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Batteries For Your Pen And Paper?

An anonymous reader writes "We've been hearing about the paperless office for years now, but we never seem to get any nearer to that environmentally friendly nirvana. It's just too easy to jot things down on a piece of paper, far easier than using a PDA. So maybe a digital pen and paper is the answer? The people at Pegasus, inventor of the Mobile NoteTaker certainly think so. Unfortunately, the guy who reviewed the NoteTaker thinks otherwise."

120 comments

  1. Why not a PDA? by lecithin · · Score: 4, Informative

    This sums it up for me:

    "Now, as a cheap gadget this would all be perfectly acceptable. But when put within the context of its price it borders on crazy. I am all for convergence technologies, but when you consider the Mobile NoteTaker is priced at just under £150 I cannot see many takers. This is more expensive than some colour PDAs we have had in the labs and 50 per cent more than the very useable palmOne Zire 31 which can be found for less than £100. "

    I figure that if a person cannot use a PDA they are not going to be able to really use this. If you are one of those people, carry a pack of yellow-stickies.

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    1. Re:Why not a PDA? by smaug195 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that, last time I checked, pen and paper cost maybe 1.00$ for a 70 page notebook and a pen.

    2. Re:Why not a PDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We've been hearing about the paperless office for years now, but we never seem to get any nearer to that environmentally friendly nirvana."

      Polyvinyl chloride is more environmentally friendly than wood??

  2. Another solution... by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...in search of a problem. I don't know what will replace pen & paper but it will be a huge paradigm shift and not just an electroninc similie of writing.

    Cheers,

    Erick

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    1. Re:Another solution... by abionnnn · · Score: 0

      Nothing will ever replace paper. You can write over your stuff if's wrong, it doesn't require batteries, if you knew how you could make it yourself, etc.

      With the exception of programming, I can't put ideas down faster on computers than on paper. When civilisation is brought to it's knees, perhaps the use of paper will cease, but until then...

    2. Re:Another solution... by frisket · · Score: 1

      I believe it was Beta Starchild who commented that the paperless office would arrive about the same time as the paperless toilet.

  3. 149 lb? by -kertrats- · · Score: 4, Interesting

    for £149, couldn't you just get a cheap PDA and just never take it out of notepad mode? plus if you ever felt the incentive to actually use it, you've got that opportunity. Get a pen-shaped stylus and you're set.

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  4. What's the sense in digital pen/paper- by thewldisntenuff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, who's going to use digital when a Bic and a Sticky....How does one transfer digital notes to your mother/spouse/friend?

    This will become about as widespread as MS BOB :)

    -thewldisntenuff

    1. Re:What's the sense in digital pen/paper- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now, down here in South Florida, old-fashioned paper and pen seem to be a wiser choice as they can survive a soaking and lack of recharging due to hurricanes far better than a PDA, IMNSHO...

      It was bad enough having to go out to the car to recharge my cell phone battery while I was without AC power for 45 hours. I can't understand why someone would be dependent on a fragile technology when there are KISS solutions readily available.

    2. Re:What's the sense in digital pen/paper- by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      old-fashioned paper and pen seem to be a wiser choice as they can survive a soaking

      Wow. You're paper is amazing to be able to still be read after being soaked. I wish I could have some of that paper. This sounds like a knee-jerk reaction to anything technological.

  5. Environmentally friendly? by tajmorton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Environmentally friendly? Creating batteries, pens, and producing resistors are not environmentally friendly...I'm not sure what they really mean. Can anybody explain?

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    1. Re:Environmentally friendly? by goneutt · · Score: 1

      I agree that the batteries and what not make this environmentally unfriendly, should'a been a cradle setup to recharge. but junk is junk.

      Why does /. bring us reviews of stuff thats getting panned, warning us or filler content?

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    2. Re:Environmentally friendly? by the+real+darkskye · · Score: 1

      This is a solution to please all the tree hugging hippies who are too stoned to actually know what really goes on in the world.

      It is quite clear that we are in a throw away society if something breaks we throw it out and get something newer and more sparkley.

      Which takes me to my tree hugger mode and I have to ask, which is easier to recycle, small pieces of paper and biros, or all this tech?
      At the end of the day which is the more eco-friendly solution? The paper or the tech?

      I'm not a tree hugger or eco minded so I'll leave it to the reader to go and find out.

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    3. Re:Environmentally friendly? by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Can anybody explain?"

      Sure. The moron environmentalist are those who can see no further than the very, very immediate circumstance.

      In this case:
      They assume they have the device.
      They assume said device had no environmental impact.
      They assume that because paper is made from plant fiber, it's bad.
      They assume that the use of paper notes -- in toto -- will be worse than the use of technology -- in toto.

      See? Simply. Just don't think past the moment

      Note to the hippy disparagers. The author of the comment is apparently a techie. Environmental idiots come in all stripes.

    4. Re:Environmentally friendly? by shokk · · Score: 1

      Not to mention all the electricity required to either keep drives spinning so that the data can be readily accessed, or to power systems so that it can be read from whatever media is being used. Not a lot of energy going on to pick up a piece of paper and read it, but it's awfully easy to make a disorganized mess out of it. Not that most people use the full organizational power of their computers anyway.

      Anyway, the whole computers=ecofriendly thing is all wrong. Go ahead and buy your iMac, hippie, you're killing the environment in a different way.

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    5. Re:Environmentally friendly? by d474 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      This is a solution to please all the tree hugging hippies who are too stoned to actually know what really goes on in the world.
      *cough* flamebait *cough*
      It is quite clear that we are in a throw away society if something breaks we throw it out and get something newer and more sparkley.
      What a glorious observation. Please don't stop...
      Which takes me to my tree hugger mode and I have to ask, which is easier to recycle, small pieces of paper and biros, or all this tech? At the end of the day which is the more eco-friendly solution? The paper or the tech?
      Are you actually attempting to use your cerebral cortex here? Good for you kiddo! Can he keep it up...
      I'm not a tree hugger or eco minded so I'll leave it to the reader to go and find out.
      ...alas, you let us down again. We were really looking forward to your conclusion.
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    6. Re:Environmentally friendly? by d474 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Oligoncicella, you wow me with your exacting logic and mind expanding spin.

      I'm faced the with the choice of wasting the next 10 minutes trying to point out to you the complete and utter weakness of your post, but I'd like to hope that it is readily apparent and hence, unnecessary. That, and I've got less important things to do like just let others know they are not alone when they feel their IQ drop a few points by reading your comment.

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    7. Re:Environmentally friendly? by LGagnon · · Score: 1

      This isn't us environmentalists creating hype for this product; it's a company who thinks we're dumb that is. Don't insult us just because a peice of junk is marketed at us; if you're going to do that, then you'd have to call geeks stupid because Windows is marketed to them. That wouldn't be fair either, but neither is your comment.

