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Yahoo Plans Its Own Music Player, Download Service

iPod writes "Since late last year, Yahoo has been developing its own music player software, which will be underpinned by a subscription and download service provided by MusicNet, sources familiar with the plan said. Yahoo is developing its own music player software, backed by MusicNet-provided downloads and subscriptions, that it plans to run alongside the recently purchased Musicmatch."

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  1. Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by Brento · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seems like only yesterday that Yahoo bought Broadcast.com for $5.4 billion and said they'd "provide a selection of programming including business events, full-length CDs, and audio books." We all knew Yahoo was going to kill off the conventional media companies like ABC, NBC, and CBS - just a matter of time.

    Now Apple and the recording companies under the same pressure. Wow, that's gotta be scary. I sure wouldn't want to be in Steve Jobs' shoes knowing that the same minds behind the Yahoo/Broadcast.com integration are now coming after my customers. I don't know how I'd sleep at night.

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    1. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Funny

      Same way he deals with everything else: RDF.

    2. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by here4fun · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Seems like only yesterday that Yahoo bought Broadcast.com for $5.4 billion

      I wonder what broadcast.com is worth today. But I am happy that Mark Cuban got the money to but the Dallas Mav's, he is probably the most entertaining owner in the NBA.

      We all knew Yahoo was going to kill off the conventional media companies like ABC, NBC, and CBS - just a matter of time.

      Just like MSN was going to kill CNN and Fox News.

      I sure wouldn't want to be in Steve Jobs' shoes knowing that the same minds behind the Yahoo/Broadcast.com integration are now coming after my customers.

      I bet if Mark Cuban was still involved, they would have the best service on the web. That is because the #1 thing that guides Cuban's buisness decisions is he wants the customer to be happy. Everything he touches turns to gold. He should be a case study in buisness schools. Amazing how some people can bring wild sucess and others can't do anything better than sue (SCO) or intimidate (RIAA).

    3. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by caddisfly · · Score: 5, Interesting
      ...maybe it is the morning, but I thought this should have been moderated as "funny" or at least sarcastic. ;-)

      ...downloads are becoming more and more of a commodity item.

      Does this favor those that give "value add" - like Apple, who develops products along the entire vertical chain (below music creation point, anyway) and can distinguish themselves in the market any where along the chain *OR* will the monopoly presence of MS and the use of the WMA format by the commodity providers make that uniqueness/differentiation hard to maintain/defend?

      ...time will tell. Right now, ipod is cool and has established name/concept recognition that no one else can touch. It is still the crown jewels and no one else will ever produce an "ipod" except Apple. I would imagine a large percentage of the consumer market couldn't name another music player other than ipod. It is kinda like Kleenex and Sheetrock.

      And we already know that Apple produces better software

      ....we will see if this matters.

    4. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by chrysrobyn · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I sure wouldn't want to be in Steve Jobs' shoes knowing that the same minds behind the Yahoo/Broadcast.com integration are now coming after my customers.

      Remember when Yahoo was a search engine? And one day they started using other search engines under contract because Yahoo couldn't keep up any more? Yahoo does a good job rebranding other people's work (news.yahoo.com...) and presenting it in an integrated location. iTunes Music Store will continue to fluorish. They're popular right now and they know it. If iTMS wanes in the slightest, I bet they start licensing all over. They already have a referral program.

    5. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by Shambhu · · Score: 1

      Why is the modded 'Informative'? Surely it is supposed to be sarcastic. Was it because it contained a link?

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    6. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I could be wrong, but I remeber when Yahoo was an index and manual rating system. It had what we would now call search engine features, but those were mostly made relevent by Alta Vista, which is why Yahoo! had to buy a search engine.

      When it was clear that Yahoo searches were not the thing, Yahoo! reinvented itself as a portal, something that was just becoming the big thing to do. As a portal, a one stop shop, it does a pretty good job. Also as a portal it has to have lots of stuff, some of which it might be valuable to own.

      So, it Yahoo! is a one stop shop, it has to sell music. It may not make much money on it, but at least customers will not have to go elsewhere.

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    7. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      Remember when Yahoo was a search engine?

      You mean back when Netscape was the dominant browser?

    8. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...no one else will ever produce an "ipod" except Apple.

      What about HP?

      Relax, it's a joke...

    9. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong, but I remeber when Yahoo was an index and manual rating system. It had what we would now call search engine features, but those were mostly made relevent by Alta Vista, which is why Yahoo! had to buy a search engine.

      Here is a history of Yahoo. As I recall it was meant to be the "Yellow Pages" for the internet since there wasn't a basic directory at the time it came out. I used to set it as my browser home page.

      I used it to browse categorised lists of similar websites rather than for web page keyword search results, because those are what it used to display first. I used AltaVista for keyword searches. They each had their own advantages. Yahoo helped you find information in an organised manner whereas AltaVista flooded you with less organised search results. Yahoo was more of a categorised directory, while AltaVista was a real search engine. I started using AltaVista because Yahoo used them for search engine results.

      Yahoo seemed to have all the major websites categorised properly. However, this seemed to falter as the web expanded, and now the directory function just seems to give you a list of similar sites that aren't necessarily the major ones. And they no longer display the categories first, opting to display web page search results like standard keyword search engines instead. I still use it for the category function and feel they should have left it returning the categories first, like it used to before they revised the interface.

    10. Re:Wow, just like they manhandled the TV networks! by edittard · · Score: 1
      Apple and the recording companies
      And the recording companies? Apple are a recording company.
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  2. Subscription.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh goody. A subscription service.
    Those are always so successful.

  3. Peer Pressure by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why would they do this you ask? Well... all the cool companies are doing it, right?

    I'm waiting for Sun Microsystem's music download service myself.

    1. Re:Peer Pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well yes look at them all now Apple and ipod/itunes, microsoft, real, napster, yahoo, the amiga revived as an mp3 player, bbc with the bbc micro brand revived for music sales and telstra in australia too.

      Sooner or later Sun or Cray or Unisys are going to have to join in

      I bet SCOs music service sucks. Download their music and they sue you.

    2. Re:Peer Pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm waiting for SCOs. Only $699 a download. Free court appearance with every ten songs. Etc etc.

    3. Re:Peer Pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I bet SCOs music service sucks. Download their music and they sue you.
      "

      Well, If I could, I'd mod you up for that...

    4. Re:Peer Pressure by Grant29 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Exactly. Quoting my previous comment:

      Must everybody in the world have thier own broswer these days? We are already plagued by interoperability in browsers, Operating Systems, Instant messengers, etc... I know it's always good to have a choice, but not when it's this complicated. I support multiple choices, but I'd like them all to at least work, as well as work together. It seems like these days everybody wants to be a search engine, everybody wants to offer a music download service. Now is everyone going to offer thier own browers?
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    5. Re:Peer Pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I'm waiting for Sun Microsystem's music download service myself.


      I hear it's slow as shit, unless you download a hundred tracks simultaneously, in which case it is on average quite fast. Oh, and apparently they're going to give away the hardware for free.

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  5. I must ask.. by nuclear305 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Yahoo Plans Its Own Music Player, Download Service"

    Maybe this is because I'm only halfway through my morning coffee...but...why?

