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Hamster-Powered Night Light

An anonymous reader writes "Though Skippy the Hamster powers this night light by running on his excercise wheel, the same concepts and low-rpm alternator design could be applied to a school science project using different energy sources! A small wind or hydro turbine could easily power this alternator. The Otherpower.com staff thought of building a hamster-powered nightlight a couple years ago at a rather, uh, soused company Christmas party. Then recently Analise, an 8th grader from Albuquerque, NM, contacted DanF through the AllExperts.com Science For Kids forum, asking 'Can a rodent generate enough electricity to power a light by running on it's wheel?'"

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  1. 1 Watt by brejc8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got about 1 Watt from my electric hamster but I think you could get much better from the real thing.
    1 watt is enough to power a few LEDs. (Or an asynchronous microprocessor)

    1. Re:1 Watt by danamania · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ha. I shall power my entire house with my army of one button mice

    2. Re:1 Watt by robsteele · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm just guessing but couldn't you get more energy out of the critter by setting it on fire?

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    3. Re:1 Watt by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

      You couldn't have seen THIS one in 1998 - the iMac had just come out, and this photo had an eMac in it.

  2. Heh. by London+Bus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess this article should really be under "It's funny. Laugh.". Using animals' movement to power a nightlight (which presumably has to be on for upwards of 10 hours a day) is about as good an idea as teens4christ. Still, it's a neat way to teach kids about dynamos and the like, I'll grant them that! Anything that gets kids interested in science can only be a good thing.

    1. Re:Heh. by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Anything that gets kids interested in science can only be a good thing.
      And this will be my defence for my next book: "Creating Meth labs for fun and profit!"

      (Cue the 'Step 3: Profit' jokes now... we all know they're coming)
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    2. Re:Heh. by Omega+Leader-(P12) · · Score: 3, Funny

      You obviously don't know kids, what is needed is a light when they are going to sleep and if they wake up crying the rat needs to be trained to jump on the wheel and run.

      So much less than 10+ hours of running is needed, but I am sure one of those super marathon rodents from yesterday couldn't hurt.

    3. Re:Heh. by philbert26 · · Score: 4, Funny
      One could also argue that getting kids interested in Jesus Christ can only be a better thing.

      He is the light of the world, after all (John 8:12). And he doesn't even need a hamster.

    4. Re:Heh. by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's Step 4: Profit. Sheesh, everyone knows that. Step 3 is the missing step.

    5. Re:Heh. by B'Trey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That idea seems to be fading.

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    6. Re:Heh. by strictfoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ever see that old George Carlin routine about how god has been one of the leading killers of man throughout the ages?

      Yes the great philosopher George Carlin. George "they _only_ killed 3000 people on 9/11 - what's the big deal?" Carlin. I don't know if there's a man more full of himself.

      That argument is tired and old. Those people were not killed by God or religion, they were killed by people taking advantage of the beliefs of others for their own corrupt political/selfish/disgusting gains.

      I don't see most religions having those problems anymore (with one notable exception - hopefully that religion will get it figured out over the next decade or two).

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    7. Re:Heh. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ..about as good an idea as teens4christ. Still, it's a neat way to teach kids about dynamos and the like, I'll grant them that! Anything that gets kids interested in science can only be a good thing.

      One could also argue that getting kids interested in Jesus Christ can only be a better thing.


      Getting kids interested in Science, Jesus Christ, Art, History, and books are all good things. Actually getting kids out and doing something positive and real instead of sitting in front of a screen all day is all good.

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  3. There's not enough hamsters in the world to... by Scythr0x0rs · · Score: 5, Funny

    power your website while it's being slashdotted.

    1. Re:There's not enough hamsters in the world to... by gavint · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's why the Google cache is powered by Pigeons.

  4. Devo! by vuvewux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man has finally harnessed the power of animals. Soon we will be able to bring animals to other fields, replacing farm equipment and automobiles.

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    1. Re:Devo! by nih · · Score: 3, Funny

      did the hamster that was powering the web server die?

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    2. Re:Devo! by 5m477m4n · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure within a week the hamsters will form a union. They'll become so expensive, that we'll start outsourcing our hamster needs to India.

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  5. Build one of these for Oprah... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 5, Funny

    String a baked ham to the thing and see if she can light up Chicago.

    Thankyou, I'll be here all week. Try the fish.

