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Beer Found to be as Healthy as Wine

Matt Clare writes "Researchers at the University of Western Ontario (Canada) recently found that beer has the same positive qualities that wine has previously been found to have. The media release quotes professor John Trevithick, 'We were very surprised one drink of beer or stout contributed an equal amount of antioxidant benefit as wine, especially since red wine contains about 20 times the amount of polyphenols as beer.' For more info on how beer helps police harmful free radicals in blood, The London Free Press also has an article."

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  1. mmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    GNU/BEER

    1. Re:mmm by Soko · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft. You zealot. I prefer FreeBeer.

      Soko

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    2. Re:mmm by s_mencer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
      -- Benjamin Franklin

    3. Re:mmm by Brandybuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's always NetBeer, you can drink it out of any container, even your toaster...

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    4. Re:mmm by dwhittington · · Score: 4, Funny

      I prefer WINE as in FREE WINDOWS.

  2. I think I speak for all of us ... by MrRTFM · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... when I say

    "WOOHOO!!"

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    1. Re:I think I speak for all of us ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think I speak for intelligent people when I say "Who funded this study?"

    2. Re:I think I speak for all of us ... by darthwader · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think I speak for all the people who actually read the article, when I say: "According to the London Free Press article, the research was funded by Labatt and Guinness".

      (Who hoo! I'm going to get +3 informative, just because I actually bothered to RTFA. Karma karma karma.)

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    3. Re:I think I speak for all of us ... by nebaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Answer: from the article

      I concurred. And then I jokingly asked if the study was sponsored by a brewery.

      But that's no joke.

      "The research was funded by Labatt and Guinness," said Trevithick, adding each brewery paid about $25,000 to finance the study. "But it's an unconditional grant and we made it very clear to them that if we had any findings we viewed as being appropriate to publish, that we'd publish them whether or not they were harmful to Labatt or Guinness."

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    4. Re:I think I speak for all of us ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The intelligent people are asking "but what negative effects cancel out the positive ones?"

      Really? I thought they already knew that one or two drinks a day is positive, but more are not. I don't see how this changes anything (except what to drink). I've never heard of a single study showing that two drinks a day is bad for anyone without specific contradictions (mostly liver related).

  3. Interesting.... by mentalflossboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet, you never hear about a "wine belly."

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    1. Re:Interesting.... by savagedome · · Score: 4, Funny

      You will, the day they start selling a six pack of wine for $4 in supermarkets.

    2. Re:Interesting.... by mentalflossboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Good lord, man, what kind of beer are you drinking? A decent beer costs at least 7 or 8 bucks for a six pack. And you can get "decent" bottles of wine for that much at Trader Joes.

      I don't think cost is the issue in the beer/wine debate. It's a lifestyle difference. Wine drinkers will have a glass with dinner. Beer drinkers chug a six pack watching the game on Saturday.

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    3. Re:Interesting.... by mmmmmhotpants · · Score: 5, Funny

      That reminds me of my driver's education teacher (many years ago) who shared his views with us that he doesn't drink anything unhealthy like beer or soda-pop. Of course I had to make the comment: "so that's a lemonade-belly you got there?".

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    4. Re:Interesting.... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think it's more an issue of the amount needed to produce the desired effect. To get a decent buzz on, I need to drink three 12 oz cans or two 16 oz pints of the average 5% alcohol beer. This is 510 calories, the equivalent of eating a large order of French Fries. Light beer is 330 calories, the equivalent of a medium order of french fries. Now, to maintain said buzz, I would need to consume a minimum of 16 oz of beer per hour, which means three hours of drinking is the equivalent of a McDonalds extra-value meal.

      On the other hand, I only need to drink 15 oz of wine to get the same buzz. Wine only has 106 calories per glass, so I'd be about as well off with wine as I would with light beer, though I'd probably enjoy it more as light beer doesn't hit the spot the way nice glass of Merlot would. Shit, drinking a whole bottle of wine is only 500 calories. So drink up, man...5 drinks for the caloric intake of 3, that's my idea of a party.

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    5. Re:Interesting.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can already get a 5 liter box of 12% alcohol wine for 6 bucks.

      Only an alcoholic would mod this informative.

    6. Re:Interesting.... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny
      drinking a whole bottle of wine is only 500 calories.

      Whiskey has an even better buzz to calorie ratio.
      In fact, if you drink enough, the shakes will help burn more calories.

    7. Re:Interesting.... by PylonHead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yea, but it's hard to beat main-lining heroin for a really good buzz to calorie ratio.

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  4. A bit one-sided... by phaetonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To quote from article, ...

    But the key is moderation. The researchers found three beers would have the opposite effect.

    The study was funded by beermakers Guinness and Labatt. But the university says the financial support had no influence on the outcome.