    It seems at this point these companies are merely flooding a drowning market that is online music stores. Seems like a new one pops up weekly among the big companies.

    1. Re:I must ask.. by here4fun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      they will probably leverage all the people who have yahoo accounts. people trust yahoo, and use it everyday for email, fantasy sports, movie info, etc. the amount of free advertising they would get would be huge. unlike if i started getmusicfromme.com, nobody would know about it and nobody would think it would be a universal format. i bet yahoo is banking on people using them because they are so well known.

    2. Re:I must ask.. by hype7 · · Score: 1
      Maybe this is because I'm only halfway through my morning coffee...but...why?

      It seems at this point these companies are merely flooding a drowning market that is online music stores. Seems like a new one pops up weekly among the big companies.


      It's a damn good question, and it's good to see some IT guys asking it. Not asking it led to the last big IT bubble, and the last big IT crash.

      These morons will soon work out that unless that have something to differentiate them, they're going to drown in the MS/Apple ocean with large set up costs and nobody buying their product.

      It's turning into a new version of the dot com boom.

      -- james
    3. Re:I must ask.. by nanojath · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. When I first looked at this I thought, yeesh, do they honestly think they're going to get me to replace iTunes?

      On consideration, no, I doubt it. I think this reality is somewhat opaque to the average slashdotter, but there are a whole lot of people out there who do not recognize their computer as an appliance for playing music, or at best know they can stick a CD in the tray and WMP will play it more or less like a CD player. I think this kind of thing is an attempt to get a piece of that as-yet untapped market rather than an attempt to compete directly with current consumers of products like iTunes.

      An outfit like Yahoo is in the same bind as everybody that had a real spiffy business model when they were the only ones doing anything to make things online truly accessible to the masses: there isn't very much money in being a portal. But what they do have is a user base. So I think you're exactly right - they're hoping to get all those people who still have Yahoo as their home page, their webmail, hosting their little personal web page, IM client or whatever who are deciding hey, I want to try something out with music on my computer.

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  6. Should be good... by here4fun · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Yahoo plans to beef up its IM service with more-interactive music features that enable people to listen to one another's playlists, according to sources familiar with the initiative.

    So how is this different than if I share my songs?

    The Musicmatch acquisition brought Yahoo the third-largest audience for online music, according to Internet research firm ComScore Media Metrix. As of August, Yahoo's Launch ranked top with 14 million unique users, followed by AOL Music at 13 million and Musicmatch at 5.8 million. MSN Music came in fourth with 4.3 million, Napster owner Roxio had 2.1 million unique users, and RealNetworks' Listen accounted for 1.8 million.

    I don't own any drm music. If I want mp3's, I rip them from my own CD's and trade with friends (since we paid for the CD, we can make copies and give them out for free to anyone we want, regardless of what the RIAA says). Those pay services all have their own DRM (I am guessing from what I have been reading), so it is like owning a cripled peice of software. I don't get why people buy something that will only work on X's player.

    1. Re:Should be good... by sploo22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I rip them from my own CD's and trade with friends (since we paid for the CD, we can make copies and give them out for free to anyone we want, regardless of what the RIAA says)

      No, that's what says. As much as you might hate it and not wish to believe it, it's true. Copyright does exist, and just saying "well it's only for a few friends" does not excuse you from complying with it. You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to copy those copyrighted CD's unless they say you can.

      There are limited exceptions for educational fair use, but those don't exactly apply here.

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    2. Re:Should be good... by MvD_Moscow · · Score: 1

      Why? because people don't really care about the product. They don't even understand the meaning of DRM. All they care about is the Yahoo brand name. That's it.

    3. Re:Should be good... by sploo22 · · Score: 2, Informative

      D'oh... please ignore the previous post.

      I rip them from my own CD's and trade with friends (since we paid for the CD, we can make copies and give them out for free to anyone we want, regardless of what the RIAA says)

      No, that's what Federal law says. As much as you might hate it and not wish to believe it, it's true. Copyright does exist, and just saying "well it's only for a few friends" does not excuse you from complying with it. You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to copy those copyrighted CD's unless they say you can.

      There are limited exceptions for educational fair use, but those don't exactly apply here.

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    4. Re:Should be good... by here4fun · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, that's what says. As much as you might hate it and not wish to believe it, it's true. Copyright does exist, and just saying "well it's only for a few friends" does not excuse you from complying with it. You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to copy those copyrighted CD's unless they say you can. There are limited exceptions for educational fair use, but those don't exactly apply here.

      I have every legal right to do anything I want with what I own. If I buy a CD, I can copy it as many times as I want, give out those copies to anyone. It is no different than when people used to make copies of tapes back in the 80's and early 90's. Explain to me how it was different back then from today? Not only would people copy tapes for friends, but they would copy music off the radio. I knew of stations in the 80's that played music without a DJ talking during the start of the song so people could make copies. And you are going to tell me that today I can't copy what I OWN???

      Or how is this different than a decade ago when people made copies with their VHS tape? And then they shared it. Heck, I knew people who taped movies off HBO or Cinemax and then saved it.

      The RIAA is messing with your mind. I don't care what the RIAA says, or how much they intimidate people, it is a fundamental right that you can copy what you own, share it with friends, use it in the car, whatever you want. What do you think is comming next? A EULA for music that says you can only play it on one music device, and if you want to play that song on a different music device you have to buy an additional license? The music companies will try and squeeze every last nickle out of you if you let them. I for one will never pay twice for something.

    5. Re:Should be good... by sploo22 · · Score: 1

      Sorry about that, I goofed up on the link the first time.

      Since you seem so convinced that you have all these legal rights, perhaps you could show me the law that entitles you to them? Oh wait, I can see it now...

      "This copyright law may hereby ignored by anyone who doesn't like it."

      Somehow, I don't think so.

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    6. Re:Should be good... by jals · · Score: 1

      "If I want mp3's, I rip them from my own CD's and trade with friends (since we paid for the CD, we can make copies and give them out for free to anyone we want, regardless of what the RIAA says)."

      I despise the RIAA as much as the next person and I copy CDs for friends, but I'm well aware that legally this is not allowed. You have to have rights to distribute that music which buying it from a shop does not give you.

      By all means, copy it for your car or work. But giving copies to friends just because you paid for a copy is not at all legal.

    7. Re:Should be good... by zaxios · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is no different than when people used to make copies of tapes back in the 80's and early 90's. Explain to me how it was different back then from today? Not only would people copy tapes for friends, but they would copy music off the radio.

      This is too stupid for words. It happens/happened != proof that it is legal. If the fact that people do something precludes it from being illegal, no one could ever do anything illegal. Whether or not copying copyrighted material in this way is legal or illegal is complicated, but the ignorance of your comment isn't.

      I knew of stations in the 80's that played music without a DJ talking during the start of the song so people could make copies. And you are going to tell me that today I can't copy what I OWN???

      I'm really sick of hearing this. Remarkable as it no doubt is, after spending $15 on a CD, you have not purchased the copyright of an album. You have also not purchased a license that allows you to endlessly copy and redistribute. These are the rights of the copyright holder and those who the copyright holder licenses these rights to. To lapse into familiar words, all you own is an instance of the music. You own the physical disk. You do NOT own the music: the song is owned by a publishing company (e.g. Northern Songs) and the recording is owned by the record company (e.g. EMI).