  6. Lovely by comwiz56 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the article: 50 pages, tiny, feels cheap, excessive batteries, can't even exit some of the menus. Overall rating = 4/10

    I think I'll pass for now, especially with the £150 (~$270)

    1. Re:Lovely by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      excessive batteries

      Yeah, but this comment set of my "dork-o-meter." The dork considered three SR41 (watch size [7.9mm x 3.6mm]) batteries in the pen and two (count them, only two) AAA betteries in the memory unit to be excessive. While I agree with many of his comments, the tone of the article in general was negative from the start, so it was pretty obvious that Gordon was suffering from severe constipation when he reviewed the product. I mean the guy even complained about the "boxy components at the head of the link cable."

      In fairness however, my verdict basically matches his. Way too expensive, cheap construction, not enough thought went into useability and design, bugs in the software. Overall, a bad value. But the batteries aren't really an issue, although I'd opt to replace the three SR41s in the pen with one or two AAAs because they are easier to find and you can get 15-minute rechargeables from Rayovac.

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    2. Re:Lovely by Annoying · · Score: 1

      Using watch batteries makes me think that the purpose of them is to keep some memory ticking in the pen. Adding another AAA would mean that whenever they needed to be changed you'd lose the data you were trying to store, unless they were in seperate compartments. Additionally, rechargable batteries (at least, NiMH types) self-discharge and will be at a low enough voltage to be commonly considered dead after 60 days. Using rechargables in remote controls and long term low drain applications is a misapplication of the technology.

  7. poster forgot to RTFA by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reviewer didn't say a digital pen and paper is a bad idea. All the negative comments in the article are aimed at this implementation.

    The build quality is cheap, it's big and bulky, it requires MS Office, etc.

    The reviewer seemed to like what the technology had to offer, this implementation was just junky.

    Jason
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    1. Re:poster forgot to RTFA by iantri · · Score: 1
      The reviewer didn't say a digital pen and paper is a bad idea.
      Maybe not, but I think it is bad idea; what advantage does it offer over using a regular pen and paper?

      I mean, all you end up with is an image of what you wrote (and nevermind handwriting recognition, it simply doesn't work unless you are using a specialized standardized character set like Graffiti), and you can do that with a scanner for a lot less..

    2. Re:poster forgot to RTFA by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      what advantage does it offer over using a regular pen and paper?

      What advantages do computer filing systems have over paper systems?

      You can your notes for every course you've ever taken with you in your notebook computer...If the prof starts talking about something you remember from 3 semesters ago, you'll can have your original notes from that lecture with you and you can look them up and refer to them during the class you're in.

      You can "lend" your notes to a friend without worrying that you won't get them back until after the exam.

      If you can't see advantages, it's only because you lack imagination (or considered school a 4-year drink-fest :) )

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  8. Nothing new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cheap product + fancy marketing = $225 piece of junk. I've seen a bunch of products that promised to read your writing over the years, starting back with the Newton. Until the logic gets better in reading the writing theres no reason to make them out of good materials, cuz no one is going to use them as writing pads.

    Palm pilot might not do to hot at reading your writing, but its not intended as an imput device.

    1. Re:Nothing new here by ElQueso · · Score: 1

      Cheap product + fancy marketing = $225 piece of junk
      Why does it have to be about Windoze all the time?

    2. Re:Nothing new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many years into the future, somebody is going to put all the best features of all these devices together, and eschew all of the annoyances, and there it will stand - the 'innovative' perfect paper replacement: the StrongARM Newton.

      Of course, by now, Newton would have had built-in GPRS for data/VoIP/wifi/bluetooth (in fact the old Newtons can do all this with PC cards). It would be faster/lighter/cheaper/slimmer. It would sync a lot more easily. It would be all screen. But basically, it's going to be a Newton, because some problems have a best solution, and typing with one hand isn't it.

  9. Step away from the Post-it notes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drop 'em! Now! Hold your hands up high, and don't make a move. Licence and registration, please.... Now I will need your signature... oh wait.

  10. I would get one but... by M0nkfish · · Score: 1, Funny

    I ruined the last piece of digital paper I had by using correction fluid to erase my mistakes.

    1. Re:I would get one but... by Chrax · · Score: 0

      Boooo!

  11. It's a caponised PDA! by argent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can get smaller, lighter, and easier to use PDAs with a better screen for that kind of money. And they can also serve as handwriting capture devices if that's what you want. If someone had shown me this gadget and asked me to guess how much it cost, I'd have been off by a factor of 10, because it looks comparable to the Palm knock-offs Royal was selling for $50 four years ago... and I'm sure you can buy equivalents for $15-$20 today.

    Yeesh. The problem here isn't that digital note taking as a problem, it's that Pegasus is charging ten times what it's worth (or, alternatively, doing ten times less than they should for the money they charge).

    1. Re:It's a caponised PDA! by indiechild · · Score: 1

      You're much kinder than I am. I think the Pegasus Mobile NoteTaker is a complete fricken' joke.

      Unfortunately, it is for real...
      http://pegasustec.en.ec21.com/GC00554976/ CA0055498 7/Mobile_Notetaker.html

  12. um, digital pen and paper? been done before.. by admiralfrijole · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Logitech IO pen uses a small camera and special paper with faint dots printed on it to record what you have written, then transfer them over bluetooth to your computer, phone, $DEVICE.

    its slick in principle, but clunky, large, and uses expensive paper...

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    1. Re:um, digital pen and paper? been done before.. by admiralfrijole · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ok, well, its not the same at all.

      thats what i get for not reading the article first :p

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    2. Re:um, digital pen and paper? been done before.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.expansys-usa.com/forumthread.asp?code=SU-1B&th read=5

      Here's a review of similar devices. Given Moore's law and the decreasing size and power consumption of computer power, we will soon be able to put lots of processing power in something the size of a pen. The race goes to whoever dreams up a workable user interface.

      Personally, I like the idea of a device that will act like a personal secretary. You talk to it, it talks back, it interprets your commands correctly and gives you useful information. eg. me: "The boss wants to talk to me at 9 tomorrow." secretary: "You are in a meeting at that time. Will 10:30 work?" me: "Yes." secretary: "Ok, you're booked."

      I find PDAs cumbersome and the Logitech pen that I tried didn't feel less so.

    3. Re:um, digital pen and paper? been done before.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that would almost be a perfect solution except for the proprietary paper format.

  13. Already been done... by screwedcork · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Logitech did this a long time ago with the io

    1. Re:Already been done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you insist on embaressing yourself go RTFA, then come back and apologize for being born.

  14. Pen? Paper? by devphaeton · · Score: 1

    What are these technologies?

    /me boggles mind

    hrmm... nothing there...

    Is this a new technology developed and perfected overseas, that is just now landing in North America? What is this thing you call "Pen"? What is this thing called "Paper"?

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    1. Re:Pen? Paper? by hobo2k · · Score: 1

      Easy.

      Pen: that thing the cashier lets you use when you pay with a credit card.

      Paper: that colorful junk which you have to move from that box outside your house (a "mailbox") to your trash-can every day.

  15. Paperless office... by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The paperless office will, like privatized Social Security, never happen.

    Not that it can't work, it just won't happen. Many years ago Xerox was hearing this new "buzzword" paperless office so much they decided to do something. They took a bunch of guys and sent them down to Palo Alto and told them to come back with this paperless office.

    Well, they went down there and developed a number of things, Ethernet and GUI's being among the new things, and brought it back to show their bosses.

