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SETI Finds Interesting Signal

Several readers sent in notes about an interesting signal discovered by SETI. No real evidence of Someone Out There, but not fully explainable either. Another reader submits a blurb suggesting that aliens should send spacemail, not signals: "Rutgers electrical engineering professor, Christopher Rose, has an article on Nature magazine's cover today describing the most efficient way for our civilization to be discovered by aliens. On this question of better to 'write or radiate', his conclusions: better not to send radio transmission, when physical media like DNA on an asteroid can declare a terrestrial presence. Similar to what motivated Voyager scientists to attach a plaque for the outbound trip. Rose has some great information payload sizes as examples (like the entire information equivalent for our global genome fitting on a 100 pound laptop!)."

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  1. I for one... by nzgeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our new intelligent extra terrestrial overlords!

    (Sorry, it had to be done...)

    1. Re:I for one... by ozbird · · Score: 4, Funny

      I for one welcome our new enigmatic radio-emitting hydrogen gas clouds.

    2. Re:I for one... by qcomp · · Score: 4, Funny
      I for one welcome our new intelligent extra terrestrial overlords!

      Did I miss something or is it the first time the overlords are supposed to be intelligent?
      That might be something to welcome indeed.

  2. Waste of time by LFS.Morpheus · · Score: 5, Funny

    No one's gunna pay attention to us until we have warp drive anyway.

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    The space unintentionally left unblank.
    1. Re:Waste of time by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Funny

      and then it will be some boring pointy eared guys with no sense of humor and alien chicks who are never in the mood

    2. Re:Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Speak for yourself. Some of already have it. We just see the speed limit signs as warp speed. 55 becomes warp 5.5 and 70 becomes 7.0

      We're moving so fast that you never see us, but we're there.

    3. Re:Waste of time by G00F · · Score: 5, Funny

      But at least the world will know of logical women.

      --
      The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive
    4. Re:Waste of time by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know you're obsessed with Star Trek when you do what the parent post suggests... and you call cops "Klingons".

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      Ron Paul 2012
    5. Re:Waste of time by cujo_1111 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just hate it when the Klingons have their cloaking turned on and look like shrubs on the side of the road...

      --
      If I point out that you are incorrect, making me a foe does not make you any more correct.
    6. Re:Waste of time by yppiz · · Score: 5, Funny
      As CBG from the Simpsons says:
      Inspired by the most logical race in the galaxy, the Vulcans, breeding will be permitted once every seven years. For many of you this will mean much less breeding, for me, much much more.
      --Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu
    7. Re:Waste of time by Ziviyr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Surely the Centauri will sell us jumpgate tech...

      --

      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
    8. Re:Waste of time by mshurpik · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rose has some great information payload sizes as examples (like the entire information equivalent for our global genome fitting on a 100 pound laptop!).

      Great while we're at it, let's also send them a Macintosh floppy disk. To make it fun, nobody tell them if its big or little endian. Anyone in the universe up for some GACTAGATTGAC?

    9. Re:Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or worse, they could work cheaper then indians

    10. Re:Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "like the entire information equivalent for our global genome fitting on a 100 pound laptop"

      Yeah, I saw this line and was like "What are we communicating with a race of giants?"

      Some of the 17 inch screen laptops get pretty big, but who has a 100 pound one? screw that I'll stick with my sony vaio picturebook, I don't care if the screen is too small to see some menus!

    11. Re:Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Actually, that was sort of the point of Kirk and Spock's relationship. Spock tempered Kirk's impulses, while Kirk showed Spock that emotions can be a valuable asset when making decisions.

      I always suspected they were married --

  3. Well, someone has to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our No-Definitive-Proof-Of-Existance Overlords... or something.

    Oh, and to be on topic, here's some other interesting signals....

  4. DNA Over Signal by Jack9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    When dealing with the vastness of space, how can you advocate physical over transmission. The article does nothing to describe why sending an object with mass 1/1000000 the size of a planet that we would notice is somehow preferable to trying to boost a signal.

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    Often wrong but never in doubt.
    I am Jack9.
    Everyone knows me.
    1. Re:DNA Over Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're forgetting about the inverse square law. The farther space probes get away from earth, the larger they get. That's why, for example, small satellites like our Mercury probes are able to cause regular solar eclipses.

    2. Re:DNA Over Signal by EvilAlien · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sending our genome out in any form would be exceedingly stupid. Once the aliens have our source code, they'll just steal it and make their own humans. I suppose that will free us from otherwise inevitable slavery or fate as a feed source, but then SCO will have to sue the aliens and we'll never hear the end of those annoying Santa Cruz bastards!

