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An Overview Of Present, Future of Music Technology

prostoalex writes "IEEE Spectrum magazine is running a feature article on the state of music and current digital formats. They point to an interesting phenomenon in the digital music world that Steve Jobs emphasized as well: for the first time in music history, the next big format was not about better quality (SACD and such) but about better portability (MP3). 'It was only five years ago that the music industry was facing a civil war over the next-generation disc-based music format -- the successor to the wildly successful CD. At that time, hardly anybody doubted that the music would be encoded optically on a round plastic disc the size of a CD.'"

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  1. Make no mistake by eddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All the future formats will be about replacing CDDA with "DRM".

    Oh, it will be marketed as being about increased audio-fidelity, but it's all about getting rid of those horrible "insecure" CDs.

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    1. Re:Make no mistake by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In a similar case, I already have seen DVD cases with words along the lines of, "Macrovision protected to ensure quality of the disc". Marketing DRM towards fidelity has already started.

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    2. Re:Make no mistake by rizzo420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but that's sort of true... they are generally camera copies. also screeners tend to be lower quality as well, so a copy of a screener would be lower quality than what you'd buy in a store. and camera copies are only as good as the camera and the dude holding it.

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  2. and also... by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...lots of telcos payd huge license fees for 3G because that would be the next big thing... Thats why I have such unshakeable confidence in Gartner and such, when they predict the future in, say, 10 years :-)

  3. SACD vs MP3 by valisk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whilst working for a UK Hi-Fi outlet in their engineering department, I have come across a number of players, particularly Sony, which are capable of playing SACD, but I have not noticed any growth in the number of SACD discs available to purchase, it is to all intents and purposes a dead format. MP3 on the other hand is big and getting bigger, in the past four months the number of MP3 players we see passing through our hands has quadroupled. As the article points out, the demand for wifi connections to these devices is also increasing. I fully expect to see the most flexible devices take the lions share of the market, but no doubt the crippled Sony player will have its share of adherents too.

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    1. Re:SACD vs MP3 by hype7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And this is a real shame, because technology is moving forward but the mediums are moving backwards.

      The two aren't mutually exclusive. Some people want portability, and that's fine, but what I want is a high quality update of the CD; with it's quality, maybe with more channels, and with the ability to scale it down *myself* if I want to take it with me on an iPod or such. Give me high quality, no DRM, and I'll work out what I want to do with, thanks very much. Oh, and I will pay for it, if it's DRM free, because that means it's portable to me (as well as being high quality). I have a rack of about 500 CDs sitting here beside me as a testament to that.

      And this isn't about digital files. Digital files could be great, if they were decent quality. I'd buy lossless versions of the digital masters by the truckload if I could... but not versions that are worse than the CDs I can already buy (128kbps typical online music store vs CDs 1411kbps).

      Anyway, I think the main reason that the MP3 is popular is not because it's just portable, but because of that portability it's easy to pirate. Listening to music on portable music devices is fine, but when you stick a 128kB MP3 on a decent hi-fi, or in a car, it sounds like crap. Until they provide us with something more compelling than free (but crap quality), they're going to have a big piracy problem (as opposed to a small one).

      But the record companies are going to learn one way or another. If what they put out costs the same, but in every other regard is a backwards step, there are going to be a lot of people throw up their hands in disgust and look for something better. Or at least different.

      I (we) don't just want portability, we want fidelity. MP3 and co do not provide that. They'll only get so far in the market without taking that into account.

      -- james

    2. Re:SACD vs MP3 by valisk · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think that you are right in that respect.

      128kbps MP3s have noticible artifacts when I play them back through my Nakamichi AV-8 amp + Mordaunt-Short speakers, that simply aren't noticible when played through an iPods headphones.
      Variable bit rate encoding helps a lot here.

      Makes me wonder why given all the hulabuloo about 'Digital is Forever' that Valenti and his morons trumpet, they persist in offering 128kbps DRMed audio from their download sites.

      I guess they simply want this distribution method to fail.

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    3. Re:SACD vs MP3 by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How about this for a theory - that for most non-Hi-Fi types (IE about 90% of the population), they just don't have the gear to get any benefit from SACD (like the amps/speakers).

