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South Park Creators Have A New Film

Vince C writes "Trey Parker and Matt Stone are back to filmmaking again. No, it is not a South Park movie and no they are not acting. In fact, it is a totally different media... marionettes. Yep! Puppets folks. They are making Team America:World Police. If you liked the original Thunderbirds and hate the live action remake but also love comedy sticking it to our current government then you are going to love Matt and Trey's new project. Trailer and more info at the movie's site."

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  1. Southpark is GO! by BarryNorton · · Score: 3, Funny

    F*** you, I'm just big boned, me lady!

  2. fuck this by Neotrantor · · Score: 5, Funny

    i want to see it for free as a refund for baseketball

    1. Re:fuck this by SpryGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, now... I really liked BASEketball. Not as good as Orgasmo, perhaps, but I still thought it was quite funny.

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  3. Just saw the preview by Anamanaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just saw the preview. Can't wait! Seems like Matt & Trey love being the only conservatives/libertarians in hollywood. Expect to see a lot of Michael Moore/Barbara Steisand bashing. Should be great

    Guess this explains why they haven't produced a damn south park episode in so long!

    1. Re:Just saw the preview by Akai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually my bet is everyone is a target. Matt and Trey have happily attacked all sides in south park, so I expect that BushCo will be in for at least as much abuse as the "Liberal Elite" in this one.

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    2. Re:Just saw the preview by Anamanaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I consider myself a pragmatic libertarian, in that, I vote republican.

      Basically libertarians have to choose whether they care more about social issues (then vote democrat) or economic issues (then vote republican). Or throw your vote away (vote libertarian).

      I used conservative/libertarian interchangable when talking about hollywood because everything is pretty much straight up liberal/socialist coming out of that neck of the woods.

    3. Re:Just saw the preview by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 5, Informative

      hehe. Since when did Matt and Trey become conservative. Matt was in Bowling for Columbine ;)

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    4. Re:Just saw the preview by maxpublic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hate to break it to ya, but the 'new' republican party seems to be just as much in favor of big government as the old democratic party. Other than religion and gun control, it gets harder and harder to tell the two parties apart with each passing year.

      Max

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    5. Re:Just saw the preview by mongbot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have actually read Marx and Engels, unlike many who claim to know what Communism is, so I guess your presumption is wrong. Communism involves the control of the means of productions by the proletariat, usually in the form of workers council, which, in practice, equates to centralized government control. Any questions?

    6. Re:Just saw the preview by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I used conservative/libertarian interchangable when talking about hollywood because everything is pretty much straight up liberal/socialist coming out of that neck of the woods.

      Give me a break, For every Michael Moore there's a thousand flag-waving "My Country Right or Wrong" types making stuff like Pearl Harbor, We Were Soldiers, etc ad nauseaum.

    7. Re:Just saw the preview by mongbot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Notice I said "in practice". In the Soviet system all production was centrally planned in the form of a massive central budget that involved tens of thousands of commodities. There was a government department, Gosplan, that decided how much of every commodity should be produced and the price that the commodity should be sold for. Actual Russian consumers had no say in what and how much should be produced, leading to massive disparities in price (e.g. oil was cheap but there was a 2-year waiting list to buy a car).

    8. Re:Just saw the preview by CrowScape · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd like to see how, considering Trey Parker has said Bush isn't in the film. Normally when they make fun of someone, they characature them. If Bush isn't going to be shown, he's unlikely to be made fun of, at least all that much. But hey, it's nice to see the story submitter jumping to conclusions that aren't supported by the facts.

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    9. Re:Just saw the preview by Rhone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      South Park does a great job of making fun of everybody--which is good, because every side of our political system deserves to be made fun of relentlessly.

      However, if you pay close attention, despite South Park episodes happily making fun of both sides of an issue, they often end up agreeing with the more conservative side (think Libertarian-conservative, not necessarily Republican-conservative).

      Take the Cripple Fight episode (the one where Big Gay Al gets kicked out of Boy Scouts for being gay). While the episode relentlessly makes fun of those who would keep gay people out of Boy Scouts, in the end, Big Gay Al himself proclaims that as a private organization, Boy Scouts has a right to not hire him because of his sexual orientation.

      And then there's the Underpants Gnomes episode (with the Starbucks knockoff) you mention, which ends up giving us the message that big businesses are successful because of smart business practices and because they serve consumers better than little businesses, and it's thus okay when they trample little businesses that can't compete.

    10. Re:Just saw the preview by Ath · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Wow. You should be banned from watching South Park because you are too stupid. In your cited examples, the "lesson learned" is actually doing two things. First, it is making fun of the way sitcoms always have to spout off some lesson at the end of the show. Second, it is making fun of the whole concept that there is a right answer to most issues. The so-called right answer inevitably comes down to a person's own views, which bias how we each look at situations.

      The idea of trying to stick Trey and Matt into some political category is ridiculous. They make fun of everything and clearly show that they don't find anything beyond reproach. That's why many of us love their comedy, not because we think they agree with our particular political bias.

