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Facts and Fallacies of Software Engineering

Sarusa writes "The title of the book, Facts and Fallacies of Software Engineering, is nice and controversial, and so is the content. Robert Glass is a long-time software engineer and researcher into what software practices work, which don't, and why. You'll find his name all over the literature along with names like Yourdon and Brooks, and he's got a long list of professional credits. In other words, he's an experienced, cranky, opinionated old coot who pulls no punches and writes a very readable and useful book. And he's on your side, having deliberately passed up a more lucrative career in management for a technical track." Read on for the rest of Sarusa's review. Facts and Fallacies of Software Engineering author Robert L. Glass pages 190 publisher Addison-Wesley rating 8 out of 10 reviewer Sarusa ISBN 0321117425 summary 40 years of software engineering research in a nutshell.

The Layout

Facts and Fallacies is not a technically demanding book; it's a very easy and compelling read. There are 55 Facts (and 5+5 fallacies) grouped into logical sections such as Management, Life Cycle, and Quality.

First, each Fact is stated succinctly. (For instance, Fact 1: The most important factor in software work is not the tools or techniques used by the programmers, but rather the quality of the programmers themselves.) Then the point is fleshed out more fully -- in this case, that even with all the periodic hype for some hot new methodology that promises orders of magnitude greater productivity, the quality of your programmers matters far more than anything else (and even the best new methods only offer 5-35% increases).

Next, the level of controversy about this Fact is discussed. For Fact 1, it's that even though everyone pays lip service to the idea of people being more important than processes, we all still act like it's not true. Maybe this new hot methodology can turn all your lousy programmers into great ones! Perhaps it's because people are a harder problem to address than tools, techniques, and process. And, of course, hot new methodologies sell a lot of books.

Finally comes a list of sources and references, which can lead you to more in-depth great reading like Peopleware and Software Runaways. This all works out to about one to two pages per item.

The Facts and Fallacies

The Facts and Fallacies fall into several groups. Some are not well known (or just met with stunned disbelief) such as Fact 31: Error removal is the most time-consuming phase of the life cycle. Some that are pretty well accepted, but are mostly ignored, like Fact 1 above. Some that are accepted, but nobody can agree on what to do about (if anything), like Fact 9 (paraphrased) #150: Project estimates are done at the beginning of the project when you have insufficient understanding of the requirements and scope, which makes it a very bad time to do an estimate for the entire project.

Some Facts Glass acknowledges many people will flat out disagree with (and for a few people, very loudly), like Fact 30: COBOL is a very bad language, but all the others (for business data processing) are so much worse. These are the Facts where he really has an axe to grind, and make for amusing reading. In this case what he's really saying is that there is a use for domain-specific languages intended to do one specific thing and do it well, rather than languages like C and Java which attempt to be "good enough" for any use under the sun. But everyone hates COBOL, including me, so it's controversial.

What's Good?

Again, this is a good (and fast) Read. Even if you don't agree with everything, Glass is a skilled writer with strong opinions and a sense of humor. And you might end up agreeing more than you expected. I was pretty skeptical when I started reading. After all, I'm a long time software engineer with strong opinions too, and how often do you get opinionated geeks to agree on even what soda or text editor to use? But most of the Facts resonated with my experience, and of course for most of them Glass has substantial research reference for. The best Facts are those that you knew but might never have expressed explicitly, like Fact 41: Maintenance typically consumes 40 to 80 percent (average, 60 percent) of software costs. Therefore, it is probably the most important life cycle phase of software.

Or consider Fact 18: There are two 'rules of three' in reuse: (a) it is three times as difficult to build reusable components as single use components, and (b) a reusable component should be tried out in three different applications before it will be sufficiently general to accept into a reuse library. I knew this generally, and you probably did too, but I didn't know the specific reference for "Biggerstaff's Rules of Three," which give you a ballpark figure.