    8. Re:Should be good... by jdreed1024 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have every legal right to do anything I want with what I own.

      Gee officer, I'm awful sorry I shot the guy, but heck, I own the gun, I got a right to do what I want with it and ... hey ... wait .. what are you doing with those handcuffs.

      If I buy a CD, I can copy it as many times as I want, give out those copies to anyone. It is no different than when people used to make copies of tapes back in the 80's and early 90's. Explain to me how it was different back then from today?

      Um, because people didn't give tapes out to anyone. They gave them to a few friends. Do that now, and the RIAA probably won't notice. That of course doesn't mean they don't care. The RIAA was in fact very displeased with the idea of taping records and trading them. But they didn't own enough Congressmen to do anything about it.

      Or how is this different than a decade ago when people made copies with their VHS tape? And then they shared it. Heck, I knew people who taped movies off HBO or Cinemax and then saved it.

      It's not. Jack Valenti, in his famous "VCR is the Boston strangler" testimony compared people time-shifting shows to people taping records and trading them.

      But you're missing one key point. You talk about trading your music with friends. That's great. Except that's not what everyone is upset about. They're upset about trading it with *everyone*. If you have a password-protected FTP server with music for your friends (or even for you to listen to remotely), that's fine. If you transfer files to your friends via IM, I don't think the RIAA will notice or care.

      But you can't seriously claim everyone on the Internet is your friend. Or even everyone on a certain P2P network. Now, if you want to make the argument that you should be able to give your music away to everyone for free, that's fine, but that's totally different from giving it away to only your friends.

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    9. Re:Should be good... by Ost99 · · Score: 1

      Copyright does exist, and just saying "well it's only for a few friends" does not excuse you from complying with it. You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to copy those copyrighted CD's unless they say you can.

      Well, copyright controlls just a small fraction of what you can do with those CD's. It's supposed to regulate mass production and distribution, not private copying. The DMCA might have fucked this up a bit for "protected" CD's in the US and some of the EU countries (for those who implemented EUCD without exemtion for private copies), but for most other countries copyright law does not prohibit private copying. This form of copying, combined with radio/tv based distribution, is what turns art into culture.

      You have obvioulsy bought the RIAA propaganda sink and hook. Copyright is something *we* grant the artists in hope of gaining more art.

      - Ost

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  7. I bet... by beef3k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..that like LAUNCHCast they'll make this ASP dependent as well, so that us Linux folk will be essentially locked out. Not that I care.

    1. Re:I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't view ASP pages on your Linux box? Sounds like a personal problem.

  8. I know of an even BETTER service... by 69charger · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    There is a really nice site out there that offers movies, TV shows, music, games, and even software, all absolutely FREE! Excellent bandwidth also!

    http://www.suprnova.org/

    ;-)
    1. Re:I know of an even BETTER service... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Install this.
      2. Click on a Suprnova link.
      3. Enjoy.

  9. Hmm by elementus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Next thing you know there'll be a new thing around called gusic and google will be right behind the new market. Why can't this companies just stick to what they do best?

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    1. Re:Hmm by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now I'm just confused, I can see it with most companies, but what's that then when it comes to Microsoft?

  10. Re:spinning.. by zaxios · · Score: 1

    It's like how some people have speculated Google will be, thanks to Froogle, Gmail, Gbrowser and co.

    "Hey Sergey can you look at - "
    "Schmidt, for Gmail, do you - "
    "Just a moment, for Froogle, these - "
    "About the browser privacy policy, how ambigu - "
    "Can I get some damn coff - "

    The whole firm immobilized.

    I wonder how Yahoo! has managed all these years to still provide such a quality set of services despite its obvious lack of concerted focus.

  11. Finally someone is coming up with something new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow! An online music store, why did nobody think of something like that before?

    Isn't it funny that at first it took ages to come up with one decent online music store though the demand was clearly there and now everybody and their mother thinks yet an other store is needed.

  12. Re:spinning.. by Empiric · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, theoretically, the industry could evolve to "Amagoo", which could function both as a company name -and- an appropriate description?

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  13. Episode VI: Return of the .com by killbill! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like online music downloads are the new gold rush, the new .com: every major player from past revolutions has missed the boat, and wants some slice of the action.

    I'd be lucky if even one of them survives.

    (well, except MS, but it's because they don't care if they lose a couple billions a year, and because 95% of desktops come with WMP installed anyway)

    1. Re:Episode VI: Return of the .com by nuclear305 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think it belongs more in the area of either Episode I-III, or VII-IX considering all these new music stores and Lucas sing this new song called Cash Cow.

  14. a triumph of modern technology. by the+talented+rmg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the drive toward better, more sensible distribution of digital content is finally catching on in the commercial world. in fact, they've even taken it a step further by coupling simple downloads with a system to seek out new music for you based on your musical preferences, much like a dating service.

    i'm continually astonished by the resiliency of the dating service concept. it works for slashdot, it works for yahoo. as artificial intelligence becomes more sophisticated, i think we can expect to see much more like this in the future. perhaps they'll even cross-reference between services, so that, for example, one's tastes in music could be correlated with one's taste in books, movies, or dining establishments.

    what a time to be alive.

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    1. Re:a triumph of modern technology. by horrens · · Score: 1

      would be nice if all these companies would not try to lock competitors out in the non tech world I don't have to buy a special oven to cook my steak with or be limited to certain stakes on one oven

  15. I subscribe to Rhapsody by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Informative
    I subscribe to Rhapsody and I really like it. For $9.95/month I can stream on-demand as much as I like.

    Yes, their collection is incomplete, but there's still a huge selection of good stuff.

    Not everybody is suited for the streaming approach -- some really prefer to burn CDs for the car, etc -- but for those that are suited for streaming, it's pretty neat.

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  16. gTunes ! by phreakv6 · · Score: 1

    am waiting for gTunes... just Don't be evil !!

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  17. Bring on the jukebox in the sky ... by Heisenbug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I for one am a total convert to the streaming jukebox approach to music. I don't even know how to write about it without coming across like spam -- having instant access to over 40,000 albums for about $25 every three months utterly changed the way I listen to music. (I use Rhapsody, but it looks like the MusicMatch service is roughly identical) Even CDs I own don't get played anymore because it's faster to stream them, and when I want to try a new artist I don't futz around accidentally downloading their most popular track five times -- I just click and their first CD is playing.

    So, there are still problems. You're dependent on your network connection, and on their servers. You only have the songs they've managed to acquire, which for example means almost no Beatles. Rhapsody only runs in Windows -- and how much of your time do you really spend within listening distance of a Windows box connected to broadband?

    Well, tragically, about 90% of it. And don't lie, if you're reading this you probably do too.

    I don't think the jukebox concept is necessarily all there yet for people whose job isn't computers -- but as soon as it reaches the same price via cell phones, the idea of buying CDs is going to be antique. If you haven't tried these things, give them a shot -- for me, at least, this way kicks the ass of both CDs and P2P hands down.