      The only problem is that morons like you come along and "see" that Matt and Trey are really making some moral statement that reinforces your own biases. I mean, if you can watch the Underpants Gnomes episode and read into it a pro big business message, you are using some concentrated crack. Who knows if Matt and Trey feel that way and who cares if they do, but they sure didn't stick the message into the episode to teach you that lesson.

    11. Re:Just saw the preview by mr.mighty · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it was Matt. He didn't talk about how he went there, he talked about how Columbine was a rival high school.

    12. Re:Just saw the preview by DJTodd242 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Besides, the Soviet Union wasn't a communist country. As Marx writes, every country that adopts communism must go through a period of socialism first. It was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    13. Re:Just saw the preview by thewiz · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean we have TWO political parties in America?
      I always thought we had only ONE.
      Wow, you mean we have a choice?

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    14. Re:Just saw the preview by Directrix1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Come on, everyone's doing it. Become a libertarian.

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    15. Re:Just saw the preview by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Who knows if Matt and Trey feel that way and who cares if they do, but they sure didn't stick the message into the episode to teach you that lesson."

      Then why do you care so much if he is interpreting those episodes that way ?

      As with all forms of 'art' : It's in the eye of the beholder.

    16. Re:Just saw the preview by pohl · · Score: 3, Informative

      But in the trailer, there's a long list of names, (presented as though they are actors) followed by "...are all going to be really, really mad when they see..." George W. Bush is one of those names. While it's possible that Bush will not be directly caricatured, the movie must contain something that would make him really, really mad...or it would violate all of those laws against false advertising that...oh, wait. Nevermind.

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    17. Re:Just saw the preview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Basically libertarians have to choose whether they care more about social issues (then vote democrat) or economic issues (then vote republican).

      Maybe if you're posting "Frequency"-style from 6 or 7 decades ago. If you vote Republican in 2004, you aren't a "pragmatic libertarian" any more than someone who votes for the Socialist Worker's Party is a "left libertarian". Neither party is "pro" individual rights as far as voting records go. If you use political rhetoric as the basis for voting, you are quite gullible. There are roughly equal numbers of liberty-minded individuals in both parties, and in both parties they constitute a minority. If you think you're being practical and that your vote will *eventually* move the USA in the direction away from statism, you're rationalizing and self-deluding. And if you're willing to ignore this Republican administration's assault on the Constitution to promote them as the "libertarian" choice, you're unethical.

      To paraphrase Badnarik: If you're unjustly imprisoned and have a 48% chance of getting lethal injection, 50% chance of electric chair and 2% chance of escaping, which is the "pragmatic" choice?

    18. Re:Just saw the preview by geekanarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should know by now that there is only one party in the US government and that the reason it goes under two different names is to give the illusion of choice.

    19. Re:Just saw the preview by popular · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Escape from that catch phrase hell and actually test that argument. Obviously, you need more than just a handful of 30 second spots and a daily sound bite on the evening news.

      For better or for worse, you have to know that the US would be in a very different situation today, if Al Gore were president.

  4. Labelled already as liberal traitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    And the White House has already called it abhorrent that someone's making fun of the War on Terror...

    No, really (this is just one reference; Google finds many more).

    1. Re:Labelled already as liberal traitors by ArcticCelt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was just pointing out that the ones who where the firsts to complain and who are right now "pissed off" are the politicians and that I think it's kind of hypocritical to say to the people how the subject of terrorism should be used in a movie when they are continuously using it in the interest of their personal campaigns.

      In my opinion humor is a valid medium to communicate social or political messages and opinions and I don't think it should be directly or indirectly censured. When we look back in history we can see that comedy as been continuously used in literature and on stage to denounce injustices or promote new ideas and event start revolutions.

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    2. Re:Labelled already as liberal traitors by moonbender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Al Qaeda is in shambles

      Is it? Who cares? There are plenty of idiots to fill their places. Certainly more than 3 years ago.

      one major terrorist state has been liberated

      Mission accomplished, eh? Not exactly the impression you get watching the news.

      and either Syria or Iran will also fall if Bush gets the second term

      They will "fall"? What's entailed by that? Nation-wide anarchy? Terrorism? Tens of thousands killed by weaponry, hundreds of thousands starved to death? Proliferation of arms that were previously in the hands of the respective government? Sounds great.

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  5. Stick it to the current government? by ErikTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the rumors I've heard and interviews I've read, they hardly make fun of Bush at all... most of their sarcasm is directed towards Hollywood celebreties that have "opinions" (err... groupthink) relating to foriegn affairs...

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    1. Re:Stick it to the current government? by brett42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since pretty much every episode started with Bush being unaware of an important issue, then taking a stupid stance on it, I wouldn't really call the character intelligent. He did seem like a typical sitcom character, but on a national scale.