The book was written in 2002, when eXtreme Programming was hot, and it's very interesting that the predictions Glass made in this book about the strengths and weaknesses of XP were, in retrospect, pretty much on target, and this sort of predictive success helps confirm more viscerally that he knows his subject.

What's Bad?

There are a few Facts in here that Glass included just because he feels strongly about them (or even about specific people) and he doesn't really back them up very strongly except with "well golly, this is so obvious." Like Fallacy 5: Programming can and should be egoless. Note that this is a Fallacy, so he opposes it. I happen to agree with him, but his arguments are mostly personal ox-goring even if they're based on his extensive experience. Still, it's an interesting read.

A few of the Fallacies he feels are so obvious that he doesn't even really bother providing sources or references for them, and this somewhat diminishes the overall feel of rigor.

Really, the worst thing about this book is that it doesn't come with a poster of just a bullet-pointed list of facts and fallacies that you can nail to your office wall (or your boss's).

A Few More Facts

Just to whet your appetite:

Fact 21: For every 25% increase in problem complexity, there is a 100% increase in solution complexity.

Fact 37: Rigorous inspections [code reviews] can remove up to 90% of errors before the first test case is run. [But are so mentally and emotionally exhausting that we rarely do them.]

Fallacy 10: You teach people how to program by showing them how to write programs. Why don't we teach them to read programs first? Good question (and he has a few possible answers).

In Conclusion

I wouldn't say this Facts and Fallacies of Software Engineering is quite as powerful as The Mythical Man Month, Peopleware or Death March on their own, but if you program (or manage programmers) and want to be more than just a code pig, this will give you the condensed version of 40 years of research in a very readable package. Even if you don't agree with everything he says, it's well worth considering it.

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  1. "experienced, cranky, opinionated old coot" by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    You could have shortened that to "experienced"; the rest follows naturally from that.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  2. Another review... by tcopeland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...this one by Mike Cohn of Mountain Goat Software.

    Mike's review is from the "agile software" point of view, so he comments favorably on (among others) Fact 22 - "Eighty percent of software work is intellectual. A fair amount of it is creative. Little of it is clerical".

  3. Re:What bugs me.. by racer19 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's like the 80/20 rule...it's a ROM (Rough Order of Magnitude).

    No, it's not an exact figure, but it sure got his point across as to
    an approximation of the relationship, didn't it?

    --
    Could someone please point out to me where in the Constitution, exactly, is the "Right To Not Be Offended"?
  4. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by daveo0331 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he was in management, wouldn't he have more influence which he could use to change things for the better? Just because you have a management position doesn't automatically mean that you believe in the PHB management style.

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    Remember the days when Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility?
  5. Deadlines by Scoria · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The most important factor in software work is not the tools or techniques used by the programmers, but rather the quality of the programmers themselves.

    Another important factor is the amount of time that they are given to accomplish the task. Certain programmers, including many who are otherwise excellent, procrastinate and cannot meet deadlines. And, as we're aware, even good programmers often take shortcuts once fatigue begins to set in.

    --
    Do you like German cars?
  6. Fact 37 - code reviews catch errors by tcopeland · · Score: 4, Informative
    > Fact 37: Rigorous inspections [code reviews]
    > can remove up to 90% of errors before the
    > first test case is run. [But are so mentally
    > and emotionally exhausting that we
    > rarely do them.]

    I think some of these terms mean different things to different people. When he says "test case", he means (I think) a tester clicking around a UI and adding a new employee or whatever. But "test case" can also mean a unit test, i.e.:
    Employee e = new Employee("Fred");
    assertEquals(e.getName(), "Fred", "Name not set correctly on instantiation");
    The latter meaning of unit test provides a way to do "rigorous inspections" over and over - because a computer is doing the work. Good times.
    1. Re:Fact 37 - code reviews catch errors by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sure, but code reviews (especially of the latest patches, instead of whole tracts of fresh code) can easily catch errors for which no test exists, or for which no simple test is possible.