    Oh, and, uh, some spam for you. If you sign up for the FREE TRIAL VERSION for whatever service pleases you, please tell them I sent you. They only clean out my cage and restock the food pellets if I bring in enough referrals every week ...

    1. Re:Bring on the jukebox in the sky ... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1
      Rhapsody only runs in Windows -- and how much of your time do you really spend within listening distance of a Windows box connected to broadband?

      Yeah, I'm sure my sysadmin would love me using our broadband to stream my own music all friggin day.

      /me turns around to ask him if I can stream music

      He said "When you pay the bill, you can stream all the music you want."

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    2. Re:Bring on the jukebox in the sky ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, tragically, about 90% of it. And don't lie, if you're reading this you probably do too.

      sorry nothing but Linux, Solaris and MAC OsX machines here.

  18. Re:spinning.. by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

    you missed off the exclamation mark, it should be "Amagoo!"

  19. MEDIACHEST.COM by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 1

    Best place to find music, through your actual people-to-people networking skills. I love using this service to trade music with others that live near me, or through the mail with people a little further away. Check it out!

    Publish your collection!

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  20. when will they ever learn? by the+talented+rmg · · Score: 1

    indeed. competitor lockout is probably the key element preventing a harmonious postindustrial economy. all the hurly-burly of trying to beat the other guy is just obscuring what's really important: giving the customer what he wants.

    i envision a future in which services like music match find one's soul-product, much like dating services purport to find soul mates. obviously, music is the natural place to start this sort of thing since most music has considerable soul to begin with.

    in time, companies will realize the value of harmony (or "synergy" as they might call it today). instead of planned obsolesence and incompatibility, we will see a parsimonious consumer universe full of interoperation, interaction, and interpenetration of form and function.

    and the platform that will bring these modern marvels into being: linux. and probably some python here and there.

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  21. AWESOME!! by eric_brissette · · Score: 1

    The rock solid nature of their instant messaging program gives me total confidence that this will be the greatest music sharing software of all time.

  22. Point a finger and laugh derisively by zecg · · Score: 1

    It's the only valid response to all this "me-too" opportunism which has all but replaced innovation and quality. All of the big boys, bloated with their money and responsibility towards shareholders, with their rigid corporate mentality... they have no option but to leave their slimy trail behind the likes of Apple and Google.

    Apple has succeeded at its iTunes+iPod combo because of all the things the follow-ups are (most probably) going to lack: high quality hardware and software which does not try to force itself on its user or treat him like an idiot.

    --
    .i lu doi ringos.star. xu do puku'aroroi dunli dopecaku leni virnu li'u
  23. Unique Players & DRM by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've got a good point.

    Imagine you are sitting there craving some Jazz. You fire up iTunes play some Armstrong, but suddenly you want Ella Fitzgerald. Problem is Ella is only selling her music through Yahoo! because that is the deal Yahoo! made with the record companies. Now you've got to fire up Yahoo!'s player.

    After a few songs you realize that it isn't Jazz you were interested in, it was Punk Rock all along. Of course you've got to fire up Real Player because you've purchased it through them. After a few Racid songs you want to listen to some Motörhead... back to iTunes. Wait! After firing up iTunes you realize that it was Yahoo! that sold you the Motörhead tracks.

    Or... was it Napster? After waiting for that to load, and then searching you find it. Finally Motörhead is coming through the speakers.

    The problem above is caused by a few things. First, you can't buy every type of music in any one store. Some albums, usually soundtracks, don't have all the songs available on your favorite music store. The soundtrack for "A Bronx Tale" is a good example on iTunes. Last I checked, there was only two songs available for purchase because of licensing issues. (Which encouraged me to "steal" the song I wanted instead of buying it) The second problem is that different services offer different prices and have different promotions. What is 99 cents on iTunes may be 88 cents on Rhapsody. It may just make sense to get some songs from iTunes and some from Napster and some from Yahoo! and even some from Wal-Mart. Now, this is usually a good thing, competition and all. But it's making the industry too fragmented.

    If we are going to purchase music there needs to be a way to export/import to other DRM schemes. I'm all for online music stores but it seems that being locked into one choice isn't going to work for most people. These companies need to get together and work on one standard - or risk losing everyone to piracy again.

    Then again, you can just burn the music to a CD and then rip it to mp3 (or ogg et. al.). But that is what got everyone in this mess in the first place, isn't it?

    1. Re:Unique Players & DRM by wtlssndlssfthlss · · Score: 0

      You've got good taste in music :}

      --



      Karma: Terrible
  24. Insightful?? No, just illegal. by Raffaello · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I want mp3's, I rip them from my own CD's and trade with friends (since we paid for the CD, we can make copies and give them out for free to anyone we want, regardless of what the RIAA says).

    No, really, you can't - not legally. You are allowed to format shift (for example, you may rip mp3s from the CD so you can listen to this music on your mp3 player). You are not allowed to make unlimited copies and redistribute them. This is precisely what is prohibited by copyright law.

    Yahoo plans to beef up its IM service with more-interactive music features that enable people to listen to one another's playlists, according to sources familiar with the initiative.

    So how is this different than if I share my songs?


    Because Yahoo has made a deal with music publishers who own the rights to these songs to allow them to do what they are doing. You, on the other hand, have made no such deal with music publishers. You are simply violating copyright law by making unauthorized copies of music, the reproduction rights of which you do not own, and giving these unauthorized copies away to friends.

    1. Re:Insightful?? No, just illegal. by ImaLamer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think what you are trying to say is that Yahoo has made a deal with the RIAA for (re)distribution rights.

      It's not copyright that we are talking about, it's distribution. Copyright tells me that I can't take your song, in it's exact form, in any part, and use it commercially. When it comes to giving it away, you are violating the (almost) exclusive distribution rights given to certain parties.

      You can't just start selling music and sending checks to the RIAA. I belive a few P2P networks tried this (Kazaa?). You must first get the rights to distribute the music.

      A lawyer told me once that albums shouldn't say "Unauthorized copying is a violation of copyright laws" because it really isn't. Copying is fine, it's the distribution that gets one in trouble. That is why, until recently, CD's had warnings that included the name of the authorized distributor. This is also why it is so hard for the RIAA to go after decentralized P2P services; no one is making money and no one groupd is responsible for sharing the music.

      I could be wrong, I usually am at 8:30 AM.

    2. Re:Insightful?? No, just illegal. by Dusabre · · Score: 1

      If I want mp3's, I rip them from my own CD's and trade with friends (since we paid for the CD, we can make copies and give them out for free to anyone we want, regardless of what the RIAA says).

      No, really, you can't - not legally. You are allowed to format shift (for example, you may rip mp3s from the CD so you can listen to this music on your mp3 player). You are not allowed to make unlimited copies and redistribute them. This is precisely what is prohibited by copyright law.

      Heard of fair use? Do you know what the definition of fair use is? No... because there isn't a clear cut binding one. Show me a case where somebody has gone to prison or been succesfully sued for copying a cd for a friend. A real friend. You're repeating the RIAA line.

    3. Re:Insightful?? No, just illegal. by Mant · · Score: 1

      It's not copyright that we are talking about, it's distribution. Copyright tells me that I can't take your song, in it's exact form, in any part, and use it commercially.