      <obvious cheap shot that I feel compelled to take(of course using lame psuedo-html to denote)>
      Of course, the character might have seemed pretty intelligent compared to the original.
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  6. I just don't understand... by iamdrscience · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I cannot fathom what made the producers of Thunderbirds think that it would be a good idea to do it as a live action movie and not with puppets. Thunderbirds' whole fucking gimmick was the puppets. Without the puppets it would have just been another mediocre, wholly forgetable kids action cartoon.

  7. Re:Why not by bobobobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually it's supposed to skew both sides pretty evenly. Supposedly they really stick it to Michael Moore in the film, along with a bunch of other left-leaning celebrities.

  8. Guest Stars?! by LqqkOut · · Score: 3, Funny
    I hope there's a steamy nude scene with that hottie Lady Elaine... Whoah! Nevermind she's been supplanted by the nubile Queen Sara

    Free Related Link... No, uh, strings attached!!!

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  9. Huh? by Copperhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For a second, I thought I was at Ain't It Cool News!

    How exactly is this news for nerds? Yeah, I'm looking forward to the movie, but I'm not looking for information about it on slashdot.

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    1. Re:Huh? by da_fiend · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nerds also often have interests outside computers. This nerd for one appreciated the link.

      No more open source/*nix news pls.

  10. The best thing by iamdrscience · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing I like the most about Matt Stone and Trey Parker's shows/movies is the extraordinary balance they generally provide. They make fun of the ridiculousness of all political perspectives. They make fun of people on the left, people on the right, liberals, conservatives, etc.

    And that's really the way it should be, because both "sides" in politics are, for the most part, composed of reasonable people, the problem is the people to the extremes of both sides.

    1. Re:The best thing by iamdrscience · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ha! That's actually very interesting because I've actually just begun watching Bullshit in the past few days myself and I was also thinking about the ways they're similar. They cover a lot same ground with a few episodes being almost scarily similar (i.e. the "Talking to the Dead" episode of BS vs. the "John Edwards is the Biggest Douche in the Universe" episode of SP). I was planning on trying to match every episode of P&T:BS with an episode of South Park that covers similar ground to see if it could be done (off the top of my head, they both had episodes which dealt took a similar view about second hand smoke laws). But yes, above those direct similarities, both shows do generally give a mostly balanced view, attacking the deserving shysters and bullshitters of all types. They're two of my favorite shows for sure.

    2. Re:The best thing by sqrt(2) · · Score: 2, Funny

      too bad I don't have cable, or even a TV.

      You got the brain implant too eh?

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  11. Bipartisan Bashing... by thermopylae300 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Actually Parker called in to Matt Drudge's radio show to dispute that this film was just another attack on Bush. Drudge Report: Team America

    Marionette puppets are used throughout the film to mock terror threats, and media figures who dominate the nation's airwaves. But Parker and Stone save most of the mocking for left-wing pundits and Michael Moore.

    "Bush is not even in the film," Parker said Sunday night from Los Angeles during the DRUDGE REPORT radio broadcast.

    "I would ask that people wait and see it, before passing a judgement."

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  12. Ah, finally... by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny

    From stop-motion construction paper cut-outs to stupid looking puppets. How far we've come!

  13. Hah.. by bmantz65 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can you say, "Puppet Sex?"

  14. ThunderBIRDS? by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny

    Screw Thunderbirds, this would be even cooler if it were in the style of Thundercats.

    I mean, besides the obvious fact that Thundercats was a cooler show, cats kill birds, it's a fact of nature. Plus, you know, there's Cheetara.

  15. "sticking it to the current government" by rd_syringe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apparently, the submitter hasn't read the response from the creators where they plainly state that they skewer the left more than they do the right. Even the trailer says as much.

    Trey and Matt are libertarians who despise both Republicans and Democrats (and rightly so).

  16. Bush isn't even in the film by rd_syringe · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to Terry and Matt, he's not even in it.

  17. Re:You say... by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What good do the libertarians do besides being the political equivalent of apple fanboys? Is there even a point to your posturing and complaining? Doesn't look to me like you guys actually do anything besides complain.

    I think you answered your own question. One of the main things the American third parties accomplish at this point is to provide a viewpoint apart from the kneejerk opposite reaction that will be found in the other second party. Much of the party platform of both Republicans and Democrats is formed because it's the opposite of what the other party wants, not on the merit of whatever it actually means. Opinions coming from outside both sides at least have a slightly better chance of getting into consideration than the same idea might have if proposed by whatever party the person in question is in opposition to.

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  18. How's your news by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish the blurb would have mentioned the recent dvd release of How's Your News, which Matt and Trey funded. The basic premise is that a group of people with various mental disabilities go on a tour of America and interview people along the way. They're not prompted at all, they and the people interviewed are the only ones you ever see. Which is one of the cool things about it, they're just out there being themselves and having fun. It's really facinating seeing their reactions and those of the people around them as the interviews progress, or they check into a hotel, or pick up a hitchiker. The movie's not easy to describe as much of it comes down to the tone rather than the premise. There's a link to an interview on This American Life on their site which gives a better picture than I'm able to.

