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XM Radio Pulls PC Hardware
Didion Sprague writes "News.com is reporting that XM has decided to "quietly discontinue" the XMPCR -- a tiny USB satellite radio receiver for XM radio. Slashdot readers may remember last week's story about TimeTrax -- homebrewed software that allows XMPCR users to automatically record and tag each song. Now, XMPCR receivers are going for almost $400 on ebay. The RIAA, it should be noted, claims that they weren't "behind the discontinuation of the PCR"."
If enough people over a period of time asked if they could hook it up to their computer and decided not to buy when they say no, maybe they would rethink their decision.
But here's the part that gets me... from the Product Information Page http://www.xmradio.com/xmpcr...
"XM PCR Developer Communities:
The XM PCR revolution is in full effect. Across the XM Nation, we're excited to see independent developers creating fantastic new versions of the XM PCR software for a wide range of platforms including Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. Windows: XtreMe PCR
Macintosh OS X: MacXM
Unix: XMPCR perl scripts
Linux: xmd-xmfe
Did we miss a developer? Let us know if you're developing any PCR software."
Heh. Looks like they missed TimeTrax.
Who else thinks that the seller of that ebay item *may* have had something to do with this post?
I always assumed this was why DJ's talked over the intro to tunes, to mess up anyone recording, lord knows they could save their breath because who cares what DJ's have to say when your tune starts to play (you actually want them to shut the fsck up!)
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Can you really call it "going for almost $400" if nobody has actually bid on the item? Sounds more like "profiteers are trying get ridiculous prices like $400"
I'm canceling my XM account.
And um... It had nothing to do with this, or any other screw-ups with XM programming.
I don't get what the fuss is all about... So, it let you download songs? Who's in it's right mind is gonna pay 400$ for a crappy radio that let me download songs? Hello? P2P? If you want to get (illegally) free songs, at least do it for FREE? :)
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How much will it cost me to have my ebay link posted on the front page? Sure, you can find just about any sucker to buy a product if you show it to enough people; while it may take time, eventually you'll find either a person with too much money, or a person who lacks the ability to comprehend the value of money.
It's "going" for $400 right now, yet there isn't a single bid.
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Isn't this kinda pointless, customers are paying for this service, it's like hooking up a vcr or tivo to your cable/satellite box and recording your shows (except the software tags the songs for you) I would think this would be a good thing for their service, that is, unless the RIAA asked them too (yea, yea I read the article)
The RIAA, it should be noted, claims that they weren't "behind the discontinuation of the PCR"
Well, maybe not directly, but from XM's perpective, the possible threat of the RIAA coming to get them sure did.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
XMPCR? Couldn't they have come up with a catchier name like DRMXM2PCUSBABCDEFG.
First of all, XM are complete pieces of shit for doing this. The XMPCR was the only reason I even bought into satellite radio service in the first place. I use the XM-PCR on my Car PC and listen to it for hours every day.
It's worth noting, though, that the XMPCR is a pretty simple device. It would be incredibly easy to build a DIY one out of any XM radio. Here's why:
XM sells a receiver module to radio manufacturers. Essentially the satellite part of the radio hardware is made by XM and is the same on all units. This module exposes a serial interface (9600 baud TTL level) for control and it outputs digital audio (I forget what format). It's powered on 5V (or 3.3V -- i forget)
Anyway, all the XMPCR has in it is a simple power supply circuit, a USB/Serial converter, a DAC and an antenna jack. All you would have to do to make your own is take the tuner module out of an existing radio and wire it up the same way. You could even use the same USB/Serial converter to make it 100% identical to the regular XMPCR. The serial number (used for activation and whatnot) can be queried out of the module with a command (or taken off the donor radio's label of course).
Didn't Willie Nelson do a series of commercials for XM a while back about how it allowed him to listen to music freely whenever and wherever he wanted?
Here's a major setback to that freedom. What would Willie think?
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
IMHO the RIAA made XM discontinue the XMPCR ASAP because it didn't have any DRM, IIRC. Now everything's AOK because it's DOA, too bad though, if you want XM'S XMPCR USB thing you SOL.
i wonder how long it'll take somebody,
/end rant
who has the hardware from xm..
to reverse engineer a better one. and sell the prototype to a competitor or something.
so that we can once again, continue to be free of restrictions from morons such as the *AA, and now
most notably the XM-radio service.
This could be an opportunity for sirius to get into the game and become actual competition. Sometimes its amazing how a niche product can create a halo over an entire product line.
"Kittens give Morbo gas!"
"In other news, /. editors buy 100,000 XMPCR receivers, publishes story their now worth $400 each and sells them on ebay, retiring as millionaires and outsources /. to India."
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
It looks like they pulled the hardware because of the presumed potential for piracy and they might not have had any legal remedies against. However, if the INDUCE Act had been in force, there would have been a law they could have used to outlaw the software. See, Hatch's Hit List #30 - XM Radio to MP3.