    Once the head guys saw it they said: "No one will use this!".

    Of course they were partly wrong, but partly right. Of course we use GUI's and Ethernet, but still no paperless office. And that "Office of the Future" was developed in 1970. 34 years later and we have no paperless office.

    Why? It isn't feasible. As more computers go into the office, it seems to me that more paperwork is needed... just to take care of those computers.

    Electronics are "earth friendly" either, so that isn't a good reason to ditch paper and pen. Trees for pencils and paper are usually grown on farms or their replacements planted immediately -- not so easy to replace the heavy metals sometimes used in electronics.

    Plus... dumping paper in China isn't likely to kill their citizens like computer equipment dumped there does. (But as long as China takes the check for dumping services, that is partly their fault)

    1. Re:Paperless office... by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Why? It isn't feasible. As more computers go into the office, it seems to me that more paperwork is needed... just to take care of those computers.

      It's very feasable. It just requires discipline, enforcement, totally outsourced printing, and a method to read that's as strain-free as plain paper.

      In 10 years, once we have electronic paper tablets, we'll probably see the paperless office become "practicable." And from there, it'll rise or fall on its own meirts and the basis of its filing system.

    2. Re:Paperless office... by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      It may take a long time (or forever) to go paperless, but it is possible to reduce the amount of paper if the technologies are convenient to use.

      I've been on a campaign to reduce the amount of paper that people give me, and it seems to be working well. The problem that I have with paper is that when I set it down, it just sits there. If I close an electronic file it's still available in its original location, rather than sitting somewhere in a pile of stuff on my desk (though I've been known to have someone ask me for a paper document, spin around stare at many heaps of paper for a few seconds, reach directly into one of them and pull out the document).

      The main ways I reduce paper are:
      - if someone is going to give me a copy of something that originated in electronic form, I make them send it electronically. Usually these are the kind of thing I want to read once and archive, and electronic is the easiest way to keep it anyway.

      - if someone is going to make a paper copy of something for me, I scan it instead. The copy machine near my office actually makes decent resolution, reasonably compact pdf files even faster than it copies. It dumps them to a server, and I pull them off. It's actually easier than making copies, and other people can do it with that copier as easily as I can. The full version of acrobat can even OCR these, and I've even used it to OCR a full page DNA sequence from a piece of paper with no errors.

      - occasionally I'll go through my old paper files and scan things into archives (this doesn't happen often, usually when someone asks me for a copy of a document I'll scan it for them instead).

      - I usually take notes with my laptop. I find it's much easier than using a pda, and then things are filed right away. I still experiment with the best way to do this. It's not very good for things like equations, but I don't have to do much of that lately anyway (at least not on the fly). I try to use notebooks for actually doing math expressions, rather loose paper.

      Since I've started doing this (a year or more) I've greatly reduced the amount of new paper that accumulates in my files, though I still have a fair amount of old paper. Some things still use a lot of paper anyway, like proposals, which have to be printed, and you often have to go through a bunch of printed versions to get them reviewed and formatted accurately.

      I still print things like directions and maps that I might have to carry in the car or on travel, but I usually scan things like travel itineraries.

    3. Re:Paperless office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like papaer. It is very strange how sometimes they will go to GREAT lengths to make sure they can use paper.

      I work on a product where people enter things into a computer. Some customers actually have the end users put it into the computer. Then have them do the same task on paper. That paper is then used to put into ANOTHER computer. Where it is printed out from and put into ANOTHER computer...

      In some companies the computer is in the way. Yet they do not even realize it. If their systems all talked to each other it may be a different story. But many companies have a hodge podge of computers/paperwork all the way back from the 60's. None of which talk to each other. The connecting dots is paper.

      People will go with what is familar. They were taught on paper. They can get it cheap. There is no 'turn the thing on' step. Or 'create the document' step. Its just already 'on' as it were. Ready to rock.

      On the flip side I have seen companies get 20-50% improvments in productivity by removing paperwork from the managment chain. It removes the 'copy' error and the 'human element'. Also once all the data is in the computer you can see where your process needs work. Another place where the paperless office failes to work. As everyone is in such a hurry to get rid of paper they do not keep an eye on WHY they are doing it.

      Plus paper for taking notes will never go away. Would you hand a stranger a $200 notepad or a .00001 cent sheet of paper with a number on it?

      One thing the 'paperless' office seems to have removed is white out. I never see that stuff anymore! It was never the paper that was the scarce resource it was the work of making the document. Word processors are awsome for fixing things quickly.

      Paper will be around for a LONG time. It has been around for a few thousand years. Computers on the other hand...

    4. Re:Paperless office... by Saeger · · Score: 3, Informative
      Trees for pencils and paper are usually grown on farms or their replacements planted immediately

      Indeed. And the dirty little secret is that paper recycling is actually WORSE for the environment than harvesting newgrowth, but nobody wants to believe that in the face of the facts (which I haven't linked to here). In fact, about the only thing worth recycling, in terms of saving both energy and environment, is aluminum. Once oil gets too expensive to extract, plastic can join that list too.

      So, if you want to *be* "earth friendly", instead of *feeling* earth-friendly, throw away everything except your cans (at least until we can recycle 100% of everything with molecular reassembly).

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    5. Re:Paperless office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sold. I'm not generating any of this paper. Virtually all of the paper in both my home & my office exists because other organisations feel that they should send me paper even though it's pointless.

      So both my phone company, ISP, and Internet bank accounts send me adverts for services I won't use, T&C updates, statements, government-mandated tax paperwork that is also plainly available for printing right on their web site, etc. etc.

      My local council, local political parties & local religious/ charitable groups stick pieces of paper through my door every week or so, which I throw straight into the recycling pile. None of these entities is interested in "opt out", let alone "opt in", because they feel that their message is so important that everyone must receive it.

      Central government sends me democratic materials (never seen a candidate I could vote for in good conscience), tax demands and frivolous nonsense about terrorism.

      My local advertising supported newspaper also comes through the door at irregular intervals. Now this I could probably stop, but I'm a busy man and there's no obvious mechanism. Who do I call? Do I have to physically confront the delivery person?

      My local health authority notifies me of my routine and not so routine appointments by 1st class mail, even when the appointment will happen before the postman can deliver the letter.

      My educational establishment sends almost everything through the post, even after I went to check that yes, they had noticed I provided an email address and selected "Where possible use email instead of regular postal delivery" on my annual registration forms, which of course are also paper.

      Meanwhile in my job everything from expenses claims to delivery notices are laboriously printed out, signed, and then hand entered back into the computer. Why? Search me.

      Every piece of hardware I purchase comes with a paper manual, which invariably says "Insert CD, click on the PDF" in 26 languages, and a booklet twice as thick full of legal disclaimers, government mandated warnings, etc. apparently because lawyers still think unread paper is better than unread PDFs in court. I keep all this stuff in a cardboard box for a year or two, then throw it out. It makes for amusing lunchtime reading "(This product is not suitable for use in Papua New Guinea)" but is otherwise useless.

      Now you're wondering about my actual work, right? But my work is IPv6 research. The work to be done is agreed by email. It takes place on the network. We disseminate results using a web site. Our "deliverables" are PDF documents or software packages. So there's no paper, at least on my desk. I clearly recall the last time I printed something, it was a poster for a conference. If we could afford a high resolution LCD projector that didn't weigh anything I'd have used that instead.

