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Cooking for Engineers

gbjbaanb writes "It's not often I post about a website, but this one is different. It is Cooking For Engineers. No big deal, you'd think - a web site about recipes and cooking. But go look at how he's presented it. Most recipes are designed for women, and their funny way of looking at the world. These are very different and instantly understandable for tech geeks like us. Oh yes, although he's been affected by firefox, he blames Microsoft. :)"

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  1. Poor guy... by ack154 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Kind of ironic that todays post was about traffic:
    All I can say now is: WOW!

    On Wednesday, my readership started to increase from 20-40 hits per day to over 150 hits. I was starting to approach 1000 total hits and was pretty excited about that, when on Thursday I received almost 2000 hits. Right now, (a little past 2:30pm Pacific Daylight Savings Time) I have received almost 6000 hits for Friday.

    Yesterday, with less than 2000 hits I exceeded by bandwidth traffic limitations for the MONTH. Thursday's transfers were in excess of 1 GB. I immediately upgraded the service from doteasy.com's free service to the highest tiered pay service, but that only gives me 20 GB per month. So, I'm in a bit of a pickle. I'm guessing the 20 GB will last only through the weekend.

    So, I need suggestions on low cost HIGH traffic (I guess I'll need about 10 GB per day) servers that I can move my website to. I don't need too much space (100 MB will last a long time) because the site is currently only 8 MB.

    As a warning this website might go down, but I'll do everything I can to keep it up and running.

    I'm also thinking about putting up a paypal donation thing, but that isn't going to help unless I can find a host that will be able to allow enough monthly traffic for the website to survive.

    You can post comments here or e-mail me at cooking@cookingforengineers.com.
    Poor guy... already having bandwidth troubles and then someone slashdots him...
    1. Re:Poor guy... by dschl · · Score: 5, Insightful
      >Use coral. In the articles I've submitted (0/2 posted) my links were coralized.

      The real question is, why don't the editors do it? Would it take too much time out of his busy, busy day for Michael to add nydu.net:8090 to a posting? If Perl is such a kickin' language, why doesn't Taco make links default to Coral if they are not submitted with it in the first place? That's largely what Coral was set up for - they even mention the /. effect by name on their site.

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    2. Re:Poor guy... by dschl · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Generally, the people you reference who care deeply about statistics are not too worried about their bandwidth costs. I presume you recall how this thread started: the guy who runs the site is being crushed by the bandwidth demands, and a slashdotting was the last thing he wanted or needed.

      A coral cache isn't for use for every link you post - it is a perfect tool for links from sites which act as a lens, focusing a ton of traffic (such as slashdot, memepool, etc), much like the flash crowds in Niven novels. Low traffic sites such as my personal sites will never need to reference third party sites via a coral link, but then I get so little traffic that a link from my site is not going to even be noticed, let alone cause problems to any third party. Such is not the case with slashdot.

      Fine, don't use coral for a link to Amazon, or IBM. But use some judgement - it would be nice to be able to still visit the smaller (personal) sites and actually read the stories more than 1 minute after the site hits the main page. The smaller tech company site announcements about new products would likely appreciate avoiding a slashdotting.

      Also, Coral lists the IPs and hostnames of all of their servers, and updates a page every five minutes - if you were really obsessive about your stats, you could flag coral servers, and write a script to pull them from your Apache logs. If you saw them every five minutes, you could then safely assume that someone was saving your site from a hammering.

      You are truly paranoid, though. Coral is a university research project, hosted by volunteer mirrors. Apart from the fact that there are no hidden agendas or nefarious motives behind Coral, I doubt that the traffic stats for a flash crowd are very meaningful or marketable given the breadth of content covered over a month (mile wide, inch deep). For the revenues from the type of info Coral could collect, I doubt that it would even be worth the costs of setting up the hardware for caching servers, let alone writing the software and paying the bandwidth charges and staff time.

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  2. Charts by keiferb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Those charts are genious.

    I can't count the number of times I've gotten lost following a recipe in a real cook book, but these things take a lot less time to read, and look like they'd be a lot easier to follow throughout the process.