      Just as an example off the top of my head, it's common to write

      if (condition = immediate) ...
      which in some languages could be caught by the compiler, but not always. The author of that line can read it over and over but something in his brain will replace the mistaken '=' with '=='. The code reviewer has no such preconceptions and will (might) see it immediately.

      One good example of open review is the Mozilla project, where all commits must be reviewed by at least two people, at least one of whom must be the owner of the relevant subtree of the project. (sorry if this is not quite right, i'm going from memory here). As a result the quality of the code making it into the Mozilla tree is pretty high, with minimum "paper bag" errors.

    2. Re:Fact 37 - code reviews catch errors by abigor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, unit testing and code reviews are orthogonal. Unit tests verify correctness for certain types of input, but often fail to catch subtle bugs or identify poor solutions (bad algorithms or whatever), and of course they are only as good as the person who wrote them - most often, the person who wrote the code being tested in the first place. So the input to the unit test is often just the sort of thing the code was written to manage, not edge cases and so forth.

      Nothing compares to a code review done by a super-anal type who nitpicks over everything. It is amazing what such a person can catch in terms of weird edge cases, inefficiencies, and so forth, simply by making you sit there and justify what you've done. Like the reviewer said, they are emotionally draining, but are truly worth it.

    3. Re:Fact 37 - code reviews catch errors by tcopeland · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > a super-anal type who nitpicks over everything

      Hm. Maybe that super-anal person could fill the missing test cases for all those edge conditions. Then his analness will be preserved for posterity, because everyone can run those test cases to catch possible bugs in future code changes.

  7. COBOL by MikeMacK · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Fact 30: COBOL is a very bad language, but all the others (for business data processing) are so much worse

    COBOL is an old language, not necessarily a bad language. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it. If you like programming in COBOL then you'll probably be good at it. If you like programming in Java, then you'll probably be able to code any business data processing functionality you need in it too. I think it's best to use the tool you're most comfortable with.

  8. Re:What bugs me.. by j.+andrew+rogers · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The 25% increase in problem complexity creating a 100% increase in solution complexity is probably reflective of what is effectively a combinatorial explosion in implementation required to make all the various parts of the model play nicely together under all circumstances.

    In fact, I've generally held that the complexity of implementation is generally an exponential function of the general complexity of the problem. Allowing additional degrees of freedom in a design is typically very expensive. You aren't just adding that additional degree of freedom to the design, you have to make the rest of the design aware of that new dimension and put it into implementation.

  9. So COBOL is like Capitalism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the worst system except for all the others.

  10. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by Mateito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hear hear!

    This is the big problem with management. Pre-boom managers were PHBs, and thus promote PHBs. New skilled IT people look at PHBs and think, I don't want to be like that, so I won't become a manager.

    So its a self-feeding cycle.

    WE NEED MORE GEEKS IN MANAGEMENT.

    Right now, I should be writing my MBA assignment, worth 25% of the subject, due in at midnight tommorrow, but instead I'm procrastinating on SlashDot. If that doesn't qualify me to be a geek manager, I don't know what does.

  11. "Fact", but still irrelevant by fishwallop · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In regards to Fact 37 ("Rigorous inspections [code reviews] can remove up to 90% of errors before the first test case is run, but are so mentally and emotionally exhausting that we rarely do them."): so what?

    If a code review, which takes several hours of my time and the time of my fellow developers, can catch 90% of the errors before the first test case is run, or I can catch 90% of the errors (not necessarily the same ones) using the test cases, it's a better use of resources to let the computer point the errors out to me.

    A code review on "90% debugged" software that finds an error strikes me as more useful than a code review that finds several errors in 0% debugged software.

    As for fact #1, good process or tools may not be able to make all programmers gods, but bad process or tools can make a mortal out of anyone.

  12. Fact 21 Addendum by SlashCrunchPop · · Score: 5, Funny
    Fact 21: For every 25% increase in problem complexity, there is a 100% increase in solution complexity.

    Addendum: Unless you are talking about a Microsoft product where for every 1 % increase in problem complexity, there is a 7 year delay in solution delivery.