      Still, it is getting better. Just very, very slowly.

    6. Re:Paperless office... by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      Hey, I worked in data entry for years...

      All of the orders (~90%) were entered on computers where they were collected on "supervisor" machines and printed out to be entered into another computer.

      Now, I know that it doesn't make sense at first but it did in the long run. You can't have the sales people entering orders into the AS/400 when they can barely work 3 keys on the keyboard. Plus, a human needs to get involved and make sure all the address information was correct as it may have been 20 years since an update (or longer).

      555-1212 may have been the number to 123 Main St. 50 years ago but now 456 Maple Ave. has that number....

    7. Re:Paperless office... by rtaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the dirty little secret is that paper recycling is actually WORSE for the environment than harvesting newgrowth, but nobody wants to believe that in the face of the facts (which I haven't linked to here).

      I would love to see them. I know that the local recycling program for paper saves about $60 per ton over standard disposal techniques despite having higher expenses. The reason is that recyclers are buying up the paper for more than the difference in costs (landfill vs. recycling program -- sorting for recycling is not cheap).

      I suppose my question would be why are they buying used paper for the purpose of recycling it, when they could simply get regular ol' trees?

      Somewhere along the line there is must be a significant energy or manpower expense.

      I would place my bets that the studies you did not refer to don't include the full trail -- like shipping of the materials hundreds of kilometers.

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    8. Re:Paperless office... by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Have you ever used TeX/LaTeX for equations?

    9. Re:Paperless office... by jyoull · · Score: 1

      I agree with your conclusion (people use paper) but not with the way you arrived there (people are creatures of habit and they use paper as a matter of habit).

      People who don't know anything about process analysis often leave old inefficiencies in processes even when those processes are updated.

      But there's more to the story.

      People who DO know something about process analysis have a not-awesome record of missing details when trying to "streamline" an ages-old process. Now, I am all for cleaning things up, but what you are seeing is not habit but a pragmatic solution that's quite possibly keeping the company alive until someone who's got his act together comes along to understand everything that must be understood before all those extra piles of paper can truly be removed from the process without breaking something.

      Don't blame the end-users for these sorts of things. They aren't the unthinking, habit-driven, Luddite bumpkins they're often made out to be. Look higher up the chain of authority for the sources of excees paper and bad process (not that they'd admit to it).

    10. Re:Paperless office... by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      Have you ever used TeX/LaTeX for equations?

      Can't stand them. (yeah, all the astronomers I know are going to come and kill me now, but I think most of them know my aversion)

      For note taking they're not as fast as pencil and paper, and I really prefer to read equations in the normal 2-D equation format. I've used them occasionally for papers.

      When a friend was writing her thesis, she was going nuts trying to lay out large numbers of enormous equations in LaTex. She shelled out for Expressionist, which can generate output for Word or LaTeX, and knocked off about 80 really ugly equations in a day or two, with a low error rate. I didn't have nearly as many, or nearly as gnarly, and I can't remember if I used Mathtype or Expressionist.

    11. Re:Paperless office... by kryptkpr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Penn & Teller - Bullshit

      Season 2, Episode 5 (#18 on the above linked page) - Recycling

      Available on your p2p network of choice.

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    12. Re:Paperless office... by coolsoldier · · Score: 1

      I agree that an office without paper will never happen. But offices today use far more paper than is needed

      I work in an office that decided that they wanted to do "paperless" faxes a few years ago. Their solution was to receive faxes on paper, scan them into the computer, and then shred the paper copies. A realistic goal would be to eliminate that kind of egregious waste of paper -- not to eliminate paper entirely.

      This kind of device is going about it all wrong. We should not be trying to replace post-it notes and legal pads -- but we can (and should) stop using paper for things existing technology already does.

    13. Re:Paperless office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once oil gets too expensive to extract, plastic can join that list too.

      Perhaps you meant environmently "expensive" but if not, be careful, the price of a commodity is not always a good reflection of its environmental impact. Something can be cheap but bad for the environment, while something else can be expensive yet environmently-friendly.

    14. Re:Paperless office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah yes but with paper and pen someone cant remotely steal your ideas. So I think we need to convince business people to put thier prized documents on something thats easy to copy from remotely. And while were at it lets get everyone to bank on thier computer so we can steal that too. Oh, I know, how about online voting so we can fix elections by hacking them. mmm what else. Oh I know lets try to connect everything you own to a computer thats networked so everyone can access it.

    15. Re:Paperless office... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it will be a perfect utopian society everyone can acccess everyones stuff. There wont be such a thing as ownership.

    16. Re:Paperless office... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      I never use paper. I AM in the paperless office (atleast my desk). You will not see large piles of paper on my desk. infact if there is paper on my desk, it's because one the follwing has happened:
      • I need to test the print CSS file on a website
      • Someone from the 19th century has handed me a printout of a screenshot (which automaticly means it gets the lowest priority from me).
      • Someone insists that I print something out for a meeting, which ends up not being used.
      While most people in my office seem to make a walk to the priniter once a day. I may do so once every six months.

      So, why am I capable of not pressing CTRL + P all the time? Because I've used a computer since I was 10. In other words. I'm not someone who used to do everything in paper.
      Give it another 50 years--when all the older generation has passed on--and I think you will start to see paperless offices more oftern.

      As for the enviroment. It will of course benifit from the paperless office, because although computers can replace paper, paper can't replace computers. So computers, and their environmental problems will always exist, paper or not.

    17. Re:Paperless office... by nanojath · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, one thing you can bank on is that a person who will make a sort of black and white, blanket statement about certain things (i.e. paper recycling is worse for the environment than harvesting new growth) is guaranteed to be a person who doesn't know shit about it. Some people are incapable of discerning the differnece between a political, rhetorical argument and a rational, scientific one. Do I know shit about it? A little - a past job was research as a chemist into alternative materials for a think tank based in Washington, they did work on both paper and recycling.

      These questions are REALLY complicated. Even the statement paper recycling is actually WORSE for the environment displays a profound depth of ignorance in its tacit assumption that what is "good" or "bad" for the environment is easily measured. Consumes more or less energy? Uses more or less chemicals? Uses more or less toxic/persistant/bioavailable chemicals? What's the downstream net pollution? What is the lifecycle net environmental impact of a tree - or cutting one down? Some of these questions are simple to answer, some are really complicated, maybe impossible at our current levels of knowledge. What's the point of arguing it on the slash, tho? Some dip makes a totally unsupported statement, gets modded up informative? Note to kids: if you're working on a research paper, better hit some primary sources.

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    18. Re:Paperless office... by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      From a brief read, this show seems to be heavily based on the "8 myths of recycling" document.

      The cost issue, for the city of Toronto (Canada), for paper recycling is far below our landfill disposal costs -- due mostly to having a higher recovery rate than the "Myths" document indicates.

      Toronto's (2.5Million canadians) net expenses for landfill are approx $87CDN per ton and blue boxes (basic recycling) is around $54CDN per ton in 1998. In 2004, it's $117 per ton for landfill, and $195 per ton recycling with recovery of approx. $115 per ton. (So $117 vs $80).

