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Where's Alviso?
DMOS writes "Intel's 'Dothan' processor for moblile computers has finally seen the light of day, but where is the rest of the 'Sonoma' platform? Specifically, the 'Alviso' chipset that is replacing the current i855 and ICH4m. So far it appears to be MIA, and Devhardware looks into why with
their 'Where's
Alviso?' article."
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Come off Hwy 101 in Sunnyvale, take Hwy 237 East and head for Milpitas. I think.
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Where ya gonna find the alviso chipset, where ya gonna see... alvi?
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Where ya gonna find the alviso chipset? Come and take a look and see!
Under a rock? Noooo!
On the moon? Nuh-uh!
...whenever Alviso's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Alviso?"...
Seems that Alviso is in the San Jose-Sunnyvale area of California.
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Alviso's just north of San Jose, but legally speaking is part of San Jose. Silicon Valley tried to grow north of hwy237 during the .BOOM years, but didn't quite make it, and the predicted swamping of alviso by outsiders didn't quite happen.
Alviso is where TiVO is headquartered.
http://www.alviso.com/
C'mon, everyone knows it right on the way to Milpitas.
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Take 101 to 237 east until you smell it.
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hiding behind Waldo
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RTFA. Pay your respects. Many Dothans died for this information.
Moo.
My guess is that Dothan may be held up as well pending GX-NX flag compatibility, without which there's no way to take full advantage of XP SP2 anyway and so nobody will buy.
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Maybe the lack of Alviso indicates Intel's trying to figure if Alviso is what they need to secure the market share.
And maybe this DDR2 and fastest FSB (higher GHz?) aren't what the consumers are looking for at the moment.
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According to the FA, it seems that most of the technologies the new laptop chipset will enable are grossly overrated, wildly overpriced, and won't generally be worthwhile for laptop owners not running Longhorn (now due in Q4'06). The article concludes "Silicon is supposed to be shipping in late Q4. Typically, it takes 6 weeks after that for products to show up in retail making use of that technology."
So where's that chipset? Right where it's supposed to be from the looks of it. Imagine that.
Intel has always been somewhat embarrassed about the Pentium M series of microprocessors. Basically a Pentium M, whether a Banias or Dothan, (both of which are named after rivers in Israel) is more an heir of the Pentium III architecture than the P4. Yet, the Pentium M, clock for clock, does more work and stays cooler than the P4.
A Pentium M desktop would be great, and it looks like Alviso is that very desktop. It would be ideal for quiet media boxes and transportable LAN party machines. However, I am sure that one of the reasons why Intel is dragging its feet is this: to put out a desktop Pentium M board would be an admission of just how much of a disappointment the P4 architecture has been.
Perhaps Intel should look towards Micro-ITX and Nano-ITX applications of this technology as well. I'm sure that the existing Centrino chipset would be ideal for such mini-boxen.
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Alviso is right on the Southern tip of the San Francisco Bay. It's mostly abandoned but for a few hold outs like Vahl's Restaurant. There's an bartender named Frank there who's straight out of a Rat Pack movie. Ask him to do some magic tricks for you.
Most of Alviso is now a briney marsh due to redirection of Bay water, dikes, and nearby salt evaporation pools. On summer evenings, the sound of crickets and frogs in the reeds can be deafening.
For those brave enough to visit, it's off the 237 next to Tivo's office.
What is a moblile computer?
Just behind Waldo.
Alviso has left the building.
yes I work in alviso!
The city of Alviso is a little known community that borders on Sunnyvale. Some of TiVo's offices are located there.
Best Buy can have you arrested
Seriously.
I've seen many posts on "where's alviso" but lets take a moment to talk about what alviso really is.
Alviso used to be a boat landing for "The Valley of Hearts Delights" elite long before it became the foul smelling place that it is today. Santa Clara County built a sewage treatment plant there, and coincidentally, the elite did not like mooring up to a dock that constantly smelled like human excrement.