  13. Book Club by Viking+Coder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We had a Book Club at my job, where we reviewed one to four Facts or Fallacies at each meeting, once a week. We collected comments and suggestions about how to change how we worked. It was really interesting, and it was good to engage more people in the discussion, because while I might really care about this stuff and have strong opinions, other people in our organization did not have strong opinions and actually started to think about this stuff as a result of our meetings.

    Unfortunately, our suggestions didn't really get anywhere as a Massive Reorganization (TM) of the department took place. *grumble*

    We're thinking of doing another Book Club, talking about the "Dynamics of Software Development" by Jim McCarthy.

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    Education is the silver bullet.
    1. Re:Book Club by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Funny
      We had a Book Club at my job

      We had a Fight Club at my job, but I'm not allowed to talk about it.

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      8 of 13 people found this answer helpful. Did you?
  14. Fact 41 - maintenance by tcopeland · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Fact 41: Maintenance typically consumes
    > 40 to 80 percent (average, 60 percent)
    > of software costs. Therefore, it is probably
    > the most important life cycle phase of software.

    Hm. This is a tricky one. Does maintenance take that big a chunk because of the way we write v1.0? Maybe we can improve our initial code to make subsequent changes easier. And build in a safety net of units tests to make those changes less painful.

    A lot of maintenance may be a good sign - it may mean that the program is being evolved and improved and is actually useful to someone. Dead programs and cancelled projects don't get maintained, but that's not a point in their favor.

  15. Egoless Programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fallacy 5: Programming can and should be egoless

    I have worked with somebody who turned himself into a great programmer by being egoless. He could solve any problem by the simple expedient of not trying to do it all himself and being very good at accepting ideas from other people. In most circumstances programming is done within a team and ego just gets in the way.

    Who wants to work with somebody who rejects an idea just because they didn't think of it!!.

    1. Re:Egoless Programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Different sense of "ego", I think. There is ego, "Everybody else sucks", and then there is ego, "Yes my code is good, and I'm confident enough in myself to know that I can deal with the problem."

    2. Re:Egoless Programming by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 4, Interesting


      The main reason programmers appear to have an ego about their work is that as you get older and more experienced you're expected to know more about software engineering than the people younger or less experienced than you. Never mind that you've never worked with Package X, you are a senior guy and you can handle it. They also have their junior people lean on you and then their success depends on yours.

      If you appear egoless and unashamed to draw from others' advice, you appear to be ignorant and unmotivated once you get to be a certain age or get a certain amount of experience.

    3. Re:Egoless Programming by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "If you appear egoless and unashamed to draw from others' advice, you appear to be ignorant and unmotivated once you get to be a certain age or get a certain amount of experience."

      Only to a young, pompous jackass do you.

  16. Re:What bugs me.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Woodfield, Scott N. 1979 "An Experiment on Unit Increase in Problem Complexity." IEEE Transactions on Software Engineering, (March)

  17. COBOL && Lisp? by BerntB · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'll be interested to check this book out for the COBOL section alone.
    A guestion.

    Let's assume that the book's thesis is true that COBOL is best for administrative programming since it's a specialised language.

    Does the book address e.g. Lisp, where programmers have a standard "pattern" to create sub-languages to attack problems?

    It sounds like an argument that Lisp should be used instead of COBOL, since Lisp is arguably at least as good as any/most for non-low level programming.

    Now I'll probably be flamed by Lisp people... :-)

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    Karma: Excellent (My Karma? I wish...:-( )
  18. Re:What bugs me.. by dash2 · · Score: 4, Funny


    At university I and a friend invented the IRS.

    We smoked pretty heavily in those days (cigarettes) and felt a need to justify it.... 87% of Nobel prize winners are smokers. Furthermore, children who smoke are more likely to get GCSE grades A to C; non-smoking prisoners reoffend more often. In fact smoking cures AIDS. And cancer.

    All these came from the sound research of the IRS (Institute for Random Statistics). We got pretty far down the list with some people.