      It should be noted that Toronto does not have a local landfill. Our options are all hundreds of kilometers away -- likewise bringing in paper would need to be transported tens of hundreds kilometers.

      Due to shipping, recycling paper that is already in the area becomes profitable for the city -- or, rather, less of a subsidy than landfill.

      Our green bin (composting) project on the other hand is anything but cheap at the moment.

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    19. Re:Paperless office... by kryptkpr · · Score: 1

      Not to say that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for these numbers? I'm in Hamilton, so I would imagine the situation in my city to be just about the same.

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    20. Re:Paperless office... by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      Sure.. I grabbed them from recent news published after a Kerry's remarks about closing the border. Unfortunately, they're now "for pay" articles at Globe and Mail (around $5) (Try Google news)

      This link shows the garbage collection fee and "average" recycling costs. The $135 per ton (after recovery) is an average of the paper and metals (which is about $85 per ton) through to the recent introduction of organics (composting) at around $200 per ton.

      You best bet is to call or email someone from Jane Pitfields office and ask them about the expenses involved. They'll be able to give you all of the gory details.

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  16. Doomed to fail by InternationalCow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For note taking (and book reading, by the way), we humans like something that falls within the realm of experiences that we evolved to deal with. Scratching with a pen on paper, which generates tactile stimuli and visual ones, seems to fit the bill nicely since we all are apt to do this (Post-It notes, anyone?). So, until we have e-paper that can be maltreated just like r-paper (real paper) with an e-pen that can be handled like an r-pen, all digital note taking technologies are going to fail. It should be clear by now that it is almost impossible to mould people into a particular technology. If you don't believe me, then why is you monitor full of post-it notes?

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    1. Re:Doomed to fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you don't believe me, then why is you monitor full of post-it notes?"

      Because my harddrive died last week and the one I'm using until a replacement arrives has just enough space for the OS and a browser.

      It just occured to me that aside from being misplaced, paper doesn't generally suffer spontaneous data loss.

    2. Re:Doomed to fail by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? I read all my books (that I am able to anyway) in e-book format. And my monitor isn't full of post-it notes. But even if it were, it's for the extra "screen space" that I can't get by using a computer. A good program that can be used with anything that could take the form of post-it notes without taking up intrusively taking up screen space would be good, but I haven't seen it.

  17. Correction by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    Electronics are "earth friendly"

    should read

    Electronics aren't "earth friendly"

    Sorry to correct myself, I swear I previewed... I guess if it looks right the first 3 times you look once more doen't help.

    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "once more doen't help"

      No, it doen't.

  18. re: Batteries For Your Pen And Paper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if the device worked perfectly, and the cost was in line with "pencil & paper," it still wouldn't help us approach the paperless office "nirvana." I've worked in a couple of hospitals now, both of which went through very expensive systems upgrades, the partial justification of which was to reduce reliance on paper. In both cases even more paper was generated than before.

    The problem is that patient records, billing records, purchase orders, etc., all need to be both safe and accessable. If the hard drive crashes, or the network goes down, staff is without the documentation they need to perform their duties. With a paper record at hand, they can continue to do their jobs, at least to some degree, regardless of the state of the primary, electronic, "paperless" system.

  19. Uh. Palm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just scribble on that for quick notes + diagrams. I bought a Zaurus as a tiny computer, and really like it, but my Palm [Pilot] is still my PDA.

  20. Paperless office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    As regards the paperless office, Brown and Duguid's book "The Social Life of Information" is very informative in this regard. It points out that there are many features of paper that have yet to be duplicated, let alone surpassed, by current paper replacements. Until we get all of the advantages of paper with none of the current disadvantages, the paperless office is still a distant dream.

  21. RFTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...before you spew crap.

    It doesn't even try to read your handwriting, it stores it as an image.

  22. flying cars? by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whats the killer app here? no-one has found a reason yet that a PDA is more useful than some paper, most people who even have PDAs only use them for games really, everyone stores their numbers on their phones and notes on paper. Stick a very easy input system on a phone (as easy as a pen), make it easy and free to send anywhere and people might just do it. a way of writing that feels so good you would rather use it than pen and paper, the recognition doesnt need to be perfect, but instead of converting it right there it could be converted and kept with the original notes - when you want to search for something you search the converted text - some of which will be wrong but hopefully enough to get the keywords, then you read the original handwriting on your very hi-res screen and if you want you can convert it and correct it properly.

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  23. 149 lb? by twoslice · · Score: 0

    gorilla on my back...

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  24. Digital Paper by Coryoth · · Score: 1

    I'd much rather wait the required time for proper digital paper - you know the stuff, they brand it variaously as eInk, and ePaper, and what have you, but it is decidedly different from LCD screens: for a start it uses reflected light like, you know, normal paper.

    It is, very slowly, coming to market. I think sony is releasing a device that uses it. Okay, it's an eBook reader and still a little on the clunky side (though still as slim as similar device using LCD), but it has the promise to (in the next 5 years or so) get a lot slimmer, and more efficient. What's more it just looks better.

    Once that sort of thing really hits the mass market, then using it as a notepad might have some real relevance.

    Jedidiah.

    1. Re:Digital Paper by Junta · · Score: 1

      The question is, though, how will input be? The problem with pen-input technology is less about the display, but mostly with the texture of the writing surface. When trying to avoid permament change (scratches) to something reusable, it has always been a dull instrument slipping on a relatively slick surface.

      With paper and pen/pencil, the sharp writing utensil combined with a surface that produces some friction against that pen or pencil provides a much more controllable feel, less prone to accidental slips as you write. The setup doesn't have to be designed with many rewrites in mind so the scratches and denting that occurs with writing comfortably are no problem.

      Now the eInk stuff is nice for eBook reading, but not much else (I think I'll prefer books still, where you don't have to worry about running out of battery and not being able to change to the next page.

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    2. Re:Digital Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now the eInk stuff is nice for eBook reading, but not much else (I think I'll prefer books still, where you don't have to worry about running out of battery and not being able to change to the next page.

      You need not worry about having battery life to make it to the next page. The Sony unit coming up is rated for 10,000 page turns on it's battery- the screens maintain their state without power being applied, making them great for a long life e-book reader. Unless you're speed reading 30 or 40 novels a day I think you'd be fine.

  25. Re:Please mod parent down, by wan-fu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hell, we don't even need that reason. He should be modded down just for his use of "paradigm shift"

  26. Re:Please mod parent down, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because he likes anime doesn't mean he likes kiddie porn. Oh wait, yes it does.

  27. old idea needs new innovation by mmmmmhotpants · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Digital paper and pens will not be practical until you can write a note on your office desk and it can effortlessly and instantly appear on your home kitchen fridge.

    These ideas of ubiquitous computing were postulated over 20 years ago (perhaps by Xerox?) and we are not much closer to making this a reality.

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  28. Want to see to future of paper? Check out Anoto by AdamInParadise · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here: http://www.anoto.com/

    Their concept will blow your mind. Basically the best integration between traditional paper and pens, computers and the Internet.

