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Movie Playback From 1TB Holographic Disc

qorkfiend writes "Optware Corp. has announced successful playback of digital movies on a new holographic recording disc with a reflective layer. Known as the Collinear Holographic Data Storage System, the disc has a one terabyte storage capacity and one gigabyte transfer speed. The disc size is 12cm, comparable to that of a DVD and a CD."

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  1. Don't tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...they expect the technology to be on the market within a decade, right?

    Just like all the previous amazing new storage technologies, of which only one or two percent ever turn out to be commerically viable.

    Back in the '90s, weren't we meant to be using little holographic cubes by the year 2000? Funny how those never showed up, eh?

    1. Re:Don't tell me... by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These guys actually made one that works, though. The difference between this and those other announcements, is that the other ones rely on "magical technology" to be invented for them to work.

      Just like we could build a space elevator in 10 years - just so long as someone invents a way to make carbon nanotubes.

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  2. So close... by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder why the didn't make it EXACTLY the same size as a CD/DVD? One would think this would make life so much easier for everyone. I'd settle for ~900GB on a disc, if it meant it would fit in all the existing technology/drives/spinners/changers that are already out there...

    Otherwise, this is just another "LASERDISC" with better technology that just won't catch on...

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    1. Re:So close... by Uber+Banker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Present CD/DVD drives will not run this, so no difference there making this a different size. Future drives capable of reading/writing this could be made to also read/write CDs and DVDs just as they are today - just have a different sized groove, like CD drives can play mini-CDs today. It is nothing like Laserdisc which was way way ahead of its time - so much so when it was at its peak most computers (certainly CISCs) had no where near the horsepower to read the file format (though some RISCs could).

    2. Re:So close... by dabraham · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'd settle for ~900GB on a disc, if it meant it would fit in all the existing technology/drives/spinners/changers that are already out there...

      umm, I assume that you're complaining about the slight difference in size (just shy of 12 cm vs what appears to be just over 12 cm (I did read the article, it says "The disc diameter of 12 centimeters is equivalent to those of CD and DVD.", but doesn't give exact sizes, and the pictures makes it look a bit bigger)), not getting confused by cm vs. inches.

      That said, I think that there are 2 important things

      1. the H-drives should be designed to hold and play CD/DVDs (the way that cd players typically have depressions for mini-CDs)
      2. the media should be small enough that a drive that can hold it will fit in a 5.25" slot.
      It doesn't matter if this disc can fit in a cd drive as the drive can't play it.

      The only other thing that I can think of that matters is that the case for one of these should be pretty close to the size of a CD jewel case so that you don't need to buy new furniture, but that's pretty minimal. If you're worried about cd library robots or something, well, I don't have one and I don't know anyone who does...

    3. Re:So close... by ejdmoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It has nothing to do with that.

      I like to be able to put a CD in a DVD case, and vice versa. It's also nice to put a CD in a DVD player and have it play. Little convenient things like that.

  3. Not to put a dampner on things... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but you can call me when these things are an actual PRODUCT. Many companies have been claiming massive data storage abilities, some in the range of hundreds of terrabytes! Yet not one has provided a realistic product. Problems include:

    - Too costly to manufacture at a profit
    - Holographics are too susceptible to damage from scratches or normal wear
    - Lasers are difficult to keep calibrated
    - whole bunch of stuff I'm not aware of

    I really would love to see a format that could play hundreds of hours of uncompressed HDTV video. Despite all the press releases, the reality is that it's just not here yet.

  4. Download the internet by waterlogged · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Could you just put the internet on a disk for me so I can bring it home"

    I swear I used to get this question......

    Well with that much space you could cache a good part of it huh.

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  5. Re:White Album by Aerog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I believe the exact term will be "license on a per-user, per-session basis".

    So, in fact, you'll get the joy of "buying" the white album over and over and over and over again.

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  6. Re:What about durability? by 56uSquareWave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to say what the hell would you need that much space for anyway? most normal users would never need that much space (no jokes about bill gates and 64k please), okay we might one day. Or if you are putting HDTV movies on disk But currently if you need that much space the you have something important and as the previous reply says whats to stop you wrapping the media in a hard 'floppy disk style shell'.