    1. Re:A bit one-sided... by Omega1045 · · Score: 4, Funny
      The researchers found three beers would have the opposite effect.

      So just make sure your two beers are both liters/quarts!

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    2. Re:A bit one-sided... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      But the key is moderation. The researchers found three beers would have the opposite effect.

      WARNING: The Surgeon General has determined that having your car wrapped around the trunk of a tree or overturned in a ditch may be harmful to your health. Drink in moderation and call a cab if you've had too much.
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    3. Re:A bit one-sided... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      But the key is moderation. The researchers found three beers would have the opposite effect.

      Yeah, but those are canadian beers, right? That means you either drink a third of a german beer, or six american beers...

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  5. yes, but define beer... by funny-jack · · Score: 5, Funny

    After the Great Britain Beer Festival, in London, all the brewery presidents decided to go out for a beer.
    The guy from Corona sits down and says, "Hey Senor, I would like the world's best beer, a Corona." The bartender dusts off a bottle from the shelf and gives it to him.
    The guy from Budweiser says, "I'd like the best beer in the world, give me 'The King Of Beers', a Budweiser." The bartender gives him one.
    The guy from Coors says, "I'd like the only beer made with Rocky Mountain spring water, give me a Coors." He gets it.
    The guy from Guinness sits down and says, "Give me a Coke." The bartender is a little taken aback, but gives him what he ordered.
    The other brewery presidents look over at him and ask "Why aren't you drinking a Guinness?" and the Guinness president replies, "Well, I figured if you guys aren't drinking beer, neither would I."

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    1. Re:yes, but define beer... by savagedome · · Score: 5, Funny

      Alright. One more.

      A Texan walks into a pub in Ireland and clears his voice to the crowd of drinkers. He says, "I hear you Irish are a bunch of hard drinkers. I'll give $500 American dollars to anybody in here who can drink 10 pints of Guinness back-to-back." The room is quiet and no one takes up the Texan's offer.
      One man even leaves. Thirty minutes later the same gentleman who left shows back up and taps the Texan on the shoulder. "Is your bet still good?", asks the Irishman.
      The Texan says yes and asks the bartender to line up 10 pints of Guinness. Immediately the Irishman tears into all 10 of the pint glasses drinking them all back-to-back.
      The other pub patrons cheer as the Texan sits in amazement.
      The Texan gives the Irishman the $500 and says, "If ya don't mind me askin', where did you go for that 30 minutes you were gone?".
      The Irishman replies, "Oh...I had to go to the pub down the street to see if I could do it first".

    2. Re:yes, but define beer... by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok, a couple of more, from here.

      An Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishman each order a Guiness in a pub. Upon being served, each finds a fly in their beer. Repulsed, the Englishman sends his back. The Scotsman gently flicks the fly out of his mug and begins drinking. The Irishman, carefully lifts the fly up by its wings and screams, "Spit it out! Spit it out!"



      An Irishman walks into a bar and orders three glasses of Guiness, drinking them one at a time. Noticing this odd ritual, the bartender explains that the beer goes flat when poured and informs the man his beer would be much fresher if he ordered one glass at a time.

      The Irishman explains he began this custom with his two brothers, who have moved to America and Australia, respectively. This is their way of remembering all the time they spent drinking together.

      The man becomes a regular at the pub, well-known for always ordering three beers at once. One day he walks in and orders only two beers. Assuming the worst, a hush falls among other patrons.

      When the Irishman returns to the bar to order his second round, the bartender quietly offers his condolences. The man looks confused for a moment, and then explains, "No, everyone's fine. I gave up beer for lent."

  6. Related story... by xsupergr0verx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Smashing your head into a wall while taking steroids is as healthy as professional football!

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  7. Excellent. by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Funny

    We can now rest assured that Homer Simpson will be cancer-free.

  8. Conrimfming thiss study by I+Love+this+Company! · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pfft. Mostt of uzsd hav knonnnw bou)t this fofr yeawrs!!@

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  9. ok, I'm outta here! by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Happy hour here I come!

    Seriously though, I've always wanted to start drinking a glass of wine or beer with lunch at work. Think about it long term; it would be a health benefit. One beer isn't going to make anyone loopy, and you'd be at your desk or in the kitchen, so you wouldn't be going outside like smokers, plus you'd only do it once a day unlike smokers.

    Hmmm...perhaps I should send this article to our HR department...

    CB!@#$%^&*

  10. Better question: by temojen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you trust Labatts with this "science"?

  11. Well heck! by Krypto420 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess that means I'll live to be 100!!! Excuse me while I crack open another cold one!! WooHoo!

  12. I thought this has been known... by interactive_civilian · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Several years ago, my grandfather was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Luckily the chemo-therapy beat it down and it hasn't returned.