    Plus, they're a lot more compact than a written-out recipe. That means I can fit more of them in my recipe bo...

    aw, who am I kidding?

    1. Re:Charts by AchilleTalon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, seems engineers are easy to impress. And these pizza eaters just don't know cooking is an art, not a science. So, even if you have a good structure to support the ingredients, turning it into a real chef d'oeuvre need more than finite element analysis.

      I'd rather than like to see a cooking book from a chemist. These guys knows the difference between concrete and whipped cream.

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    2. Re:Charts by AchilleTalon · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Seriously, cooking has become really a scientific field studied at some universities. The reason I didn't mentionned it at start is I just don't remember the details. But I think a chemist at La Sorbonne a few others around the world, including one in Montreal (but may be it's a physicist) started studying and teaching cooking from the scientific point of view. Apparently, some well know Chef's are seriously consulting them. Among other astonished accomplishements, they found the exact ideal temperature and humidity to cook an egg. That's not a joke! The egg white is not liquid, nor solid. Something like this strange mix called liquid-solid.

      All this to say this engineering book about cooking is just a cook book about cooking and not real science.

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    3. Re:Charts by Methuseus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, are you saying that the average joe, who can follow a table recipe instead of a standard recipe, won't make anything that tastes as good as a frozen meal?

      I agree that the average person won't make an excellent chef, and that it takes more than a recipe to make excellent food. But to make good food that most people will eat merely takes a recipe and someone who can follow it.

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  3. Alton Brown... Is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought there was already a Patron Saint chef of geeks... Alton Brown!

  4. XML by TedTschopp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about creating an XML namespace for this format...

    That could be fun....

    Ted Tschopp

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    1. Re:XML by bunnyman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Already beendone.

  5. Chart Idea Awesome by MagicDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's a great way of presenting all the steps in the process. Whenever I cook, I always assume that the long step is always the last one (Bake for 90 minutes, simmer for 30 minutes, etc). I've had to order out for chineese many times when trying new receipies because step 4 of 12 is something like "Marinate for 29 hours", and you know, I didn't really bother to read past the list of ingredients. I just figure that if I don't have to shop for it, I can cook it that day.

    1. Re:Chart Idea Awesome by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Informative

      Perhaps you should learn a lesson from this: read everything before you do anything. It isn't necessarily just a question how long the recipie takes, either. Sometimes a recipie will call for a tool or pan that you don't have and can't improvise easily. Sometimes you'll have to time things so that two subcomponents of a recipie come are finished at the same time. Just remember that you should know the whole recipie before starting and you'll save yourself a world of grief.

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  6. My favorite engineer recipe. by Daleks · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Find a woman who can tolerate you.
    2. Enter the kitchen with her.
    3. Do whatever she says.

    Actually, if you leave out step 2 the other steps nearly always apply.

    1. Re:My favorite engineer recipe. by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      3. Do whatever she says.

      Mine always says, "Feed me."

      I'm a much better cook than she is. That's ok, she's a much better welder. These are modern times. I make the Pad Thai, she makes the locomotives. It works for us.

      I read recipies, but I don't "follow" them. I read them to get ideas, just as I use engineering manuals to get ideas, not find solutions. The books never have the questions I'm working on in them. When we ride on trains she'd be happier knowing I had designed it, I'd be happier knowing she'd built it. We don't ride trains much. We know too much.

      The trick is to learn your ingredients and processes, then whatever you happen to have in the house (and/or lawn. Dandelions, purslane, violets, clover, day lilies, chicory, all wonderful foodstuffs) becomes your "recipie."

      Recipies are great for the beginner or casual cook, but the idea really is to go beyond them, to use them as lab practicums to understand what you're doing and why.

      Recipies are rarely presented this way though. Read James Beard's Theory and Practice of Good Cooking. It's full of recipies, but they're all there to illustrate a point, much as a good engineering manual.

      KFG

    2. Re:My favorite engineer recipe. by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's why God invented soups and stews. You make one huge pot of something that you can eat out of at will during the week. Keep "evolving" it for variety. What starts out on Sunday as a couple gallons of lentil soup ends up as a few bowls of lentil and potato curry by Thursday.