    Wired (the magazine, not the website) ran an article about them a few years ago. You can read it here: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.04/anoto.html ?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=

    Regards,
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  29. Re:Please mod parent down, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next time take better care of the pictures you take of yourself.

  30. Pen and Paper Luxuary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting the little gits around here to use a pen and paper would be an improvement. The little rascles prefer a spray can and wall.

  31. Fountain Pen still my choice by mikewas · · Score: 1
    I'll stick with a real pen. I'm at the New York City Pen Show right now.

    Most of my work is via keyboard, PDA entries on a touchscreen, but for taking notes a fountain pen is still the best. A gentle grip, minimal pressure, light weight, I can take notes rapidly and for extended periods with without fatigue.

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    1. Re:Fountain Pen still my choice by DissidentHere · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you, a fountain pen is the best writing/note taking instrument. Coworkers and others look at me funny for using something as 'archaic' as a fountain pen. But at the end of a 4 hour meeting, I'm the only one without a hand cramp.

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    2. Re:Fountain Pen still my choice by hughk · · Score: 1

      Not until you fly. The drop in cabin pressure can trigger unfortunate leaks, even on expensive pens.

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    3. Re:Fountain Pen still my choice by mikewas · · Score: 1
      Yes, some pens aren't good fliers. Most pens do fine, especially if their fully filled before you start travelling.

      Expensive doesn't mean good. Get an inexpensive Pelikan, about $20.

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    4. Re:Fountain Pen still my choice by hughk · · Score: 1

      I have a Mont Blanc and it doesn't fly well. This is why I use a Mont Blanc ball-point (also a good pen) more.

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  32. Differences between this and a pda... by pantherace · · Score: 1
    1) This is pressure sensitive. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have all that great a precision.

    2) Requires Windows XP & Office to be used. That PDA is usable by itself, it doesn't need to be hooked into things to be useful.

    Having said that, if they managed to get it to be used say like for photoshop/gimp/illistrator etc. I suspect this would be a hit with artists. Tablets are nice, however, they don't have the same type of feedback that pen & paper do. Because a lot of artsts I know will draw it on paper, then scan it in, and clean it up, and color if needed. Having something like this might allow them to import it easier.

  33. I don't see a bridge tech here... by Chuqmystr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I just don't get this idea at all. It's been tried a few times - other posters mentioned specifics and I've seen the products as well and imediately lost interest when I figured it out.

    In the article he writes Pegasus thinks they've found a bridging technolgy or something to that effect. I've seen similar writtings in the market spins of other similar products. All I see is someone getting tired of clipping the little reader on their notepad/having to carry around another gizmo/screwing around with inevitably buggy winbloze only software, loosing the reader in the dark recesses of their desk drawer and then using the fancy reader/ink pen on conventional stickies, legal pads and Franklins. All I see this ultimately doing is driving away more would-be converts. I hate this family of devices and I've never even played with one. As for importing hand written or drawn works we've had plenty of ways to do that for some time now. That's the way to market these things. Take a look at Nokia's Bluetooth pen. I read about it some time ago and if memory serves me right that's the spin they used. And yes, I'm too lazy to link ;-)

    My suggestions? Well, the writter already listed some and I'm preaching to the choir. Perhaps if I was writting this with some snazy digital pen... Instant on. NO BOOT TIME! most PDA's have this already fairly well. Perhaps putting something in there wherein the PDA "knows" you want to just start jotting things down. I.E. when the status comes near the screen the unit wakes up and an input panel opens. I'd say the UI should allow for immediate input, preferably via fast, accurate and trainable handwritting recognition, and have say a small toolbar at the bottom. One would first jot down whatever it was and then hit the tool to file it under, eg contact, freehand/drawing, etc. Let's take that one step further and start parsing that input once the app is started so that say if it was a contact the app could try and sort it out. Perl anyone? Who wants to donate one of those new Zauri to me so I can get started hacking this together? ;-)

    Other things I would do would be to keep the instant-on app launching buttons Palm has. That's truly useful. Those should also launch straight into the app screen and not the jot screen I mentioned. More cellphone integration or better yet let's retry the cellphone module, a.k.a Visor springboard. SDIO GSM/CDMA phonecard with a BT headset anyone? I like that new S/E headset with the small cord and lapel clip display. How about just getting more simple cellphones out there with BT or WiFi and getting the nice PDA's with both below that $450 barrier? $299 seems better and just loose some of the fat. And would someone please get it into M$'s head that a PDA UI need NOT look and work like fscking Windows? Clicking down three to five layers to get to a hand writting app is just fucking stupid. Finally, if the physical pen tip to screen interface could be made better that would help. If someone would come up with the just right combination of screen surface and pen tip that would help. I'd also bet that focusing more on using landscape orientation for handwritting and perhaps some well thought out auto-scrolling as one writes on the virtual paper might be a nice touch. Once again, send me that Linuxed-up Zaurus you don't really need and I'll get right to work on it ;-)

  34. Cheap PDA problem ... by hattig · · Score: 1

    They suck for note taking.

    I'm sure that higher end PDAs with high-res screens and accurate digitisers are way better these days, but based on my old Palm IIIc using it to take notes is a big no-no.

    The limited resolution compared to pen and paper for a start. Unless you write big all you'll get is a pixelly mess. Coupled with terrible accuracy with the touch screen and you get a mess even if you try to write carefully and large. Of course, if you write large, then you can't write the message in the area you want to write it in.

    A pad of post it notes is simply a better option for most quick notes. If some need to be on the computer, spend the minute typing it into your preferred notes application.

  35. Bluetooth pen by bobthemuse · · Score: 1

    The author seems to think this is a neat idea, just a really poor implementation. For the cost, I'd rather not have to carry around a cell, PDA, this thing in my pockets.

    Now a pressure-sensitive bluetooth pen that could store data on a PDA or (gasp!) a cell phone, that's something I'd buy! Imagine just pulling out your pen, jotting some imaginary notes on the wall, chair, arm, etc (assuming ink portion is retractible) and clicking a button to store on your cell as an image. That would be slick.

  36. Somethings just can't be improved on... by jwcorder · · Score: 1
    There are a few inventions in this world that were perfect. The wheel, the broom, the light bulb, the pizza cutter. All of these items in my opinion are perfect inventions. You can make these products better by using let's same better filaments in the bulbs or hard steel in the pizza cutter but dramatically changing them does not work.

    The pen and paper is one of these items. It will be here long after my children are gone. The paper may not be made of wood or the pen use ink like today, but humans will always have a need to write down quick thoughts and notes until we are embedded with microprocessors at birth. IMHO anyway...

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  37. VPen by notwittyenough! · · Score: 1

    This VPen seems to be the technology in the new Logitech laser mouse put in a bluetooth enabled pen pen shaped thing. There has not been an update in the news or press release area since 2002. http://www.otmtech.com/vpen.asp

  38. Try this pen instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Logitech io Personal Digital Pen that uses Anoto's technology works mighty fine.

  39. You sir, are one sick sonofabitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who the hell get's all fired up about pens? Bah! Gimme a cheap Papermate Write Bros. pen, and I'm set. No fuss, no muss.