  6. In other news... by uodeltasig · · Score: 5, Funny

    Skippy dies due to slashdotting a site with 14 pictures of him... Now who is going to power the annoyingly loud little nightlight?

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  7. Power by Outsider_99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I heard a theory once about getting a gym to power their lights from the people in the gym. The idea was to hook up all the bikes to a generator. I think its a good idea.

    1. Re:Power by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember hearing about a gym bike that had a generator connected to it. The idea was that if you kept exercising, you could watch as much TV as you like...or physically able too. heh

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    2. Re:Power by Skater · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was one at a nuclear power plant in Berwick, PA (in the visitor's center). I wasn't able to power it for more than a few minutes despite riding a bike daily...

      In that case, the TV was hooked to a video camera pointed at the cyclist. The electricity the cyclist generated went to running the lights so the camera had enough light to show a picture.

      --RJ

    3. Re:Power by syphax · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm all for this, but you have to realize that the economics don't work.

      A pretty good cyclist pedaling pretty hard (200-250W) would take 4-5 hours to generate 1 kWh (worth around 10 cents).

      If you were paying the cyclist (in the case of a gym, fortunately they are paying you), you're looking at $25+ per kWh. That makes solar look damn cheap!

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    4. Re:Power by Aguila · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've also ridden one at a nuclear power plant, and had difficulty maintaining power output. However, if I recall, the difficulty was due to lack of optimisation of the bicycle. First, the riding position (seat height, frame size) was not very adjustable, forcing me to ride in an awkward position. More importantly, however, the bike was the equivalent of a single speed bicycle... no ability to switch gears. Therefore, to obtain a high power output, it was necessary to have a very high cadence (peddle very quickly), which most likely switched the excercise from aerobic to anaerobic. If they would make a 10-speed model, I expect that a good bicyclist could maintain a decent power output relatively easily.

    5. Re:Power by pclminion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, but the original poster was talking about lighting up the gym, not selling power. If you assume an average of 100 watts per exerciser (many people can't sustain 200 watts let alone 250), that's more than enough power to light the gym up. Especially with modern high-efficiency fluorescent lights.

  8. Agonisingly true Douglas Adams/John Lloyd quote by zaxios · · Score: 5, Funny

    From ALBUQUERQUE, you say?

    ALBUQUERQUE (n.)

    A shapeless squiggle which is utterly unlike your normal signature, but which is, nevertheless, all you are able to produce when asked formally to identify yourself. Muslims, whose religion forbids the making of graven images, use albuquerques to decorate their towels, menu cards and pyjamas.

  9. 25+ years ago, by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I did something similar for a wind generator for a futuristic class (in 1977, no less). One of the designs had an inner and an outer counter-rotating blades which later struck me as too complex. But I was thinking that a design with the magnets at the outer edges made a lot of sense.

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    1. Re:25+ years ago, by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I helped design a extremely simple wind generatior system for 3rd world countries that uses discarded 55 gallon drums and car parts as the rotor to drive a pully and modified car alternator. (we designed it so the locals can get over 80% of the parts from abandoned cars that they come across)

      we have a few that have survived hurricanes easily and only threw the belt off.

      most wind generators can be extremely simple with no moving parts except for the rotor (Yes, it does NOT track with the wind, as it is vertical.)

      Animal power generation is certianly possible.

      the key is to modify your alternator/generator to use the surplus extreme power magnets and rewind the coils so it will generate decent amperage at low rpm's by adding more coils. (making your own alternator is easy with a car strut+wheelbearing+ break rotor)

      I have seen a generator that would produce almost 15 watts at 12 volts from a horse exercize merry-go-round. 2 horses generated an average of 5 watts from less than 12 dollars of parts while they mose-yed around in a circle for a couple of hours, and 99% of that cost was the magnets. certianly cheaper than any solar panels and every watt you pump into that battery is precious... It generated enough power in a small battery bank to light a workroom very well and for a few hours with a 4 watt CF flouresent lamp that makes most 40 watt bulbs look dim.

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    2. Re:25+ years ago, by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      a place to start is otherpower.com

      also look at home power magazine.

      I basically worked off of information I found online starting with otherpower.com and modified them for durability (Lots and lots of epoxy to protect things from weather) or ease of repair (no epoxy!)

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  10. I can see it now... by halivar · · Score: 3, Funny

    A desert covered in hordes hamster wheels, all providing power to the Western U.S.

    We can hire Mexican immigrants to change the wood shavings!