Later the alviso landfill was built, to even further add to the cornicopia of smells that arose from that stinky marsh.
Eventually alviso was populated by low income families (GANG BANGERS) and the SJ Norte's. The whole town fell into complete disrepair and despite the cities best efforts to convert it into a low lease technology park, it still remains what it is.
The armpit of silicon valley.
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haven't you stupid open source faggots heard of product cycles? why fucking replace a new chipset right away, making the current one almost worthless to a consumer?
Dothans came out in May 04, that's bearly a 4 month product cycle. I'd say it would be premature for another chipset even at christmas.
btw f linux.
From the article:
Next in the Centrino is its Wi-Fi ability. Currently, Centrino makes use of the 802.11b standard. In Sonoma, that's being upgraded to 802.11g.
The author fails to note that Intel has already released the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG (802.11g) and that it is a Centrino component.
My laptop has one from the factory and is badged "Centrino."
They think Alviso is in Sonoma county. Wrong end of the bay. Aim for Santa Clara county and you'll find it.
Alviso is in the extreme north part of San Jose up against the southernmost part of SanFrancisco Bay.
It is often referred to as the 'armpit of the Bay'. I haven't been there in 10 years, but back then it was a very slummy area. There was a good Mexican Restaurant there that we used to visit occassionally, though.
...also, didn't they have trouble with flooding in Alviso every few years?
(Btw, cheap plug: If you know anyone hiring programmers, system admins, network admins or Linux coders in the Portland, Oregon region, I have plenty of experience in all of the above, and am looking for work. Here endeth the cheap plug.)
I won't mention any specifics, but I had a number of problems coaxing Fedora to run on a Dothan board, under stress. The Linux 2.4 kernel was the worst for just locking up solid, but I locked up the 2.6 kernel on a daily basis under conditions I would have expected it to work.
It's hard to tell if the problems were with the Dothan board or with Fedora, or with some combination of the two. Also, I was using an early development board, so there's no certainty (without testing) that the problems exist in the released system.
If you're wanting to use Dothan with Linux for development, I would advise against using the Linux 2.4 kernel at all, and would suggest testing a little more thoroughly than you might otherwise do to make sure everything is working as you'd expect.
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So now that they've named a chipset after Alviso, the next logical name for them to use is 'East PaloAlto', followed by 'Oakland'.
They were naming things after rivers, now they're using slum towns of California.
There were a couple of houses I looked at renting or buying when I moved out here in ~93. Before 237 was upgraded and the Dot-Com era office buildings and accompanying yuppies got there, Alviso was mostly a blue-collar Mexican town that's technically part of San Jose, not much money, not much crime, wrong side of the tracks/freeways/airports/etc., with a couple of restaurants and some boat docks and something that was either a junkyard or a boat-building place. One house was never on the market at the right time (the lease cycle was off by six months), little place at the corner of the levees, and from the second floor you could see a large chunk of the marshes and the bottom end of the bay. (It got sold for some outrageous-seeming price, twice what my house in New Jersey had been, and I ended up paying about the same for a condo in Mountain View.) The other was a rambling Victorian that had been owned by a family in the plastering business who kept adding onto it any time they had another kid, with about an acre, a collapsed barn, a not-yet-collapsed barn, and a small house in the back. It was about three times the price of my New Jersey house, once you figure in the cost of jacking it up to add a foundation (:-), but my wife and I would have needed to both be working to be able to afford it, and both be not working to deal with the construction work, and that wasn't really our set of talents. Grandpaw had recently moved them all down to Texas, and the woman who was selling it was one of the inlaws, who told us a lot about the area - Alviso used to flood occasionally before San Jose built the Sharks Arena, but that diverted the local rivers so that the Sharks parking lot would flood instead. The city wanted to fix that, but that would have caused it to flood in Alviso instead, and you're not allowed to do wetlands construction that would cause residential areas to flood, so the city was stuck and folks in Alviso were quite happy about it.