      (Standard IANAL disclaimer) Copyright tells you that you cannot make copies of copyrighted work, for commercial use or otherwise. In many countries (including the US), fair use lets you format shift and make backups.

      "Unauthorized copying is a violation of copyright laws" because it really isn't. Copying is fine, it's the distribution that gets one in trouble.

      It really is, however in the US only the copyright holder, or someone they authorise, can make copies that don't fall under fair use. The practical upshot is that if you don't ditribute, and that includes giving it away, putting on websites or p2p etc. then you won't be breaking copyright.

      Distributers don't normally make the copies themselves, they buy copies from the manufacuters (who they usually have deals with) and resell them either directly to customers, or to shops. Distributers aren't normally making copies, so their selling isn't normally about copyright. Anyone who has bought a (legal) copy can sell it (right of first sale). An exclusive distribution agreement is just a contract that one company will only let one other distribute it's product, it doesn't effect legal resales by others.

      Online sellers are a bit different, they are making the copy right there and then. You can't buy electronic tracks wholesale and resell them, instead you buy the right to sell them from the copyright holder.

      Of course it often gets more complex, right are sometimes sold or given away in part, and different countries have different rules about compsenting song writers that are usually seperate from copyright.

  25. Just part of the M$ blitz, folks by QuatermassX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These individual "music download" announcements coming out of the UK (OD2, Virgin, etc) - and the US (MS, Yahoo, Real, everyone else) are part of a larger campaign by Microsoft to smother Apple. Will any one of these services really knock Apple out of the top spot? Noooooo. Is MS looking long-term at control of the underlying technology? HELL YES. I'm sure MS is doing their utmost to make sure these crappy services proliferate and thrive and kill each other off. Only at the end will MS consume the strongest service using it's technology. It's all about control of the standards and not any individual music store. Apple needs to find a way to open their DRM Fairplay scheme up slowly (and with maximum effect) to counter this blitz of crap that's coming to market.

    1. Re:Just part of the M$ blitz, folks by jasonmicron · · Score: 1

      It's going to be ok man. Have a smoothie and think about happy things.

      We can sit here and play conspiracy theory all day but where will we really get?

  26. In other news... by sgant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot plans it's own music download service.

    Gentoo plans it's own music download service.

    The producers of "That 70's Show" plans it's own music download service.

    Rheem - makers of fine water heaters and air conditioners, plans it's own music download service.

    My cousin, brother, both sisters, guy down the street, Old Man Jenkins at the haunted amusement park....all are planning their own music download service.

    --

    "Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
    1. Re:In other news... by Axem · · Score: 3, Funny

      Slashtunes - Where the music has karma

      Gentunes - Download only the bytes you want

      The 70's Music - Enough Disco for 3 life times

      Rheemusic - All the hottest and coolest music thats fit to air

      --
      We all live in a #FFFF00 submarine...
    2. Re:In other news... by A+Drake+Man · · Score: 1

      And all thanks to http://www.loudeye.com/, the music service BEHIND the music service. :)

    3. Re:In other news... by justforaday · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gentoo plans it's own music download service.

      The only problem with this is that you notify the server what song you want played by what instruments, then the song is specially recorded and engineered to your specifications. Only after this goes on for a week or so can you actually download the tune to listen to it.

      --
      I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
    4. Re:In other news... by glenstar · · Score: 1
      You must not have ever gotten a quote from Loudeye on what they want to be the backend for a music service...

      Loudeye fills some definite needs within the industry, but being a fulfillment partner for a company with a non multi-million dollar budget is not one of them.

    5. Re:In other news... by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty cool idea. Let people open up their own iTunes Music Stores on their Web sites, like Amazon and B&N does.

      --
      It's not a lie. It's the truth with lossy compression.
    6. Re:In other news... by A+Drake+Man · · Score: 1

      C'mon, just the idea of Slashdot, Gentoo, the producers of "That 70's Show", Rheem, his cousin, brother, both sisters, guy down the street AND Old Man Jenkins starting a music store was ludicrous to begin with! Just because you've got a soft spot for Loudeye doesn't mean that they don't offer a service the good folks above could take advantage of, for a price :) LoudEye, give us some money, we'll give you an online music store!

  27. Torrent Me home.... by cermanius · · Score: 1

    Who'd want to pay for a subscription when there's bit-torrent out there?

    Besides, call me archaic, but I'm still stuck on CD's and what not. MP3's and OGGs are good for previewing an artist, but if I really like their stuff, I'm off to the store to grab me a CD. Which I then promptly make a backup in MP3 or OGG form, but that's beside the point.

    --
    "Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff." -- by an Unknown Wise man.
  28. Now taking bets.... by jwcorder · · Score: 0, Redundant
    I am now taking bets on how long this lasts....

    We need another music company startup like we need to invade another country.

    Now offering a gmail invite for anyone who completes an offer at freeipods.com by clicking my refering link.

    --
    http://jayceecorder.blogspot.com
  29. File Types by SammysIsland · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great... just what i need... another program fighting to have the file type mp3 associated with it.

    jeez, just leave poor winamp alone!

    1. Re:File Types by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because WinAmp is so nice about sharing mimetypes.

  30. Aggregators by pr0nbot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In all probability there will be an explosion of music download services, followed by consolidation into one or two dominant players. I don't think price differentiation will play a big role in the long term. What will probably make the most difference -- and allow multiple services to exist -- is labels exclusively licensing their tracks to one service or another. Seen another way, this means the most likely service providers in the long run are the (major) labels themselves, because the cost of running a music download site is low (primarily a marketing cost). Indies will probably prefer to continue to license their tracks to third-party stores, although I'd like to see them set up co-operatives.

    We might see aggregators, sites that allow you to transparently purchase from multiple stores. However, this doesn't seem to be very prevalent in other "obvious" areas, e.g. search engines that submit your query to google, jeeves etc and then present a single result? They may exist, but they're not popular.

  31. Because. It's the cool thing to do. by superultra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why?

    Portal. IM. Searching. Now, music. They're just jumping on the bandwagon, albeit 2 years too late. They had a good idea once, and they let that walk away from them. Or, in more official terms, they IPOed.

    Hmm, so let's see, who else has just recently IPOed...Ah yes, Google! webmail, browser....Hmm.

  32. Yeah, so what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You have NO LEGAL RIGHT to copy those copyrighted CD's unless they say you can."

    And I have NO LEGAL RIGHT to go 60 MPH in a 55 MPH zone. And I have NO LEGAL RIGHT to use sparklers on the 4th of July.

    When laws are silly, you ignore them. If I have CD and my buddy or sibling wants a copy, I just copy it. I don't debate the legality of it, I just do it.

    If I really thought about the morality of it, I might think, gee, I make $35K a year and a CD costs $17. A record company exec makes 3 orders of magnitude more, rips off the artists and complains customers are ripping him off.

    Sorry, no contest there.

    I don't share my songs on the internet, but I'll be damned if I'm an asshole to my friends just to satisfy the record companies.

    1. Re:Yeah, so what by EspressoMachine · · Score: 1

      Ignoring "silly" laws does not make you immune to the consequences of breaking those laws. You may think speeding is silly, but you'll still have to pay the fine and the court costs if you get caught doing it.

