heard and interviews I've read, they hardly make fun of Bush at all...
Dude, look at the title of the film... The whole damned movie is aimed at making fun of that idiot's foreign policies...
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
Not blacks and latinos? I can't tell if this is a joke or not but they've had episodes about both groups several times ("Fat Butt and Pancake Head" "Here Comes the Neighborhood" "Krazy Kripples") along with the Chinese, Japanese, gay, and the handicapped.
What is music when you despise all sound?
- also love comedy sticking it to our current government
How refreshing! It is so hard to find a comedic medium willing to "stick it" to "our current governement." What an artistic risk!(sarcasm, of course.)
Truly, could anything be more formulaic than a punkish slam at out Government? I don't care what you think of "our government" -- there is no lack in this overrun category. In web terms, a plot line attacking GWB is like a website in 1998 having "Pamela Anderson" in the META tags. Lame.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
The idea of trying to stick Trey and Matt into some political category is ridiculous. They make fun of everything and clearly show that they don't find anything beyond reproach. That's why many of us love their comedy, not because we think they agree with our particular political bias.
The only problem is that morons like you come along and "see" that Matt and Trey are really making some moral statement that reinforces your own biases. I mean, if you can watch the Underpants Gnomes episode and read into it a pro big business message, you are using some concentrated crack. Who knows if Matt and Trey feel that way and who cares if they do, but they sure didn't stick the message into the episode to teach you that lesson.
You just proved his point. There were plenty of people with strong arguments against the war. The mainstream media only showed you folks that would be written off as nut-jobs. It's a variation on the straw-man argument. The media showed you that the opposition was a bunch of loons who only know how to yell and wave signs; but it ignored the reasons why these people were protesting just as it ignored the more intellectual opposition to the war.
People who complain about the liberal media don't know what liberal means. The media in this country is far to the right of the media in most nations.
Poor Georgie, he might find out that people don't like him!
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of fiscally conservative socially liberal democrats too. Did you miss the whole Howard Dean thing?
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Then why do you care so much if he is interpreting those episodes that way ?
As with all forms of 'art' : It's in the eye of the beholder.
By neglecting to include the 11,000 Iraqi dead in your figures, you have invalidated any credibility your post might have had. Making fun of terrorism is tasteless. Making fun of the War on Terror is fun: it provokes conservatives into making clown noises.
The average US citizen probably has 20, possibly now even 30, votes in their lifetime.
A vote is only thrown away when you don't vote.
Vote against your principles only if you think voting for your principles would result in some catastrophic intrusion in your life, but I don't think Bush vs Gore was such an event, nor do I think Bush vs Kerry is also such an event.
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Basically libertarians have to choose whether they care more about social issues (then vote democrat) or economic issues (then vote republican).
Maybe if you're posting "Frequency"-style from 6 or 7 decades ago. If you vote Republican in 2004, you aren't a "pragmatic libertarian" any more than someone who votes for the Socialist Worker's Party is a "left libertarian". Neither party is "pro" individual rights as far as voting records go. If you use political rhetoric as the basis for voting, you are quite gullible. There are roughly equal numbers of liberty-minded individuals in both parties, and in both parties they constitute a minority. If you think you're being practical and that your vote will *eventually* move the USA in the direction away from statism, you're rationalizing and self-deluding. And if you're willing to ignore this Republican administration's assault on the Constitution to promote them as the "libertarian" choice, you're unethical.
To paraphrase Badnarik: If you're unjustly imprisoned and have a 48% chance of getting lethal injection, 50% chance of electric chair and 2% chance of escaping, which is the "pragmatic" choice?
Hey, now... I really liked BASEketball. Not as good as Orgasmo, perhaps, but I still thought it was quite funny.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
Given Republcian policies... under Bush we have a huge budget deficit (just like under the last three Republicans), eroding civil rights, strong opposition to individual freedoms and civil rights (FMA anyone?), gross expansion of government size and power, huge new entitlements, etc....