  19. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by qwijibo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The hard part about getting geeks into management is that they need to be around one place long enough. PHB's get where they are by riding out the clock and becoming the one with the most knowledge. This happens through attrition in many organizations. We geeks aren't often patient enough to ride the pendulum long enough for it to swing the other way.

    Our management here has been propogated through golf buddies and drinking buddies. Those with the experience to make good decisions for the organization and proven experience are not considered for promotions. How do you propose a geek go about staging a coup de corp?

  20. Software Engineering by Hypharse · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I still remember (and cringe when doing so) my software engineering class in college. SE is over-analyzed to a fault. You have so many "improvements" like UML and programs like Rational Rose that only help to overwork and confuse those working on programs. And don't even get me started on the bazillion buzzwords created for software engineering just to make obvious facts sound scientific.

    I think a book like this is what is wholly necessary. I am not saying this book does a good job of it (I haven't read it). There just needs to be a book that tells people how much of the software engineering information is false and unnecessary. This is so we don't have to either sift through all of it or even worse waste countless hours trying to follow a faulty discipline.

    Yea I have an agenda because writing software is hard enough in itself. It is 10 times worse when cluttered with overhead. I remember my very first programming class in high school (it was at a community college) where I was told for a FACT that I should flowchart every function and include a separate box for every line of code. It is ridiculous and they are feeding this stuff into students heads as fact.

    1. Re:Software Engineering by crazyphilman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think if you approach UML diagrams as a bureaucratic annoyance that's been forced on you, then using them is going to suck and they're not going to do you any good. Departments that force UML on people end up just pissing them all off, which ruins its usefulness.

      I think if you use UML as a "sketching on a napkin" tool to think your classes out, it'll be much more useful to you. I use use cases and UML to think about problems, and play with ideas. Sometimes I'll see something I hadn't noticed before, a piece of a class I'll need but which I hadn't anticipated. Sketching with UML lets you fool around with your design, and tinker with it.

      Basically, it's like working an engineering or physics problem, sketching out your diagrams and fiddling with them, letting things occur to you, etc.

      You should give it a chance. Ignore all the "Big Design Up Front" sticks in the mud and use UML as a lego set. You'll like it more that way, I think.

      --
      Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
  21. If all managers are PHBs... by joaodk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...then all developers are dilberts.

    And you wouldnt want THAT. It would spoil the cool "old soldier" metaphor...

  22. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Except most programmers I know that are worth their weight in salt would completely and totally suck to have as managers.

    Some are poorly organized in everything but their code (*ahem*.) A few grew up believing that an employee / employer relationship should be antagonistic; that a manager must rule their team with an iron fist. That may come from looking around at a bunch of us slacker programmers thinking "hey, why aren't they working as hard as I? If I were their manager, I'd be busting their asses 24 by 7." Many are extremely introverted and have trouble speaking up among their peers; they simply would not be capable of dressing down an employee who desperately needs it.

    In most of these cases it seems that the programmers have spent their time learning machine management skills. Those skills are completely unhelpful when it comes to working with people. The lessons you learn (for example, "the machine only does exactly what I tell it") don't work with human employees, no matter how hard you try to apply them.

    Yes, management is a skill that can be learned, but I don't know any geeks that would want to spend the time, let alone actually manage. Not even for the money. Almost all the people I know who have become successful managers have never been real programmers. They were business analysts or came from completely outside the IT field.

    --
    John
  23. Re:Engineering? by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And should the people who drive locomotives quit calling themselves engineers as well? Pompous of you to try to corner that title.

    Webster's:
    1 en-gi-neer n
    3 c: a person who carries through an enterprise by skillful or artful contrivance.

    So basically, according to Webster's, bite me.

  24. Re:COBOL by gillbates · · Score: 3, Funny

    COBOL was designed not to actually get work done, but rather to destroy the ego of any young, up-and-coming prima donnas.