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  19. Re:Memo to all movie websites by sqrt(2) · · Score: 2, Informative
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  20. Re:worrisome by golgotha007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    George Bush and buddies *are* in the film. Watch the trailer.

    Not a flamebait in the least, I am not pro anyone. However, it appears that some moderators are paranoid about these particular truths; I don't blame them.

    How about this for an example:

    Two individuals wore anti-Bush T-shirts on the president's July 4 rally. The pair were taken from the event in restaints after revealing T-shirts with Bush's name crossed out on the front and the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back. They were restained, publically humiliated and charged with trespassing (charges later dropped).
    Wow, not unlike something the Russian politburo would have done in the 70's or 80's, hmm?

    How's that for freedom of speech.

  21. Re:worrisome by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmm.. a movie about the reactions to 9/11 and the president is not even in it. Maybe that's the insult?

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  22. Re:I don't feel like installing flash... by kyhwana · · Score: 5, Informative
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  23. Marionets are NOT Puppets by mrjb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Marionets are different from puppets. Marionets have wires, puppets are directly hand-controlled.

    Hybrids of those are possible of course, and they exist too -- Muppets. They got both someone pulling their strings AND someone's hand up their ehrm... back. What a way to make a living.

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    1. Re:Marionets are NOT Puppets by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 3, Funny

      So I guess the fairly common phrase 'Puppet Strings' is a bit of a misnomer then?

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  24. Re:I'm proud of the fact that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Way to go, judge something that you haven't seenmore then five minutes of.

  25. Being Matt Stone and Trey Parker by dr_eaerth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Puppets, eh? I hope they do the right thing and hire the best puppeteer in the world, John Malkovich.

    1. Re:Being Matt Stone and Trey Parker by kurgan_cyberdude · · Score: 2, Informative

      Malkovich WAS the puppet, John Cusak was the best puppeteer in the world.

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  26. Re:You say... by maxpublic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What good do the libertarians do besides being the political equivalent of apple fanboys?

    So instead we're supposed to engage in groupthink, join the Borg, and "be one" with one of the two major parties - despite the fact that we disagree with both of them on a number of fundamental issues?

    Nice attitude, that.

    Max

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  27. Re:Memo to all movie websites by dipipanone · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like my internet like god intended it, text and pictures.

    What do you mean, text and pictures? God didn't intend there to be no pictures on the net.

    Now go and download yourself a copy of Lynx or STFU.

  28. "Our" current government? by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about the rest of the world, you insensitive clod!

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  29. Some counter examples by gad_zuki! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >vurrrrry correct about everything

    Like that piece of war porn The Jessica Lynch story?

    Or how they pulled the Reagans?

    Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?

    Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.

    Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?

    Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?

    Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.

    Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"

    Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?

    Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?

    Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals? Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity. Both of whom are still on the pundit short list for other shows.

    Or how only a satiric comedy show (the Daily Show) can actually break and frame issues in a manner which isn't corporate media ass-kissing?

    Yeah, its pretty PC lefty out there! You many know some liberals in the industry, but it doesnt make a difference if their bosses (who dictate policy and bias and call the shots) are conservatives like Rupert Murdoch, Rev Moon, etc.

    1. Re:Some counter examples by InsaneGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Like that piece of war porn The Jessica Lynch story?
      And? What you a sadist and prefer to only see bad shit happening all the time? I can't believe you are expecting any kind of "high art" film when it's in the same group as "Not without my baby", "The Long Island Lolita Story", etc. really you might want to come down to reality with your expectations

      >Or how they pulled the Reagans?
      Or maybe it was more like, the viewers we get paid to get in don't like to see a guy in late stages of alsheimers kicked when he's down with issues that they can't verify. And see above and relate the truthfullness of previous shows and how public might react to kicking around an old man who's brain is gone.

      >Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?
      They were heard all the time, they just didn't make any convincing arguments. There wasn't a day that went by that I didn't see "protestors" in a newspaper, etc. The only problem was they were saying "Bush=Hitler" and "Oil Grab", nobody was saying they didn't have WMD, didn't hear it from France, Germany, Arab states, etc. If the best statement a person could give was to call a person another name (and extreme at that) with no facts you WILL get ignored.

      >Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.
      Because of the extreme failing by the Democratic parties group. That's like saying almost the whole US shifted to Dem after Nixon since a conservative didn't get voted in

      >Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?
      And? Are you saying that dissenting opinion isn't on TV? I see desent all the time; maybe you ought to look at TV more as a device for those owners to make more money then as a public service. Every single one of them is there to make money, maybe in reality the public will spend more money on advertisers when they are told America is a piece of shit or maybe the public wants to just sit back and be entertained without a whole lot of cerebral work going on. So hop back to reality, TV is about money not about anything else.

      >Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?
      Again, and? Disney told Moore a year before he announced anything that they weren't going to be distributing it. There's no possible way that movie was not going to get picked up, it was all a very well crafted publicity stunt.