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      perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
    3. Re:DNA Over Signal by Fishstick · · Score: 5, Funny

      >Why bother?

      Well, it's a feel-good PR thing and it probably cost next-to-nothing relative to the overall project and it maybe it helped get the project through appropriations.

      "Look, here's our interplanetary probe, and oh, we've engraved our likeness on a plaque with a greeting in case anyone finds it! *wink*"

      "Remarkable! What do you think aliens would do if they found it?"

      "Oh, it's likely that an intelligent alien civilization will want to find the makers of this probe and pay us a visit to share their knowledge. Isn't that nice!?"

      meanwhile, just outside the orbit of Neptune...

      "Hey Glargh, look at this..."

      "Oh, how cute -- another one of those 'hey, we are here please come visit' things. What should we do?"

      "You know standing order #412,323.443!"

      "Oh, right -- let's make it look like an accident. Hey, here's a nice, big asteroid in a goofy orbit between the 4th and 5th planet -- just a little nudge... there. Now, in about 100 orbital rotations or so, they'll get a visit they'll never forget!"

      "Glargh, its moments like these when it all seems worthwhile."

      --

      There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
      Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.

    4. Re:DNA Over Signal by Fjornir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well... Just based on my personal experience I think it would take some really, really, good porn for me...

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      I want a new world. I think this one is broken.
    5. Re:DNA Over Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "With physical artifacts, as long as the beings can see visible light, there is a good chance that they can get a good jist of what we are trying to convey."

      Ya, send a bunch of aliens pictures of humans and animals... and pray that they don't think it's a menu.

      I'll go with weak radio signals, thanks.

    6. Re:DNA Over Signal by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jesus Christ. Voyager: Veeger, get it? Or have you forgotten the one with the transporter accident where the Vulcan gets beamed onboard and then sent back and doesn't quite arrive in one piece? You know, the one with the theme song that was used when a Frenchman was Captain...

      It's only the worst Star Trek movie ever made...

      --
      Like what I said? You might like my music
    7. Re:DNA Over Signal by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 2, Funny

      We have the capability to deflect any large asteroid from our orbital path.

      s/deflect/get mushed by/g

      HTH, HAND.

      -- Pete.

    8. Re:DNA Over Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Excellent idea. And furthermore, sending out an object that in turn sends out signals will allow us to reach the aliens faster. If we could accelerate the probe to half the speed of light, signals from it would travel 1.5x the speed of light relative to earth, which could make a huge difference.

  5. Tragic misunderstanding by girouette · · Score: 4, Funny

    Voyager scientists attach a plaque on the outbound trip - aliens attach a plague on the return trip.

    1. Re:Tragic misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think it runs on your mom.

  6. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If this turns out to be an MP3, it looks like someone is gonna get sued (it would be filed as RIAA v. Zorack Doe)

  7. Menu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Rose has some great information payload sizes as examples (like the entire information equivalent for our global genome fitting on a 100 pound laptop!)

    I'd rather not send a menu with the greeting.

  8. Re:Time to go find the dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...says SilentChris

  9. Finally! by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pardon me while I step out to light up my giant "WELCOME TO EARTH" sign.

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    An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
  10. When translated the signal reads... by smellygeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do not run. We are your friends.

  11. 100 Pound Laptop by eSun · · Score: 2, Funny

    My wife weighs about 100 lbs, can sit on my lap, and contains a complete copy of the human genome.

    1. Re:100 Pound Laptop by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ya but can she run linux? This is /. afterall :)

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  12. Atari by Ravensign · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looking at that signal that we are broadcasting to the ET's, they are going to get it and think we are a race of sentient Atari game character, and wonder one thing:

    Do they know about the magnet? Can they get the chalice across walls?

    --
    "Sig free in '03!"
  13. DAMNIT! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny
    We get an interesting signal and then you asshats go and /. it!

    Oh well, it's probably aliens requesting to be removed from our spam email list.

  14. Re:send engineered DNA by jabex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh what are you thinking?!

    Everybody knows that if you send some genetically engineered organism into the vastness of space, it will only return far more advanced - and destroy us for sending it's ancestors to a dark and empty prison.

    Duh.

    --
    Like Teddy with an elephant gun.
  15. Re:SETI finds a signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdotted my ass. We were never supposed to know about this. The government cover-up is underway.

  16. Re:face it by Wumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    How true. Consider that the male image on Voyager had a teeny tiny penis, and it all starts to make sense.