    After the first year of debugging and maintaining COBOL programs with millions of lines of spaghetti code, obfuscated, global variables, etc... the young programmer has no room left for an ego. He has come to the realization that he can't understand everything about the system completely; he is humbled.

    Then, when given a Java assignment, he feels a sense of gratitude and loyalty to his boss, who has just lifted him from an endless quagmire of PERFORMS and GO BACKS, and SOC4 ABEND...

    THAT is why COBOL came about. IBM never expected that business would build systems with a language designed to break-in the new hires...

    But, as they say, the rest is history...

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  25. Reading your own code. by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yes, but you can review your own code.

    After writing out a couple hundred lines of code, print it out. Then come in the next day and read it. I mean, truly read it, line by line.

    Some may argue that this is not as good other programmers reading the code. Undoubtedly true, but you will still catch many errors. The fact that you've waited a day means you are, in a sense, a different programmer than the one that wrote the code. And the fact that it's printed rather than on the screen gives you a different perspective.

    I suggest that running tests is not sufficient to ensure a reasonable level of quality. There are certain errors that are unlikely to be caught by testing, and yet are quite obvious in a read through.

    In other word, testing is not a replacement for read throughs. In finding problems, a multi-faceted approach is needed.

  26. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do you propose a geek go about staging a coup de corp?

    Attain some social skills, go out and play some golf and buy the boss a beer.

    Noone wants to work with arrogant anti-social types, management included.

    --
    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  27. Riddle Me This by deathcow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I was 20, with an electronics Associates degree, we set up a software configuration management program for a shop writing C software that became FDA approved for robotic orthopedic devices.

    We based the configuration mgmt program on IEEE standard 828-1990. As part of the program we modeled our Software Requirements Specification process off of IEEE standard 830-1984. Our design practices off of IEEE 1016-1987. Our testing practices off of IEEE 1012-1986.

    We demonstrated adherence to these standards of practice in order to gain FDA approval for our robotic device. Our software development cycle flowed as specified in our carefully engineered plans.

    We engineered software. But we didn't have engineering degrees. Did we dilute your title?

  28. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by EugeneK · · Score: 5, Funny

    This message paid for Swift Byte Programmers for Truth.

  29. Bullet points by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really, the worst thing about this book is that it doesn't come with a poster of just a bullet-pointed list of facts and fallacies that you can nail to your office wall (or your boss's).

    Or your boss.

    --
    "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  30. the deadline issue by joaodk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    IMHO the real management issue concerning deadlines is the way they are defined.

    If the manager imposes an impossible deadline to the programmer, hes just a bad boss, PHB style. Of course, there are always real world time constraints to be met, but in this case the manager should define a possible goal along with the programmer, alternative solutions, scope agreements, etc.

    On the other hand, if the programmer is incapable of defining a deadline himself to a well defined amount of work, than you just cant blame the manager.

  31. Some other good resources on the topic... (BSP) by under_score · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is Blatant Self Promotion (you have been warned).

    Here's a good list of software resources, mostly books that I've collected over the last five years or so. Lots of stuff about agile, stuff for managers as well as developers.

  32. I hope he mentions the Lions book by ChipMonk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fallacy 10: You teach people how to program by showing them how to write programs. Why don't we teach them to read programs first? Good question (and he has a few possible answers).

    This is exactly what John Lions was trying to do with his commentary. And he used nothing less than the Unix kernel source code as an example of well-crafted, and very readable, code.

    Rest in peace, John. Your little project helped more hackers than you could ever have known in this life.

  33. Re:Engineering? by Merdalors · · Score: 3, Funny
    doing so degrades my trade.

    Make that "outclasses my trade".

    I know a recent EE graduate. At the beginning of every university course, someone in the class would timoroulsy raise a hand and ask the professor "Will there be any programming in this course?".

    A huge collective sigh of relief would greet a "No". Couldn't hack it.