      >Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.
      So you are saying that to be liberal you've got to be anti-american? That america should have actually lost those wars?

      >Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"
      Comeon now that's about as stubid as you can get, what you are asking is akin to going to Ford company telling them you are making a film on how dangerous their fuel tanks were and asking for them to give you a couple of vehicles. Seriously what are you expecting there?

      >Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?
      I'd say that actually was more of a traditional left "PC" tactic than anything else
      Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?

      >Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals? Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity. Both of whom are still on the pundit short list for other shows.
      Or how Moore can go and make film, books, etc that basically say Bush and Saudi Arabia conspired to kill 3000+ Americans because he wants some oil. He's now significantly richer and on the even shorter list for the shows.

      >Or how only a satiric comedy show (the Daily Show) can actually break and frame issues in a manner which isn't corporate media ass-kissing?
      Maybe because shows on TV really isn't there for the "good of the public" but to get a nice big check.

    2. Re:Some counter examples by isa-kuruption · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or how they pulled the Reagans?

      Public opinion "pulled" the Reagans off CBS. Viewers of CBS threatened to boycott the network, including it's advertisers, and because CBS's revenue is based on the money it makes from it's advertisers, it felt best to hand it over to Showtime (who's money is made based on subscription rates) where it was shown many times. There is no "conspiracy" here, just the facts of cold, hard cash.

      Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?

      Because "all the people" that mattered were not dissenting, including people like oh.. John Kerry... who was for the war just as much as the President was. However, he heard PLENTY of how dissent from the French and the Germans in this time period.

      Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.

      Not the first, probably won't be the last. However, remember Arnold is married to a Kennedy and is socially liberal while economically conservative. Bush did not support Arnold during his run, and therefore, now, Arnold is not supporting Bush. So, this has less to do with a "ring wind conspiracy" as you would have us believe and more to do with getting Grey Davis out of office for being an idiot.

      Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?

      I don't know where you get your information. Ted Turner? Hardly a conservative. Yet, he owns several networks. This has nothing to do with politics. Although you conspiracy theorists would like us to believe that "big media" is controlled by the right in order to convince us there isn't a liberal bias in the media (which there is).

      Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?

      Again, that's about money... Disney was threatened with a boycott of it's products, and when it came down to the cold, hard cash... they backed away. However, it was the Miramax "brothers" who saved the day and gave us that enlightened film produced by Michael Moore... (yeah, right, enlightened....)

      Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.

      Why wouldn't a histoical movie of WWII be highly pro-American? If you remember, the US was attacked without cause on December 7. Not only was the war effort in response to that unprovoked attack, but it was also to remove from power one of history's worst criminal to humanity, Adolf Hitler, who had killed millions of Jews. Now when you consider that the effort the US took both militarily and industrially to pull off such a thing, it should make one sit back and awe at the pure ability of a people to come together for a common goal.

      Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"

      I'm sorry, but I would not lend Michael Moore by computer to check his webmail if I knew he would then turn it against me somehow because I used Mozilla instead of MSIE. And the Pentagon does not lend, it leases... and 99% of the time it's either footage and not equipment itself.

      Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?

      Yeah, this was nuts... but it was Hollywood. Again, it's the cold, hard cash that influenced this one.

      Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?

      Considering PBS is, at least partially, federally funded, it's strange you would say "gov't influences history" and then say "except PBS, they're cool". I dunno... seems odd.

      Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals? Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity. Both of whom are still on the pundit short list for other shows.

    3. Re:Some counter examples by Elkboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The world's most oil-thirsty nation invades the nation with the world's second largest oil reserves.

      You don't have to wear a tinfoil hat to be suspicious about that.

      It's a whole different matter to say the war was only started for oil though.

    4. Re:Some counter examples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only problem was they were saying "Bush=Hitler" and "Oil Grab", nobody was saying they didn't have WMD, didn't hear it from France, Germany, Arab states, etc.

      Actually, that is what was being said. The whole point of Powell going before the United Nations was to show the world our case for WMD. And he failed.

      The world, and much of the U.S., was unconvinced that compelling evidence was there. The non-believers (remember the Freedom Fries?) were mocked. And there was much name-calling about how they were cowardly, or were corrupt and only trying to cover shady deals.

      And even now, the administration is making the intelligence community out to be the scapegoats, when so many were not convinced. What does that say about the President's judgement?