      For many people, music has become more like a "soundtrack" to their lives. Things like personal stereos, computer CD players and car cassette/cd increased the market for music because people would not have to sit down to listen, but could have it around them. However, the equipment for most people generally has low quality amplification.

      In all these, cases though, portability of the musical content will be vital. I don't want to buy a CD for my audio system, another format for my car use, and another for my PC.

    4. Re:SACD vs MP3 by abborren · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Which encoder you choose greatly impacts the quality of the resulting MP3s. My favourite general-purpose is LAME. When going for high bitrates i choose BladeEnc.

      IMHO around 128 kbps with lame is where it gets diffcult to tell the difference in an ABX test.

      I use OGG a lot, too. It is pretty good.

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    5. Re:SACD vs MP3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well it is a pity to see you using this "piracy" language. Nobody owns music and nobody should make another person feel bad for wanting to listen to music. It's a real shame you would pin a criminal label on people for listening to music. I supposed reading a book in a library is a form of asault?
      If commercial artists don't get millions of dollars for cranking out commercial crap, that's a real heartbreaker. If I want to listen to their crap for free, well good for me. This is the liberating nature of technology. The supermarketed stars had their day. Now it's time for the people who aren't into music for the money to have a turn. If the superstars want to play, then good for them. This isn't exclusionary, this is embracing music for everyone rich and poor and that's the right thing and a good thing and you have no reason to call people names over it.
      But I would agree that portablitity would most likely only be a priority to Steve Jobs since he's so heavily invested in his portable player.

    6. Re:SACD vs MP3 by Otto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      --r3mix is way deprecated. If you're using the latest LAME, you should be using --alt-preset standard instead of --r3mix. You can use extreme or insane if you want, but it's unlikely you'll be able to ABX any actual differences between those and standard.

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  4. Bah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    128kbps outta be enough for anybody....

  5. only that.. by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    5 years ago mp3 was already an avalanche and making the same to movies was just around the corner.

    cd is good enough for store sold, holds an unit of music riaa is willing to sell and on just about any consumer system cd itself isn't at fault but the crappy speaker/amplifier used to play it.

    it's going to be hard to convince people to switch to a 'better' format when cd really sounds good enough, is already widely spread, and people have cd players everywhere.

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    1. Re:only that.. by SnowZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention you have to convince them why they need to buy their music collection again, just to get it on a different format (see CD vs. vinyl).

    2. Re:only that.. by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought DivX already was, at least in the sense that it saved a lot of space while retaining quite a bit of quality and is widely used as a format for sharing movies.

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  6. Portability... And security by KitFox · · Score: 5, Interesting
    People want to take their music everywhere, and get it fast. So they want portability, internet downloads, etc. But the folks with the product want a business model that makes a lot of money, so any way they can enforce anything that complicates copying, porting, or anything else will be on their To Do List.

    So I end up wondering... With the business they want, and with self-destructing DVD's already a common thing, plus time-limited DRM's, how long until we are reduced to the age of "renting" everything... even that which we purchase fully?

    And then, on another front, how long before people start realizing that if people just want to hear the music, Digital-Analog-Digital conversion completely strips DRM... Then how long before some crazy laws come out that make that illegal, and anything that can "Facilitate" such functions illegal... so no computers will have line in anymore, and posession of microphones will result in a still fine and jail term?

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    1. Re:Portability... And security by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 5, Funny
      how long until we are reduced to the age of "renting" everything... even that which we purchase fully?

      Just returned my rented steak, fries and salad back to nature. Thank you.

    2. Re:Portability... And security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nahh... It's not really about forcing everyone to rent all the entertainment. It's about forcing CONTENT CREATORS to go through the traditional channels. Ie: Those pesky "indie" bands will be forced to go through a record company in order to sell music on cd, because all the cd players are made to block non-authorized content.

  7. What about cassettes? by Fex303 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...for the first time in music history, the next big format was not about better quality (SACD and such) but about better portability (MP3).

    Um... Wasn't that the point of cassette tapes? They were a dominant format for a while and the reason they replaced vinyl was their portability and robustness (maybe play-time, too.) Certainly it wasn't about sound quality.