      The entire art of homemade "convienience" foods seems to have died out, in fact the two are often considered antithetical, but the microwave oven makes them an more valid than ever.

      Rice and bean dishes are also excellent for cooking in bulk.

      Then when she wants to eat at 6, but you want to cook until 9, you can prepare her (or she can help herself) a quicky mini-meal with a cup of hot chocolate (or wine if her taste turns in that direction), and you're free to cook until the contentment of that wears off.

      KFG

  7. Tiramisu: "whisk to stiff peaks," by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    "layer and spread twice." I don't know whether to be hungry or horny!

    ~~~

  8. It's a forgery by nutshell42 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    no self-respecting engineer would use Imperial instead of metric

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    1. Re:It's a forgery by El · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but where do I find an oven that's calibrated in degrees Kelvin?

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    2. Re:It's a forgery by base3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's just "Kelvin," not "degrees Kelvin," damn it :).</nerd>

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    3. Re:It's a forgery by GrimReality · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yeah, but where do I find an oven that's calibrated in degrees Kelvin?

      If you are an engineer, you could probably get one, albeit, really expensive and probably not built to easily accommodate standard kitchen stuff. :-)

      By the way, there is no 'degrees Kelvin'. It is an absolute unit, and it is just 'kelvin'. Yeah, there is no 'Kelvin' only 'kelvin', unless you are saying 'Lord Kelvin' :-)

      So much pedantry for the day :-) LoL

    4. Re:It's a forgery by E-Rock · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think NASA tried using both and it didn't work out so well.

  9. I thought this was cooking for engineers.... by stangbat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least it is in my home: How to Brew.

  10. What is a cup? by hattig · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on ... "cooking for engineers" ... use Metric for chrissakes.

    I once read a recipe : "1 cup banana" ... no kidding.

    Americans ...

  11. I agree! by jon_c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As am amateur cook and professional engineer I was very impressed with the layout. I can not tell you how many times I have misread a recipe because I skimmed the English looking for the next step. Last week I skipped 3 hours of a second rise on a bread I already spent 18 hours on, if only I had not missed that step! This layout is simply brilliant, ingredients on the Y, steps/time on the X. It couldn't be more strait forward. Now we just need to get EVERYONE doing this!

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  12. Cooking v1.0 for nerds by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Goto store
    2. Insert 12, eggs, cart
    3. Insert 1lb, butter, cart
    4. Mov $5.00, wallet, store_clerk
    5. Goto home
    6. Mov pan, grill
    7. heating = 05
    8. Mov 1oz, butter, pan
    9. Mov 2, eggs, pan
    10. sleep (1000)
    11. Mov product, oral_cavity
    12. end

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  13. Coral P2P distributed Mirror by TheMysteriousFuture · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the Coral P2P Webcache of the Main page and a example recipe

    Note: Cache includes images (vs google link posted above).

    PS: somebody wrote a javascript bookmarklet that'll take you to the coral cache of the page you are on. There's also a offical Coralize plugin for Mozilla

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  14. Coral Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative


    perhaps this might help him
    courtesy of the Coral Distribution Network

    http://www.cookingforengineers.com.nyud.net:8090/

    save his bandwidth and use that

  15. Perhaps a better approach by lakeland · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I found the layout of the recipe very nice, but it just doesn't scale if the steps are particularly complex -- look at how creme brulee was described if you don't believe me. However, something very similar that does scale is the latex style cooking by Axel Reichert (CTAN link: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contr ib/cooking/)

    The essential difference is that instead of nesting columns, Axel's style uses only two columns which enables the second column to be very large if necessary. Though I've got to admit that for simple recipies, the cooking for engineer's site looks very good.

    PS: Cooking is a great way to unwind after spending all day coding, especially if you don't mind the meal taking a few hours (and glasses of wine) to prepare...

  16. Here's Mine by superid · · Score: 4, Funny


    "Microwave Until Hot"

    yep, and I'm an engineer too

  17. Phewww!! by ImTwoSlick · · Score: 5, Funny
    For a second there, I thought the title said:

    Cooking Foreigners

    Needs more salt.