    5. Re:Some counter examples by Quill345 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      >Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?
      They were heard all the time, they just didn't make any convincing arguments. There wasn't a day that went by that I didn't see "protestors" in a newspaper, etc. The only problem was they were saying "Bush=Hitler" and "Oil Grab", nobody was saying they didn't have WMD, didn't hear it from France, Germany, Arab states, etc. If the best statement a person could give was to call a person another name (and extreme at that) with no facts you WILL get ignored.
      Actually there were plenty of people saying that they needed to see more evidence of WMD before goint to war. The NY Times admitted recently that many of these articles were given less prominent space than articles that just reported the facts on the war effort. Here a some link for you: :http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/st ory/0,7792,857271,00.html>
      >Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.
      So you are saying that to be liberal you've got to be anti-american? That america should have actually lost those wars?
      When did he say that? Or are you just trying to discredit him through bad argument? He simply said that you don't have to be pro-American all the time, you can expose some of the problems with our efforts. Self-criticism can be used for the betterment of the country. Pro- and anti- are strong opposites, but not everyone has to be as polar, as you'd like to make it seem.
    6. Re:Some counter examples by Chris+Carollo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Or how Moore can go and make film, books, etc that basically say Bush and Saudi Arabia conspired to kill 3000+ Americans because he wants some oil. He's now significantly richer and on the even shorter list for the shows.
      I'm not a huge fan of Moore's one-sided rhetoric, but he's certainly never said that Bush had specific knowledge of the attack before it happened and was a coconspirator in its execution. He's been very critical of a lax attitude that allowed it to happen and extremely critical of Bush's reaction to it, but you're putting words in his mouth. Please provide a quote with a credible source.

      Now, speaking about Ann Coulter, she said: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." In the same article she advocates carpetbombing Muslim countries (and thus knowingly killing innocent civilians). And yet she remains a top conservative pundit.
    7. Re:Some counter examples by 3l1za · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dude, you do not live in the fucking real world.

      There are arguments to be made against Bush and this one isn't it.

      Aren't you smart enough to see that the American people as a whole STILL support the way Bush handled 9/11? And when Kerry himself whines about what Bush did for 300 to 420 seconds, it makes him look like a first class asshole. Er, makes him look like MORE of a 1st class asshole since his going on and on about his 16 weeks in Viet Nam twenty years later when many men who served longer and were braver don't breathe a word about it.

      Even JFK -- the real one, J. Effin' Scary's hero/idol -- never talked about his experiences in WW II and totally dismissed self-deprecatingly intimations that he, Kennedy, was a hero. That's because the guy had class.

      Something your snowboarder who blames his tumbles on the slopes on nearby Secret Service men (everyday folk, them) couldn't even begin to immitate.

      Look, boy Kerry is a gigolo, just a gigolo, everywhere he goes, people know the tune he's playing... November's gonna be great.

  30. libertarians? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Parker and Trey both recieved public aid to goto college at the the University of Colorado.

    Both are now multi-millonaires with very little in common with you and me. If they have a philosophy its contrarianism and vulger/shock humor. To hold them up to anything else is being a bit pretentious about their work, which is as anti-pretentious as it gets.

    1. Re:libertarians? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "To hold them up to anything else is being a bit pretentious about their work, which is as anti-pretentious as it gets."

      As Rembrandt's Nightwatch (Nachtwacht) was showing how people were living at that time ; Southpark is giving a very good contemporary look at today's society.

      I'm not saying that a piece of art like the Nachtwacht is on the same levels as Southpark ; but merely the uses and effects of different forms of art , made knowingly , -or- unknowingly so by the creators.

  31. Lady penelope by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lady Penelope.... now that's a bird I wouldn't mind thundering! Seriously though, I Matt and Trey are usually really good at finding good targets to aim at - evidenced by South Park ... so I'm looking forward to this.

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  32. Re:The worst thing, in my view... by sielwolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not blacks and latinos? I can't tell if this is a joke or not but they've had episodes about both groups several times ("Fat Butt and Pancake Head" "Here Comes the Neighborhood" "Krazy Kripples") along with the Chinese, Japanese, gay, and the handicapped.

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  33. Re:I don't feel like installing flash... by kyhwana · · Score: 2, Informative

    ;)
    If you open up the normal .mov that it links to (in firefox, use "view page info") there's a filename, which will be "filename_m480.mov"
    The filename being the same as the normal .mov, just replace the normal/first .mov with that.
    Usually it's just blah_m480.mov which "blah_480.mov" "links" to.

    Unfortuantly, I can't get mplayer to play the audio with that, but quicktime alternative/mediaplayerclassic in windows plays it ok.

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  34. How original! by rjamestaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    • also love comedy sticking it to our current government
    How refreshing! It is so hard to find a comedic medium willing to "stick it" to "our current governement." What an artistic risk!


    (sarcasm, of course.)

    Truly, could anything be more formulaic than a punkish slam at out Government? I don't care what you think of "our government" -- there is no lack in this overrun category. In web terms, a plot line attacking GWB is like a website in 1998 having "Pamela Anderson" in the META tags. Lame.

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  35. Cannibal! The Musical by SpaceRook · · Score: 3, Informative

    I recommend Trey/Matt fans check out Cannibal! The Musical. If you liked the musical numbers in South Park, you'll love this one. Some great squibs, also. Trey's horrible acting and 80's hair (even though the movie was made in the 90's) are hilarious. Don't let a slow start fool you. Listen to the drunken commentary track, too.

  36. Wrong about Malkin by jayrtfm · · Score: 4, Informative

    >>Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals?

    from her site (http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000418.htm)

    Here is how I responded verbatim:

    "Well yeah. Why don't people ask him more specific questions about the shrapnel in his leg? There are legitimate questions about whether or not it was a self-inflicted wound."