More than likely, they'll announce that existing subscribers will be able to listen to XM via Windows Media Player/Real Player/etc., as Sirius does. Right now, you need another piece of hardware, and another XM subscription.
With my Sirius username/password, I can listen to the music channels on my home PC, and the actual receiver is in my pickup. No comedy or sports, but no extra fee, either. My wife can use it simultaneously, as well.
No, I don't work for Sirius. Honest. I like both XM and Sirius - just speculating on reason ATM.
It's not really about recording music as it is making it incredibly easy to do so; in theory, as long as you can hear the music, you can record and distribute it.
It's just that having a program automatically grab and tag songs for you is pretty far-removed from manually recording songs (at FM quality, which I'd assume is considerably worse than XM quality) with DJs and what-not talking over them, and then tagging them yourself. Not that I don't find the entire situation pretty foolish, but it's kinda understandable. In a way. To a point.
Yeah, okay, so it's not, but it's par for the course, at least.
Now if only I could pick stocks that quintupled in value in 5 days....
Just because the price is set at $400 doesn't mean they are going for that price. They will most likely not sell for such high of a price. In fact, not a single bid has been placed on the given auction as of yet. So while the seller may be asking for $400, if no one is willing to pay that, he might as well sell it for a billion dollars.
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$59.99, not 600 bucks like on fleBay
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The canceling of the PCR is more likely related to the rumored inclusion of a USB port on the soon to be released Skyfi 2. They're not going to shout from the rooftops that they're discontinuing it any more than they advertised the demise of the Roady in favor of the Roady 2. There is no conspiracy here.
Think about it. So-called "time shifting" is (for the moment) legal. They never minded people taping things off the radio. They're mad as hell about people not paying for their music - but radio airplay makes money for them through compulsory fees, not to mention publicity (at least in theory, IANA broadcaster...)
Enter Sirius / XM; the industry still gets money and still gets publicity (perhaps more than before; with all the niche stations and lack of commercials & inane banter, I've been tempted to subscribe...) And more people are willing to PAY FOR MUSIC because of this service - just not the $18 or so they want 'em to pay.
So if the RIAA is behind the move to get rid of the XMPCR, what do they expect? That a lot of the people who subscribe will continue to pay for XM, AND pay for a copy of the CD, AND pay another couple of bucks for a "legal" version for their portable player once it becomes illegal or impossible to rip it yourself ... And of course piracy is a perfect excuse^H^H^H^Hplanation for why XM will lose subscribers from this.
That might be any PC. If anyone were to invent an algorithm that can do an "analog checksum" on a sound file (assuming it hasn't been invented already), then all of this functionality would be available to anybody with a computer and a sound card.
Software could continuously record the audio source, cross reference checksums against an online database akin to the freedb CD database, and catalog and save whatever is new. Hook it to an FM radio, Music Choice on digital cable, Muzak, XM, whatever, and you could start accumulating your very own digital music library.
You can use the tape recorder in your portable to tape music off of the airwaves. I don't see Sony rushing to rip those suckers out. What's the difference here?
What Would Willie Do?
Willie would stop paying the bill. He would also forget to pay his income taxes. Oh wait...
Damn. I was really hoping these would stick around. It would have been a great addition to my aspiring Car PC project. Time-shifting talk radio over XM would have been neat.
As far as I was concerned, devices like this were one the major reasons to subscribe to XM instead of Sirius.
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Screw this XMPCR crap. I want that little silver car that the XM office geek drives into his high-rise office building. Who needs a chic, cheap computer-based XM receiver when you can friggin' drive your cool little car right up to your cubicle?
Did I mention that NO ONE from this guy's office bitched about him driving that little car through the hall and cutting them off at the elevator?
What about the hot chick in the left of the elevator that's eyeing his little silver car? Schwing! With the XMPCR, chicks'll just give you looks like, "That's gadget geek from the mail room or accounting, right? So sad -- look how he cradles his laptop and that weird mouse." No -- she'd be asking for a lift down to cubicle area 37 on the 11th floor -- chauffeur style.
And damn -- talk about being able to take a break. You don't have to walk the three blocks at 12:30pm for your half hour lunch/nap in the car just to listen to the XM radio and justify the cost of the service. And remember -- it'd be THAT radio you'd be carrying those three blocks along with a laptop if you had the XMPCR. Hell no! With the silver XM car, you'd just walk out of your cubicle, open up the cooler in the trunk, grab your ham sandwich and chips, and lay down in the back seat.
Hell -- if your boss DOES bitch about you blocking the aisles betweens cubes 45 and 46, you can just "accidentally" back over him and drag his body under your cubicle desk before anyone notices. The XM radio in the car can be turned up to drown out his dying scream. And, if he's still alive, you can beat him over the head with that XM jukebox that they show in the commercial -- you know you'd have one if you had the cool XM car!
If you had that piddly XMPCR and your boss bitched about the music, what would you do? Strangle him with the USB cord? Hell no. He may be your lame ass boss, but he does get to the company gym for the executives while you ride on the shitty subway home with your XMPCR that gets looks from thieves on the train. What exercise have you had while he's been at the gym, eh? He's take that USB cord and strangle YOUR ass!