    On another note, why does MP3 have to replace CD? For my money, I really don't think that there's any likelihood that'll happen. CDs are simple to use, store enough data, are lossless, and come with pretty packaging. All good things. I can't see why there can't be two parallel distribution systems.

    1. Re:What about cassettes? by klang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many albums are still available on vinyl, cd and cassette ... some even in one or several digitally encoded (reduced) form. (several parallel distribution systems have existed for the last 15-20 years)

      Going from vinyl to cd's you had to buy the cd, because you couldn't transfer an album you already had... fine, for The Industry. CD's are not lossless compared with vinyl, it's still a digital format whereas vinyl is basicically analog..

      Now, people are encoding their cd collections without the help of anybody and The Industry is not getting a second sale .. no wonder they are pissed.

      The way things are going the walkman generation will be moving to iPods or similar. 10.000 songs at 128kbs or 5000 at 256 kbs .. the way harddisk space is going, quality will go up leaving the number of songs at roughly the same spot ..

    2. Re:What about cassettes? by madfgurtbn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      CD's are not lossless compared with vinyl, it's still a digital format whereas vinyl is basicically analog..

      I am not a sound engineer, but LP's were pretty noisy and had much less dynamic range than cd's. Different types of loss, but still a loss. Think of the sound you would hear as the needle rode in the groove before the music started. That sound was always there. There were many other quality issues with LP's, so I gladly switched to cd. It was a night and day difference in sound and convenience.

      I know there are LP zealots out there who love the warm rich tones of vinyl, but I for one welcome our cd overlords. LP's sucked.

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    3. Re:What about cassettes? by LeaInShadow · · Score: 2, Informative

      actually a good LP has more dynamic range then a CD. If you take care of it well, and use a good needle, it will help take care of some of the audio blemishes that you hear. Yes there is noise, but it doesn't have to be as bad as the stereotype. anyhoo....

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    4. Re:What about cassettes? by madfgurtbn · · Score: 3, Informative



      From: http://georgegraham.com/compress.html

      In 1982-83 when compact discs were introduced, it was like an epiphany for us audio folks. For the first time, consumers could purchase a recording in a medium whose dynamic range exceeded that of $20,000 professional tape machines. Now I know that there are vinyl-philes who still swear that LPs sound better than CDs. But right now I'm talking about signal-to-noise ratio and dynamic range. Putting aside the arguments about the analogue digital conversion process, I don't think anyone can make a convincing case that an LP (or a cassette for that matter) has a dynamic range that comes within 20 db of that available on a CD.



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    5. Re:What about cassettes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      But CDs are lossless compared to vinyl *as your ears can hear it*. They are sampled at 44100 Hz, which is more than twice the top frequency of the ears of all but a few adults. And it is proven that as long as the sample frequency is at least twice the actual frequency, *you cannot hear the difference*. They might not be lossless in some abstract length, but as far as being listened to by humans is concerned, cds are lossless.

    6. Re:What about cassettes? by zoeblade · · Score: 3, Insightful

      CD's are not lossless compared with vinyl

      OK, that's not what lossless means in this context. Technically every format is lossy compared to the original source because any recording is inferior to actually being next to whatever's making the original sound. Microphones aren't perfect. Headphones, speakers and even studio monitors aren't perfect. Let alone the recording formats.

      In this context, lossless means that when you transfer a clip of audio (or video for that matter) from one format to another, the two versions of that clip are completely identical. As far as I know, this is impossible with all analogue formats.

      If you copy a twelve track master tape of an album onto a record or a CD, it will lose some of its fidelity. If you copy a record to tape or a CD to tape, it will lose fidelity.

      This is the important part: transferring one digital copy of a file to another. Encoding a CD audio track or .wav or .aiff file to .mp3 or Ogg Vorbis is lossy, because cunning trickery is used to get rid of all the parts of the sound that most human beings can't hear. FLAC and Shorten, however, are lossless because they preserve the data exactly.

      For example, try this on a *nix machine:

      flac --best blah.wav
      flac -d blah.flac -o blah2.wav
      cmp blah.wav blah2.wav

      The first line encodes a wave file losslessly. The second line decodes it. The third line compares the two. They are identical.