      --
      Despite conventional wisdom, I've discovered you can blame a guy for trying. It's called "attempted murder".
  33. Re:That's one by turnstyle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "But who listens to music tethered to their computer? Its so geeky that guys with taped glasses are laughing."

    Sure I'm a geek -- but I don't tape my glasses anymore, now they're metal.

    In any case, I sit working at my computer all day, and I can play whatever I want, whenever I want, from wherever I have high-speed access (including wi-fi).

    At home, I keep an old PC wired to my stereo, and remote-desktop it so I can control my stereo via my wi-fi laptop.

    Geeky, sure. Apologies for that? No way.

    --
    Here's what I do: Bitty Browser & Andromeda
  34. Old Man Jenkins by sczimme · · Score: 4, Funny


    My cousin, brother, both sisters, guy down the street, Old Man Jenkins at the haunted amusement park....all are planning their own music download service.

    I think Old Man Jenkins had the best plan. He would have succeeded, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

    --
    I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
    1. Re:Old Man Jenkins by LetterJ · · Score: 1

      I've used O.M. Jenkins as a pen name, company name (O.M. Jenkins, LLC) and server name at omjenkins.com for quite a while. Almost no one gets the joke.

  35. The other guy is right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares about this kind of stuff. What kind or person refuses to give a copy to friends just to satisfy some weird sense of cosmic justice. Especially when it seem to primarily benefit rich companies and record company execs.

    There is nothing wrong with making a copy of a CD and giving it to a friend.

    There is nothing wrong with making a copy of a TV show to give to a friend.

    If you think otherwise, then I'd have to question your entire sense of right and wrong.

    1. Re:The other guy is right... by sgant · · Score: 1

      There is nothing wrong with making a copy of a CD and giving it to a friend.

      There is nothing wrong with making a copy of a TV show to give to a friend.

      If you think otherwise, then I'd have to question your entire sense of right and wrong.


      Morally wrong to make a copy for a friend. No, I don't think it's morally wrong. Legally wrong is another matter though.

      It's a question of numbers I suspect. If you buy a CD and make a copy for like 3 or 4 friends, no...I don't see the police knocking down your door.

      Now, making 10,000 copies and giving them away to 10,000 friends...they may have something to say about that. I could be wrong.

      --

      "Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
    2. Re:The other guy is right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Now, making 10,000 copies and giving them away to 10,000 friends...they may have something to say about that. I could be wrong"

      But its silly point. Nobody has 10,000 friends, and nobody is talking about giving away 10,000 copies.

      I'm talking about my small circle of friends... 3 or 4. I make a copy of my CD for each. There is nothing wrong with this at any level, either morally or legally.

    3. Re:The other guy is right... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      I think the place where you draw the line is making 10,000 copies and selling them on the streets for 5 bucks a piece. Clearly, that is moraly and legaly wrong. Giving a copy to a friend or friend, who may have not have wanted to purchase the album in the first place, is not wrong. You can't penalize people for something they DIDNT do - thats just crazy. I have 100s of tapes that I made from friends and off the radio in the 70s and 80s. Did I "steal" from the record companies? I don't think so. Unless this is Minority Report, there is no way for them to draw a clear line between my actions and their profits. And even if there was, so what? It is not responsible for me to keep record companies in business. If they offer a product that I wish to purchase, then I will. It's just capitalism at work.

  36. Stinks of Market Speak by Paulrothrock · · Score: 2, Funny
    Overheard in Yahoo's most recent marketing meeting:
    "We need to synergize our core competencies so we should leverage our intellectual property to provide best-of-breed services for this on demand e-economy."

    "Really Jim? What the hell does that mean?"

    "Download services are hothothot. We should start one."

    --
    I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
    1. Re:Stinks of Market Speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Or, more accurately: "We are already good at shafting Joe Punter by exploiting unfair copyright laws. We want to do more, using the Web."

      "Best of breed" confuses me though. I think it has something to to with Crufts.

  37. Why? by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    I thought no-one could actually make money out of a service like this because of the crippling fees the record companies charge. Even Apple, with a priceless brand and, of course, the iPod.

    --
    When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
  38. Might as well go to the basement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "At home, I keep an old PC wired to my stereo"

    Oh my. That's so. So. Uh. Special.

  39. Re:Stop Free* Spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    considering that links on /. are suffixed with the name of the linked domain, have you fallen for that even once?

    Fool me one time, shame on you, fool me two times or more, shame on me....

  40. So is grooming your dog on Sundays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "No, really, you can't - not legally."

    Just because they pass stupid laws doesn't mean you have to follow them.

    If my wife wants a copy of a CD to listen to in her car, I don't say "Honey, so sorry, that would violate federal copyright regulation and put a record company exec out of work".

    Think about what you're saying...they sold me the CD. I'm not going to put it on the internet, but I have no moral problem making a copy for a friend, and I certainly am not worried about any legal ramification.

    Seems like you're way too hung up with a weird sense of righteousness. The way my kids correct me when I pronounce a word wrong. Its silly, and you need laught at yourself more.

  41. Have these idiots learned NOTHING? by dpilot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember the days of...
    CompuServe
    AOL
    GEnie
    Prodigy
    The Source

    They all wanted to *own* the home computer connection market. Together they balkanized it so that it never reached critical mass. Only ONE thing changed this, SMTP and the 'Internet bridge.' I used to be on CompuServe, and remember when we could begin routing email out over the Internet bridge. The other (surviving) providers followed suit, and suddenly anyone could email anyone, and home computer connectivity had its first Killer App.

    The Web followed that, and though Microsoft has tried mightily, they haven't quite managed to 0wn it, and it looks like that chance might well be gone. (If only because cellphones are now on steroids, viewing the web.)

    Then, in spite of a set of open protocols describing IRC, we began seeing Instant Message Balkanization. AIM, Yahoo, MSN, etc, etc, and of course none of them talk to each other. (Fortunately, GAIM talks to them all.) The idiots didn't learn!

    Now we're hearing about a bunch of deliberately incompatible music download protocols emerging. For that matter, we've had a bunch of deliberately incompatible filesharing protocols, already. STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!

    At about this point, I'm sick and tired of people telling me how stupid government is, and how the private sector can always do better. The Internet is the best counter-example. A government project put in place a series of non-owned, open protocols and standards, people came, and for the most part, it just works. Business, in its own-the-whole-pie mindset, denies critical mass to Instant Messaging and online music distribution. If the idiots could cooperate, they could all share a HUGE pie, each would have a bigger chunk of that pie than the whole pies they now have, and customers would be MUCH better off.

    That said, I won't argue that government isn't stupid, just that they have no monopoly on stupidity. Sometimes, and the Internet is the poster child for this, government can do things right and business can do things wrong.

    --
    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  42. Re:That's one by pocopoco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well first, being "tethered to your computer" isn't so bad since anyone capable of setting up a stereo system is also capable of hooking their computer up to it and thus listening anywhere in their home. I noticed a music player on my sister's computer the other day and she can barely use the thing (I have to setup her email whenever she moves). It's probably a lot like an advanced stereo itself to her. Despite the recent popularity of hard drive based MP3 players the vast majority of people still don't have them and keep all their music at home, only taking some of it with them on the go (which you can also do for select songs via Real's service if you buy the song for burning).