  40. People, Paper, and Computers Research by 0verdun · · Score: 2, Informative
    Given some of the comments in the thread thus far, I thought you all might be interested to know that some of us here at the University of Maryland's HCI lab have been researching how to embrace the cohabitation of paper and computers. Our philosophy is simple: there are times when paper is better, and there are times when computers are better; why not let users benefit from both without the tedium of transitioning between the two?

    We have been using the Anoto paper with a few of the digital pens (each with varying ease of use), and have created some useful systems in the process. Most notably:

    • François Guimbretière's home page, which has links to all of the Paper Augmented Digital Documents (PADD) papers.
    • ProofRite - A combination of a distributed PADD infrstructure and an extension to AbiWord. It allows for annotations to be incorporated into AbiWord documents, so that Tablet PC users may mark up their document on the screen. Further, users may print an AbiWord document, annotate it on Anoto paper, and have their strokes incorporated into the document.
    I have also made a prototype with which users may compose music on Anoto paper and have it automatically converted to a Finale file (a popular piece of composition software), or annotate a printed Finale file and incorporate them back into the file.

    The gap between paper and computers has existed for too long. With this research and the amazing new hardware, I personally believe we'll be seeing the gap close quickly.

    -Dave

  41. Lemme guess, they are BLACK?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the Negro hand is better suited to manipulating large items like basketballs and spray cans instead of a pen.

  42. Never understood by Comatose51 · · Score: 1

    Never understood the big deal with pen/pencils. Some people seem to think that once you can get the computer to act like a notepad, it will be magically easier to use. I've used Tablet PCs before. They're not all that useful. Most of the time, I just use them as a regular laptops. The whole using the pen thing is cool for about 10 minutes. Other than drawing, I would much rather type. Maybe it's because I started using the computer when I was 8 and am used to typing. Or maybe an improvement GUI would solve a lot of the problems.

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    1. Re:Never understood by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't write a 20 page paper with a pen, but its great for taking notes during meetings/class, jotting down ideas or something. Especially given that its often handy to add a little figure or make arrows.

      I haven't used a tablet PC, but it seems too large and clunky to be useful to me. PDA screen are too small, especially given that you need to write 2-3 times larger on the PDA screen for it to be readable than you would on paper.

      In my opinion, the real killer "ePaper" will be something thats large enough, thin, light and FLEXIBLE... in the literal sense. like a piece of paper. I don't think we have the technology to do anything like it yet

  43. That's because.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the fountain pen is limiting your abilty to write much, therefore your hand is rested, by default. It's the difference between walking and running.

  44. Horseless carriages! by argent · · Score: 1

    everyone stores their numbers on their phones and notes on paper

    I don't. I used to carry an address book and then later keep everything on my computer and print my phone numbers out (never stored them in the phone, phones aren't reliable... they have short battery lives, the software is controlled by the cellular company as often as not), kept notes on paper, had a wallet simply bulging with business cards.

    Now I carry a PDA, it's got a thousand memos and contacts, and even if it didn't do anything more than that it'd be worth it. But I've got a dozen novels, city maps, abbreviated versions of a dozen newspapers updated every time I sync, I don't need to be paying online charges for any of this...

    Yes, it's got a dozen games as well, but I don't play them nearly as often as I use the ever-growing and critical information on my PDA. I'm pulling it out all the time, making notes about everything: medication, work, people, shopping lists, things to look up when I have the leisure. The only thing I could think to add to it is voice transcription... I tried using the voice recorder, but I never got around to transcribing the recordings. I don't care if the transcription happened offline or in the background, but putting the words into text is key.

    If people just play games on them, maybe they have the wrong PDA?

  45. Worst of all... by KlausBreuer · · Score: 1

    ...is the fact that you need a highly specific piece of software to even be able to *use* it.

    And that is: MS Office XP. Let's not fight about MS or !MS, but the idea that you can only use a rather expensive, general-purpose hardware device if you use the latest version of an expensive (and in my eyes, not very useful) software product from another company is simply ridiculous.

    Oh, well.

    Next!

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  46. Re:Please mod parent down, by d474 · · Score: 1

    ***MODDERS***

    Please read the parent(AC) dustinbarbour was responding to. That AC comment said something about c.pr0n and dustin was simply calling the Anonymous Coward out on it.

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  47. CrossPad R.I.P. by N7DR · · Score: 1
    Several years ago, Cross (the pen people) had a thing called a CrossPad, which allowed one to write on an ordinary notepad but capture the digital image (or convert handwritten notes to text).

    I must be one of the few people who found this a tremendous piece of hardware, because they discontinued it after a while and the product is no longer supported. But it used a very comfortable pen, and wrote on ordinary notepads. The hardware, I thought, was extremely well done, and I found it a breeze to use.

    The problem was the software, which was written by IBM and left the distinct impression that it was little more than a demonstration-of-principle that should never have left the lab. Oddly enough, the handwriting-to-text portion was outstanding; I could write pages of notes and it would transform my handwriting to text with almost 100% accuracy. (One could always simply store the pages as images if one's handwriting wasn't neat.) BUT the software gave you no way to move things around easily, no way to file your pages nicely, in fact, no way to do much useful with your jottings at all once you had moved them on to your computer. And the software wasn't very stable, either.

    I kept waiting for a software upgrade, to bring the software up to a standard that was close to the quality of the hardware, but it never happened. I wish that Cross would resurrect this technology, but with some decent software behind it. But it'll never happen :-( I'm sure that the failure last time means that they're now convinced that there's no market for this kind of product.

  48. to go paperless .... by jdkane · · Score: 1
    Give me one good sheet of real electronic paper -- like 8.5 x 11 -- without a weighty battery pack hanging off the side -- something that is slightly malleable and can be placed on any semi-hard surface to be written upon. Let me easily fill up the page, touch the bottom corner with my pen to archive it / clear the screen so I can immediately continue writing the next page -- and let me easily virtually "flip" through my pages -- e.g. forward & back navigation (like flipping a real page) and maybe even a thumbnail view of all pages so I can touch one to go straight to it. Build in wireless connectivity so I can read my emails on it and send emails, do faxes, etc. and BAM -- that's when my office will be "paperless".

    I thought I would use my PDA for everything, and I did for the first 3 months, but then I started opting for paper for some things -- like quick sketches of ideas and plans -- and then I stopped reading books from my PDA because my eyesight was strained and I had to flip through several screens just to read a single real page.

    1. Re:to go paperless .... by majid_aldo · · Score: 1

      that would be a laptop

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  49. what about guys who write equations 90%of the time by Engineer+Andy · · Score: 1

    The things taht I write by hand at work tends to be equations, numbers and formulae. I produce literally lever arch folders full of hand written calcs (with loads of output from analysis programs as well), and I can't see any technology being able to reproduce the speed that I can jot down thoughts / sketches coming around any time soon.

    Plus, I need my calcs to be archivable and readable for at least 70 years (or however long the building remains standing), and it would be a brave man who would put money on whatever tech was used still working in 70 years. i know there are issues re paper and ink degrading but I don't think that would happen with pencil and paper in that time scale.