      This is useful for several reasons. None of the reasons are how good it sounds; Ogg Vorbis quality three can probably convince most people (I know I can't tell the difference between that and the original audio). However, say you want to encode your CD collection to mp3, and then a year later you want to encode it to Ogg Vorbis instead. Transcoding (that is, transferring a file from one lossy format to another) sounds terrible. It's best to keep a lossless copy of your songs so that if you change your mind about the lossy format to listen to them in, you can automate the process.

      Another, less likely, advantage is this: you can use steganography to hide data in wave files (steghide does this, for example). Losslessly compressed wave files retain this hidden data. Now you can stash your porn or ROMs where no one will think of looking, and even keep a backup on a P2P client.

    7. Re:What about cassettes? by noodler · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Technically every format is lossy compared to the original source "

      hmm., that's not true for any music that does not involve recording an analogue source.,

      i'm an electronic music composer and all my sources are already digital.,

      i can savely say that the production process from my studio to a CD is pretty much totaly lossless.

      there is of course some processing involved along the way but this is both intentional and enhancing so i would not consider that lossy.,

  8. MPEG AAC != Dolby AC-2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a technical matter, I just wanted to clarify the error in the article, when the author states: "When people say "AAC" they usually really mean AC-2. Based primarily on adaptive delta modulation technology as refined by Dolby Laboratories, AC-2 was developed for professional audio transmission..." AAC and AC-2 are completely different algorithms. Dolby did develop AC-2 on it's own. Dolby later worked jointly with AT&T/Sony/FhG on developing AAC, which shares some similarities to MP3, but uses improved filterbanks and entropy codes (among other improvements).

  9. MP3 vs the rest: Is file size really an issue? by Simon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There seems to be an assumption by the technologists and music industry that people are dying for a better format to replace MP3. Better quality, smaller file sizes. I don't believe that is so.

    Filesize: But when a new computer comes with a 200Gb harddrive do most people these days even care that MP3 maybe isn't the most effective compression algorithm? I mean, you've got plenty for space so who cares if the typical music collection is 5Gb or 10Gb?

    Quality: Most people are happy with CD quality. 192Kb MP3 pretty much gives you that quality. Most people are more than happy with MP3, especially on a portable device where listen conditions are 'suboptimal' shall we say.

    Portablity vs DRM: This is the killer feature of digital music. The music industry wants to stop it, for everyone else it is all about being able to move music around. This is the one 'feature' that people do not want to see go.

    What I've trying to say here is that people are more than happy with MP3 and the 'problems' with MP3 really aren't an issue for the majority of people, while these replacement formats kill the one feature that people really care about.

    Good luck marketing your new formats, music industry. You'll need it!

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    1. Re:MP3 vs the rest: Is file size really an issue? by hype7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I completely agree with your identification of the issues, with the exception that you've left off price. You've applied your own standing to those issues, which is fair enough, but not everyone agrees with you.

      I don't mean to be the smelly hairy audiophile (anyway, I'm not) but the 192Kb MP3s that you refer to suck as soon as you're not listening to them on those shitty iPod headphones.

      Like many other college students, I've invested a bit in a decent hi-fi (as much as I could afford) that has decent components in it. My mother can pick the difference between MP3s at less than 192kbps and a CD. I have a few demo SACDs and DVD-As (not going to buy many because I can't put them into iTunes) and the difference between these and CDs is unbelievable.

      I am willing to pay more for good quality and no DRM. The RIAA is only interested in offering a wide range of poorly-formatted songs (i.e. put on AAC/MP3/WMA, etc) or a very narrow range of well formatted songs (i.e. put on DVD-A or SACD) but all of them, every last one, has DRM. So I'm buying CDs, but less of them, because I'm becoming disillusioned with the whole situation...

      So, as someone who is one of their customers and who has spent a lot of money on their products, I'm sick of this situation. I want their product, but I don't want to be assumed to be a criminal. Yes, I'll probably let my sister copy my songs but that's never going to stop. It's always been the case, and always will be, no matter what stupid DRM you put on the product. I'll strip, fucking sue me.

      I might sample a few songs online but I go and buy the CD. The quality is better, and it saves the hastle of going through and finding the songs. It's great for discovery but no good for getting a lot of what you want.