Yeah -- screw that overpriced XMPCR -- I want the silver XM car!
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Come on now. The RIAA and MPAA sure, but what's the AAA ever done to you? They've always helped me out if my car battery died or if I had a flat tire!
Buy a DVB card for your computer. Download some audio ripping software for the satellite card http://audiorip.dvbnetwork.com/
If you want some video decoding then download software for descrambling http://audiorip.dvbnetwork.com/.
Point your satellite dish at 110, 119 or 91 degress west. You can watch video and audio.
YOu can also record audio digitally from the satellite. The dish network satellite also carries the Sirius channels. THe audiorip software will name tag the songs and cut them too. It will also put them in folders. And you can also record multiple radio channels at the same time.
Netpliance and the iOpener
The original hack required someone to fabricate a hard-drive bracket and cable, plus solder a 40-pin IDE header to the board. Then they tried to stop it and the real fun began.
Netpliance locked out the BIOS. So people started sharing old BIOS images, then somebody had to open up their unit, pull the flash, reflash it in a programmer, then reassemble.
Netpliance then started epoxying the BIOS into the socket. So then people wrote a QNX flash program.
Netpliance then started sending the Cease and Desist letters. Somebody wrote a webpage with an embedded QNX flash applet. No screwdriver required... just point it's built in web-browser at a URL.
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...so it's available to everyone who doesn't scroll down to read everything.
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Has everyone forgotten the other two members of the triumvirate for finding things geek?
(eBay, PriceWatch, Froogle).
As I note in a later message, there are completed eBay auctions in the previous five days or so via Buy It Now! for $29.99, $29.99, $40. That's less than what everyone's discussing.
PriceWatch has nothing listed - just remember it for future use.
Froogle, which everyone seems to overlook, seems to have an interesting outlook on XMPCR.
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XM is 60% owned by ClearChannel anyway. Why would you want to give your money to them?
Buy a Sirius tuner and suck it up. Sirius plays better music too.
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Everyone's been assuming that this is in response to TimeTrax. People seem to be forgetting that this has been available for some time (along with other, similar software). Also note that the XMPCR was on super-duper clearance in some places ($15 at XMFan.com a few weeks back, though w/out antenna).
The general buzz on the XM message boards is that XM Radio was planning to discontinue the XMPCR for some time, and it just became evident (clearance sales, retail channels drying up, etc.) right about the same time as the software concerns hit the radar.
I mean, really -- could a big company like XM really decide to pull a piece of hardware from the market on only a day's notice? (the TimeTrax software and initial rumors of XMPCR being pulled happened on the same day). There's also been talk of a USB port on new cradles (which may or may not have been recently nixed, depending on your paranoia settings).
And anyway, the XMPCR was never a big seller for them. Only available from online merchants, it was originally a cheap way for someone to get XM (since they didn't need to sell any controls or displays). Now, the prices have come down (my SkiFi with cradle cost $200, a Roady2 with free home cradle is $100), so they don't need the bottom-end as much any longer.
So, yes, it's possible there was some RIAA pressure, and it's possible XM decided on their own to avoid the RIAA, but if so, that was probably only the last straw -- I would not be surprised if they'd made this decision 6 months ago.
Look yall, this has the stench of one big publicity grab. Dig it:
XM gets the publicity from the time trax thing. Obviously DiaRIAA is pissed and throws in its two cents. But Publicity good.
Because of Time Trax, the PCR starts selling like hotcakes...stock begins to run out, and the story starts to drop off the radar.
XM announces that they are discontinuing the PCR. Huge new, people get worried, MORE PUBLICITY!!!! DiaRIAA is happy and excited (though claiming nothing to do with this of course). Stocks of the PCR thing run completely out, demand skyrockets
2-6 months from now, XM releases new "safe from piracy" (but not really because such a thing doesn't exist) version of the PCR. MORE PUBLICITY!!!! Music lovers are happy because they can use their PCs. Geeks are happy because they can still hack it. DiaRIAA is happy because its "safe from piracy".
This is a win/win move by XM. They make a band of lawyers happy, look progressive, and get tons of publicity.
I have a feeling that the reason it was really discontinued was that it just wasn't selling very well. Most people don't need to stream satellite radio to their computer rather then their stereo. Most people are just going to stream audio off their internet if they are at their computer. Sirius, unlike XM also offers a service that allows streaming to a computer over the internet of their streams. My theory is XM is probably planning on launching a similar service.
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And with MythTv I am hoping that I can grab the music (that much is trivial) and somehow get the text descriptions that come up with the song.
This has been available for quite a while so I don't understand all the fuss overthe leagal speculations. I bet it was a simple "these things are not selling like hotcakes and the support team costs us a bundle" rpoblem.
I guess I should turn off my Roady2 now since I'm apparently listening to phantom streams. Dang. And I was just starting to like it too. Damn you, mwood!!!