    How long is it before everybody stores and shifts their personal data using the net or streams movies/radio off the net? I store nearly all my personal files on my server and never carry media. 99% of the time I can get the files I need through the net. This obsession people have with actually holding data seems a little out dated these days.

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  7. Re:This format is worthless. Pure profit motive. by rasteri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RTFA: They're only doing this to make a buck.

    Hang on a minute, isn't that the only reason any company develops any product?

  8. Re:Okay, maybe Mark Cuban was right by timts · · Score: 1, Insightful

    it will be a lot faster with internet2 and high speed fiber

  9. Blu-RIAA by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, the RIAA and MPAA will probably cripple blu-ray, and then stop producing DVD's, forcing a switch.

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  10. Re:Okay, maybe Mark Cuban was right by bircho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A DVD has 4.7Gb right? But people trade quality for size, and rip it to 700Mb files. How about Telesync?

    There's FLAC, but a lot of people just use 128kbps Mp3.

    Big file format IS NOT a solution to piracy.

  11. What about physical storage for containers? by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Present drives won't read these new discs, but will the new discs require a carrying or storage device that has different dimensions than a common CD/DVD jewel case? If so, that sounds like a pain to deal with to me.

  12. Re:What about durability? by Viking+Coder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After 4K scanned movies, there won't be any more increases in resolution. We can finally stop the new media dance...

    Yeah right. Something something 640K should be enough for something something... =)

    What about 70mm film? That's four times as much data.

    And that doesn't even account for higher framerates producing more data. Or more bits per channel producing even more data.

    Yeah, it's fairly safe to use the old addage, "data expands to fill the available storage space." Video is no different.

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  13. Old News for nerds. Stuff that used to matter... by uodeltasig · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Everyone has his or her own version of this technology, but what about actually make use of it... "Holographic memory offers the possibility of storing 1 terabyte (TB) of data in a sugar-cube-sized crystal." http://computer.howstuffworks.com/holographic-memo ry1.htm And what ever happened to Mini-disc, they had a great idea to but a case around the disc so when we lightly grazed it with our hand we didn't loose our important data we tried to backup. So if you want to impress us... A.) Do the same thing in a small little crystal that I can carry around and not have to worry about scratching and make it reasonably priced and big enough to just buy one crystal. B.) Go back to the old school days of mini-disc and put it in a permanent protective jewel case so I don't have to blow on it and baby it like an old Nintendo.

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  14. Re:Okay, maybe Mark Cuban was right by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, but it is a solution to increasing the value of the product. And value is the reason people buy things.

    I mean, there are lots of people who buy DVDs of content freely available on the internet. Atom films and many of the Flash animation sites generate healthy profit from DVD sales and I'm surely gonna buy that Strong Bad's 100th Email DVD when it comes out, even though I have all 111 flash files on a DVD already...

    Why? Because the quality is better and the format is more attractive and convenient. Making the assumption that it is going to be rather difficult to stop piracy, one way for the industry to encourage people to buy films is to create formats that have even HIGHER quality with even MORE convenience and to release them SOONER in even nicer packages.

    DVD is a first good step towards that goal...tape sales used to be sort of an afterthought, just another use for movies that were intended to make money during their theatre run. Now, DVD sales might bring in a substantial percentage of a film's take, and some media (especially TV series and indie films) make MORE money on DVD then they did first run. As a result, the industry is releasing movies earlier and with more extras than you'll find in a 700 meg XVid file.

    There will always be people who are satisfied with shite quality willing to pirate. The goal of the industry should be to fight the pirates the only way they can (through lawsuits) while simultaneously making it easier and more worthwhile for people not to become pirates in the first damned place.

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  15. Never heard of social responsibility, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    isn't [conscienceless greed] the only reason any company develops any product?

    Nope, never heard of social responsibility, never heard of ethical business practices, never heard of economic justice, fairness, honesty, social justice...

    Well, I'll make a wild guess here and suppose that you just might be... American?

  16. Re:Okay, maybe Mark Cuban was right by RobDogAlpha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure it is... now all the theives will be able to buy one single disc on the street that holds all the music, movies and video games that would have taken them weeks to steal with P2P! Yea for big media and kids with no values!