      Surely these overpaid fuckers at the RIAA can find a business model in there somewhere. They have a product I want, I want to give them money, but I don't want to be told how it is acceptable for me to use their product.

      -- james

    2. Re:MP3 vs the rest: Is file size really an issue? by damiam · · Score: 2, Informative
      I don't mean to be the smelly hairy audiophile (anyway, I'm not) but the 192Kb MP3s that you refer to suck as soon as you're not listening to them on those shitty iPod headphones.

      Maybe to you. I have some decent headphones (Sennheiser HD 497) and I can't tell the difference between CDs and lame --alt-preset-standard (VBR, about 192kbps). I'd say most people are in the same boat.

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  10. Is DRM Necessary? by plasticmillion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's interesting that the article parrots conventional wisdom by presenting ubiquitous DRM as inevitable, rather than one possible future. Personally I think that DRM may end up a lot less widespread than most people expect.

    The premise that we can't do without DRM is based on a couple of unfounded assumptions. One is that people will always avoid paying if they can. This has already been proven wrong by the success of iTunes Store (and to a lesser extent competiting offering), despite the fact that there are plenty of sources of free music on the internet (especially P2P software like Kazaa and eMule). The second is that DRM actually works; actually there have been convincing arguments that this will never work, especially considering the fact that a D->A->D conversion will produce very good results (probably as good as 128 bit MP3) and is basically impossible to prevent.

    Then consider how much of a turnoff DRM is for customers. I think a good analogy is the early software industry. It used to be that floppy disks were crippled with "copy protection" technology, and a lot of software required the use of a hardware dongle. Nowadays these approaches have gone the way of the dinosaur and software companies tend to rely on much, much lighter weight protection like a simple license code. The reason is that copy protection was more likely to deter well-meaning novice users than hardened hackers, resulting in reduced sales. The software industry eventually realized that the right price points and distribution mechanisms were going to raise their revenues and profits a lot more than these "protections".

    To me it seems logical that the music industry will eventually go the same route, even if it means that today's leading players will be dethroned by more forward-looking challengers. They're only clinging to DRM now because they are terrified of cannibalizing their existing revenue streams. This might work for a while but history suggests that they can't hold back the tide of technology forever.

    1. Re:Is DRM Necessary? by e6003 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well said - I agree completely. I think it's very interesting to note that, despite the paranoia here on /. about DRM "slipping in the back door" because uneducated Joe Public will "just accept it", the evidence is that this just isn't happening. I don't think it's a coincidence that the market leader in "legal" music downloads (iTunes Music Store) is also the one with the least restrictive DRM. A lot of the pessimism is starting to be misplaced I think - "Joe Public" knows damn well that change is in the air for the music business (even if they can't put their finger on why - improved communications == easier copying == no need for specialist distributors of music) and they also figure that DRM is likely to stop them doing what they want with their music. And sensibly, they aren't buying the devices that the consumer electronics companies (under pressure from the RIAA) want to sell them - devices crippled with DRM that let you do LESS with the music you've bought! I also don't think it's a coincidence that the market leader in portable music devices (the iPod) is one that primarily supports a completely unencumbered music format (MP3). Despite the hype about being the "Walkman for the 21st century" the offerings from Sony that insist on burdensome conversion to ATRAC, and harsh DRM, are nowhere - for this exact reason.

      I also find it instructive, whenever a music industry lapdog or article starts lauding "copy protection" (as this article does) to mentally substitute the phrase "business model protection" because that's what it's all about (protecting rights to exclusive distribution of music). But there's no doubt in my mind that consumers have rumbled this and won't let the market players get away with it.

  11. DRM for Everyone! (or am I paranoid?) by Spellunk · · Score: 5, Informative
    While the IEEE tries to be impartial on DRM issues, I have seen an increase in DRM on every new storage medium in the last year. I am a member of IEEE and I was so displeased with the DRM of my last MP3 player (the RCA one in the article, actually) that I built one that has no DRM and a better user interface (I'll post it soon)

    Anyways, look out for many of the DRM features lying around to be activated in the near future. The biggest concern will be in memory cards, as most of them have built in features to erase the file after a certain number of plays.