    Second, one of the things Real advertises is that you can use your account from any networked computer be it home, at work (lol, well I suppose some bosses might let you), or say a wireless laptop on a college campus. I also saw something about Rhapsody over mobile phones w/ headphones. If that performs well then the Rhapsody person not only has access to more music than someone with an MP3 player, he only needs his phone to do it and not a separate player.

    I imagine there are still things to work out like battery life of a cell phone playing music for hours, but it's certainly not as limited as you say. The Real guy we had for an interview mentioned some good numbers for Rhapsody subscribers so it is getting people. Personally, though, I just use a flash player with some of my own CDs ripped and think you 'battery sucking, hard drive hauling, need access to a billion songs either by buying/stealing/subscribing people' are insane. ;p ^^

  43. How do you know this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " but I'm well aware that legally this is not allowed"

    How are you well aware of this? Because the RIAA told you so? The MPAA will tell you that copying a movie from the TV with your VCR is not legal.

    But that doesn't make that a true statement.

    Copying a CD and giving it to a friend, AFAIK, is legal, because I'm not distributing, and I'm not profiting from the copying.

    You may not like it, you may wish that there were laws that stop me from listening to music unless I put a $1 in the RIAA kitty, but until then, there is no prohibition against copying CD's to give to friends. Stop inventing rules and laws that don't exist.

  44. There's a sonic feast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Then again, you can just burn the music to a CD and then rip it to mp3"

    Yeah great. take 128kb/s music (which is poor sounding to start), and then recompress it with another lossy compressor, and then result is a sonic treat that is as special as listening to AM radio in a thunderstorm.

    I don't think I want to listen to music that bad.

  45. Ahem...small correction by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1, Funny
    The Internet is the best counter-example. A government project put in place a series of non-owned, open protocols and standards, pr0n sites appeared , people came, and for the most part, it just works

    --
    When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
    1. Re:Ahem...small correction by dpilot · · Score: 1

      But we have to ask one question, given that pr0n IS the most successful business on the Internet...

      Do pr0n sites use common, free, and accepted protocols, or do they each try and do it their own way, to the exclusion of others? AFAIK, and that isn't very far, they all use http, https, relatively vanilla html, jpg, and the like.

      I think you've helped make my case.

      --
      The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  46. Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
  47. Apple used to allow song sharing by acomj · · Score: 1

    You used to be able to share songs with anyone on the internet using the itunes software.

    Apple put a stop to it, probably because of the "this is no different than p2p", and it took about 2 days before it became listen and copy others music.

    Its hard to sell RIAA music when they don't like what your doing.

  48. Jumping on the bandwagon (which will crash) by Theovon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everybody and his brother is making an MP3 player and music download service. Before long, we'll have 300 of them. After a while, the market will be so over-saturated that most of them will go out of business. Hopefully in the end, we'll have more than just 1 or 2 services left.

  49. A different way to look at this by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I for one am a total convert to the rental approach to furniture. I don't even know how to write about it without coming across like spam -- having instant access to over 40,000 couches, dining tables, chairs, and beds for much less every month than if I were to buy the furniture outright utterly changed the way I enjoy furniture.

    Oh wait. I have to keep paying forever? Or else they take my furniture away? Oh.

    Now to get back to your point, you do have a good one. The rental model is good for some people under some circumstances. It works for you? Great. But some people prefer the idea of pay once, own it forever. Those tracks you enjoy now, will you want to listen to them twenty years from now? Some of 'em, yeah. Will your rental service still be around twenty years from now? Doubtful. Bye bye tracks.

  50. Offtopic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, more offtopic than the spamming shitstains that clog up every goddamn discussion with their free Ipod, flatscreen and fucking Gmail invites?

    Free punch in the face and immediate sterilisation!!! Contact me for details!

  51. Corollary to the Law of Software Envelopment by djw · · Score: 1

    Every organization attempts to expand until it has an online music service. Those organizations which cannot so expand are members of the RIAA.

  52. Re:ALL live Grateful Dead recording on itunes by realmolo · · Score: 1

    Awesome!

    Oh, wait. The Grateful Dead suck. REALLY fucking suck. And by extension, so do you.

  53. Well Yahoo, NO by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know what they did with launch.com. They killed realplayer support first while I was using windows and Opera and gave only choice: "windows media player" which especially I HATE the sound quality.

    Now they do lame tricks on their video services to make everyone use Internet Explorer while every browser now (including safari) supports liveconnect extensions.

    So, Yahoo as I admire you are FBSD based, you have been asshole to alternative OS/Player users.

    No wonder the "thing" they will offer will be DRM'ed WMA, not interested.

  54. Apple is making dough of NOT a computer. by crovira · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs figured that the best computer was invisible (look at the iMac G5, look at the iPod) while being very visible as it own thing.

    Think of everything they've done to push the envellope. Everything used to be sexy hardware. And damn good hardware at that. (SCSI, USB, FireWire, WiFi, BlueTooth, MC680x0->PPC601 without a hitch.) But they also made damn good software too. (OS 1..6, 7..9 & OS X)

    There has always been a synergy between hardware and software. But I think that this will become more pervasive while being less distinguishable.

    Look for Apple to start doing things with the larger Studio Displays to eliminate the computer.

    Wall mountable intelligence, complete with BlueTooth and WiFi while 'disappearing' the CPU. Its the death of the 'box' in 'home' situations. (It won't disappear from the product grid because that's where non-home apps live.)

    Your 'wired home' will have peripherals scatered through out the house, and RendezVous will keep track of them all.

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    1. Re:Apple is making dough of NOT a computer. by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs vision of a wired house compared to Billy Gates???

      Steve's house, everything connected with either hidden wires, or wirelessly. Your computers are nothing more than screens that you an acess anywhere. Computers are used to make life easy, with everything just working.

      Billy's house, the house tracks and watches over you. Big bulky boxes, tiny screens. everything connected with either hidden wires or wirelessly, but there will still be plenty of cords. You can watch a tv show while you download the latest patches, but don't forget to reset your house once a month or your stove might blow up.

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  55. Proprietary file format? by jasonmicron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So does this mean that to play .YHO or whatever files I'll need to add yet ANOTHER player to my machine to only support that one format?

    I hope it's not true. I already have Quicktime for .MOV and Realplayer for .RM & .RA.

    All of these media companies need to release the source for their proprietary sub-standard audio codecs.

    1. Re:Proprietary file format? by pod · · Score: 1

      It'll probably just be WMA wrapped in Yahoo's own DRM scheme.

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    2. Re:Proprietary file format? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try media player classic http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group _id=82303&package_id=84358

  56. Private sector is working fine. by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    You are seeing how the process is supposed to work. Each person/company offering up their view of how to solve the problem. The consumers are offered a great selection of ways to do things, what more can you ask?

    Sure their incompatible, thats the point. Just because someone was first, or is the biggest, or is based on open source, doesn't mean their methods are the best and should not be challenged.

    Just like products on storeshelves, many appear, some make us scratch our heads, and a few stick around. This is how the market works.

    The only stupidity would be mandating the standards in an immature market. If it does not have time to grow and make mistakes we all get an inferior product.