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    Slashdot entertains. Windows pays the mortgage.
  34. Re:"Fact", but still irrelevant by Chris+Parrinello · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing that every seems to forget about the code inspection school of thought is that it was developed at a time when running tests and debugging actually did cost real money back in the 1970's when Fagan came up with his inspection process. Your department was charged everytime you compiled and ran your program on the mainframe computer because the mainframe was expensive to buy/rent, power and maintain.

    Now it doesn't cost real money but has an implied cost that bugs found later in the development process cost more money to fix than if you found then in the coding phase at a code review. Never mind the fact that the recommended rates of code inspects in lines of code per hour are near glacial and costs more money now to have 4 highly paid people to sit in a room and read code out loud. One project I worked on was all brand new code and would have taken three full months of code reviews to review every single piece of code at the speed the QA people were insisting was required for a proper code inspection.

    The process also insisted that we code inspect before we began any testing. So instead of running a suite of tests that could test 90% of the code in a matter of minutes, the QA insisted that we go through a code inspection before test just because the QA people's definitive texts on software quality still use the same data that Fagan used from his research back in the 1970s. They can quote the facts but they don't understand what assumptions were in the original research.

    Code inspections do have their place. I would say those places are to enforce coding standards and knowledge transfer which both help with maintainability in the long term. In reality however, most of the code I inspect today has been pounded on for a month or so before we review it. I can't remember the last time I actually found an error through inspection that would have resulted in a bug report. Most of the stuff we find are missing documentation and typos in that documentation. *yawn*

  35. Re:fact and fallacies by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Technically, a fact is not "a true statement". A fact is a statement that is either objectively true OR objectively false, but cannot be both. This is as opposed to an opinion, which is subjective and can thus be simultaneously true for one person and false for another.

    You are acting as if "fact" is the opposite of "false". It's not. "Fact" is the opposite of "Opinion".

    "The earth's moon is made from green cheese" is a fact. It happens to be a false fact, but it is still a fact instead of an opinion.

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  36. Re:Engineering? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am also an EE.

    Some jurisdictions do allow Software Engineering. APEG-BC (The Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of British Columbia) lets Software Engineers register. UVic (University of Victoria) grants a four-year B.Eng in Software Engineering. Other universities in BC offer the same degree. I didn't go to these other places, so I don't have any details on them.

    Other places in Canada offer B.Eng degrees in Software. I'm sure that there are accredited institutions in other countries that provide Software Engineering degrees. (B.Eng, not B.Sc)

    Now, those NSE and MSCE guys are a different story. ;)

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  37. Re:What bugs me.. by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I had a Prof in U who used to make similar statements. On one occasion a student took umbrage with this position and demanded data and proof. The prof indicated he would be happy to do so, as soon as the student was able to give him two problems, one 25% more complex than the other. After 15 minutes of demolishing every example offered by the student, the prof went on to explain that until the student was able to evaluate complexity in a meaningful and coherent fashion, any such proof would be a waste of time. The student was citing examples, which as the prof demonstrated, were consistent with scaling not complexity. A 25% increase in scale, while easy to understand and quantify, is not (in most cases) a significant increase in complexity, and certainly not a 25% increase.

    More often I think folk don't understand what a 25% increase in complexity really is. Once you have a valid framework to make this evaluation it is easier to see how this relationship works, well, after you evolve some way of evaluating solution complexity as well...

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  38. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Except most programmers I know that are worth their weight in salt would completely and totally suck to have as managers.

    Yep. My experience of fellow computer programmers is the same. They would not make good managers. And, more importantly, they would not ENJOY being managers. They are perfectly content to be managees.

    However, the few programmers who are both capable and motivated to be in management really should aspire to do so, IMAO. They are exactly the sort of management that the industry needs, will likely encounter great success, and could serve as beneficial trend setters.

    $1.00/50

  39. Project estimates by Sebastopol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Project estimates are done at the beginning of the project when you have insufficient understanding of the requirements and scope, which makes it a very bad time to do an estimate for the entire project.

    This is what separates the men from the boys. Estimation of project requirements are not perfect until the project is complete, so you have no choice but to work with educated guesses.