    Matthews frantically stuffed words down my mouth when I raised these allegations made in Unfit for Command that Kerry's wounds might have been self-inflicted. In his ill-informed and ideologically warped mind, this transmogrified into me accusing Kerry of "shooting himself on purpose" to get an award.

    I repeated that the allegations involved whether the injuries were "self inflicted wounds." I DID NOT SAY HE SHOT HIMSELF ON PURPOSE and Chris Matthews knows it.

    Only someone who had not read Unfit for Command would interpret what I was saying the way Matthews did. The book raises questions by vets, many of whom were with Kerry, about whether there was or wasn't enemy fire during the Dec. 1968 incident that led to his first Purple Heart (Patrick Runyon is quoted in a Boston Globe account on p. 35 saying "I can't say for sure that we got return fire or how [Kerry] got nicked. I couldn't say one way or the other. I know he did get nicked, a scrape on the arm.") and whether the injury came from a self-inflicted wound after he caught a tiny piece of shrapnel when he fired a grenade from his M-79 grenade launcher too close (p. 36); whether or not there was "intense rocket and rifle fire" during the Feb. 1969 incident that led to his second Purple Heart (Rocky Hildreth, officer of an accompanying boat on Dam Doi Canal that day, says there was no "intense rocket and rifle fire" on p. 78); and whether the shrapnel wound in his buttocks, which Kerry says he sustained in March 1969 and led to the awarding of his third Purple Heart, was the result of a mine explosion while on a mission or from a wound from his own grenade that he set off too close to a stock of rice he was trying to destroy (p. 87). See also pages 30-31. I was trying to get to these points, but Matthews would not let me finish a sentence.

    1. Re:Wrong about Malkin by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's sad about all this crap is that not only is his political agenda not getting across because he's paying so much attention to it, his opponent's political agenda isn't getting across either.

      As a result, if that's what they want me to pay attention to, I'm going to pay attention to the guy who's trying to get his viewpoints and solutions out there so at least if I don't agree with him 100%, I have a good idea of what he's going to do for the next 4 years.

      I'll write in or vote for Nader, or no one at all - unless I start hearing things that give me the ability to consider the other candidates.

      Do I care if that gives Bush another 4 years to fuck up this country? Nope. Kerry did it to himself and let down a whole political party (which consists of lot more voters than appointees), I'm not letting that guy get 4 years to do it. At least I know how Bush is going to let me down, and I make a slim chance for Nader to get elected less slim.

      Of course, neither of the major parties are going to ever consider something like run off voting, which gives the voter more power at the poll booth.

  37. Re:worrisome by Keebler71 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, the rally was a private party so technically they can kick out anyone they wish... and if I were a republican, I doubt I would want hecklers at my private party either. I'm not sure it has anything to do with freedom of speech. If it were a public event I would completely agree with you.

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  38. You proved his point by Monx · · Score: 2, Insightful
    >Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?
    They were heard all the time, they just didn't make any convincing arguments. There wasn't a day that went by that I didn't see "protestors" in a newspaper, etc. The only problem was they were saying "Bush=Hitler" and "Oil Grab", nobody was saying they didn't have WMD, didn't hear it from France, Germany, Arab states, etc. If the best statement a person could give was to call a person another name (and extreme at that) with no facts you WILL get ignored. ...
    >Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?
    And? Are you saying that dissenting opinion isn't on TV? I see desent all the time


    You just proved his point. There were plenty of people with strong arguments against the war. The mainstream media only showed you folks that would be written off as nut-jobs. It's a variation on the straw-man argument. The media showed you that the opposition was a bunch of loons who only know how to yell and wave signs; but it ignored the reasons why these people were protesting just as it ignored the more intellectual opposition to the war.

    People who complain about the liberal media don't know what liberal means. The media in this country is far to the right of the media in most nations.
  39. Re:worrisome by Paulrothrock · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yes, but when there are hecklers at a Kerry event, he mocks them, or uses them as evidence that he's a real threat to the Bush administration. Just because your candidate isn't swift enough to publicly humiliate them on his own doesn't mean they should be handcuffed and carried away.

    Poor Georgie, he might find out that people don't like him!

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  40. The most interesting thing... by abkaiser · · Score: 2, Funny
    All talk of "libertarianism vs. conservatism" or "marionettes vs. puppets" aside, the part I found interesting was reading the "About the Film" section, page 2, talking about Matt and Trey:

    "But they've never before done it with marionettes."

    ...and there was no joke immediately following!

  41. Re:This isn't new... or funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By neglecting to include the 11,000 Iraqi dead in your figures, you have invalidated any credibility your post might have had. Making fun of terrorism is tasteless. Making fun of the War on Terror is fun: it provokes conservatives into making clown noises.

  42. Throw away your vote? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The average US citizen probably has 20, possibly now even 30, votes in their lifetime.

    A vote is only thrown away when you don't vote.