I find it hard to understand how a libertarian could support Bush or his administration in any way. It's more of a 'nanny-state' than Clinton's government was in many ways.
I mean, if you really care about economic issues, look again at the Democrats: balanced budgets, smaller government growth than any other administration in recent memory, better economy, more jobs... and compare that to the last several Republican administrations, with the huge and balooning budget deficits, loss of jobs, crappy economies, etc.
Why again do you associate economic issues with Republicans?? The historical data just doesn't back that view up.
The current administration isn't really Republican, it's neocon. And it's the worst possible mix of everything else, imho. No sensible libertarian should be backing the Bush administration in any way.
You should know by now that there is only one party in the US government and that the reason it goes under two different names is to give the illusion of choice.
What's sad about all this crap is that not only is his political agenda not getting across because he's paying so much attention to it, his opponent's political agenda isn't getting across either.
As a result, if that's what they want me to pay attention to, I'm going to pay attention to the guy who's trying to get his viewpoints and solutions out there so at least if I don't agree with him 100%, I have a good idea of what he's going to do for the next 4 years.
I'll write in or vote for Nader, or no one at all - unless I start hearing things that give me the ability to consider the other candidates.
Do I care if that gives Bush another 4 years to fuck up this country? Nope. Kerry did it to himself and let down a whole political party (which consists of lot more voters than appointees), I'm not letting that guy get 4 years to do it. At least I know how Bush is going to let me down, and I make a slim chance for Nader to get elected less slim.
Of course, neither of the major parties are going to ever consider something like run off voting, which gives the voter more power at the poll booth.
As usual, the liberal mantra of "oppressed dissension" is a paranoid lie invented to make Bush look bad.
Or how they pulled the Reagans?
The script for the movie was almost entirely falsified. They portrayed everybody in a negative light and even implied Reagan was completely senile. CBS pulled the show after fan complaints--the government didn't do a thing. CBS could have gone ahead and aired it if they wanted to. Fuck, man, Barabara Streisand's husband was playing Reagan!
Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?
This is the most laughable claim in your list. Protesters were "barely heard?" Are you freaking kidding me? Every channel on TV aired protester opinions, all the newspapers--even a feature film "documentary" that made $100 million. There are endless liberal smear books on the market right now. You're completely lying, and you know it.
Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.
What this has to do with anything, I have no idea. Just a random jab for no reason.
Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?
Most of the media is liberal, according to all the polls.
Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?
Yeah, it was dropped LAST YEAR. Moore was told about it way back in 2003. Gee, he brought it up right before Cannes as some sort of conspiracy, I wonder why?
Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.
Another irrelevant lie. Not every history movie is ahistoric and highly pro-American. Not only have you not viewed every history movie, but I could list endless films that contradict your claim.
Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"
Care to cite a single example for this false claim?
Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?
What the FUCK does this have to do with the left OR the right wing? It was done out of sensitivity for 2,000 people being lost in New York. It's not a right-wing conspiracy to wipe out the twin towers in an episode of Friends. Jesus H. Christ.
Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?
"Honest and non-partisan way" = liberal or anti-American. PBS is well-known as a liberal station. You just demonstrated your bias, lol.
Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals?
She didn't. Another complete lie. This is why liberals are frowned upon by the majority of the folks. It's not about issues anymore, it's about personal vitriol toward people you actually HATE because you disagree with them.
Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity.
Yet another complete lie. Care to cite a single quote or example?
Or how only a satiric comedy show (the Daily Show) can actually break and frame issues in a manner which isn't corporate media ass-kissing?
Funny, since Comedy Central ran ads for Fahrenheit 9/11 an average of EVERY FIVE COMMERCIALS. John Stewart and Stephen Colbare are--you guessed it--self-proclaimed Democrats.
As a matter of fact, before every taping (as well as in interviews), Stewart always expresses his surprise that people view the Daily Show as a non-biased source of news analysis. It is not.
Yeah, its pretty PC lefty out there!
Hollywood is liberal. This is common knowledge. A journalism poll showed that the majority of journalists are liberal.
You many know some liberals in the industry, bu