    Also in the near future: DVD players having their playing rights revoked (a code on the disc only allows keys stored on approved players to access the content. Both of these are not "coming-up" technologies, they exist at this very moment in hardware, it is just a matter of time before manufacturers activate them.
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  12. Bullshit! by Wonderkid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "At that time, hardly anybody doubted that the music would be encoded optically on a round plastic disc the size of a CD.'" - I have been discussing on demand digital music since 1988. And I'm fedup of reading about 'new' concepts and technologies that myself and other technical innovators pioneer or discuss years before the media and thick haired golf players wake up and smell the coffee. It's about time this behavior stops and us genuine innovators get due credit. And we'll start by getting rid of the dumbed down celebrity culture which means it's good PR and dress sense that get you noticed rather than the truth and good will.

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  13. Re:MPEG AAC != Dolby AC-2 by NothingToSeeHere · · Score: 2, Informative

    Argh. Yeah, and they keep repeating that mistake, too - really bothersome in an otherwise well-written article.

    Apple never mentioned AC-2 anywhere. In fact, they usually expand AAC to Advanced Audio Coding in their explanations. I wonder where the author got that wrong idea.

    Let's see how long it takes for this myth to spread across the internet...

  14. Re:MP3, but improve the quality by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MP3pro sucks ass. Plain and simple. How do I know? I tried it. Here's the issue: I can hear MP3 compression artificats clearly to 192kb on most sources, and to 224kb on some of my "favorite" music. Certain Boston sequences are particulary difficult to encode well even at 256kb when played over decent headphones*.

    The problem is that even the registered version of an MP3pro converter would max out at 128kB, with 192kB "quality". Nice, but not really "enough". Everyone seems to be racing to the 96-128kb SIZE point, without realizing that it's not really all the great to listen to unless there's a lot of background noise, or the equipment you're playing it on comes in a heat-sealed clamshell. And 64kn in every format I've listened to sounds somewhere between AM and FM radio, with digital artifacting added as a bonus. I'll take 48 or 64 for spoken spoken word, but please don't say you use it for audio unless you are listening to it while mowing the lawn.

    I finally gave up on lossy formats and started re-ripping everything in FLAC. Now I can transcode through foobar2000 to whatever the format dujour is, or to a format which will fit in the space I have on my portable player.

    * Sony MDR-V6 in my case...quite the bargain IMHO, but get the Beyerdynamic 250/290 replacement pads - they're much more comfortable. See http://www.audioreview.com/PRD_118127_2750crx.aspx

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  15. Give me DVD audio over CD quality any day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well I THOUGHT the music industry was heading in the right direction with their CD one side DVD other side discs, but I guess I was wrong.

    I don't want portability. I'm not going to store 15,000 songs on an MP3 player. Heck, most of them will sit there unused for months. I want quality, DVD quality specifically. The difference between DVD and CD audio is just amazing. People might say there isn't much of a difference between the two, but chances are they're either deaf or have never heard the two compared to each other. It's just sooooo much better than past technologies. The problem is that no companies are putting their music out in DVD format.

    Any of you who have audigy 2s, go get your discs and search for your DVD audio sampler disc. You'll have to install creative's junky music player to get it to work(I haven't found a DVD audio plugin for winamp that works with it), but it's worth it to hear the difference. Go on, do it, you can uninstall everything when you're done. You'll be amazed.

  16. First time in history... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for sufficiently small values of "history".

    After all, the phonograph record was a step down in quality from live music, but ever more portable tha a full band or orchestra.

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  17. Re: DRM just adds useless overhead by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think current DVD players are a good example of the practical 'use' of DRM. They contain protection mechanisms (in hardware and software) like region coding, CSS and more. What does it do for consumers?

    There was a Slashdot story earlier about an interview with MPAA's Jack Valenti, who said: "I really do believe we can stuff enough algorithms in a movie that only the dedicated hackers can spend the time and effort to try to plumb through those 1,000 algorithms to try to find a way to beat it". He really doesn't have a clue, does he? A consumer gets the content, has a decoder, and gets decoding keys where needed (somehow), and to prevent interception, decoding will have to be done at the endpoint, the consumers' equipment. And then you expect to be able to ensure that content never leaves the device once decoded? Get real.