  11. Yes. by suss · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Can a rodent generate enough electricity to power a light by running on it's wheel?'

    If it thinks it's being chased by Richard Gere, then yes, it probably can.

  12. Re:Yes but by suss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Would it work with badgers?

    The people at the Badger Institute Of Devon, England have been conducting experiments and have come to the conclusion that yes, badgers can generate electricity while running in a wheel, if two other conditions are met; those involving mushrooms and a snake. Oh yes, it's a snake.

    Magical Trevor, the head of the department, was unavailable for further comment.

  13. Re:Prior Art! by gkelman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've been using my human power to get to the Internet during power outages

    Does running down the street shouting "HELP! Does anyone have 'net access at the moment? I need the interweb!" really count?

  14. Our last hope... gone... by tacarat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now that we can be replaced with hamsters, why are the machines going to keep us around? I imagine they'll get a great ROI by ditching the human based Matrix in favor of a less complex one designed to simulate a glass cage with tubing in some 5th grader's bedroom.

    Google cache here

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  15. childpower by dresseduptoday · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hah. This reminds me of my favourite power source, children. Everybody knows that kids have an infinite supply of energy. Now, if kindergartens had toys that absorbs this energy from the children in their games, the kindergartens can actually become very lucrative power plants, paying the parents to have their kids there. Hyperactive kids are of course the ideal ;-) _ /Bjorn.

  16. If you really want to see power by uodeltasig · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out google's use of pigeon power, it's The technology behind Google's great results

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  17. Re:efficiency? by at_18 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This makes me wonder how much a human would produce in a big wheel or several humans in a long wheel.

    A moderately-trained human being can generate about 100 watts for several hours (in addition to the other 100 watts needed for the body to live). Top long-distance athletes (cycling, running) can go up to around 400 watts, but only for a limited amount of time (less than 1 hour). Peak power is of course higher (1 KW for a few seconds?).

  18. Day of the Tentacle by Stephen+Williams · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many of these would be required to power a time machine?

    -Stephen

    1. Re:Day of the Tentacle by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tons, but remember to let them dry out before adding them to the furnace.

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  19. Come Pinky! by gijoel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come Pinky! We must prepare for tomorrow night! Why? What are we going to do tomorrow night, Brain? The same thing we do every night, Pinky... Try to power the norhteastern seaboard!!!

  20. Alternatively:Hamster Wheel As CPU Cooler by foobsr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Quote: "To save energy, it would make sense to utilise the senselessly relentless pedestrian marathon tendencies of the domestic hamster (fatface domesticus). ..."

    loc. cit.

    CC.

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  21. Slightly OT - Human Hamster Wheels & Energy Ge by Afty0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So I'm curious. I run/jog a bit, and if I use the gym they have machines that waste electricity just to make me run on the spot.

    If we were to get a human-sized hamster wheel, how much energy could I *generate* on it doing a, say, 30 min hard run every morning?
    If everyone did this, would it have an impact on our electricity usage in the homes - and provide an incentive for overweight people to jog (not only lose weight, but save money on electricity bills). Not only this, but it's good to jog on a surface which has your footfall a little higher than the point your foot leaves the ground (as a wheel would) because it lessens impact fatigue on your ankles and particularly knees.

  22. Crystal Set Radio Powered Quartz Clock by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to have a 1.5V analogue quartz wall clock that was powered by a Crystal Set. With a 10m antenna, I could pull in enough power to run the thing 24/7.

    Other things, such as LEDs and small motors, used to get hooked up to the set too.

    I also found a 1930s radio speaker in a junk shop - it was in a walnut case and included a multi-tapped transformer to give the speaker numerous effective impedances from 3.4 Ohms all the way up to 2K Ohms. Set on 2K Ohms, the crystal set was easily as loud as a small battery-powered AM radio.

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  23. Scaling Up by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is basically an IIRC (if I recall correctly), but for those of you wanting to know what humans can do along these lines...

    1. With a stationary bicycle hooked up to a small generator, a human who is classified as in moderate shape can power a 13 inch black and white television at about an even rate - pedal for half an hour, watch for half an hour.

    2. it takes a near olympic grade athelete to power a 19 inch color set continuously and even then, it's a for a single half hour program or less. Mere mortal cyclists can charge a battery and get about a half hour of TV for over an hour's pedalling.