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    1. Re:Private sector is working fine. by dpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the free market can be a useful tool, but I don't worship it. IMHO, the current situation is a 'deep local minima,' meaning that without a big shakeup, it's just not going to get appreciably better. I don't expect these guys to wake up one day and say, "Gee, if we'd just sit down together and hammer out a good common standard, the market growth would be explosive, and everybody would be better off." Early online service providers were in a similar local minima, except that cheap, easy email bridging, and later web bridging pointed the escape path to become Internet service providers.

      In our wonderful nation of extremes, seem to want to pigeonhole too many things into the extremes. So you contrast slugging it out in the market with out-of-touch committees coming up with X.500 and the OSI 7-layer taco. The Internet is somewhere in the middle, with drafts evolving based on practical experience, by people who have learned that sometimes working together... works.

      Slightly different note... Sometimes 'good enough' is the enemy of better or best. But I think what is really happening with the market competition of Instant Messaging and music downloads has nothing at all to do with quality, and everything to do with lockin.

      That's the other side of the gripe about American business. It seems to me that they're afraid to compete, so they want to FORCE people to be customers.

      At the end of the day, I AM THE CUSTOMER. I don't like how they're doing business, I think it's short-sighted. Furthermore, if SOMEBODY will do business in what I consider to be an enlightened fashion, at a resonable (not necessarily the lowest) price, I'll take my business there. So far the market is disappointing me.

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  57. My only question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the heck happened? For years we have been bitching about no online music stores, and the current music overlords where threatening anyone who even thought about an online music store. Now all of a sudden everyone and their real doll are hosting music download services. What happened? Did MS pay off the RIAA? Did some court case get lost? Why now? why all of a sudden?

  58. Ah subscriptions by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gotta love having to pay forever to get something.. and never own anything..

    The ultimate dream of big business.. perpetual income.

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  59. It isn't a conspriacy per se ... by QuatermassX · · Score: 1

    ... just a concerted effort to flood the market with a particular base technology. Tis happened before, will happen again. MS really doesn't care about dilution of the WMA brand when used by sub-standard services, they just want it EVERYWHERE. This way, the various vendors do M$'s dirty, anticompetitive work for them! Hosts for the WMA virus. Blech.

  60. ANSWER by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    Yahoo! is playing RIAA's game. They want to own the distribution channels, that's where the control is. Every utility company that sells electricity/natural gas, telecommunications, and TV entertainment knows this.

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  61. Re:Because. It's the cool thing to do. by PriceIke · · Score: 1

    At first I thought you said, they got iPwned.

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  62. Lemming Run by BlakeLupa · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's strange how large companies can act like small lemmings. Is that a cliff or a large pile of money? Well Steve Job is running towards we'd better run towards it too.

    1. Re:Lemming Run by a24061 · · Score: 1

      The bigger the lemming, the harder for it to slow down or turn!

  63. A different different way to look at this by Heisenbug · · Score: 1

    How about: "there are 10 pieces of furniture in my house. They satisfy my entire need for furniture for the next couple of years."

    "There are 10 CDs in my house. They satisfy my entire need for music for the next couple of years."

    See the difference? Unlike furniture, most CDs are valuable to me only for a short amount of time, then I want a new one. Typically I want access to about 100 at a time, so I can find the one I'm in the mood for. Which 100 that is changes semi-frequently.

    The amount I'll pay to Rhapsody this year is about the cost of 8 CDs. The amount I'll pay over ten years is the cost of 80 CDs. Can I satisfy my entire music needs for the next 10 years with 80 CDs? Absolutely not. Either I'll have to put lots of time into stealing music, I'll listen to music that is less than satisfying, or I'll have to pay lots of money for it.

    You know what? Once you factor in the cost of my time, every single alternative costs more than paying for Rhapsody for the next ten years, and then when they go out of business, buying the 80 CDs I actually want to own.

    And here's the thing -- everyone I know likes listening to music the same way I do. I suspect that even you wouldn't be happy with 8 CDs this year, or 80 CDs over the next ten years.

    So, do the math -- you might catch on to something pretty great. I'll catch you in a few years. :)

    1. Re:A different different way to look at this by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
      No, if you catch me in a few years I'll say the same thing, but I can see for your purposes Rhapsody is the right idea, and that's cool. See, for me I'm not so interested in sampling all of the current songs. I'm into collecting certain albums from all genres and all times of my life...and then listening to them over and over again. I occasionally get a new album, but it's not my primary use.

      It sounds as if you, on the other hand, do want to sample lots of stuff and not necessarily hang onto it for a long time. CDs are valuable to me for a lifetime, but for you only a couple of years. So our needs are different, and that's why it's good you have your choice and I have mine (iTunes). Keep renting, brother. I own mine and like it. :)

  64. Subscriptions work for Cable Companies by Steve+Hamlin · · Score: 1

    Gotta love having to pay forever to get something.. and never own anything.

    The ultimate dream of big business.. perpetual income.

    Well, it has seemed to work well for cable TV companies.

    You can go buy TV/video programming (DVD,VHS) of most of the shows you want to watch. Play them 'til your heart's content. Have a library of 200 shows. And watch nothing but those shows, until you buy new shows. Like buying music CDs

    Or, you can pay a monthly fee, and have access to 1000s of hours of new video content every day. However, unless you buy extra equipment, and have some patience for making the effort, all of those 1000's of hours of content are only available as long as you are "online", and when you stop paying the subscription fees, most of that content ceases to be available to you. Like paying a subscription to an online music service.

    Now, why won't people be willing to pay a reasonable reccuring price to have access to a huge library of ondemand content, instead of "owning" a much smaller amount of content ? Oh, that's right - Cable TV is doomed! No one will EVER subscribe - why when you can just buy DVDs of the shows?

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  65. Not only Linux issues w/ LaunchCast ...Re:I bet... by jackDuhRipper · · Score: 1
    It doesn't work on anything other than IE, with Flash AND WinMediaPlayer. It does not work on OS X even with IE.

    This is a shame, as I trust and admire Yahoo as a content provider: while I don't know if I'd subscribe to their service, I'd certainly check it out if it was available for me to do so.

    Even if their service turned out not to be for me, I can still apreciate the competition they offer (though, not if they don't compete for Mac users, BSD users, Linux users, etc.).

  66. Nazis would say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more iTunes for you!

  67. Music Match Purchase by pchan- · · Score: 1

    it is surprising, though heartening, to see that yahoo still plans to carry on with their own media player and store even after purchasing Music Match last week. it seemed that the purchase would have made their own software efforts redundant, and they would be scrapped. yahoo has really been one of the "do no evil" companies (well, mostly. there were a few hiccups), and they tend to do a good job of integrating all the basic services. a player by yahoo may jumpstart start the stagnating media player field. we can only hope to see ogg and flac support.

    ian and dave, i'm looking forward to the release.

  68. Re:Because. It's the cool thing to do. by superultra · · Score: 1

    At first I thought you said, they got iPwned.

    Damn. That would've made my post a helluva lot funnier. Sigh.

  69. Blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're just a silly bore. Give it up. You're on the wrong side of common sense. I can only hope you lose your "job".