    Anyway, the point is when he was recovering, the doctor asked him about his life-style. My grandfather, a wine-drinker, answered a solid "NO" when asked if he drank beer. The doctor recommended that he change that and start drinking a beer per day.

    The doctor was under belief a beer per day would keep the prostate cancer from returning, and it (among other things) seems to have worked. My grandfather celebrated his 80th a few years ago and is still going strong.

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  13. Some Good Qualities != Healthy by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 5, Informative

    It may have as many antioxidants, but it also has a hell of a lot more carbs. If you REALLY want to get a lot of antioxidants, try blueberries instead. All the good stuff, little of the bad.

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  14. Re:Cheers! by yintercept · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There is a God!

    And like God, beer can be healthy if you don't over do it.

  15. Don't get too excited by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
    According to the summary, the benefit to health comes with a corresponding decrease in civil liberties:

    For more info on how beer helps police harmful free radicals in blood...

    It's time to write your representatives, folks!

  16. Proof of God? Franklin thought so. by Exousia · · Score: 5, Funny

    As Benjamin Franklin said, "Beer is proof that there is a God and that He loves us."

    I couldn't agree more.

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  17. Do we really want... by uberdave · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do we really want beer helping the police to free harmful radicals?

  18. Many other health benefits by i0n · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beer has a lot more to offer than just antioxidants, especially when you drink unfiltered homebrew/craft beers. For one, there's a ton of fiber (I've heard 5g/12oz quoted (too lazy to confirm)) which is good considering that most of us dont get near the recommended amount (~25g/day I think). Also, unfiltered beer contains a considerable amount of yeast (no, not just on the bottom, suspended too) which has tons of vitamin B12 (ever seen 'brewers yeast' at the health food store). I've heard also that lack of B12 is one of the main causes of hangovers - to this day, I've never had a (bad) hangover drinking my own beer.

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  19. One beer a day to benefit? by f8free · · Score: 5, Funny

    So if I've already spent four years averaging six beers/day, I need to stay sober for the next twenty years to benefit?

    Man, am I glad I didn't go for that post-graduate degree!

  20. Reality check by drmike0099 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article should be taken with a grain of salt. First of all, it's about as minor a medical discovery as you could find, in terms of potential impact of the study, where it was published, etc. (makes me wonder if the submitter was an author). There was a massive article on a similar topic in the New England Journal of Medicine last year, which actually studied actual humans and their actual outcomes (link here) that didn't make it onto slashdot, and proved essentially the same thing. This is just talking about a lab proof about antioxidants, which are currently only one theory as to why alcohol is good for you. In other words, this is nice to know, but doesn't prove anything we didn't already know.

  21. Let's drink better beer. by IvyMike · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not that YOU personally would do this, but I have seen discussions arguing over "Beer X is better than Beer Y" where both sides clearly need to widen their beer horizons.

    So let's get edjumucated. (and seriously, what could be more fun?) Here are two lists of (mostly) great beers that have very wide distribtuions--go out and find something on these lists that you haven't had, and try it tonight!

    RateBeer's top 'accessible' beer list.

    BeerAdvocate's 'Best Most Available Beers' list.

    There are other lists, too, these are just to get you started. You can go to both site's "Top beers" to find a list of even better beers, although many of those could be hard to find.

  22. Expect the Price of Beer to Rise by 0x1234 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When red wine was declared (in moderation) to be healthy, the price went up. A bottle of merlot that used to cost 5 dollars a bottle (when it wasn't good for you) now costs 8 dollars. When it was widely publicized that Oats helped lower cholesterol, the price of everything containing oats went up. Check the cereal isle. Now beer is healthy!!? ARRRRGHHHH!!!

  23. Re:Alcohol is no health food by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually, the whole title of beer or wine being "healthy" is rediculous. Alcohol is the most damaging food product you can put in your body.

    Actually, there are several "good" studies--published in reputable journals, with good methodology and solid statistical methods--that show an association between moderate alcohol consumption and appreciably reduced risk of a number of diseases. (Here, moderate is a range from approximately 1 to 3 drinks per day, depending on the study.)

    Reduced risks include cardiovascular diseases (heart attack, stroke) and neurological disorders (Alzheimers, other dementias, Parkinson's). There is a correlation with an overall reduced risk of mortality, even after controlling for income and education.

    Consumption of alcohol to excess definitely does systemic damage to quite a bit of the body, but there is no evidence that moderate consumption is harmful. Sure, the benefits aren't huge, but for most people there's definitely no reason to describe alcohol as the 'most damaging' food product they can consume*. Only half in jest, I would recommend the Big Mac for that title, or maybe a Krispy Kreme doughnut. Alcohol would definitely be waaaay down the list. Quite right--most reputable physicians and researchers wouldn't recommend taking up drinking solely for health reasons, but no reputable scientist will tell you to drop drinking entirely, either.