    3. Those first two examples are based on 1980's era designs. These days, half an hour of cycling should be able to charge a laptop battery for about 4 hours use, or load up all the rechargeable batteries for several portable music players and portable game systems, and a bit extra for your flashlights.

    I'd document these claims in detail and with rigor, but really, the frackin article started off with frackin hamsters and I just thought of a really dumb joke - see my next post.

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  24. Can someone help me here? by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Funny


    Can I get these fricken hamsters with self powered fricken laser beams on their fricken heads?

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  25. Re:Slightly OT - Human Hamster Wheels & Energy by JazzHarper · · Score: 3, Informative

    On a treadmill, an adult male can probably sustain a power output of about 100W. For humans, bicycles are more efficient than treadmills. I've generated an average power of 200W for 2 hours on a stationary bike and I'm a middle-aged geek, not an athlete.

    People are usually interested in this to figure out their calorie burn rate. Here are the conversions:

    1 dietary calorie = 1000 calories = 4186.8 joules = 4186.8 watt-seconds = 0.001163 kWh

    Human efficiency is 20-25%, so you can calculate that you actually burn 4 or 5 dietary calories for every 4000 J of mechanical energy you produce.
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  26. How much electricity? by hashwolf · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Can a rodent generate enough electricity to power a light by running on it's wheel?"

    Well it methinks it all depends how big the rodent is... AFAIK the capybara is the biggest rodent.
    From the size of it I guess it could generate enough electric juice to power a high power halogen lamp.

    Here are some pics of the beast:
    http://www.rebsig.com/capybara/capy2.jpg
    http://stockpix.com/stock/animals/mammals/smallmam mals/9801.jpg

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  27. Re:nor are there by JollyFinn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Get a condom that is strong enough, and put hamster in it. And there's your hamster powered vibrator, when, one hamster stops giving you the vibes change hamster.

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  28. Re:efficiency? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a Untrained human can produce easily 25-40 watts for several hours on a recumbent pedal generator. we did this last Field day. 5 Ham radio operators (usually fat guys) on home made recumbent pedal generators made enough electricity by leisurely pedaling to power all the radios used for around the world contacts for that 24 hours. some of the radios had a 100Watt power output and there certianly were more than 4 radios working at a time.

    the key is power -> battery bank -> devices. when the radios are recieving they draw very little so the power you generate is stored for that high power intermittent draw.

    none of us were atheletes in any way shape or form, and it was not difficult for any of us to do a 2 hour stint on the generators because of thwe recumbent design.

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  29. Harnessing the power of people opening doors? by ChoyLeeFut · · Score: 3, Insightful
    When I was working in downtown Toronto and participating in the morning pedestrian rush hour in the underground tunnel network beneath the financial sector (for those unfamiliar with the area, it's pretty extensive), I started to wonder if there were some way to harness the power of the motion of the many doors (including the fire-break doors). Now it seems that, like the hamster on the wheel, we have a way to transform the mindless movement of the masses into something useful.

    Now if only we had a way to just plug people directly into the power grid....

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    1. Re:Harnessing the power of people opening doors? by Red+Dane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True enough, pressure plates that push downwards and generate power (I.e. people walk across them)? Just some thoughts.

  30. Re:Slightly OT - Human Hamster Wheels & Energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was at the Glastonbury Festival this summer, one of the UK's biggest summer festivals which gets crammed with 150,000 hippies every year.

    In one of the tents, a exercise bike was rigged up to a sound system (I assume with a resevoir to hold the power gained.) The idea being that the dance tent could be self sustained, green and economical enough to provide it's own electricity for the music, lights and bar equipment.

    It worked! However not many people want to beast themselves on a bike/treadmill for 45 mins to listen to music and have a nice pint of beer.

    Quite unique for the Glastonbury festival anyway I thought!

    Mmmmmmm beer.

  31. Re:Slightly OT - Human Hamster Wheels & Energy by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ball park figure, if you're in really good shape and put a serious workout into it you may be able to run a bicycle-generator at 150 watts for a half hour.

    That's 0.075 kilowatt-hours of power from your half-hour workout. Probably less than one cent worth of electricity (depending on your local electric prices).

    Even if you had an entire gym full of people running them continuously the value of electricity produced is neglegible, and the extra hardware and maintanence costs to add generators and wiring to the equipment makes it a losing proposition.

    You'd be better off digging ditches at minimum wage and using the money to buy solar cells or a wind turbine or to simply pay someone to pump oil out of the ground and burn it.