  17. Re:Okay, maybe Mark Cuban was right by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shit man, you ever try carrying a 2 liter bottle around NYC? You wind up looking like this guy ! It's worth paying an extra $.11 and getting half as much to not look like an idiot. If it weren't, we'd all buy our clothes at Wal-Mart. Value is not simply a matter of material per dollar...there's the quality of the material and its applicability to your needs that must be considered.

    Heck, most of the time generalizing something -- adding more material and/or features to it -- DECREASES its overall value. You hope to make it up in volume, but it's entirely possible that the generalization process will kill your product. If you've got X hours to spend on the creation of set of features, and you increase the size of the set, you decrease the time per feature. If a person only cares about three of the features -- and somebody spent their X hours on only those features -- your product will probably be inferior for their needs. Or soda in a machine -- $1.25 for 16 oz of Coke seems like a really big rip off until it's 2am and you're in the middle of nowhere, thirsty as hell.

    Back to DVDs: the goal of the motion picture industry should be concentrating on what people WANT from a movie. It seems -- based completely unscientifically on what my friends tell me when THEY get new DVDS -- that people want high quality pictures with accurate multichannel sound, tons of interesting content (e.g. deleted scenes and backstage videos of the stars goofing off), attractive packaging (I know four guys who bought the Two Towers Ultimate set just because it came with a Gollum bookend) and early release, while the movie's still in the back of your mind. So-called copy protection isn't selling DVDs, isn't stopping illegal copies and isn't making it easier to pursue damages from infringement, so why bother?

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  18. Re:What about durability? by fatcatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Likewise. I could very much use the space. The grandparent must not be into digital video... I quit using a VCR when I discovered I could get better than VCR quality rips of my favorite TV shows online. One season of any random show is about 10GB. It starts to add up fast; I have hundreds of gigs of stuff now.

    I've resorted to mirroring and backing up to another drive, but that gets expensive. I need 1TB discs and I need them yesterday. Getting them under $10 a disc soon and making them reliable enough that they don't randomly fail like half the CDRs I've used would be cooler than I can put into words.

  19. Re:size.. by msebast · · Score: 2, Insightful
  20. Re:Screw Blu-ray by fatcatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's assuming organisations like the RIAA and MPAA would allow HVD.

    News flash: Those fuckers don't get a say in this.

  21. Re:2 liters in NYC? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Liquid measure is an unusual thing in the States, we're sort of schizophrenic about it. Milk, paint, gasoline and blood are all measured in "English" -- gallons, pints, quarts, ounces and the like. Soda pop, cooking oil and liquor are generally measured in metric. I say generally, because it's not so easy. Soda comes in 12oz, 16 oz, 1 litre, 32 oz (which is a bit less than a liter), 2 liter and 3 liter containers. Beer comes in 12 and 16oz bottles but hard liquor generally comes in 750 ml, 1 liter, 1.5 liter bottles.

    I believe the schizophrenia stems from a desire for package uniformity in beverages that are also marketted overseas. But it does create wierd situations like going out for a gallon of milk and 2 liters of coke, or drinking 2 ounces of whiskey from a 750 ml bottle.

    Incidentally, how many mililiters are there in a swig? Or, let's say, a metric shotglass? Do you get more liquor from a 2 oz shot or the metric equivalent -- and does the variance explain US policy with reference to the rest of the world?

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  22. Re:Storage space galore... by fatcatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did you know that you would have to take 1,000,000 pictures a day to fill up a 100 terabyte disk in one lifetime?

    Uh, no it wouldn't. My digital camera takes pictures that are 6 megs a pop. That's only 166 pictures on my 1GB CF card. So, 116,000 pictures per TB, or 16,600,000 pictures per 100TB.

    I think I'm going to live longer than 16.6 days, big guy.

    Hell, just what sort of shitty camera do you have where you can fit a million pictures in a terabyte? What's that, 100kb a piece? That camera must be a relic of the stone age (eg, 1990s)...

  23. Re:2 liters in NYC? by daveashcroft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in the UK, a public bar can offer spirits in EITHER 25ml or 35ml (1/4gill) measures. They have to apply for their licence to do so, and somewhere prominent in the bar there will be a plaque advising the patrons of which of those volumes a "standard measure" is.

    And to make it worse, if you are in england/wales, you generally have to drink it up before 11pm as thats when the bars close. In Scotland however, its a WHOLE different matter :D Thank god for scottish licensing laws! :D