    1. Re:Phewww!! by Avumede · · Score: 4, Funny

      No thanks. I had Indian for lunch.

  18. The secret to getting a story posted on /. by bunnyman · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Point out that IE is not standards compliant.
    2) Submit story.
    3) Allow web server to bake until golden brown.
    4) Enjoy!

  19. Huh? by AdamHaun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The linked site actually gives a pretty cool way of doing recipes. This comment, however:

    Most recipes are designed for women, and their funny way of looking at the world

    Is completely uncalled for. What part of

    Name of Food

    Ingredients

    Instructions

    is in any way some sort of "funny way of looking at the world"? It's not like there aren't plenty of male cooks, either. Way to be sexist, Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Huh? by AdamHaun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      sexism (skszm)
      n.

      1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
      2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

      Note in particular definition 2. The original sentence was a blanket statement with nothing to back it up and no purpose other than to say "hey, look, women are *different* and *weird*". Sexism is about more than calling people bad. If you must find an insult in there before you're satisfied, compare "funny" with "for engineers"; the implication being that the latter is superior while the former is odd and ineffective.

      If there had been any context whatsoever for the statement, I wouldn't have bothered to say anything, but the fact that it was so out of place led me to speak up.

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  20. Cooking HOWTO videos by Kaimelar · · Score: 4, Informative
    While we're on the subject of cooking, Epicurious has a pretty neat section of HOWTO videos (, covering everything from dicing an onion to carving a turkey to working dough properly. They can be seen at http://www.epicurious.com/cooking/how_to/video/. Lots of other great content on that site -- I've learned a lot from them.

    The videos are in Real format, just in case you were wondering.

  21. Real recipe engineering by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    There's such a thing as engineered recipes, but these aren't it. Engineered recipes are for volume production in food plants.

    Serious recipes have tolerances. What temperatures are needed, and how tightly do times and temperature have to be controlled? What's the effect of ambient humidity? Here's a oven for a commercial bakery.. 6 heat zones, digital temperature control, and a conveyor belt. The bakery with a unit like that has recipes that tell how to set it up for each product they make. There's no market for a few thousand slightly burnt rolls. Some jobs need a fancy oven like that. Others are less critical. Some jobs (especially pastries) need even finer control.

    There are safety issues. See this microorganism lethality calculator. That's a key part of an industrial recipe.

    Here are some engineered home recipes. These are intended for use in a programmable home bread-making machine. Note the comments:

    • Measure all ingredients exactly -- close is not "good enough".
    • Water temperature must be between 70 and 80 degrees Farenheit.
    • Use flour specifically designed for bread machines; it rises better than all-purpose flour.
    • Load ingredients in the pan in the order listed.
    • Keep yeast away from liquids.
    Now that's what real engineered recipes look like, tolerances, computer control, and all.
  22. Re:And people wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "People wonder why we can't get laid?"

    1) Turn the box off.
    2) Open the blinds, curtains, shades, etc. and check to see if it is day or night.
    3) Clean up the old pizza boxes, dirty dishes, and other assorted junk around the box.
    4) Clean and bleach the kitchen and bathroom, and change the sheets on the bed.
    5) Shower, brush your teeth, slath on some deoderant, and dress in clean street clothes. (Put the the old plaid bathrobe you have been wearing for the past 3 months in a strong plastic bag. Or better yet burn it.)
    6) Walk out the door.

    This method isn't foolproof, but with the simple act of getting the hell out of the house you will increase your odds of getting laid by 100%.

    Oh yes......if you do find yourself in the company of an interesting female you may further increase your odds by asking for what you want. We can't read your minds.

    Just a thought from a female...

  23. So that means ... by I+don't+want+to+spen · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... It must be open sauce ...

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  24. Real engineers use standard units by shermozle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this was truly for engineers, it would use metric units and wouldn't mix volume and weight units unnecessarily. Using cups for recipes is ridiculous considering the possible variations in texture and grain size.