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Take North 1st street across 237 and keep heading north. There's a small golf course with a driving range, and a number of restaurants further down the road. The Pin High at the golf course has pretty decent burgers. Maria's has some very excellent Mexican food, cold beer, and lunch specials every day. Andiamo is an Italian Mexican restaurant. The menus are split right down the middle. Check it out. Rosita's is a small deli you'll miss the first two times you look for it, even though it's right there on the main road into Alviso. Look under the big power lines. Say hi to grandma. They're open early for breakfast. Don't be a wuss. Check the place out.
Personally, I'm going to wait until the Compton based motherboards come up before I upgrade. I sure hope they find a way to make the chips neutral-colored instead of that green. Well, you should be fine as long as large groups of people wearing red don't see your mobo.
Where's Alviso?
(hint for the cluebies: You are seeking out THIS street map, around 8 feet tall, standing among the peeps.)
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
King and Story Road chipset
I had a girlfriend who bought a house there back in the late 70's.
Whew... what a neighborhood, and I had a friend who was restoring a boat in Alviso Harbor, which isn't bad as many seen to think.
And I've been in EPA (East Palo Alto) plenty of times, and King and Story have them beat Hands Down, at least 15 years ago they did.
And of course, Centrino is only a few miles from Alviso -- it's the corner of DeAnza and Stevens Creek, just off I280 and south of the Apple main campus.
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You mean a future windfall if you invest in properties that will surely be gentrified.
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2. Buy.
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Is this a /. variation on Where's Waldo?
:-(
What's the trick? Pick the pasty white guy with last season's Stein Mart casual Fridays outfit from the crowd of business people?
Sigh...if I were Alviso, the Where's Alviso books would be pop-up style -- find the guy with the computer nerd gut.
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Now with the flood control projects completed, there is more construction occurring in Alviso. Lots of new condos. And they just finished a new power plant there.
San Jose also bought out the Cargill salt evaporator ponds adjacent to Alviso, jumping in on part of the state deal buying up most of those ponds in San Francisco Bay. Perhaps San Jose is making long-term plans to revive the Alviso Marina? Just a hunch. But for now the levees around the salt ponds make great bicycle paths that take you to the southern tip of San Francisco Bay.
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You can't miss it especially this time of year. Head down or up 880 to around 237. Once you're there it's unmistakeably clear. Turn upwind and you'll find it.
Since Alviso is practically a ghost town in Silicon Valley now (if such a thing is even possible), less desirable a place to live than even East Palo Alto.
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If you'd been there recently you'd have noticed that they've built new houses which I'm told sell for $700,000. :-(
Alviso is also home to a marina invaded by grass (makes for cool pictures), an abandoned cannery, a Yacht club, and Maria Elena's and Vahl's. It's an oasis of history and quirkiness in an area that sorely lacks it. Check out Eric Carlson's great series of articles about Alviso
It's also been the name of my desktop computer for four years and I whish Intel had not chosen it
Dothan is an ancient town in Israel (look in Genesis where Joseph's brothers' abandon him). I know this because I am from Dothan, but in Alabama.......
It is named after the biblical town.
Use I-65 or I-85 to get to Montgomery, travel South on U.S. Hwy 231 about 90 miles. OR use I-10 and get off at the Marianna, FL exit, and go North on U.S. Hwy 231 about 30-40 miles.
I don't think the Pentium M (basically a pentium 3 with a lot of p4-based enhancements) is bus-compatible with the Pentium 4 (lest we would be seeing PM-based desktop boards flying off the mills).
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Another technology making its appearance in Alviso is PCI Express (PCIe). I'm not quite sure where the benefit is for this currently
This guy doesn't get it. PCI express means fewer runs on your board, thus easier routing. Why is it hard to figure out how that would help in a cramped design such as Alviso is targeted at? Even if the end devices don't end up being PCIe, the PXH PCIe to PCIx bridge will add flexibility in component placement.
Beyond that, the article was a waste of time, vague conjecture, a mild rant on DDR2 memory pricing, and no answers. Sigh.
-michael