    Consumers are faced with extra hassle, limitations resulting from DRM features, and building those features into equipment and software makes everything more complicated and expensive. Hackers on the other hand (both black hat & white hat), will have circumvented DRM features in no-time.

    The interesting point here: the barrier it presents to hackers is removed quickly, and isn't an issue after that, but all disadvantages it presents to consumers, REMAIN. If, in 10 years from now, you want to write a software DVD player, chances are at some point you'll still have to deal with region codes, CSS and other useless crap, and DVD-enabled equipment will always be more complicated and expensive than it has to be because of the included DRM features.

    Concluding: DRM just adds useless overhead, extra cost, and doesn't do squat to prevent unintentional copying (aside from whether you think it should). I wrote a rant titled "CONTROL versus FREEDOM" some time ago, that isn't of much interest anymore, but its conclusion still holds. For me, it means that I won't invest any money in products that have significant DRM features built in. CD's with copy protection? Game consoles that you're not allowed to mod, or run your own software on? Stick it up your .....

  18. The question is whether DRM will be optional by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'd say that the big question is whether Microsoft (or the gov't) will start forcing the DRM'd formats -- meaning dropping support for non-DRM'd formats -- kind of like the digital TV "broadcast flag".

    If they do, then that could be a big plus for the Open Source OS's.

    And if it does wind up a government mandated thing, then would the Open Source OS's be forced into following suit? (ie, will Open Source OS distros have to come from outside the US?)

    On the other hand, if the DRM'd formats *aren't* forced on us, then they'll never take over.

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  19. Time we stopped calling this "music industry" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I keep getting labelled a troll when I post stuff like this, which is why I'm getting a bit disillusioned with Slashdot, but we do need to remember that "the Music Industry" is not the music industry. All over the world people are doing live performances, making little independent recordings on CDs or tape, creating genuinely experimental music. The thing the IEEE et al call the "Music Industry" is the bit that is run by large companies that figure on stock exchanges and so are visible to the media, and which in general is followed by a subset of the 10-30 age group in the developed world.

    There is no doubt that it is important in that its activities drive technical developments in certain directions, especially in the electronics and computer industries, but it isn't as important as it thinks it is. Its products are ephemeral and one day it will be of interest only to historians. Anybody who doubts this should look at the history of music; music is no longer driven by competing cathedrals, protestant churches or local rulers. When Bach was a superstar composer, he was part of a musico-industrial complex that no longer exists. Bach survives because he was also a great musician, but most of the composers of that era are completely forgotten. When Mozart was a kid, cathedrals tried to enforce copyright by excommunicating anyone who tried to memorise and reproduce the tunes of their new settings. This business model no longer works very well.

    And my point? That many people already may be seriously pissed off with the "Music Industry" but their activities, because they are small scale and local, are under the radar. Just like rock music was, once, when its performers couldn't afford proper instruments. We don't actually know where the next groundswell will come from, but we can be fairly sure that DRM-crippled reproduction equipment and the like will mean that the next new thing will come from left field. Rather than read about "Record execs pay research organisation to talk up their latest revenue protection concept" or whatever, I would like to know more about what might be happening in genuine grassroots music, and whether recording,transmission and reproduction technologies are aiding it, impeding it or are irrelevant.

  20. WAV? Compression format? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the article: "WAV has one of the lowest compression ratios and is virtually lossless, but it is not streamable"

    WAV isn't compressed format at all (check filesize against audio data rate), IS fully (not virtually) lossless, and although the format wasn't designed for it, being raw audio data, ofcourse you could stream it.

  21. Re:Cheers by valisk · · Score: 2, Informative
    When you first plug the unit it it is unresponsive and if the units are not charged for a full 14 hrs on installation, the units either lock up displaying a ! symbol or they simply refuse to power on.

    Quite a problem if the owner does not know that they have to charge the unit before use.

    This problem is so bad that Philips opened a unit specifically to put new batteries into the units before sending them back out.

    The unit though it can be used as a removable HDD will not play mp3s that you simply drag and drop onto the drive.
    It requires going through Philips (Java based) DRM software, and it takes a long time to load up the device, around 50 seconds to transfer a 3 minute 128kbps mp3 via USB.