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  50. That pen looks awfully familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to burst everyone's rhetorical bubbles, but this is just a Seiko InkLink (which has unfortunately been discontinued) with some built-in memory in a MUCH larger unit. The InkLink is a nice piece of equipment, quite inobtrusive, and sold for about 100 dollars.

  51. This was a good try. by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1

    The IBM TransNote didn't sell well. Anyone here own one?

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  52. Take the simplest solution! by danimrich · · Score: 1

    If it can be done with pen and paper-why should we bother to do it electronically?
    If I would want my notes to be available electronically, I would take them on a PDA! But in fact, I don't, because I don't need them on the PC 99% of the time and if I need a particular one I just scan it.
    Everything the device promises can be done with today's means in a similarly effective way. Well, maybe it has some specialty applications that no one knows of...

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  53. InkLink by KB1GHC · · Score: 1

    There used to be a product called InkLink, where you clipped a reciever onto the top of a notepad, and wrote with a special pen, and it would be able to transfer everything you wrote into your PDA. (Kinda like NoteTaker) But the website of the manufacturer http://www.siibusinessproducts.com/ doesn't have it listed as a product anymore, but it was in my PDA's user manual as an accessory.

    and TablePC's are pretty cool.

    I think we are getting closer to a "paperless office", just look how much more we use email now.

    The problem is, theres no fast way to enter text but still have a small device.

  54. Re:149 GBP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's GBP not lb!

  55. How about, it's totally the wrong issue? by nanojath · · Score: 1

    Number one dumb thing about this is, handwritten notes are not even remotely the issue. I mean, I'm a notepad addict, I admit. Constantly have four or five legal pads going to keep track of things at work. So? Maybe I use half a dozen a month, maybe. Meantime, the office chews through about five times that weekly, pure waste, why? Wasteful printing, people who cannot negotiate an email or a spreadsheet unless it is printed out, people printing stuff and totally forgetting about it so it sits around for a few days before being tossed, people clumsily hitting the wrong toggle, causing some report robot to spew five hundred pages of useless data out, and being too lazy to torque their fat asses out of their chairs to go hit the cancel button somewhere around page fourteen (duh, there's a cancel button? okay, gettin' into pet peeves now). Saw this one yesterday - somebody took an online form, meant to be filled out and delivered electronically, printed it, filled it out by hand, and faxed it. For a while do to some dumb setup some people were printing a ridiculous and pointless cover sheet every single print job. Oh yeah, gotta call IT about that, get to that tomorrow, easy enough just to toss it. Oh, make a dozen copies of these powerpoint handouts, yeah so everybody at that meeting can doodle on them, write a couple of pointless points, and then toss them out within a couple days of the meeting. I mean, show of hands, how many find that too much paper on their desk is a problem?

    It's just too damn easy to generate paper, and people are lazy, and set in their ways. I think a probable and sad component is that making stuff into hard copy gives a false sense of productivity (that presentation may have been a bunch of malarky but everyone got a handout!) I bet almost any office could reduce it's paper use at least by half if it enforced strict policies to eliminate waste and curb questionable reproduction and printing. Yeah, show of hands, who wants to be in charge of that one?

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  56. Paperless lifestyle by ecloud · · Score: 1

    I still believe it's achievable. What's needed are rugged displays (not made of glass like LCDs) built into rugged, thin packages that are mostly display, without mechanical stuff that can break (buttons, knobs, slots, etc.). Like the PADDs on Star Trek. We keep getting closer but some of the technology doesn't quite exist yet. Also some good software is needed. Some of what's available for tablet PCs comes close. Of course it ought to be free software, and there should be a reusable library for certain features needed by pen-based apps which are rare and are considered advanced now but really are necessary for usability. I intend to work on it eventually.

    Once the technology becomes mature, the changes and upgrades need to be managed carefully so that old devices do not become obsolete. Planned obsolescence is what makes computers bad for the environment. The ultimate PADD should be built rugged enough to last decades, and as its processor becomes slow relative to the newest ones, it should be able to depend more on resources that are available on the network, so that it is still useable. (Past a certain point, the amount of speed and memory and resolution that a device has is going to dwarf most everyday 2D work, and the devices can be considered mature. We just aren't there yet.) The network protocols should not change too much; it must be very easy to share information between them. (For a while you could count on being able to send business cards via IR between Palms and phones etc. and that was very cool, but now that feature is getting left out of some newer devices, or replaced with things like Bluetooth, which is probably also ephemeral.) One appeal of paper is that you can have many sheets of it and spread them around, putting a lot of information within your field of view; but if the PADDs were also abundant, you could do the same thing; so there would be no reason to throw them out just because they are not the latest models. If all else fails you could put them on a shelf like books and they could participate in a distributed computing grid, until you need an extra display for something. At 1/4" thick they wouldn't constitute the kind of clutter that extra desktop PCs do now. And eventually even the homeless will be carrying them around and have internet access via ubiquitous free wireless networks.

    I don't think that printing books is so terrible for the environment, and can relate to those who say that they will never get past the need to read books on real paper, even as I imagine that they will really be mostly obsolete eventually. But a lot of paper sure gets wasted on temporary printouts of stuff at work, newspapers, and junk mail. If all of that got done electronically in a couple decades or so it would be a big improvement. The reasons that it hasn't IMO are lack of standards, and too much incompatibility and immaturity in the technology.

    BTW the idea in this article was already done at least once... remember the Cross digital pen? And there are a lot of varieties of digital whiteboards (some scan the board, some use ultrasound or optical methods to track the markers).

  57. We've gotten pretty close to the paperless office by ignavus · · Score: 1

    We've printed out so much garbage at our office that we have nearly run out of paper. Voila! The paperless office.

    Seriously, computers have made it so much easier to print, reprint, cut and paste, run off a copy of someone's slideshow full of clip-art, etc. No wonder demand for paper hasn't died out - it is easier than ever to fill a page and print it.

    Typing was hard work - so too writing all those pages by hand. And printed paper lasts longer than floppy disks. Ever seen a "bad sector" message from reading a piece of paper?

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  58. The Paperless Solution that Works by Hugenius · · Score: 1

    At the risk of being flamed... TABLET PC. If the idea is to reduce paper - to keep electronic copies - wow, is it ever the way to go. I'm a University student and I've just recently got a tablet - being a "mature" student, my experience at the different companies I've worked at (and for which, I've all used laptops) makes the Tablet's abilities overshadow the faster processors or gizmos I've seen in laptops. Over the past academic year (i.e. 8 months), I've accumulated over a bookshelf's (one shelf) worth of NOTES! It's crazy - all of them, written, one by one. Getting this will certainly reduce my paper-load, not to mention the back-breaking bag-load whilst travelling around campus. Granted, the laptop isn't the lightest to begin with - but I have notes - electronic and scanned (there's no escaping writing some things - like through homework or seminars) - with me all the time. I'm less likely to print out my notes as well - while I definitely favour paper over computer-screen, a tablet pc fits the way I read (letter-size), and its all centralized. Plus, the thing actually works. Kudos to the MS folks that thought of this. I can write, draw, convert-to-text... Translation's wonderful (I print when I write anyhow). There's a whole myriad of applications for this, and I haven't yet dug into the uses for technical material such as engineering blueprints.