    Vote against your principles only if you think voting for your principles would result in some catastrophic intrusion in your life, but I don't think Bush vs Gore was such an event, nor do I think Bush vs Kerry is also such an event.

  43. Re:Memo to all movie websites by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you're still stuck on a platform where you have to "install" Flash, maybe your problems run deeper than you know.

    Join us in the 21st century.

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  44. Spin Cycle by The+Monster · · Score: 2, Informative
    Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals?
    You mean how she can go on TV to promote her book, but only if first she'll do a segment talking about the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad campaign and the accompanying book Unfit for Command which includes the idea that two of his Purple Heart injuries were the result of Kerry firing a machine gun and lobbing a grenade at nearby targets, which were so close that he actually caught shrapnel indirectly from his own actions.

    You'd never know that from Chris Matthews' shameful attempt to portray her response to Willie Brown's comment about shrapnel circumstances as an accusation that the self-inflicted wounds were deliberate. Having set up this straw man, rather than allowing her to explain the details (he seems unable to allow anyone to speak for five seconds without interrupting them) he followed by cancelling the segment to discuss her book, which would have been good TV.

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  45. You might wanna check your facts.... by kajoob · · Score: 2, Informative

    Matt Stone is a Republican and Trey Parker is a libertarian.

    I saw an interview with Matt where he professed his Republicanism, and here is an article about Trey Parker's letter writing campaign and endorsements of Libertarian candidates.

    Oh and their appearence in Bowling for Columbine? One thing about Michael Moore, if you agree with his views or not, is that he is extremely deceptive with his filmmaking. They didn't make the "History of the USA" cartoon that is in the movie. Michael Moore wrote the cartoon and gave you the impression that the South Park folks had done it by inserting clips from the real South Park in the rest of the movie, interviewing Matt Stone in the movie before the cartoon is shown, and having Harold Moss animate the cartoon in a style that mimics South Park's style. So the interview with the guys pretty much stands on it's own as "South Park and Littleton kinda suck." I don't know how you get "We're flaming liberals!" out of that.

    They do tend to stick it to both sides though, I forget which of then said, "We hate conservatives. But we really fucking hate liberals."

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  46. What a crock of shit--but it got modded up anyway by rd_syringe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As usual, the liberal mantra of "oppressed dissension" is a paranoid lie invented to make Bush look bad.

    Or how they pulled the Reagans?

    The script for the movie was almost entirely falsified. They portrayed everybody in a negative light and even implied Reagan was completely senile. CBS pulled the show after fan complaints--the government didn't do a thing. CBS could have gone ahead and aired it if they wanted to. Fuck, man, Barabara Streisand's husband was playing Reagan!

    Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?

    This is the most laughable claim in your list. Protesters were "barely heard?" Are you freaking kidding me? Every channel on TV aired protester opinions, all the newspapers--even a feature film "documentary" that made $100 million. There are endless liberal smear books on the market right now. You're completely lying, and you know it.

    Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.

    What this has to do with anything, I have no idea. Just a random jab for no reason.

    Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?

    Most of the media is liberal, according to all the polls.

    Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?

    Yeah, it was dropped LAST YEAR. Moore was told about it way back in 2003. Gee, he brought it up right before Cannes as some sort of conspiracy, I wonder why?

    Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.

    Another irrelevant lie. Not every history movie is ahistoric and highly pro-American. Not only have you not viewed every history movie, but I could list endless films that contradict your claim.

    Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"

    Care to cite a single example for this false claim?

    Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?

    What the FUCK does this have to do with the left OR the right wing? It was done out of sensitivity for 2,000 people being lost in New York. It's not a right-wing conspiracy to wipe out the twin towers in an episode of Friends. Jesus H. Christ.

    Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?

    "Honest and non-partisan way" = liberal or anti-American. PBS is well-known as a liberal station. You just demonstrated your bias, lol.

    Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals?

    She didn't. Another complete lie. This is why liberals are frowned upon by the majority of the folks. It's not about issues anymore, it's about personal vitriol toward people you actually HATE because you disagree with them.

    Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity.

    Yet another complete lie. Care to cite a single quote or example?

    Or how only a satiric comedy show (the Daily Show) can actually break and frame issues in a manner which isn't corporate media ass-kissing?

    Funny, since Comedy Central ran ads for Fahrenheit 9/11 an average of EVERY FIVE COMMERCIALS. John Stewart and Stephen Colbare are--you guessed it--self-proclaimed Democrats.

    As a matter of fact, before every taping (as well as in interviews), Stewart always expresses his surprise that people view the Daily Show as a non-biased source of news analysis. It is not.

    Yeah, its pretty PC lefty out there!

    Hollywood is liberal. This is common knowledge. A journalism poll showed that the majority of journalists are liberal.

    You many know some liberals in the industry, bu

  47. I Learned Something Today by prattboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I learned something today. /.-er's will argue about anything. How can we figure out what side of the political spectrum Matt and Trey are on? What would Brian Boitano do in this situation?