    The other option is a return message on a plaque, depicting a male alien with really large reproductive organs. That'll tell us, more than almost anything else, what sort of mentality we're dealing with.

  17. When the signal was finally translated... by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...it read "PH1RST P0ST!!!"

    Don't worry, NASA scientists have already modded them down.

    --

    I am Sartre of the Borg. Existence is futile.
  18. The canonical announcement is... by clintp · · Score: 3, Funny

    The canonical announcement for this kind of event is "Wow!".

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    Get off my lawn.
  19. Re:SETI finds a signal? by Inominate · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not slashdotting, it's been taken down by a secret govt agency who dropped the ball and allowed the news to get out.

  20. I call alien deception... by OneOver137 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Alien_mastermind "You see, it's actually quite simple. We make a signal appear at an 'empty' point in space and they'll just eat it up. They'll spend so much time theorizing and conjecturing that they'll miss our decceleration from hyperspace."

    Alien_sidekick"Hey boss, how we gonna do that without the latest hyperspace frequency propagator? All we have is the older Rev A."

    Alien_mastermind"Don't worry about a thing! They'll never pick up on that. It only drifts about 32 Hz--good enough for government work!"

  21. Re:Old Mindset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    stone tools -> spears -> bow and arrow -> bronze weapons -> steel weapons, finally to European society

    I'd stay with spears. Archers suck in Civ III. Now if you can get to steel, you get Legions, or if you were smart (and played the Japanese) then you get SAMURAI, which basically means that you are Jim A. Badass during the middle ages, as long as the Barbarians don't eat all the iron on your continent.

  22. Decode.c: the signal decoded says... by mikep.maine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hello Baltzar, Great news! No intelligent life on third planet, but I just saved a bundle on my space-car insurance. Tell the Gecko we'll be over for dinner, 10-4, over-and-out, later buddy, Bizstar84!zirc (no spam) nept.com

    --
    Mike www.sharecube.com
  23. More importantly...... by One_6453 · · Score: 3, Funny

    when we invent warp brakes!

    Alien one: what was that! Was it the martians was it the centaurians?

    Alien two: Naw prolly some race that just invented warp speed, give them a couple of thousand years and then they will invent warp brakes.

  24. Send them a free iPod with data on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    There seem to be so many being given away anyhow..

    Ooh! And some Viagra. That should show how far our race has advanced.

  25. just don't think.... by zogger · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...blasting off the entire human blueprint is such a hot idea. You got a 50/50 split on potential entities, and that would be the universe-all good/bad. Giving potential bad guys the plans to the human species seems a little risky.

    Perhaps a few hours of late night TV commercials might be more appropriate. Give them something to ponder on. If they are dumb enough to investigate it, we'll have the upper hand. If they are smart enough to recognize that we are bad news and probably loony tunes, they might leave us alone, and we really don't want *smarter* ETs swinging by, do we?

  26. Food and Fuel Next Exit by kerskine · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least that's how I read this plaque that was bolted on Pioneer 10.

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    ****

    "I'd never want to join a club that would have me as a member" - G. Marx
  27. Re:SETI finds a signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You have no idea how close to the truth you are.

  28. My God, it's full of primes! Seriously! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Before the site died, I downloaded the attached text file describing the frequency drift and was playing around with it in Octave.

    Folks, we're not alone any more. Once you get the data file, plot it as a function and get a best-fit polynomial approximation for (it's not terribly complex). Take the second derivative.

    Now, notice that there are lots of places where the new graph will almost touch zero (coming within 4% of mean) then reverse direction, but in other places the line continues right across zero like a typical sine curve. Also note that the zero-crossings and near-zero-crossings are at almost regular intervals.

    Next, assign an arbitary "zero" to those places where the graph reverses direction suddenly, and "one" to the actual roots. String those zeros and ones together.

    Starting at 11.32 seconds into the signal, I got a string of 11 ones then a zero, then 13 ones and a zero, then 17 and a zero, then 19, then 23, then 29, then 31, then 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, and so on until the resolution falls off at about 43.87 seconds.

    You heard it here first, Slashdotters. We're not alone anymore! I'm literally trembling while I type this. WE HAVE NEIGHBORS!!!

    I'm not sure what the name of the data file meant, but I guess we'll know more when their server comes back online.