    Not a product I could in all good conscience recommend.

    Hope that helps :)

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  22. Accessibility not Portability by ssummer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The industry needs a reality check.

    Yes, increased portability is behind the success of the iPod and other portable players. However take a look around you the next time you're riding the train, taking the bus or walking down a busy street: count how many people who are actually listening to ANYTHING, be it a MP3 player or even a portable CD player (excluding cell phones). Chances are it will be less than 1 in 10 (even for here in NYC).

    The portability market is finite, and it has just about reached the saturation point. People in general only listen to recorded music in 3 places: home, the office, and the car. The first two of which do not benefit from increased portability. Who cares if the listening device+media is as big as a brick or as small as a postage stamp in their home/office?

    This brings me to the car. The only portability that benefits the car listener is the ease of transferring and listening to one's music (which for the overwhelming majority of the population is on CD or cassette) from the home/office to the car and vice versa in the least steps possible. Right now the simplest way is a two step process: #1:take CD from home/office unit, #2:place in car stereo. In all the different portability solutions available, none comes close to rivaling the ease of use of the CD solution.

    Well actually, one solution comes close: those people that download ALL their music, place it directly to a memory card and then plug it into a car stereo that accepts that memory card/compression format. This is very unlikely to take off as it requires a fundamental shift in the physical media used to distribute recorded music to the "non-connected people" aka "the buying public". Why? Because if the original source of the music is on a CD, that automatically adds another (time-consuming) step to the process (converting from CDDA to whatever file format becomes the next big thing).

    Other than the glaringly obvious advantage of getting something for free (that isn't), MP3 succeeded because it brought us greater ACCESSIBILITY to our music. Mr. Home/Office/Car Listener could now get (timely) access to exactly the music he wants without having to leave his home/office. It wasn't (and still is not) because he could carry his whole collection in a nifty little device that fits in his shirt pocket, he just burns the music (uncompressed) to CD anyway.

    The majority of the public does not need increased portability (the MiniDisc fiasco should have tipped the industry off to that). We need increased ACCESSIBILITY: getting the music I want, where I want (which for most of us is just the home/office/car), when I want (which is NOW).

    The compression/the device/the size/the method of transmission/the protection is insignificant to me, just MAKE IT HAPPEN in as few steps as possible. Right now their is only one ubiquitous digital device (other than the CD player) that could serve as a point of access to OUR music, and you probably already know what it is:

    The cell phone.

    Anyone listening?

  23. Re:Recording Performances Separately by appleguy2004 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, that is how music is recorded most of the time. Thing is, the album, after being recorded, is made into a final mix (where everything is blended together) and then sent to mastering.

    So in order to be able to do "selective listening" as you propose, you would have to have each seperate track available. And by doing so, you of course mutliply the size of the song x the number of tracks. Basically, the only place you could fit this onto is a DVD, and a whole album with all the tracks available would not even fit on a single-sided DVD.

    And then there's the problem of playing those and controlling the tracks. On a computer it is easy enough since that's how the labum was created in the first place. But you would need a whole new line of home and portable audio devices designed to play and manipulate such a "format".

    Didn't mean to shut down your idea completely though, it's just not very feasible unless it is compressed AND unless they narrow it down to mixing the basic tracks individually and just making those available (vocals, guitars, bass, drums, percs, horns...), because a single song mix, in the recording studio, is made up of a minimum of 30 to 40 tracks most of the time. And in some cases, it can go quite higher than that.

    So it's not just a matter of delivering it, it would be a nightmare for sound engineers to do a full regular mix (for today's CDs) using all the tracks, and then remix each basic instrument seperately. The music industry is cutting corners as it is during recording... you would be asking them to spend more money on something that would be used by a minority of people that are either hardcore audiophiles or people that are sticking rich with an itch so spend.

    This would be very similar to surround-sound music (albums playing in 5.1 surround on DVDs). It never took off because it was hard to justify the costs for such a small market share. It will never sell as well as CDs (though more and more surround-sound concert DVDs are being produced) because its just not accessible to everyone. Even those DVDs I mentioned only sell to the basic fan base of the band that's being promoted... who's going to buy a 30$ concert DVD of a band they don't know?

    My 2 cents.

    Cheers!