    On the other hand, I guess a gym could set it up as a motivational gimmick. Running the lights and what-not off of "excercise power" would actually be more expensive, but maybe you can draw and hold costomers with the gimmick. Having the exercise machines display watts of power and total watt-hours for the session might give customers more focus and goals in their workout. And they get to feel they are being enviornmentally "green", chuckle.

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  32. Creepy image .... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny
    A desert covered in hordes hamster wheels, all providing power to the Western U.S.


    Why does this sound like a pre-cursor to the matrix or something?

    =)

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  33. Dexter Lab and Gyro Gearloos by SWTP_OS9 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry! The mutiple hampster wont power much beyond the LED. Dexter tried it with 100 and no go! Would not recharg his lab!

    Even if you use a larger creature like a water buffalo like Gyro Grearloos did in an underdevelop country. It still takes way too many men to shove them up and down the ramp to generate power.

  34. Is hamster food cheaper than petrol or diesel ??? by Dark$ide · · Score: 2, Funny
    The problem I have with this is that skippy needs fuel. He's going to be burning extra calories pushing that little alternator that the folks have sneaked onto his wheel.

    • Is the cost of those extra sunflower seeds and the extra grain cheaper than driving this alternator with an internal combustion engine?
    • What happens when skippy gets bored, he'll have more food but less excercise - who's going to pay the vets bill when skippy gets obese?
    • Will this cause or prevent heart disease in skippy?
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  35. Take the what pill? by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Woah, and Keanu Reeves wakes up from the Matrix and discovers that he's a hamster! I knew it, and it explains so many things about him!

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    1. Re:Take the what pill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hamsters generally have a greater range of facial expressions than Keanu Reeves.

  36. Just one? by qray · · Score: 2, Funny

    One hamster may not be much, but imagine a building full of hamsters each running on its own wheel! And for those peak usage periods just throw in a cat to the mix.

    1. Re:Just one? by justkarl · · Score: 2, Funny

      One hamster may not be much, but imagine a building full of hamsters each running on its own wheel!

      I'm sorry, but we're on slashdot. Any post like this needs to be in the format: "Imagine a beowolf cluster of....". Thanks for playing.

  37. Dies anyone remember the ad... by JFMulder · · Score: 2, Funny

    from Budweiser where you had a rodent running in a wheel with a Budweiser in front of it. Some guy passes by and decides to take the beer. At that exact moment, the rodent stops running and all of New York light's turn off. So the guy decides to put it back in front of the wheel and the rodent starts running again, turning the lights of the city back on.

  38. I Tried That by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Captured the mouse in my room.

    Told him to run fast enough to power my night light.

    He didn't run fast enough to make enough light for me to see to feed him so he didn't have enough energy to run fast enough to...

    Result: dead mouse. No night light.

    Now I can't see to clean up the dead mouse.

    Room smells bad.

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  39. Re:efficiency? by jkujawa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A world-class bike sprinter can generate 1.9 KW (almost 3 horsepower!) for a few seconds.

  40. millions of mini windmills on our highways by evilmousse · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Some time ago I got a flat tire, and was constantly blown back by the windforce of passing trucks. The thought occurred to me, that all that energy goes to waste despite being very predictable and fairly ubiquitous accross our country. I'd like to see someone invent a very disposable, mass-producable, cheap windmill, maybe as big as a pinwheel, that we can use to cover the center medians of our highways and possibly power at LEAST all the traffic lights.
    This article looks like the efficiencies are increasing.. now to make it fractions of a penny to produce.

    -g

  41. Screw hamster power by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm just glad to see otherpower.com linked on Slashdot. Well, maybe. Er.. Anyway, I'm not participating in the /. effect this time (in other words, I did not RTFA) because I've read his site a million times.

    The guys at otherpower.com do cool stuff. If you're wondering, "what's the point" with the hamster nightlight, you aren't seeing the whole picture. These guys have built, on their own, dozens of pieces of creative power generator equipment -- mostly out of wood!

    Click around on the site a little bit (AFTER the Slashdotting subsides) and check out the other, real stuff they do. Like, making a 3 kilowatt wind turbine using a Volvo brake assembly, neodymium magnets and hand-wound copper coils, and hand-made wooden blades. I dream of having a workshop to do that kind of stuff.

  42. Here's a two button mouse with a button mouse... by antdude · · Score: 2, Funny
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