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    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  29. Alien Message... DECODED! by Mulletproof · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Let me start by introducing myself. I am Sub-Commander Qulon Zarg, credit officer of the Trans Galactic Bank Ltd. I have a concealed business suggestion for you. Before the Pulson/Darius war our client Overlord Argus Vader who was with the Gandor Star Force and also business man made a numbered fixed deposit for 18 calendar months, with a value of Twenty millions Five Hundred Thousand Zerglian Dollars only in my branch. Upon maturity several notice was sent to him, even during the war early this year. Again after the war another notification was sent and still no response came from him. We later find out that the General and his family had been killed during the war in bomb blast that destroyed their entire planet. After further investigation it was also discovered that Overlord Argus Vader did not declare any next of kin in his official papers including the paper work of his bank deposit. And he also confided in me the last time he was at my office that no one except me knew of his deposit in my bank.

    So, Twenty millions Five Hundred Thousand Zerglian Dollars is still lying in my bank and no one will ever come forward to claim it. What bothers me most is that according to the to the laws of my country at the expiration 3 years the funds will revert to the ownership of the Episilon Prime Government if nobody applies to claim the funds. Against this backdrop, my suggestion to you is that I will like you as a foreigner to stand as the next of kin to Overlord Argus Vader so that you will be able to receive his funds.

    WHAT IS TO BE DONE:
    I want you to know that I have had everything planned out so that we shall come out successful. I have contacted an attorney that will prepare the necessary document that will back you up as the next of kin to Overlord Argus Vader, all that is required from you att his stage is for you to provide me with your Full Names and Address so that the attorney can commence his job. After you have been made the next of kin, the attorney will also fill in for claims on your behalf and secure the necessary approval and letter of probate in your favor for the move of the funds to an account that will be provided by you.There is no risk involved at all in the matter as weare going adopt a legalized method and the attorney will prepare all the necessary documents. Please endeavor to observe utmost discretion in all matters concerning this issue. Once the funds
    have been transferred to your nominated bank account we shall share in the ratio of 70% for me, 25% for you and 5% for any expenses incurred during the course of this operation. Should you be interested please send me your private phone and fax numbers for easy communication and I will provide you with more details of this operation. Your earliest response to this letter will be appreciated.

    Kind Regards,
    Sub-Commander Qulon Zarg

    --
    You need a FREE iPod Nano
  30. I Know This About Intelligent Life in the Universe by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 2, Funny

    It would be a good idea.

  31. first message from aliens: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    greetings human. your skin looks ... delicious!

  32. That stupid SETI@home thing doesn't work. by sserendipity · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had it running on my desktop for a week, and it didn't find a single alien.

  33. Re:Coral Cache Ineffective by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Here is an article that is un-slashdotted as of 0057 Universal Time. "

    You foolish humans and your 'universal' time. We from Persei Omicron 8 will smash you for your arrogance!

    --
    "Derp de derp."
  34. 100 pound laptop? by VivianC · · Score: 2, Funny

    (like the entire information equivalent for our global genome fitting on a 100 pound laptop!)

    You want me to send them my old TRS-80 Model 4P?

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    Viv

    Gmail invites for ip
  35. Re:But ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Have you seen MTV lately?

  36. Brilliant by erik_norgaard · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously noone would look for intelligent life here --- why do you think people are so busy trying to find it elsewhere?

    Some claim that the best proof of extraterrestial intelligence is that they have _NOT_ attempted to contact us...

    If extraterrestial lifeforms will ever show up, it will Vogons coming be to clear away this pathetic planet..

    Go ahead Bush, don't let them get that chance, blow up the planet .. that will show them

  37. Re:1 is not prime by djmurdoch · · Score: 2, Funny

    (Sure that breaks the "only one prime factoring" property of any integer, but if we get a signal that said 1 2 3 5... we shouldn't drop it because it contains 1 :-)

    But if we do, our reply should start out "You dumbass, ..."

  38. My God, it's full of trolls!!! by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Funny

    Probably the most successful troll I've ever seen, at least as far as putting readers on an emotional rollercoaster.

  39. Re:It definitely comes from earth by should_be_linear · · Score: 2, Funny

    You really never heard of quantum-frequency-time-shifting (QFTS) effects? It will be used in every future broadcast, since it can adjust frequency back in time to what is reciever actually listening. How can we *ever* understend so advance technology millions of years beyond us? Or, maybe, Arecibo is really broken.

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  40. Get a life, you people by Phishcast · · Score: 5, Funny

    You there, you must be almost thirty. Have you ever kissed a girl?

  41. Re:Forget the math for a second by XMyth · · Score: 2, Funny

    MD5 hashes.

    Oh wait...