    Modern project management is an exercise in managing uncertainty.

    It is easy to say how long it would take you to write a script, anyone can do that in their head: guess base on experience, multiply by x2 and have a reasonable estimate.

    Now try estimating a thousands scripts (or circuits) done by hundreds of engineers of varying aptitudes that will result in a capital cost of several billion dollars over (hopefully) a few years! All of which is directly reflected in your retirement investments!

    That kind of planning is real nuts-and-guts stuff that most of us well never have to wrestle with, and a "fact" like this grossly understates and misrepresents.

    Programming is easy.

    Planning is orders of magnitude harder by comparison.

    I prefer programming, the latter makes my brainpan throb.

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  40. Re:Algorithmic-Based Programming Is Wrong-Headed by Jerf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wow, that was almost a sad experience, reading that (and also you must read this). They go on and on about how bad algorithms are... and create an alternate system that still runs on algorithms, only instead of concentrating on a clean implementation they have this amazingly obscured one that will guarentee the impossibility of any human ever understanding a COSA "program", by taking componentization to truly absurd levels. They have successfully hidden the algorithms from themselves, perhaps, but I still see them, and they will still be bitten by them.

    It would be funny if it weren't also sad.

    Brooks still reigns and there remains no Silver Bullet. Wake me when these guys have a decently complex program that is better than anything I can come up with in Python. (Don't miss that second clause; making a program do something in 2004 is nothing special. It needs to be better. Handwaving is not an OS.)

  41. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by chris_mahan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but then you cease being a geek, and you start living a double life, where tassels and the wool content of your suit pants become important factors.

    One day you'll be driving by fry's and realize you've not been there in over three months, and you will feel very small indeed.

    Geeks are good at what they do when they embrace their geekness. When they try to suppress it, they become miserable, depressed creatures. And i would not want that in managament.

    I say: stay behind the keyboard, and long live sandals!

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  42. Re:What bugs me.. by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So prof makes a claim, student asks for proof, prof says student is too dumb to understand the proof? Shouldn't the prof have then gone on to show examples of a 25% increase in complexity, and how it explains his original statment?

  43. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by twiddlingbits · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " Almost all the people I know who have become successful managers have never been real programmers"...well,meet one more. I have been a coder for many years in embedded systems work, and also in the web area. And I have (and do) manage teams of programmers and analysts. The reason most geeks don't want to manage is simple..It is HARDER than coding. No debuggers, no error messages, no recomplies, it has to be right the first time. And Senior Management expects it!! Plus the skills are mostly people skills, something IMNSHO a lot of "geeks" have trouble with. People solutions are generally not right/wrong they are somewhere in the middle, they are kinda "fuzzy" which bothers the logical programmers mind. But those "soft" management skills CAN be learned if you try. In my 22 yrs in IT I've been up the Management chain to mid-level and back down and over to Sr. Technical Staff. I prefer the Technical work, but it is getting HARD to find, so I have my PM skills to fall back on. Versatility in roles, as well as in programming skills is valuable! Oh,and don't get me started on my soapbox about how Leadership is MUCH more valuable than management, but it is in every scarcer supply in the tech world. Set reasonable expectations but hold them to it, give people room to work, help them with problems, keep the customer informed and off the programmers backs and you'll do OK in Managment.

  44. Teaching by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fallacy 10: You teach people how to program by showing them how to write programs. Why don't we teach them to read programs first?

    For the same reason we don't teach people how to write books by telling them to go read: If they're serious about writing, they're *already* avid readers. Teaching them to read would be redundant.

    If a wannabe programmer isn't already reading code for ideas then he's wasting your time asking how to be a programmer.

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  45. Re:As long as he is not management, he's fine by m by rollingcalf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The reason most geeks don't want to manage is simple..It is HARDER than coding."

    Management is not harder than coding per se. It is just harder for geeks whose talents and interests are more suited for coding. Most managers don't want to code, because for them it is HARDER than managing.

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