    *Exceptions include individuals who have a genetic inability to digest alcohol (defects in aldehyde dehydrogenase or another enzyme), or a predisposition towards alcoholism, or a liver or kidney disorder.

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  24. Free radicals? by mikael · · Score: 4, Funny

    how beer helps police harmful free radicals in blood, The London Free Press also has an article."

    beer, Police, free radicals, blood, London Free Press?

    All the standard ingredients for another protest day in London.

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  25. Free Beer! by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Free Beer! That's beer that's free as pretzels and open as speech. I'm talking about the Free and Open Source QBrew Homebrew Recipe Calculator.

    [Hey, it's shameless self-promotion, but beer related stories don't appear on Slashdot that often]

    You don't even need to know how to brew, because it comes with a brewing primer. To be honest, while the software is free as in pretzels, brewing ingredients might set you back twenty bucks for a two case batch, but that twenty buck is worth it. Now go and make some "Beer Found to be as Healthy as Wine".

    [Now I'm starting to feel ashamed about this shameless self-promotion, better wrap up quick]

    It's even free for Windows and Mac (but is much cooler under a Free and Open system like Linux or BSD). A new release is due within the month, but why wait? Build now and avoid the rush...

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  26. Re:Interesting.... (OT) by Achoi77 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I used to work at a wine shop, and one of the new periodicals we used to receive was nutritional/chemical breakdown of about 100 or so different wines from all over the world. They had all different kinds of ratings, from what kinds had the most carbs (yes carbs), calories, and a whole slew of antioxidants with long Organic Chemistry-like words that I don't bother to remember. From that list, I've sorted a few things out (note, these are just based on rough estimates from the graphs, and off the top of my head from roughly 2 years ago):

    White wines generally has fewer calories than red wines, but also has less antioxidant content than reds as well. The exception to the calorie count will be dessert wines, which have so much sugar in them it's pointless compare them to reds anyway. Also, not to put a damper toward white wine drinkers, but almost all 'light' whites are on the bottom of the list. These include Sauvignon Blanc and Rieslings (from almost any region, but veering towards colder regions like Alsace and Germany). Of the whites, the only wines that seem to rank well in antioxidant count(among other whites - none rank well against reds) are alcoholic, tannic chardonnays(from wood barrels) from very sunny regions, like Chile and Australia. I guess the sugar content helps there in the fermentation process.

    Red wines with more tannins were generally ranked higher on the antioxidant list. I haven't really checked whether the tannin count is from the barrels they aged in, or the grape skin itself, but the highest ranking 'healthy' red wines listed were from chile and some parts of australia. But there were plenty from france and California as well.

    Of the reds, small sized grape varietals seems to have more 'good stuff' in them; Most of the wines up on the list were Cabernet Sauvignon, some Cabernet Franc, and the occasional Shiraz/Syrah. Absent from the list (or I just don't remember seeing any) was primitivo/zinfandel, along with pinot noir. Most of the merlots were on the bottom of the list.

    In terms of alcohol content, the 'healthiest' wines had the highest amount of alcohol in them, generally all above 14-15 percent. I'm guessing this is due to the length of time the wines are allowed to stay in the barrels(forgive my lack of winespeak, it's been a while). Also, very very few steel barrel wines ranked high in terms of antioxidant content and 'other stuff.'

    I guess that's about it atm. If you want to drink healthy, make sure to aim for heavy, tannic wines made from the small grape varietals that have been aged in wood, which happens to have lots of calories, and lots of alcohol(disclaimer:there is no scientific basis on anything I've just said, this is all based off of my experience). :-) I haven't RTFA as of yet, but I'm curious of the types of beer high up on the list of 'goodness' reflect the wine criteria for 'goodness.' In particular the 'aged, high calorie, alcoholic' portion of it.

    One thing about heavy tannic wines: in my experience I've gotten the worst hangovers from them. I'm guessing it's from the tannins themselves, as light reds and whites don't affect me nearly as much.

    and not to be a downer on your post, but if I was looking to get a quick hit, my suggestion would be to aim straight for the vodka (not that I'm advocating that or anything). Vodka has some of the highest alcohol/dollar ratio making it super cheap, plus (if you buy good vodka) is has very little impurities so you don't have to worry too much about hangovers. And, it's pretty low on the calorie count compared to wine and beer. The problem with vodka is that because it's so clean, people have a hard time judging whether or not they have had enough.

    I used to drink wine very heavily, so I've built quite a tolerance to alchohol. I don't drink as often as I used to, but every once in a while I enjoy having a beer or a glass of wine, and I notice that I get a nice little buzz, even with my heavy tolerance. Man, work must be more stressful than I thought. :-P

  27. Altogether now.... (posix beer) by B747SP · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... everybody say:

    cd /pub
    more beer

    That's all I have to say, thanks for coming!

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